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Official Bishop Sankey - Best RB in the 2014 Draft (1 Viewer)

Sankey is this year's Doug Martin.

Mark it down.
only lasts 6 games?
Rookie year, Larry, rookie year!
So hes the #2 RB in fantasy? bold, very bold.

His ceiling for me looks more like Bernard last year, but hey I could be wrong.
Not quite Martin's numbers but he should get more touches than Gio last year. I view him him as an every down back who will be spelled on 3rd downs by McCluster. I'm not convinced that he'll be pulled at the goalline.

 
Sankey ain't coming out at the stripe. He scored 37 TDs in his last 26 college games....

Why would you remove your best goalline runner??

 
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• Whisenhunt praised rookie running back Bishop Sankey yesterday for showing some flash. He fumbled once Tuesday, but recovered nicely with some quick cuts for big gains – also showing his willingness to lower his shoulder and create contact. Whisenhunt reaffirmed Tuesday that they drafted him because he is a good match with their offensive system.

 
Greene appears to have suffered a setback in his recovery from a knee injury and will not practice Tuesday, Jim Wyatt of The Tennessean reports.

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After assuming a large workload Monday, Greene was prepared to do the same again Tuesday, but ended up departing the practice early. He later returned from the locker room to work out on his own on the side practice field, but it could still be a few more days before the Titans clear him to rejoin team sessions. Greene's absence from practice will clear the way for rookie Bishop Sankey to pick up added reps, which should only help him in his bid for the starting running back job.

 
When Opportunity Knocked, Bishop Sankey Answered

NASHVILLE, Tenn. – It takes the right balance of patience, persistence and luck in order to earn an opportunity. Not everybody gets their big break, and few are prepared enough to take advantage when it comes around.

Just two years ago, Bishop Sankey got his chance – one that began the rookie tailback’s meteoric rise from second string that year to the second round of the 2014 NFL Draft.

Once a four-star recruit out of Gonzaga Prep High School in Spokane, Wash., Sankey decided to keep rooted in the northwest and signed to play football at the University of Washington.

“I’d formed a good relationship with the running backs coach there, Joel Thomas,” Sankey said going through his decision. “Also having my family in the state of Washington, I felt like it was close enough to home, but not too close. I wanted them to be able come to watch me play on Saturdays.”

Sankey had a modest freshman year from the bottom of the running back pecking order. In 2011, Sankey carried the ball 28 times for 187 yards and one touchdown. Although he displayed a 6.7 yards-per-carry average, there simply weren’t many touches to be had behind star running back Chris Polk.

“I learned a lot from Chris Polk about what it took to be a college running back and be a great running back at a high level,” said Sankey. “He was kind of like a big brother to me.”

Polk finished his senior season with the second best rushing total in Washington history and earned first-team All-Pac-12 honors. With Polk graduating, Husky fans worried about how the team was going to replace one of the greatest backs in school annals.

In 2012, the University of Washington transitioned to life after Chris Polk as well as life in a temporary home. With a complete remodel to Husky Stadium underway, the team moved across Lake Union to play its season at the home of the Seattle Seahawks – Century Link Field. Sankey expected a bigger role in his sophomore season, but still sat second on the depth chart behind junior back Jesse Callier.

“I just wanted to make the most of my opportunities,” Sankey said. “I wasn’t sure how many times I was going to touch the ball every game. Each practice it was just my mindset to compete and try to make an impression each and every day to better my chances of getting on the field.”

However, it didn’t take even a full quarter of football before Sankey found his name on top of the depth chart. Callier suffered a torn ACL in Washington’s season opener against San Diego State, ending his 2012 season.

“I didn’t really know what happened. I still remember he caught the ball on a flat route, turned up field and all of a sudden he just fell,” Sankey reminisced.

Suddenly all eyes were on Sankey, a relative unknown to everyone, including his head coach Steve Sarkisian.

“Obviously, we’re going to find out more about Bishop Sankey in a hurry,” said Sarkisian the following week.

Washington came out of that game with a 21-12 win, but Sankey’s line of 22 carries for 66 yards and a touchdown didn’t necessarily win the hearts or calm the nerves of the Husky faithful.

“It all happened so fast,” Sankey said. “I was just thrown in the fire. Those first three weeks were definitely an adjustment. It was up to me to take it upon myself to produce for the team.”

And produce he did – quickly changing everyone’s tune. Sankey went from unfamiliar to unstoppable seemingly overnight. By season’s end, Sankey had racked up 1,439 rushing yards (third-most all-time UW history) and 16 touchdowns. Those 16 scores were four more than Polk posted in 2012.

The MAACO Bowl Las Vegas served as another stage for Sankey to shine. The sophomore back set a bowl record with 205 rushing yards and was named the game’s MVP – an impressive feat, but Bishop was just getting started.

Sankey’s junior season wasn’t merely an encore, but rather the main event.

“I felt like I had way more confidence going into my junior year. The great thing about it is that there were still so many other running backs pushing me and competing against me,” he said. “I took it upon myself to not get too comfortable and still get better. I felt like a more mature and better player overall.”

The newest Pacific Northwest Superstar rolled out arguably the finest campaign of any running back in University of Washington history. Sankey logged 1,870 rushing yards, shattering Corey Dillon’s school record of 1,695 yards set back in 1996. His 20 rushing touchdowns gave him 37 for his career, another school record. Sankey also rushed for 200 yards in a game on four different occasions throughout his Washington career – again, a school record.

With first-team All-Pac-12 and second team All-American honors under his belt, Sankey decided to his forgo his senior season and set his sights on the NFL.

“With some of the things I was able to accomplish my junior year, I just felt like I was ready to take my chances at the next level,” said Sankey. “I talked to my parents and they were supportive of it. I felt like I was ready.”

During pre-draft workouts, Sankey’s stock continued to soar. NFL expert Mike Mayock held a conference call for media members around the nation and explained that Sankey was a player he was most excited to watch in the combine.

“He’s a great combination of make-you-miss and north-south production,” Mayock said. “He’s tough, but he can make you miss in the open field. [He’s got] really good balance, quickness and instincts".

Sankey didn’t disappoint, finishing as the top running back in both the 20-yard shuttle (4.00 seconds) and the three cone drill (6.75 seconds), second in bench press (26 reps), and fourth in the broad jump (126.0 inches). He continued to impress in the individual drills, showcasing his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. His elite vision, quickness, and acceleration convinced Mayock that Sankey was the number one running back in his draft class.

“I felt good about it. I knew if I hit the mark I wanted on the 40 [yard dash] which I did (4.49 seconds), I knew everything else would fall into place,” Sankey said. “I was real pleased coming out of the combine and happy that all the hard work paid off.”

Fast-forward to May 9th and the second day of the NFL Draft; the Titans were on the clock in the second-round at pick 54. After parting ways with Chris Johnson earlier in the offseason, it was no secret that the team could be in the market for a running back.

“They were the only team that flew me in for a visit so I definitely felt like it was a possibility,” said a smiling Sankey.

The Titans decided that Sankey was their guy, making him the first running back taken in the draft.

“Once I got the phone call I was just excited and relieved that I finally knew where I was going to go. It was really a great experience,” he said.

The Titans brass was just as pleased to have Sankey in a Titans uniform.

“What he brings to us is a great deal of versatility with his vision, feet, and ability to catch the football,” said Titans general manager Ruston Webster following the draft. “That’s what we were looking for.”

Upon arriving in Nashville, the journey started all over for Sankey just as it did at Washington. No longer is he the four-star recruit out of Gonzaga Prep, but a rookie on football’s grandest platform.

“It’s a little different because I feel more mature and definitely as a player I’m more mature and better than I used to be,” said Sankey before conceding that there are some feelings of déjà vu. “But being a rookie is similar to being a freshman in terms of picking up a new system, a new environment, new coaches and new teammates – but so far so good. I’m just trying to take it one day at a time.”

Sankey is joined in Tennessee by fellow Washington alum Jake Locker, who still watches as much Husky football as he can. Locker discussed how impressive Sankey was game in and game out.

“The one thing about him is that he was always there,” Locker said about Sankey. “He was always on the field getting 30 carries a game. It seemed like every week he was doing it running for 150 or 200 yards. It was impressive to watch, so I’m excited about the opportunity to hand the ball off to him.”

The two former Huskies, who were never on the same team at Washington, now share the same goal of getting the Titans back to the playoffs for the first time since 2008.

“It feels good just having that Husky legacy here,” said Sankey of his new quarterback. “I was watching him in high school before I even committed to Washington. I know what a great athlete and quarterback he is. I’m just excited to play with him and it’s cool because I know what he’s done for the University of Washington and what he continues to do for the Titans.”

Training camp is shifting into high gear and Sankey’s rookie season is finally upon him. The wait is over and the dream is realized. Now it’s time to set new goals and new benchmarks. Amidst all the competition that comes with the preseason, opportunity is bound to come knocking at Bishop’s door once again.

“This training camp is going to be filled with opportunity,” Sankey finished. “I want to show the coaches and my teammates that I can be relied on and accountable. I’ll do whatever it takes to help the team win.”

Nothing is deserved in the NFL – only earned. Sankey wouldn’t have it any other way.

 
Bishop Sankey should be a star running back: I doubt he'll be a starter on opening day, but not because he lacks talent. Sankey went to the University of Washington, a Pac-12 school that is on the quarter system. He missed most of the OTAs and is behind on his learning. Whisenhunt is smart enough not to rush things. Sankey offers everything for the Titans. He's a quick back with power who can bounce around and make defenders miss. He catches the ball well. Sankey knows how to block and protect the quarterback, a skill not all backs have entering the league. Titans fans became accustomed to the big runs by Chris Johnson through the years. Sankey may not make as many long downfield runs, but he should be a solid 1,100-plus-yard back for the next several years, particularly behind that offensive line.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp14/story/_/id/11311542/tennessee-titans-showing-toughness-camp

 
I have to say - It was not a wonderful debut...

He had one nice run and a very nice catch and run....

He had some tough sledding behind that 2nd string offensive line...

 
I'd like to see him do it against a no. 1 defense before I declare any booms. But he looked good with the opportunities he had even though it was against he Packers 2nd and 3rd stringers.

 
Pretty meh day for Sankey. One nice reception with a run after the catch. His lack of shiftiness and making people miss was evident as a runner IMO. The TD was just a bad play by the LB Jones getting over to cover, but a TD is a TD.

Shonn Greene and Mccluster looked decent in limited action. It'll be interesting to see if Sankey can play his way to starting during the preseason. If he does I still think he's off the field when it's 3rd down and goal line / short yardage situations, as long as Greene and Mccluster are healthy.

 
Shonn Greene and Mccluster looked decent in limited action. It'll be interesting to see if Sankey can play his way to starting during the preseason. If he does I still think he's off the field when it's 3rd down and goal line / short yardage situations, as long as Greene and Mccluster are healthy.
:goodposting:

As much as people want to hope, there isn't a whole lot of upside for 2014 as long as Greene/McCluster are healthy.

 
Shonn Greene and Mccluster looked decent in limited action. It'll be interesting to see if Sankey can play his way to starting during the preseason. If he does I still think he's off the field when it's 3rd down and goal line / short yardage situations, as long as Greene and Mccluster are healthy.
:goodposting: As much as people want to hope, there isn't a whole lot of upside for 2014 as long as Greene/McCluster are healthy.
Greene/McCluster - o yeah....

Right...

 
Shonn Greene and Mccluster looked decent in limited action. It'll be interesting to see if Sankey can play his way to starting during the preseason. If he does I still think he's off the field when it's 3rd down and goal line / short yardage situations, as long as Greene and Mccluster are healthy.
:goodposting: As much as people want to hope, there isn't a whole lot of upside for 2014 as long as Greene/McCluster are healthy.
Greene/McCluster - o yeah....

Right...
Seriously, since when are those two a threat to anyone?

 
Shonn Greene and Mccluster looked decent in limited action. It'll be interesting to see if Sankey can play his way to starting during the preseason. If he does I still think he's off the field when it's 3rd down and goal line / short yardage situations, as long as Greene and Mccluster are healthy.
:goodposting:

As much as people want to hope, there isn't a whole lot of upside for 2014 as long as Greene/McCluster are healthy.
:goodposting: :goodposting:

Greene @ goalline + inside work & McCluster on 3rds/passing downs.

No Thanks.

 
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Shonn Greene and Mccluster looked decent in limited action. It'll be interesting to see if Sankey can play his way to starting during the preseason. If he does I still think he's off the field when it's 3rd down and goal line / short yardage situations, as long as Greene and Mccluster are healthy.
:goodposting: As much as people want to hope, there isn't a whole lot of upside for 2014 as long as Greene/McCluster are healthy.
Greene/McCluster - o yeah....

Right...
Seriously, since when are those two a threat to anyone?
Greene has two 1000+ yard rushing seasons in the NFL, which is probably more than Sankey will have in his career.

Stankey will get chances because the team invested a lot in him. Given that his dynasty ADP is RB13, I'd be sell-sell-selling all day right now though.

There might be 15+ backs rated below him who I think are better talents.

 
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Shonn Greene and Mccluster looked decent in limited action. It'll be interesting to see if Sankey can play his way to starting during the preseason. If he does I still think he's off the field when it's 3rd down and goal line / short yardage situations, as long as Greene and Mccluster are healthy.
:goodposting: As much as people want to hope, there isn't a whole lot of upside for 2014 as long as Greene/McCluster are healthy.
Greene/McCluster - o yeah....

Right...
Seriously, since when are those two a threat to anyone?
Greene has two 1000+ yard rushing seasons in the NFL, which is probably more than Sankey will have in his career.

Stankey will get chances because the team invested a lot in him. Given that his dynasty ADP is RB13, I'd be sell-sell-selling all day right now though.

There might be 15+ backs rated below him who I think are better talents.
Jonathan Stewart and Trent Richardson?

 
Shonn Greene and Mccluster looked decent in limited action. It'll be interesting to see if Sankey can play his way to starting during the preseason. If he does I still think he's off the field when it's 3rd down and goal line / short yardage situations, as long as Greene and Mccluster are healthy.
:goodposting: As much as people want to hope, there isn't a whole lot of upside for 2014 as long as Greene/McCluster are healthy.
Greene/McCluster - o yeah....

Right...
Seriously, since when are those two a threat to anyone?
Greene has two 1000+ yard rushing seasons in the NFL, which is probably more than Sankey will have in his career.

Stankey will get chances because the team invested a lot in him. Given that his dynasty ADP is RB13, I'd be sell-sell-selling all day right now though.

There might be 15+ backs rated below him who I think are better talents.
Shonne Greene - YAY

He is GARBAGE!!

 
Shonn Greene and Mccluster looked decent in limited action. It'll be interesting to see if Sankey can play his way to starting during the preseason. If he does I still think he's off the field when it's 3rd down and goal line / short yardage situations, as long as Greene and Mccluster are healthy.
:goodposting: As much as people want to hope, there isn't a whole lot of upside for 2014 as long as Greene/McCluster are healthy.
Greene/McCluster - o yeah....

Right...
Seriously, since when are those two a threat to anyone?
Greene has two 1000+ yard rushing seasons in the NFL, which is probably more than Sankey will have in his career.

Stankey will get chances because the team invested a lot in him. Given that his dynasty ADP is RB13, I'd be sell-sell-selling all day right now though.

There might be 15+ backs rated below him who I think are better talents.
Jonathan Stewart and Trent Richardson?
Matt Forte???

Your opinion - is it even valued anymore???

 
EBF said:
Shonn Greene and Mccluster looked decent in limited action. It'll be interesting to see if Sankey can play his way to starting during the preseason. If he does I still think he's off the field when it's 3rd down and goal line / short yardage situations, as long as Greene and Mccluster are healthy.
:goodposting: As much as people want to hope, there isn't a whole lot of upside for 2014 as long as Greene/McCluster are healthy.
Greene/McCluster - o yeah....

Right...
Seriously, since when are those two a threat to anyone?
Greene has two 1000+ yard rushing seasons in the NFL, which is probably more than Sankey will have in his career.

Stankey will get chances because the team invested a lot in him. Given that his dynasty ADP is RB13, I'd be sell-sell-selling all day right now though.

There might be 15+ backs rated below him who I think are better talents.
- The average first round RB is 217 pounds with a 30.3 BMI, a 4.44 40, a 35.8" vertical, and a 10'2" broad jump.

Bishop Sankey - 209 pounds, 30.5 BMI, 4.49 40, 35.5" vertical, 10'6" broad jump
This is from your own post and I thought it was a great one.

Sankey misses that average 1st round RB by 8 lbs., .04 in the 40 and 0.3 inches in the vertical. His BMI is above average so even though he weighs less it is proportional to his height.

 
fruity pebbles said:
EBF said:
Shonn Greene and Mccluster looked decent in limited action. It'll be interesting to see if Sankey can play his way to starting during the preseason. If he does I still think he's off the field when it's 3rd down and goal line / short yardage situations, as long as Greene and Mccluster are healthy.
:goodposting: As much as people want to hope, there isn't a whole lot of upside for 2014 as long as Greene/McCluster are healthy.
Greene/McCluster - o yeah....

Right...
Seriously, since when are those two a threat to anyone?
Greene has two 1000+ yard rushing seasons in the NFL, which is probably more than Sankey will have in his career.

Stankey will get chances because the team invested a lot in him. Given that his dynasty ADP is RB13, I'd be sell-sell-selling all day right now though.

There might be 15+ backs rated below him who I think are better talents.
Jonathan Stewart and Trent Richardson?
:yes:

 
- The average first round RB is 217 pounds with a 30.3 BMI, a 4.44 40, a 35.8" vertical, and a 10'2" broad jump.

Bishop Sankey - 209 pounds, 30.5 BMI, 4.49 40, 35.5" vertical, 10'6" broad jump
This is from your own post and I thought it was a great one.

Sankey misses that average 1st round RB by 8 lbs., .04 in the 40 and 0.3 inches in the vertical. His BMI is above average so even though he weighs less it is proportional to his height.
There are lots of guys floating around with great workout numbers who aren't great running backs and vice versa. When I looked in depth at the numbers, I also found that among the 1st round guys it was best if the player had a clearly defined stylistic leaning. Meaning it was better to be either really small and really fast (like Spiller and Chris Johnson) or to be really big (215-220+ pounds). Sankey is neither here nor there. In a lot of ways he's reminiscent of guys like Donald Brown and Felix Jones. Not big enough to be a power back. Not fast enough to be a speed back. Caught in the dead zone. You could maybe point towards LeSean McCoy or Ray Rice as a cause for optimism, but subjectively I don't see a lot of similarities between those backs and Sankey. From my perspective he's closer to the likes of Donald Brown, Felix Jones, and Tashard Choice.

I did not especially like Sankey as a draft prospect and watching him out there in a few clips tonight, I was not terribly impressed. It's kind of funny how you can watch these guys for months in college without having a 100% concrete take on their prospects, and yet when you see them out there in the NFL there's almost an immediate "aha" or "ehhhh" reaction. Some guys like Andre Williams and Tre Mason just look like they belong. Others not so much. I don't really say it with any great joy, but if you can get market value (~RB15) for Sankey then I'd pounce all day. I don't see the upside to go a whole lot higher than that in the future and there's a very real possibility that his value will crumble if he doesn't flash good talent this year.

 
Donnybrook said:
EBF said:
Greene has two 1000+ yard rushing seasons in the NFL, which is probably more than Sankey will have in his career.
You might want to add this to the bold prediction thread.
The odds of him having a better career than Greene are actually pretty slim.

Here's a list of every RB drafted in the 2nd round from 2003-2012. Guys who have at least two 1000+ yard rushing season are in bold:

Isaiah Pead

LaMichael James

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Ryan Williams

Shane Vereen

Mikel LeShoure

Daniel Thomas

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Dexter McCluster

Toby Gerhart

Ben Tate

Montario Hardesty

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LeSean McCoy

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Matt Forte

Ray Rice

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Kenny Irons

Chris Henry

Brian Leonard

Brandon Jackson

-------------------------

LenDale White

Maurice Jones-Drew

-------------------------

JJ Arrington

Eric Shelton

-------------------------

Tatum Bell

Julius Jones

Greg Jones

That's only 4 out of 24, or 16.7%. There are a couple players here who still have a chance to do it (Tate and Gerhart), and the recent odds are almost certainly going to rise when we look back on the Lacy/Bell/Gio/Michael/Ball class in a few years. You could also probably toss out players like McCluster and Leonard who never really seemed to have much hope for becoming bell cow backs. Generally speaking though, any given 2nd round RB is a huge dog to have even a Greene caliber career. Probably no better than 25-30%. If you think Sankey is a Rice/MJD/Forte/McCoy level player then you shouldn't be too worried about the odds, but they don't paint a pretty picture and I'm not a huge believer in his talent aside from that. His RB13 dynasty ADP is actually pretty insane when you think about it. Last year's abnormally high hit rate on the 2nd round RBs (not a single one of them has cratered like Pead or LeShoure yet) might be skewing expectations for this new crop of rookie backs.

 
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Donnybrook said:
EBF said:
Greene has two 1000+ yard rushing seasons in the NFL, which is probably more than Sankey will have in his career.
You might want to add this to the bold prediction thread.
The odds of him having a better career than Greene are actually pretty slim.

Here's a list of every RB drafted in the 2nd round from 2003-2012. Guys who have at least two 1000+ yard rushing season are in bold:

Isaiah Pead

LaMichael James

-------------------------

Ryan Williams

Shane Vereen

Mikel LeShoure

Daniel Thomas

-------------------------

Dexter McCluster

Toby Gerhart

Ben Tate

Montario Hardesty

-------------------------

LeSean McCoy

-------------------------

Matt Forte

Ray Rice

-------------------------

Kenny Irons

Chris Henry

Brian Leonard

Brandon Jackson

-------------------------

LenDale White

Maurice Jones-Drew

-------------------------

JJ Arrington

Eric Shelton

-------------------------

Tatum Bell

Julius Jones

Greg Jones

That's only 4 out of 24, or 16.7%. There are a couple players here who still have a chance to do it (Tate and Gerhart), and the recent odds are almost certainly going to rise when we look back on the Lacy/Bell/Gio/Michael/Ball class in a few years. You could also probably toss out players like McCluster and Leonard who never really seemed to have much hope for becoming bell cow backs. Generally speaking though, any given 2nd round RB is a huge dog to have even a Greene caliber career. Probably no better than 25-30%. If you think Sankey is a Rice/MJD/Forte/McCoy level player then you shouldn't be too worried about the odds, but they don't paint a pretty picture and I'm not a huge believer in his talent aside from that. His RB13 dynasty ADP is actually pretty insane when you think about it. Last year's abnormally high hit rate on the 2nd round RBs (not a single one of them has cratered like Pead or LeShoure yet) might be skewing expectations for this new crop of rookie backs.
The odds of a 2nd round RB having a better career than a 3rd rounder is not good. Makes perfect sense. Do you even realize what you just wrote?Besides, you only say this because you already KNOW what Greene has done. How good could you be at predicting Greene's career that you don't know yet from the point he was drafted on forward? Instead of looking back into time and using data you already know.

 
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Donnybrook said:
EBF said:
Greene has two 1000+ yard rushing seasons in the NFL, which is probably more than Sankey will have in his career.
You might want to add this to the bold prediction thread.
The odds of him having a better career than Greene are actually pretty slim.

Here's a list of every RB drafted in the 2nd round from 2003-2012. Guys who have at least two 1000+ yard rushing season are in bold:

Isaiah Pead

LaMichael James

-------------------------

Ryan Williams

Shane Vereen

Mikel LeShoure

Daniel Thomas

-------------------------

Dexter McCluster

Toby Gerhart

Ben Tate

Montario Hardesty

-------------------------

LeSean McCoy

-------------------------

Matt Forte

Ray Rice

-------------------------

Kenny Irons

Chris Henry

Brian Leonard

Brandon Jackson

-------------------------

LenDale White

Maurice Jones-Drew

-------------------------

JJ Arrington

Eric Shelton

-------------------------

Tatum Bell

Julius Jones

Greg Jones

That's only 4 out of 24, or 16.7%. There are a couple players here who still have a chance to do it (Tate and Gerhart), and the recent odds are almost certainly going to rise when we look back on the Lacy/Bell/Gio/Michael/Ball class in a few years. You could also probably toss out players like McCluster and Leonard who never really seemed to have much hope for becoming bell cow backs. Generally speaking though, any given 2nd round RB is a huge dog to have even a Greene caliber career. Probably no better than 25-30%. If you think Sankey is a Rice/MJD/Forte/McCoy level player then you shouldn't be too worried about the odds, but they don't paint a pretty picture and I'm not a huge believer in his talent aside from that. His RB13 dynasty ADP is actually pretty insane when you think about it. Last year's abnormally high hit rate on the 2nd round RBs (not a single one of them has cratered like Pead or LeShoure yet) might be skewing expectations for this new crop of rookie backs.
What if we compared that to the 1st RB taken in the draft?

 
Donnybrook said:
EBF said:
Greene has two 1000+ yard rushing seasons in the NFL, which is probably more than Sankey will have in his career.
You might want to add this to the bold prediction thread.
The odds of him having a better career than Greene are actually pretty slim.

Here's a list of every RB drafted in the 2nd round from 2003-2012. Guys who have at least two 1000+ yard rushing season are in bold:

Isaiah Pead

LaMichael James

-------------------------

Ryan Williams

Shane Vereen

Mikel LeShoure

Daniel Thomas

-------------------------

Dexter McCluster

Toby Gerhart

Ben Tate

Montario Hardesty

-------------------------LeSean McCoy

-------------------------Matt ForteRay Rice

-------------------------

Kenny Irons

Chris Henry

Brian Leonard

Brandon Jackson

-------------------------

LenDale WhiteMaurice Jones-Drew

-------------------------

JJ Arrington

Eric Shelton

-------------------------

Tatum Bell

Julius Jones

Greg Jones

That's only 4 out of 24, or 16.7%. There are a couple players here who still have a chance to do it (Tate and Gerhart), and the recent odds are almost certainly going to rise when we look back on the Lacy/Bell/Gio/Michael/Ball class in a few years. You could also probably toss out players like McCluster and Leonard who never really seemed to have much hope for becoming bell cow backs. Generally speaking though, any given 2nd round RB is a huge dog to have even a Greene caliber career. Probably no better than 25-30%. If you think Sankey is a Rice/MJD/Forte/McCoy level player then you shouldn't be too worried about the odds, but they don't paint a pretty picture and I'm not a huge believer in his talent aside from that. His RB13 dynasty ADP is actually pretty insane when you think about it. Last year's abnormally high hit rate on the 2nd round RBs (not a single one of them has cratered like Pead or LeShoure yet) might be skewing expectations for this new crop of rookie backs.
The odds of a 2nd round RB having a better career than a 3rd rounder is not good. Makes perfect sense. Do you even realize what you just wrote?Besides, you only say this because you already KNOW what Greene has done. How good could you be at predicting Greene's career that you don't know yet from the point he was drafted on forward? Instead of looking back into time and using data you already know.
In fairness, he wasn't comparing Sankey's potential to Greene's potential as a prospect. He was comparing Sankey's potential to Greene's accomplishments (as we already know them).

 
EBF said:
Stankey will get chances because the team invested a lot in him. Given that his dynasty ADP is RB13, I'd be sell-sell-selling all day right now though.
Stankey and Turd Bin, real qualitative stuff.
 
There are lots of guys floating around with great workout numbers who aren't great running backs and vice versa. When I looked in depth at the numbers, I also found that among the 1st round guys it was best if the player had a clearly defined stylistic leaning. Meaning it was better to be either really small and really fast (like Spiller and Chris Johnson) or to be really big (215-220+ pounds). Sankey is neither here nor there. In a lot of ways he's reminiscent of guys like Donald Brown and Felix Jones. Not big enough to be a power back. Not fast enough to be a speed back. Caught in the dead zone. You could maybe point towards LeSean McCoy or Ray Rice as a cause for optimism, but subjectively I don't see a lot of similarities between those backs and Sankey. From my perspective he's closer to the likes of Donald Brown, Felix Jones, and Tashard Choice.
Small/fast and big are not styles of running. Why are you lumping them together as if they all run the same based on this?
 
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EBF said:
Shonn Greene and Mccluster looked decent in limited action. It'll be interesting to see if Sankey can play his way to starting during the preseason. If he does I still think he's off the field when it's 3rd down and goal line / short yardage situations, as long as Greene and Mccluster are healthy.
:goodposting: As much as people want to hope, there isn't a whole lot of upside for 2014 as long as Greene/McCluster are healthy.
Greene/McCluster - o yeah....

Right...
Seriously, since when are those two a threat to anyone?
Greene has two 1000+ yard rushing seasons in the NFL, which is probably more than Sankey will have in his career.

Stankey will get chances because the team invested a lot in him. Given that his dynasty ADP is RB13, I'd be sell-sell-selling all day right now though.

There might be 15+ backs rated below him who I think are better talents.
Jonathan Stewart and Trent Richardson?
:yes:
you'd really put richardstink above stankey?

 
Shonn Greene and Mccluster looked decent in limited action. It'll be interesting to see if Sankey can play his way to starting during the preseason. If he does I still think he's off the field when it's 3rd down and goal line / short yardage situations, as long as Greene and Mccluster are healthy.
:goodposting: As much as people want to hope, there isn't a whole lot of upside for 2014 as long as Greene/McCluster are healthy.
Greene/McCluster - o yeah....

Right...
Seriously, since when are those two a threat to anyone?
When the person challenging them looks like Sankey did last night. He wasn't creating anything for himself and looked like he often did at Washington... unimpressive. Weather was definitely a factor... on both sides of the ball. But I didn't see people sliding around or loosing their balance because of it. Neal and Starks had no issues running the ball for the Pack. Neal looked like the best rookie RB who played at LP Field last night, by a big margin IMO.

 
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There are lots of guys floating around with great workout numbers who aren't great running backs and vice versa. When I looked in depth at the numbers, I also found that among the 1st round guys it was best if the player had a clearly defined stylistic leaning. Meaning it was better to be either really small and really fast (like Spiller and Chris Johnson) or to be really big (215-220+ pounds). Sankey is neither here nor there. In a lot of ways he's reminiscent of guys like Donald Brown and Felix Jones. Not big enough to be a power back. Not fast enough to be a speed back. Caught in the dead zone. You could maybe point towards LeSean McCoy or Ray Rice as a cause for optimism, but subjectively I don't see a lot of similarities between those backs and Sankey. From my perspective he's closer to the likes of Donald Brown, Felix Jones, and Tashard Choice.
Small/fast and big are not styles of running. Why are you lumping them together as if they all run the same based on this?
 
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- The average first round RB is 217 pounds with a 30.3 BMI, a 4.44 40, a 35.8" vertical, and a 10'2" broad jump.

Bishop Sankey - 209 pounds, 30.5 BMI, 4.49 40, 35.5" vertical, 10'6" broad jump
This is from your own post and I thought it was a great one.

Sankey misses that average 1st round RB by 8 lbs., .04 in the 40 and 0.3 inches in the vertical. His BMI is above average so even though he weighs less it is proportional to his height.
There are lots of guys floating around with great workout numbers who aren't great running backs and vice versa. When I looked in depth at the numbers, I also found that among the 1st round guys it was best if the player had a clearly defined stylistic leaning. Meaning it was better to be either really small and really fast (like Spiller and Chris Johnson) or to be really big (215-220+ pounds). Sankey is neither here nor there. In a lot of ways he's reminiscent of guys like Donald Brown and Felix Jones. Not big enough to be a power back. Not fast enough to be a speed back. Caught in the dead zone. You could maybe point towards LeSean McCoy or Ray Rice as a cause for optimism, but subjectively I don't see a lot of similarities between those backs and Sankey. From my perspective he's closer to the likes of Donald Brown, Felix Jones, and Tashard Choice.

I did not especially like Sankey as a draft prospect and watching him out there in a few clips tonight, I was not terribly impressed. It's kind of funny how you can watch these guys for months in college without having a 100% concrete take on their prospects, and yet when you see them out there in the NFL there's almost an immediate "aha" or "ehhhh" reaction. Some guys like Andre Williams and Tre Mason just look like they belong. Others not so much. I don't really say it with any great joy, but if you can get market value (~RB15) for Sankey then I'd pounce all day. I don't see the upside to go a whole lot higher than that in the future and there's a very real possibility that his value will crumble if he doesn't flash good talent this year.
Sankey's strength is as a receiver - did you see the catch where he bailed out Whitehurst and turned a nothing play into a 23 yard gain? And then the 5 yard TD reception he made look easy.

He's not going to make a lot on his own as a runner but he bursts through holes when he gets them (see the 8 and 9 yard gains he made). I would not be so high on him if I expected his OL to play like it did last night.

 
- The average first round RB is 217 pounds with a 30.3 BMI, a 4.44 40, a 35.8" vertical, and a 10'2" broad jump.

Bishop Sankey - 209 pounds, 30.5 BMI, 4.49 40, 35.5" vertical, 10'6" broad jump
This is from your own post and I thought it was a great one.

Sankey misses that average 1st round RB by 8 lbs., .04 in the 40 and 0.3 inches in the vertical. His BMI is above average so even though he weighs less it is proportional to his height.
There are lots of guys floating around with great workout numbers who aren't great running backs and vice versa. When I looked in depth at the numbers, I also found that among the 1st round guys it was best if the player had a clearly defined stylistic leaning. Meaning it was better to be either really small and really fast (like Spiller and Chris Johnson) or to be really big (215-220+ pounds). Sankey is neither here nor there. In a lot of ways he's reminiscent of guys like Donald Brown and Felix Jones. Not big enough to be a power back. Not fast enough to be a speed back. Caught in the dead zone. You could maybe point towards LeSean McCoy or Ray Rice as a cause for optimism, but subjectively I don't see a lot of similarities between those backs and Sankey. From my perspective he's closer to the likes of Donald Brown, Felix Jones, and Tashard Choice.

I did not especially like Sankey as a draft prospect and watching him out there in a few clips tonight, I was not terribly impressed. It's kind of funny how you can watch these guys for months in college without having a 100% concrete take on their prospects, and yet when you see them out there in the NFL there's almost an immediate "aha" or "ehhhh" reaction. Some guys like Andre Williams and Tre Mason just look like they belong. Others not so much. I don't really say it with any great joy, but if you can get market value (~RB15) for Sankey then I'd pounce all day. I don't see the upside to go a whole lot higher than that in the future and there's a very real possibility that his value will crumble if he doesn't flash good talent this year.
Sankey's strength is as a receiver - did you see the catch where he bailed out Whitehurst and turned a nothing play into a 23 yard gain? And then the 5 yard TD reception he made look easy.

He's not going to make a lot on his own as a runner but he bursts through holes when he gets them (see the 8 and 9 yard gains he made). I would not be so high on him if I expected his OL to play like it did last night.
Anyone could have made that play look easy. The LB Jones who was supposed to be covering him was no where near him.

 
- The average first round RB is 217 pounds with a 30.3 BMI, a 4.44 40, a 35.8" vertical, and a 10'2" broad jump.

Bishop Sankey - 209 pounds, 30.5 BMI, 4.49 40, 35.5" vertical, 10'6" broad jump
This is from your own post and I thought it was a great one.

Sankey misses that average 1st round RB by 8 lbs., .04 in the 40 and 0.3 inches in the vertical. His BMI is above average so even though he weighs less it is proportional to his height.
There are lots of guys floating around with great workout numbers who aren't great running backs and vice versa. When I looked in depth at the numbers, I also found that among the 1st round guys it was best if the player had a clearly defined stylistic leaning. Meaning it was better to be either really small and really fast (like Spiller and Chris Johnson) or to be really big (215-220+ pounds). Sankey is neither here nor there. In a lot of ways he's reminiscent of guys like Donald Brown and Felix Jones. Not big enough to be a power back. Not fast enough to be a speed back. Caught in the dead zone. You could maybe point towards LeSean McCoy or Ray Rice as a cause for optimism, but subjectively I don't see a lot of similarities between those backs and Sankey. From my perspective he's closer to the likes of Donald Brown, Felix Jones, and Tashard Choice.

I did not especially like Sankey as a draft prospect and watching him out there in a few clips tonight, I was not terribly impressed. It's kind of funny how you can watch these guys for months in college without having a 100% concrete take on their prospects, and yet when you see them out there in the NFL there's almost an immediate "aha" or "ehhhh" reaction. Some guys like Andre Williams and Tre Mason just look like they belong. Others not so much. I don't really say it with any great joy, but if you can get market value (~RB15) for Sankey then I'd pounce all day. I don't see the upside to go a whole lot higher than that in the future and there's a very real possibility that his value will crumble if he doesn't flash good talent this year.
Sankey's strength is as a receiver - did you see the catch where he bailed out Whitehurst and turned a nothing play into a 23 yard gain? And then the 5 yard TD reception he made look easy.

He's not going to make a lot on his own as a runner but he bursts through holes when he gets them (see the 8 and 9 yard gains he made). I would not be so high on him if I expected his OL to play like it did last night.
Hmmm, above average as a receiver, average at best running through the tackles. Not a recipe for a fantasy stud IMO. Haven't watched the game but plan to do so later today.

 

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