Official Bishop Sankey - Best RB in the 2014 Draft (1 Viewer)

[Bob Magaw]

No rb will look good until the Titans get that O line figured out and have a bit more consistency at the QB position. It is easy to beat up on Sankey for the year he had and no doubt he can get better himself, but that team and situation was a mess last year. It is way to early to say I told you so one way or another on Sankey.

I am not worried about the success of Sankey coming down to a competition with him and Cobb. Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups. The success of Sankey will rely on improved O line play and QB play. A lot can be learned after a year of playing time and a full year to work on your weaknesses as a player. I think it would be foolish to say Sankey has no chance to be successful going forward.

Sankey - 3.7 Y/C average

Greene - 4.2 Y/C average

Greene did better behind the same OL, though, which begs the question is OL than a legit excuse and justification for his decidedly underwhelming rookie campaign. Sankey's carries are a small sample group, so I don't want to overreach here, and I certainly wouldn't say he has no chance, but a possible interpretation of the evidence is Greene isn't very good, and Sankey couldn't even rise above that low bar. You could say he is a rookie, but RB is an instinctive position, that relative to QB, WR, TE and OL on offense, historically, good ones can excel from right away (of course we can look back and show RBs like Tomlinson that didn't light it up as rookies).

"Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups." (Usually, sure, that isn't a controversial statement, when qualified).

2014 Top 20 rushing yard leaders

#5 - Forsett (7th)

#6 - Foster (UFA)

#10 - Miller (4th)

#11 - Morris (6th)

#15 - Bell (UFA)

#16 - Anderson (UFA)

#17 - Ivory (UFA)

#20 - Williams (4th)

So 40% were either day three or UFA backs. Not as even odds as a coin flip, but hardly extraordinarily rare.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

No rb will look good until the Titans get that O line figured out and have a bit more consistency at the QB position. It is easy to beat up on Sankey for the year he had and no doubt he can get better himself, but that team and situation was a mess last year. It is way to early to say I told you so one way or another on Sankey.

I am not worried about the success of Sankey coming down to a competition with him and Cobb. Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups. The success of Sankey will rely on improved O line play and QB play. A lot can be learned after a year of playing time and a full year to work on your weaknesses as a player. I think it would be foolish to say Sankey has no chance to be successful going forward.

Sankey - 3.7 Y/C average

Greene - 4.2 Y/C average

Greene did better behind the same OL, though, which begs the question is OL than a legit excuse and justification for his decidedly underwhelming rookie campaign. Sankey's carries are a small sample group, so I don't want to overreach here, and I certainly wouldn't say he has no chance, but a possible interpretation of the evidence is Greene isn't very good, and Sankey couldn't even rise above that low bar. You could say he is a rookie, but RB is an instinctive position, that relative to QB, WR, TE and OL on offense, historically, good ones can excel from right away (of course we can look back and show RBs like Tomlinson that didn't light it up as rookies).

"Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups." (Usually, sure, that isn't a controversial statement, when qualified).

2014 Top 20 rushing yard leaders

#5 - Forsett (7th)

#6 - Foster (UFA)

#10 - Miller (4th)

#11 - Morris (6th)

#15 - Bell (UFA)

#16 - Anderson (UFA)

#17 - Ivory (UFA)

#20 - Williams (4th)

So 40% were either day three or UFA backs. Not as even odds as a coin flip, but hardly extraordinarily rare.

 

[Bri]

No rb will look good until the Titans get that O line figured out and have a bit more consistency at the QB position. It is easy to beat up on Sankey for the year he had and no doubt he can get better himself, but that team and situation was a mess last year. It is way to early to say I told you so one way or another on Sankey.

I am not worried about the success of Sankey coming down to a competition with him and Cobb. Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups. The success of Sankey will rely on improved O line play and QB play. A lot can be learned after a year of playing time and a full year to work on your weaknesses as a player. I think it would be foolish to say Sankey has no chance to be successful going forward.

Sankey - 3.7 Y/C average

Greene - 4.2 Y/C average

Greene did better behind the same OL, though, which begs the question is OL than a legit excuse and justification for his decidedly underwhelming rookie campaign. Sankey's carries are a small sample group, so I don't want to overreach here, and I certainly wouldn't say he has no chance, but a possible interpretation of the evidence is Greene isn't very good, and Sankey couldn't even rise above that low bar. You could say he is a rookie, but RB is an instinctive position, that relative to QB, WR, TE and OL on offense, historically, good ones can excel from right away (of course we can look back and show RBs like Tomlinson that didn't light it up as rookies).

Sankey had roughly 9 carries per game. Is that enough to judge a RB?

 

[Bob Magaw]

No rb will look good until the Titans get that O line figured out and have a bit more consistency at the QB position. It is easy to beat up on Sankey for the year he had and no doubt he can get better himself, but that team and situation was a mess last year. It is way to early to say I told you so one way or another on Sankey.

I am not worried about the success of Sankey coming down to a competition with him and Cobb. Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups. The success of Sankey will rely on improved O line play and QB play. A lot can be learned after a year of playing time and a full year to work on your weaknesses as a player. I think it would be foolish to say Sankey has no chance to be successful going forward.

Sankey - 3.7 Y/C average

Greene - 4.2 Y/C average

Greene did better behind the same OL, though, which begs the question is OL than a legit excuse and justification for his decidedly underwhelming rookie campaign. Sankey's carries are a small sample group, so I don't want to overreach here, and I certainly wouldn't say he has no chance, but a possible interpretation of the evidence is Greene isn't very good, and Sankey couldn't even rise above that low bar. You could say he is a rookie, but RB is an instinctive position, that relative to QB, WR, TE and OL on offense, historically, good ones can excel from right away (of course we can look back and show RBs like Tomlinson that didn't light it up as rookies).

Sankey had roughly 9 carries per game. Is that enough to judge a RB?

Greene had 94 carries in 13 games. About 7 per game.

He has a career average of 4.1 Y/C in 993 career carries, so that's in line with last year's 4.2.

As I said, I wouldn't say he has no chance. Just to use OL as an excuse, if Shonn Greene is pretty mediocre, we have to explain why Sankey was worse behind the same OL.

The other main point, using the top 20 rushing leaders in 2014 as an example, I wouldn't completely exclude the possibility that a fifth rounder could emerge from the backfield, it has not only happened before, but quite a few times, and recently.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

No rb will look good until the Titans get that O line figured out and have a bit more consistency at the QB position. It is easy to beat up on Sankey for the year he had and no doubt he can get better himself, but that team and situation was a mess last year. It is way to early to say I told you so one way or another on Sankey.

I am not worried about the success of Sankey coming down to a competition with him and Cobb. Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups. The success of Sankey will rely on improved O line play and QB play. A lot can be learned after a year of playing time and a full year to work on your weaknesses as a player. I think it would be foolish to say Sankey has no chance to be successful going forward.

Sankey - 3.7 Y/C average

Greene - 4.2 Y/C average

Greene did better behind the same OL, though, which begs the question is OL than a legit excuse and justification for his decidedly underwhelming rookie campaign. Sankey's carries are a small sample group, so I don't want to overreach here, and I certainly wouldn't say he has no chance, but a possible interpretation of the evidence is Greene isn't very good, and Sankey couldn't even rise above that low bar. You could say he is a rookie, but RB is an instinctive position, that relative to QB, WR, TE and OL on offense, historically, good ones can excel from right away (of course we can look back and show RBs like Tomlinson that didn't light it up as rookies).

"Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups." (Usually, sure, that isn't a controversial statement, when qualified).

2014 Top 20 rushing yard leaders

#5 - Forsett (7th)

#6 - Foster (UFA)

#10 - Miller (4th)

#11 - Morris (6th)

#15 - Bell (UFA)

#16 - Anderson (UFA)

#17 - Ivory (UFA)

#20 - Williams (4th)

So 40% were either day three or UFA backs. Not as even odds as a coin flip, but hardly extraordinarily rare.

This is where analytics sometimes get in the way of looking at on field performance. This may be one of the most misleading posts to try and prove anything based solely on stats. Green was as bad as Sankey last year and in my opinion looked worse.

Go and look at Greene's game logs from last year. He received carries in 13 games. He was only able to manage 4.0 ypc or higher in 4 of the 13 games he played. In 9 of those game he averaged less than 3.3 ypc. It does not get more abysmal than that.

Now Sankey who as I said needs to improve had 5 games he averaged over 4.2 ypc and only 4 times did he average less than 3.3 ypc in comparison to the 9 times for Greene.

The qb play, the O line, and the offense in general was just awful and claiming Greene had a 4.2 ypc is beyond misleading. The previous 2 years Greene averaged less than 4 ypc. He had a place in the NFL and had a couple of ok years, but that 4.2 ypc last year is really downplaying how bad he really looked last year.

 

[Bri]

No rb will look good until the Titans get that O line figured out and have a bit more consistency at the QB position. It is easy to beat up on Sankey for the year he had and no doubt he can get better himself, but that team and situation was a mess last year. It is way to early to say I told you so one way or another on Sankey.

I am not worried about the success of Sankey coming down to a competition with him and Cobb. Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups. The success of Sankey will rely on improved O line play and QB play. A lot can be learned after a year of playing time and a full year to work on your weaknesses as a player. I think it would be foolish to say Sankey has no chance to be successful going forward.

Sankey - 3.7 Y/C average

Greene - 4.2 Y/C average

Greene did better behind the same OL, though, which begs the question is OL than a legit excuse and justification for his decidedly underwhelming rookie campaign. Sankey's carries are a small sample group, so I don't want to overreach here, and I certainly wouldn't say he has no chance, but a possible interpretation of the evidence is Greene isn't very good, and Sankey couldn't even rise above that low bar. You could say he is a rookie, but RB is an instinctive position, that relative to QB, WR, TE and OL on offense, historically, good ones can excel from right away (of course we can look back and show RBs like Tomlinson that didn't light it up as rookies).

Sankey had roughly 9 carries per game. Is that enough to judge a RB?

Greene had 94 carries in 13 games. About 7 per game.

He has a career average of 4.1 Y/C in 993 career carries, so that's in line with last year's 4.2.

As I said, I wouldn't say he has no chance. Just to use OL as an excuse, if Shonn Greene is pretty mediocre, we have to explain why Sankey was worse behind the same OL.

The other main point, using the top 20 rushing leaders in 2014 as an example, I wouldn't completely exclude the possibility that a fifth rounder could emerge from the backfield, it has not only happened before, but quite a few times, and recently.

That's not really the case or not really how it felt.

He did well in week one and week 17. In-between he averaged in the threes and that got progressively worse to two ypc and then a zero. He was inactive even.

You could pick a 5-6 week stretch where Greene didn't even get 15 carries total over that span.

 

[Bri]

Sankey stunk in the single back set. He looked like a lesser CJ-running fine around the corner but did nothing running inside.

During this bad span, he did not at all show any vision or the ability to put his head down and gain some tough yards. He had those happy feet so many rookies have where he gets to the hole and just dances standing still like a deer in headlights. Move! Go somewhere! Do something! were common yells at my tv.

I would totally say he's done, useless, waste, bust etc if I hadn't seen a zillion rookies perform that same dance routine over the years.

When your OL is battered to using 3rd stringers/guys signed off the street, why Whis would think benching the FB to go to a single back set is a good idea is beyond me, but that happened.

I would have been OK with the FB playing and trailing him to knock him forward when he stopped. It might even be a decent training exercise. Keep moving or you'll get hit

 

[White Lightning]

I actually forgot this was a thread. I remember re-reading the title "Sankey - Best RB in the 2014 Draft" last fall and thinking, "mental note, don't listen to anything Brewtown/OP has to say from here on out.

 

[biju]

Seastrunk will steal this job by week 7, assuming they draft nobody else. Book it.

Titans waived RB Lache Seastrunk.

A 2014 sixth-round pick of the Redskins, Seastrunk has yet to appear in a

regular-season game. Seastrunk is dynamic in the open field, but has zero

passing-game chops. That's a hard way to make a living for a fringe-type talent.

 

[Bri]

I actually forgot this was a thread. I remember re-reading the title "Sankey - Best RB in the 2014 Draft" last fall and thinking, "mental note, don't listen to anything Brewtown/OP has to say from here on out.

when a guy stinks, people dissect the word best and top and first

The Titans line play for like the last 20-25 years has been very good to excellent with 4-5 hall of famers and other names "everyone" knows. They were downright spoiled. You would have probably seemed foolish to predict they'd be "worst ever" type bad if you said so last summer.

No Munchak, No Bruce Matthews- a downgrade would have seemed reasonable but that pathetic display I don't think was predictable.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I posted this in this thread a while back.

Who am I?

2013 rookie RB stats: 3.5 ypc and looked slow and sluggish and people said that I had no vision. People said I was a wasted pick and that I was a bust (keep in mind Sankey had a 3.7 ypc).

2014 sophmore season: 4.7 ypc and looked like an absolute stud and people now have me as one of the top 5 rb's in the game.

The answer: Le'Veon Bell.

There are a lot of things that can happen in an off season and there are a lot of factors that come into play. It is way too early to write a rb off that was in a situation as gross as Sankey was last year. People can claim but Bell lost weight and got more devoted to football. You can be saying next year that the Titans O line got better and the QBing improved and Sankey looks like a completely different player in year 2 and on and on.

Let's let things play out a little more than 152 rush attempts to a guys career before we label him a bust.

 

[Bob Magaw]

No rb will look good until the Titans get that O line figured out and have a bit more consistency at the QB position. It is easy to beat up on Sankey for the year he had and no doubt he can get better himself, but that team and situation was a mess last year. It is way to early to say I told you so one way or another on Sankey.

I am not worried about the success of Sankey coming down to a competition with him and Cobb. Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups. The success of Sankey will rely on improved O line play and QB play. A lot can be learned after a year of playing time and a full year to work on your weaknesses as a player. I think it would be foolish to say Sankey has no chance to be successful going forward.

Sankey - 3.7 Y/C average

Greene - 4.2 Y/C average

Greene did better behind the same OL, though, which begs the question is OL than a legit excuse and justification for his decidedly underwhelming rookie campaign. Sankey's carries are a small sample group, so I don't want to overreach here, and I certainly wouldn't say he has no chance, but a possible interpretation of the evidence is Greene isn't very good, and Sankey couldn't even rise above that low bar. You could say he is a rookie, but RB is an instinctive position, that relative to QB, WR, TE and OL on offense, historically, good ones can excel from right away (of course we can look back and show RBs like Tomlinson that didn't light it up as rookies).

"Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups." (Usually, sure, that isn't a controversial statement, when qualified).

2014 Top 20 rushing yard leaders

#5 - Forsett (7th)

#6 - Foster (UFA)

#10 - Miller (4th)

#11 - Morris (6th)

#15 - Bell (UFA)

#16 - Anderson (UFA)

#17 - Ivory (UFA)

#20 - Williams (4th)

So 40% were either day three or UFA backs. Not as even odds as a coin flip, but hardly extraordinarily rare.

This is where analytics sometimes get in the way of looking at on field performance. This may be one of the most misleading posts to try and prove anything based solely on stats. Green was as bad as Sankey last year and in my opinion looked worse.

Go and look at Greene's game logs from last year. He received carries in 13 games. He was only able to manage 4.0 ypc or higher in 4 of the 13 games he played. In 9 of those game he averaged less than 3.3 ypc. It does not get more abysmal than that.

Now Sankey who as I said needs to improve had 5 games he averaged over 4.2 ypc and only 4 times did he average less than 3.3 ypc in comparison to the 9 times for Greene.

The qb play, the O line, and the offense in general was just awful and claiming Greene had a 4.2 ypc is beyond misleading. The previous 2 years Greene averaged less than 4 ypc. He had a place in the NFL and had a couple of ok years, but that 4.2 ypc last year is really downplaying how bad he really looked last year.

Sankey was better than 4.0 yards a carry in 5 of 16 games. Pretty similar to Greene on a percentage basis. That is a flimsy basis on which to claim misleading.

If you are trying to demonstate as a positive for Sankey that he had better than a 3.3 Y/C average more often than Greene, that is kind of a backhanded compliment (point taken there could be nuances in a who was the least weak discussion, depending on how you parse the numbers). Greene has a career average of 4.1 Y/C, in line with what he did last year, not misleading? Did TEN have QB, OL and offense in general issues in 2013 as well. Why not make excuses* for Greene, too, than. Maybe his Y/C average would have been higher that year, if not for the same excuses you are making for Sankey.

Was it misleading to suggest a fifth rounder has a higher possibility of emerging than you represented it?

* Sub reasons for excuses, that leaves the end point the same, I didn't mean to de-legitimize the OL concern. I've just been talking about given the OL, such as it is, how have Greene and Sankey compared.

 

[Bob Magaw]

No rb will look good until the Titans get that O line figured out and have a bit more consistency at the QB position. It is easy to beat up on Sankey for the year he had and no doubt he can get better himself, but that team and situation was a mess last year. It is way to early to say I told you so one way or another on Sankey.

I am not worried about the success of Sankey coming down to a competition with him and Cobb. Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups. The success of Sankey will rely on improved O line play and QB play. A lot can be learned after a year of playing time and a full year to work on your weaknesses as a player. I think it would be foolish to say Sankey has no chance to be successful going forward.

Sankey - 3.7 Y/C average

Greene - 4.2 Y/C average

Greene did better behind the same OL, though, which begs the question is OL than a legit excuse and justification for his decidedly underwhelming rookie campaign. Sankey's carries are a small sample group, so I don't want to overreach here, and I certainly wouldn't say he has no chance, but a possible interpretation of the evidence is Greene isn't very good, and Sankey couldn't even rise above that low bar. You could say he is a rookie, but RB is an instinctive position, that relative to QB, WR, TE and OL on offense, historically, good ones can excel from right away (of course we can look back and show RBs like Tomlinson that didn't light it up as rookies).

Sankey had roughly 9 carries per game. Is that enough to judge a RB?

Greene had 94 carries in 13 games. About 7 per game.

He has a career average of 4.1 Y/C in 993 career carries, so that's in line with last year's 4.2.

As I said, I wouldn't say he has no chance. Just to use OL as an excuse, if Shonn Greene is pretty mediocre, we have to explain why Sankey was worse behind the same OL.

The other main point, using the top 20 rushing leaders in 2014 as an example, I wouldn't completely exclude the possibility that a fifth rounder could emerge from the backfield, it has not only happened before, but quite a few times, and recently.

That's not really the case or not really how it felt.

He did well in week one and week 17. In-between he averaged in the threes and that got progressively worse to two ypc and then a zero. He was inactive even.

You could pick a 5-6 week stretch where Greene didn't even get 15 carries total over that span.

I'm not sure if I understand the point, if we we're talking about average (Y/C), not total carries. Didn't Sankey also have good and bad games?

After the first month: 3.38, 3.39, 3.50, 3.89, 3.44, 3.45, 3.70, 4.20, 2.78, 2.67, 3.14, 4.50.

Sankey was sub 4.0 in 10 of the last 12 games (and 3.50 or less in 80% of those sub-4.0 games).

 

[Bob Magaw]

I posted this in this thread a while back.

Who am I?

2013 rookie RB stats: 3.5 ypc and looked slow and sluggish and people said that I had no vision. People said I was a wasted pick and that I was a bust (keep in mind Sankey had a 3.7 ypc).

2014 sophmore season: 4.7 ypc and looked like an absolute stud and people now have me as one of the top 5 rb's in the game.

The answer: Le'Veon Bell.

There are a lot of things that can happen in an off season and there are a lot of factors that come into play. It is way too early to write a rb off that was in a situation as gross as Sankey was last year. People can claim but Bell lost weight and got more devoted to football. You can be saying next year that the Titans O line got better and the QBing improved and Sankey looks like a completely different player in year 2 and on and on.

Let's let things play out a little more than 152 rush attempts to a guys career before we label him a bust.

And a response was also posted a while back.

Bell lost a dramatic amount of weight (it was like a Christian Bale in the Machinist or Matthew McConaughey in the Dallas Buyers Club-type transformation), and in the process looked like a completely different player, and as a result, took the league by storm with markedly superior suddenness, burst, acceleration, COD, elusiveness, speed, etc.

I look in vain to find a comparable reasons to pin hopes on such a transformation and improvement with Sankey. It isn't like he could lose 20 lbs.?

 

[Bri]

No rb will look good until the Titans get that O line figured out and have a bit more consistency at the QB position. It is easy to beat up on Sankey for the year he had and no doubt he can get better himself, but that team and situation was a mess last year. It is way to early to say I told you so one way or another on Sankey.

I am not worried about the success of Sankey coming down to a competition with him and Cobb. Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups. The success of Sankey will rely on improved O line play and QB play. A lot can be learned after a year of playing time and a full year to work on your weaknesses as a player. I think it would be foolish to say Sankey has no chance to be successful going forward.

Sankey - 3.7 Y/C average

Greene - 4.2 Y/C average

Greene did better behind the same OL, though, which begs the question is OL than a legit excuse and justification for his decidedly underwhelming rookie campaign. Sankey's carries are a small sample group, so I don't want to overreach here, and I certainly wouldn't say he has no chance, but a possible interpretation of the evidence is Greene isn't very good, and Sankey couldn't even rise above that low bar. You could say he is a rookie, but RB is an instinctive position, that relative to QB, WR, TE and OL on offense, historically, good ones can excel from right away (of course we can look back and show RBs like Tomlinson that didn't light it up as rookies).

Sankey had roughly 9 carries per game. Is that enough to judge a RB?

Greene had 94 carries in 13 games. About 7 per game.

He has a career average of 4.1 Y/C in 993 career carries, so that's in line with last year's 4.2.

As I said, I wouldn't say he has no chance. Just to use OL as an excuse, if Shonn Greene is pretty mediocre, we have to explain why Sankey was worse behind the same OL.

The other main point, using the top 20 rushing leaders in 2014 as an example, I wouldn't completely exclude the possibility that a fifth rounder could emerge from the backfield, it has not only happened before, but quite a few times, and recently.

That's not really the case or not really how it felt.

He did well in week one and week 17. In-between he averaged in the threes and that got progressively worse to two ypc and then a zero. He was inactive even.

You could pick a 5-6 week stretch where Greene didn't even get 15 carries total over that span.

I'm not sure if I understand the point, we were talking about average (Y/C), not total carries. Didn't Sankey also have good and bad games?

After the first month: 3.38, 3.39, 3.50, 3.89, 3.44, 3.45, 3.70, 4.20, 2.78, 2.67, 3.14, 4.50.

Sankey was sub 4.0 in 10 of the last 12 games.

Sankey would be better than Shonn in the middle 13-14 games in ypc. Not uncommon for a rook to not start week one or some week 17 unusual uptick for a player.

Sankey definitely supplanted Greene by like week 4. Green dropped to just 3 carries then.

Greene got some extra action against his former team. The Titans gave the Browns the best comeback in their history and he was part of the RB corps that couldn't run down the clock up 25 points or so. Average seems odd when you're going on 5 carries a game or less.

I'm not sure what the reasonable number is but something where it seems like the guy got some work.

I'm not even sure defenses react the same. Do you have any concern if Greene is in for one of his three carries? Would you bother having a LB shadow him?

Because of the negativity toward Greene people expected struggles, but any other week one starter going to 3,4,5 carries late in the season breeds this wow he's done feel, also when he's inactive too.

Sankey was not good-plenty of posts saying so. The only thing he did accomplish though is beat out Greene.

Most of all, besides Whisenhunt's poor decision to go single-back set (which Greene was not a part of) was that anyone watching could tell he had zero confidence in the run game. In time, he'd make comments like Leon Washington was the best back or most reliable and it was all part of a debacle.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Sankey stunk in the single back set. He looked like a lesser CJ-running fine around the corner but did nothing running inside.

During this bad span, he did not at all show any vision or the ability to put his head down and gain some tough yards. He had those happy feet so many rookies have where he gets to the hole and just dances standing still like a deer in headlights. Move! Go somewhere! Do something! were common yells at my tv.

I would totally say he's done, useless, waste, bust etc if I hadn't seen a zillion rookies perform that same dance routine over the years.

When your OL is battered to using 3rd stringers/guys signed off the street, why Whis would think benching the FB to go to a single back set is a good idea is beyond me, but that happened.

I would have been OK with the FB playing and trailing him to knock him forward when he stopped. It might even be a decent training exercise. Keep moving or you'll get hit

I'm not bashing Sankey. Pretty much most RBs can do better if you put a better OL in front of them, and a QB can be huge (I think Mariota has a lot of upside).

A lot of young RBs, like you are alluding to, dance too much, or try and bounce runs outside too often, and don't take what is there, and those flaws are all correctable and possible to improve on. Some RBs learn that lesson, some don't. Two things concerned me, but maybe they are a function of how minimal a level the OL was functioning at - didn't flash a lot of tackle breaking power, or the elusiveness to escape tacklers, imo (let alone demonstrate the abilities consistently). That could be a bad combination.

Others can talk about the good things they saw based in actual games, there is a point where it is splitting hairs to infer things from the .2 yard that separates games better than 3.3 or worse than 3.5. I have to take another look at running style, but a player that was drafted higher (first round) than Sankey, I think is similar size and speed, reminds me of in some respects and if Sankey's career unfolds in a similar career arc and trajectory, would land in the disappointing spectrum of his rookie projection and hopes, is Donald Brown.

 

[werdnoynek]

I'm not really basing my feelings on Sankey's rookie season... I didn't like him as a prospect and nothing changed in his first year as a back.

If he somehow becomes a smarter, more instinctual runner, then my opinion may change... but as it stands I don't think it would take a blue chip prospect to beat him out, ask Shonn Greene.

 

[Bob Magaw]

No rb will look good until the Titans get that O line figured out and have a bit more consistency at the QB position. It is easy to beat up on Sankey for the year he had and no doubt he can get better himself, but that team and situation was a mess last year. It is way to early to say I told you so one way or another on Sankey.

I am not worried about the success of Sankey coming down to a competition with him and Cobb. Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups. The success of Sankey will rely on improved O line play and QB play. A lot can be learned after a year of playing time and a full year to work on your weaknesses as a player. I think it would be foolish to say Sankey has no chance to be successful going forward.

Sankey - 3.7 Y/C average

Greene - 4.2 Y/C average

Greene did better behind the same OL, though, which begs the question is OL than a legit excuse and justification for his decidedly underwhelming rookie campaign. Sankey's carries are a small sample group, so I don't want to overreach here, and I certainly wouldn't say he has no chance, but a possible interpretation of the evidence is Greene isn't very good, and Sankey couldn't even rise above that low bar. You could say he is a rookie, but RB is an instinctive position, that relative to QB, WR, TE and OL on offense, historically, good ones can excel from right away (of course we can look back and show RBs like Tomlinson that didn't light it up as rookies).

Sankey had roughly 9 carries per game. Is that enough to judge a RB?

Greene had 94 carries in 13 games. About 7 per game.

He has a career average of 4.1 Y/C in 993 career carries, so that's in line with last year's 4.2.

As I said, I wouldn't say he has no chance. Just to use OL as an excuse, if Shonn Greene is pretty mediocre, we have to explain why Sankey was worse behind the same OL.

The other main point, using the top 20 rushing leaders in 2014 as an example, I wouldn't completely exclude the possibility that a fifth rounder could emerge from the backfield, it has not only happened before, but quite a few times, and recently.

That's not really the case or not really how it felt.

He did well in week one and week 17. In-between he averaged in the threes and that got progressively worse to two ypc and then a zero. He was inactive even.

You could pick a 5-6 week stretch where Greene didn't even get 15 carries total over that span.

I'm not sure if I understand the point, we were talking about average (Y/C), not total carries. Didn't Sankey also have good and bad games?

After the first month: 3.38, 3.39, 3.50, 3.89, 3.44, 3.45, 3.70, 4.20, 2.78, 2.67, 3.14, 4.50.

Sankey was sub 4.0 in 10 of the last 12 games.

Sankey would be better than Shonn in the middle 13-14 games in ypc. Not uncommon for a rook to not start week one or some week 17 unusual uptick for a player.

Sankey definitely supplanted Greene by like week 4. Green dropped to just 3 carries then.

Greene got some extra action against his former team. The Titans gave the Browns the best comeback in their history and he was part of the RB corps that couldn't run down the clock up 25 points or so. Average seems odd when you're going on 5 carries a game or less.

I'm not sure what the reasonable number is but something where it seems like the guy got some work.

I'm not even sure defenses react the same. Do you have any concern if Greene is in for one of his three carries? Would you bother having a LB shadow him?

Because of the negativity toward Greene people expected struggles, but any other week one starter going to 3,4,5 carries late in the season breeds this wow he's done feel, also when he's inactive too.

Sankey was not good-plenty of posts saying so. The only thing he did accomplish though is beat out Greene.

Most of all, besides Whisenhunt's poor decision to go single-back set (which Greene was not a part of) was that anyone watching could tell he had zero confidence in the run game. In time, he'd make comments like Leon Washington was the best back or most reliable and it was all part of a debacle.

I remember when Leinart lost the trust of Whisenhunt, his dog house was more like a dungeon. But maybe that one relationship isn't a reflection of the norm for him (and Leinart did party pretty hard instead of learning the plays, doubtful if things don't click for him in the next, potentially make-or-break season or two, it will have anything to do with work ethic, my concerns are unrelated to that, more about intrinsic talent questions).

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

No rb will look good until the Titans get that O line figured out and have a bit more consistency at the QB position. It is easy to beat up on Sankey for the year he had and no doubt he can get better himself, but that team and situation was a mess last year. It is way to early to say I told you so one way or another on Sankey.

I am not worried about the success of Sankey coming down to a competition with him and Cobb. Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups. The success of Sankey will rely on improved O line play and QB play. A lot can be learned after a year of playing time and a full year to work on your weaknesses as a player. I think it would be foolish to say Sankey has no chance to be successful going forward.

Sankey - 3.7 Y/C average

Greene - 4.2 Y/C average

Greene did better behind the same OL, though, which begs the question is OL than a legit excuse and justification for his decidedly underwhelming rookie campaign. Sankey's carries are a small sample group, so I don't want to overreach here, and I certainly wouldn't say he has no chance, but a possible interpretation of the evidence is Greene isn't very good, and Sankey couldn't even rise above that low bar. You could say he is a rookie, but RB is an instinctive position, that relative to QB, WR, TE and OL on offense, historically, good ones can excel from right away (of course we can look back and show RBs like Tomlinson that didn't light it up as rookies).

"Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups." (Usually, sure, that isn't a controversial statement, when qualified).

2014 Top 20 rushing yard leaders

#5 - Forsett (7th)

#6 - Foster (UFA)

#10 - Miller (4th)

#11 - Morris (6th)

#15 - Bell (UFA)

#16 - Anderson (UFA)

#17 - Ivory (UFA)

#20 - Williams (4th)

So 40% were either day three or UFA backs. Not as even odds as a coin flip, but hardly extraordinarily rare.

This is where analytics sometimes get in the way of looking at on field performance. This may be one of the most misleading posts to try and prove anything based solely on stats. Green was as bad as Sankey last year and in my opinion looked worse.

Go and look at Greene's game logs from last year. He received carries in 13 games. He was only able to manage 4.0 ypc or higher in 4 of the 13 games he played. In 9 of those game he averaged less than 3.3 ypc. It does not get more abysmal than that.

Now Sankey who as I said needs to improve had 5 games he averaged over 4.2 ypc and only 4 times did he average less than 3.3 ypc in comparison to the 9 times for Greene.

The qb play, the O line, and the offense in general was just awful and claiming Greene had a 4.2 ypc is beyond misleading. The previous 2 years Greene averaged less than 4 ypc. He had a place in the NFL and had a couple of ok years, but that 4.2 ypc last year is really downplaying how bad he really looked last year.

Sankey was better than 4.0 yards a carry in 5 of 16 games. Pretty similar to Greene on a percentage basis. That is a flimsy basis on which to claim misleading.

If you are trying to demonstate as a positive for Sankey that he had better than a 3.3 Y/C average more often than Greene, that is kind of a backhanded compliment (point taken there could be nuances in a who was the least weak discussion, depending on how you parse the numbers). Greene has a career average of 4.1 Y/C, in line with what he did last year, not misleading? Did TEN have QB, OL and offense in general issues in 2013 as well. Why not make excuses* for Greene, too, than. Maybe his Y/C average would have been higher that year, if not for the same excuses you are making for Sankey.

Was it misleading to suggest a fifth rounder has a higher possibility of emerging than you represented it?

* Sub reasons for excuses, that leaves the end point the same, I didn't mean to de-legitimize the OL concern. I've just been talking about given the OL, such as it is, how have Greense and Sankey compared.

Why are you making this about Greene vs Sankey?

I was not claiming Sankey was light years ahead of Greene last year. I am saying they both stunk. The whole run game was dreadful. The Titans on Offense as a whole was brutal. You were trying to claim that with that same O line Greene managed a 4.2 ypc as some means to make Sankey look like there was actually a situation there to succeed. There really was not much of a situation there for any rb to be successful Greene included. It really was cherry picking a stat.

Greene is an afterthought in this situation and he may not even make the roster. This is about trying to project if there is some room for Sankey to get better. The situation was awful for all involved last year and really no one looked very good running the ball as the lead guy with the Titans due to that horrendous situation.

 

[Bob Magaw]

No rb will look good until the Titans get that O line figured out and have a bit more consistency at the QB position. It is easy to beat up on Sankey for the year he had and no doubt he can get better himself, but that team and situation was a mess last year. It is way to early to say I told you so one way or another on Sankey.

I am not worried about the success of Sankey coming down to a competition with him and Cobb. Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups. The success of Sankey will rely on improved O line play and QB play. A lot can be learned after a year of playing time and a full year to work on your weaknesses as a player. I think it would be foolish to say Sankey has no chance to be successful going forward.

Sankey - 3.7 Y/C average

Greene - 4.2 Y/C average

Greene did better behind the same OL, though, which begs the question is OL than a legit excuse and justification for his decidedly underwhelming rookie campaign. Sankey's carries are a small sample group, so I don't want to overreach here, and I certainly wouldn't say he has no chance, but a possible interpretation of the evidence is Greene isn't very good, and Sankey couldn't even rise above that low bar. You could say he is a rookie, but RB is an instinctive position, that relative to QB, WR, TE and OL on offense, historically, good ones can excel from right away (of course we can look back and show RBs like Tomlinson that didn't light it up as rookies).

"Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups." (Usually, sure, that isn't a controversial statement, when qualified).

2014 Top 20 rushing yard leaders

#5 - Forsett (7th)

#6 - Foster (UFA)

#10 - Miller (4th)

#11 - Morris (6th)

#15 - Bell (UFA)

#16 - Anderson (UFA)

#17 - Ivory (UFA)

#20 - Williams (4th)

So 40% were either day three or UFA backs. Not as even odds as a coin flip, but hardly extraordinarily rare.

This is where analytics sometimes get in the way of looking at on field performance. This may be one of the most misleading posts to try and prove anything based solely on stats. Green was as bad as Sankey last year and in my opinion looked worse.

Go and look at Greene's game logs from last year. He received carries in 13 games. He was only able to manage 4.0 ypc or higher in 4 of the 13 games he played. In 9 of those game he averaged less than 3.3 ypc. It does not get more abysmal than that.

Now Sankey who as I said needs to improve had 5 games he averaged over 4.2 ypc and only 4 times did he average less than 3.3 ypc in comparison to the 9 times for Greene.

The qb play, the O line, and the offense in general was just awful and claiming Greene had a 4.2 ypc is beyond misleading. The previous 2 years Greene averaged less than 4 ypc. He had a place in the NFL and had a couple of ok years, but that 4.2 ypc last year is really downplaying how bad he really looked last year.

Sankey was better than 4.0 yards a carry in 5 of 16 games. Pretty similar to Greene on a percentage basis. That is a flimsy basis on which to claim misleading.

If you are trying to demonstate as a positive for Sankey that he had better than a 3.3 Y/C average more often than Greene, that is kind of a backhanded compliment (point taken there could be nuances in a who was the least weak discussion, depending on how you parse the numbers). Greene has a career average of 4.1 Y/C, in line with what he did last year, not misleading? Did TEN have QB, OL and offense in general issues in 2013 as well. Why not make excuses* for Greene, too, than. Maybe his Y/C average would have been higher that year, if not for the same excuses you are making for Sankey.

Was it misleading to suggest a fifth rounder has a higher possibility of emerging than you represented it?

* Sub reasons for excuses, that leaves the end point the same, I didn't mean to de-legitimize the OL concern. I've just been talking about given the OL, such as it is, how have Greense and Sankey compared.

Why are you making this about Greene vs Sankey?

I was not claiming Sankey was light years ahead of Greene last year. I am saying they both stunk. The whole run game was dreadful. The Titans on Offense as a whole was brutal. You were trying to claim that with that same O line Greene managed a 4.2 ypc as some means to make Sankey look like there was actually a situation there to succeed. There really was not much of a situation there for any rb to be successful Greene included. It really was cherry picking a stat.

Greene is an afterthought in this situation and he may not even make the roster. This is about trying to project if there is some room for Sankey to get better. The situation was awful for all involved last year and really no one looked very good running the ball as the lead guy with the Titans due to that horrendous situation.

Making it about Greene vs. Sankey was just because it is one way to look at how each individually did, by looking at them comparitively. Most teams have more than one RB, so it is inevitable they get compared, in fact it was the drafting of one that in part triggered this discussion. I can't compare the fifth rounder's stats in TEN, because they haven't happened yet, but Greene and Sankey's had.

I wasn't trying to imply TEN was a great situation. The context of some of my posts is, given a bad situation, how did they do relative to each other? I haven't just used numbers to explain my position, but have discussed other scouting based concerns. If there are positives you find cause for optimism, it can be another layer of information with which to interpret his rookie season and base projections on. Disagree about cherry picking, his 2014 Y/C average was close to his career average, most backs, in any year, will have good and bad games that comprise their average.

Maybe he will improve. I'm not highly optimistic based on what I've seen, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen. I did note upthread, OL and QB improvements could help, and some of his flaws could be correctable, we'll have to see if he does. My most serious questions are about tackle breaking ability and elusiveness, I'm not sure how much those can be improved, his circumstances, supporting cast and surrounding talent could change, but he is what he is. Speaking of running style, that is a direction that for me I could see one of the most realistic chances for improvement. Like Bri cited, like a lot of young RBs, he'd be better served to learn sooner than later, don't dance as much, don't bounce outside as often, take what you can get, etc.

 

[Bri]

The OLine coach still concerns me greatly

 

[cstu]

Year Age Draft Tm Lg G GS Att ▾ Yds Y/A TD Y/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Y/G Ctch%LeSean McCoy 2009 21 2-53 PHI NFL 16 4 155 637 4.11 4 39.8 55 40 308 7.70 0 19.3 72.7Reggie Bush 2006 21 1-2 NOR NFL 16 8 155 565 3.65 6 35.3 121 88 742 8.43 2 46.4 72.7Bishop Sankey 2014 22 2-54 TEN NFL 16 9 152 569 3.74 2 35.6 23 18 133 7.39 0 8.3 78.3Difference between McCoy's rookie rushing numbers and Sankey's is 3 carries for 68 yards...and he was on a team that went 11-5.

 

[mlball77]

On one hand, I think there are plenty of legitimate explanations for Sankey's less-than-stellar play last year (o-line performance, joining the team a tad late due to school, usage/workload, and just being a rookie). However, on the other hand, many of the counters to the "excuses" have merit, too. There has been a lot of good discussion in this thread!

As a T-Rich owner, I was quick to buy into the excuses for his poor play. Obviously the situation with Sankey is very different, but I find myself being more hesitant to fully accept the excuses/explanations for an underperforming, young RB today. This does seem to be a make-or-break year for Sankey, so it should be interesting.

Tangent: Greene is just a guy these days, but he was a relatively effective between-the-tackles runner for a few seasons in New York.

 

[Faust]

Why Fantasy Football Owners Shouldn’t Give Up on Bishop Sankey Just Yet

 

[cstu]

"We want him a little bit heavier, and just knowing the game (should help),'' Whisenhunt said. "I think knowing our plan and knowing our offense. … He was playing catch up (last year) and it's hard to do that when you are thrown into the wolves per se in camp, and he just never seemed to really catch up. He has been working from Day One not only on the physical part of it but the mental part of it a well."

Whisenhunt said he'd like to see Sankey gain roughly five to seven pounds for the start of the season.

"We'd like him in the 215 to 220 range,'' Whisenhunt said. "I just feel like as far as having some thump in the A-gap when he has protection or being able to get extra yards on a carry, I think that can help him."

http://www.tennessean.com/story/titansinsider/2015/05/27/titans-bishop-sankey-david-cobb-ken-whisenhunt/28023969/

 

[KellysHeroes]

so gain 5 lbs

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I have no idea if gaining 5lbs is going to amount much to Sankey's game. His measurables are already more than enough to be successful. Working on technique for blocking, reading his O line and learning the offense are far more important to Sankey. I think at times he was far too hesitant and I think Whiz is trying to drive home the point that 2nd and 7 is far better than 2 and 10. So don't bounce everything or go for the home run but rather get some tough yards for us.

 

[cstu]

• Sigmund Bloom ‏@SigmundBloom 20h20 hours ago@MattWaldman lasik surgery instead?
  
• Matt Waldman ‏@MattWaldman 20h20 hours ago
  
  @SigmundBloom If included with a package of sports hypnotherapy and visualization, sure.
  

 

[ShaHBucks]

Good luck with Felix Jones 2.0 Brewtown

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Good luck with Felix Jones 2.0 Brewtown

Don't insult Felix like that man.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Good luck with Felix Jones 2.0 Brewtown

Don't insult Felix like that man.

sry

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Is Sankey running with the first team at OTAs? Any coach speak?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Is Sankey running with the first team at OTAs? Any coach speak?

Greene was a no show.

Here is a blurb from coach...

“We want him a little bit heavier, and just knowing the game (should help),” Whisenhunt said. “I think knowing our plan and knowing our offense. … He was playing catchup (last year) and it’s hard to do that when you are thrown into the wolves per se in camp, and he just never seemed to really catch up. He has been working from Day One not only on the physical part of it but the mental part of it as well.”

Whisenhunt said Sankey hit some nice runs during Wednesday’s workout at Saint Thomas Sports Park, and acknowledged he’s been better in pass protection as well.

 

[Bri]

Is Sankey running with the first team at OTAs? Any coach speak?

I'm not sure if Cobb went to rookie symposium, not everyone was invited and he might have been too late a pick.

With limited contact coaches generally spend OTAs working on the passing game and defense.

It's kind of premature to really judge anything. I wouldn't even imagine Cobb looks better in shorts as his game is more tough brutish which needs the contact.

Anyhow, from what I gather Fowler made the biggest impression. Any why draft a FB so early talk just completely stopped too.

It's wait and see on this supposed smashmouth offense and if they still use the single back set a lot. Those suit college Sankey but do not fit the rook we saw last year.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

According to ESPN Titans reporter Paul Kuharsky, Bishop Sankey has been working a "great deal" on taking the "right course" before and after handoffs.

"Just being in the right place, taking the right courses — those things will help," coach Ken Whisenhunt said. He's not wrong, but it's alarming this is something Sankey is still working on as a 22-year-old running back. Infamously, Sankey's footwork was also lacking as a rookie. Sankey was the first running back off the board in 2014, but apparently still doesn't have his fundamentals in order. Fifth-rounder David Cobb is a big-time threat to Sankey's No. 1 status.

Source: ESPN.com
Jun 1 - 2:54 PM

 

[beef]

Cobb did go to the rookie symp. He also tweaked his hammy and rested during one of the ota's. Couldn't find any more info on it so I'm assuming it wasn't a big deal.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Rotoworld:

According to ESPN Titans reporter Paul Kuharsky, Bishop Sankey has been working a "great deal" on taking the "right course" before and after handoffs.

"Just being in the right place, taking the right courses — those things will help," coach Ken Whisenhunt said. He's not wrong, but it's alarming this is something Sankey is still working on as a 22-year-old running back. Infamously, Sankey's footwork was also lacking as a rookie. Sankey was the first running back off the board in 2014, but apparently still doesn't have his fundamentals in order. Fifth-rounder David Cobb is a big-time threat to Sankey's No. 1 status.

No kidding it is alarming. Geez, didn't he get any coaching at Washington?

Source: ESPN.com

Jun 1 - 2:54 PM

 

[Bri]

Kuharsky suggests Sankey in Woodhead role, Cobb lead back...amidst this McCluster article

And now, Bishop Sankey may be given the first chance at that sort of role, with rookie David Cobb potentially winding up with the primary carries.

http://espn.go.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/14408/titans-rb-dexter-mccluster-needs-to-find-his-niche

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Kuharsky suggests Sankey in Woodhead role, Cobb lead back...amidst this McCluster article

And now, Bishop Sankey may be given the first chance at that sort of role, with rookie David Cobb potentially winding up with the primary carries.

http://espn.go.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/14408/titans-rb-dexter-mccluster-needs-to-find-his-niche

That article by Kuharsky did not have much substance. An off season piece of fluff writing.

 

[Bri]

Kuharsky suggests Sankey in Woodhead role, Cobb lead back...amidst this McCluster article

And now, Bishop Sankey may be given the first chance at that sort of role, with rookie David Cobb potentially winding up with the primary carries.

http://espn.go.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/14408/titans-rb-dexter-mccluster-needs-to-find-his-niche

That article by Kuharsky did not have much substance. An off season piece of fluff writing.

Yeah, it's a smidge early, OTAs end and then fluff pieces and opinions til TC.

By the time TC starts though, every FF site and most individuals will have their rankings.

Whisenhunt/Jason Michael have given us so very little to go on. Last year's disastrous OL performance combined with a very large number of new-comers on O have everyone guessing.

It seems Kuharsky went with he'll run his San Diego offense.

I think it'll be more Steelers like but something new entirely.

I think there's something up with the rookie FB being such a good athlete. They signed another top FB as a UDFA. It's possible these two start and Cobb and Sankey are sitting. Also, he could get oh 10 carries and be a real monkey wrench in FF predictions. They've mentioned his receiving ability and how he lined up as WR a few plays in college so I imagine a pre-snap shift like McCluster did last year where he lines up in the slot. On the radio, I think the host was saying they'd move him and/or use him on four or five plays to give the D something to worry about but he won't be competition to the runner.

Cobb hasn't even gone against the veterans in OTAs and OTAs are largely passing based without the contact so...yeah we'll all be stuck making guesses til things play out in camp.

The only thing Whisenhunt and Michael have given us is that they want to be able to play smashmouth football when they need to. They said it and went out and got the players (theoretically) to get the job done.

 

[cstu]

RB Bishop Sankey. I'm not saying he's ready for a breakout year after an underwhelming rookie season. But I have been impressed with his work in non-contact drills. When you consider he was absent last offseason because of school commitments, this has to be viewed as a positive.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2015/06/07/titans-marcus-mariota-zach-brown-bishop-sankey-perrish-cox/28637565/

 

[georg013]

I haven't bothered looking through this thread but I expect that nobody is still defending this kid as the best RB in the 2014 draft. What a disappointment. Sorry I'm not contributing anything meaningful. He has one season left on his rookie pass to become productive before we slap the bust label on him.

 

[cstu]

I haven't bothered looking through this thread but I expect that nobody is still defending this kid as the best RB in the 2014 draft. What a disappointment. Sorry I'm not contributing anything meaningful. He has one season left on his rookie pass to become productive before we slap the bust label on him.

That's the case with every RB.

 

[Bri]

If you watch today's presser on Titans site, please do, you can see what I've been saying

http://www.titansonline.com/video/videos/Ken-Whisenhunt-on-Working-Through-Tough-Practices/db8bcfc9-0d00-46b7-961b-1e3b5b160e58

You can see Whisenhunt's frustrated support (fading too) of Sankey overcoming mistakes he makes and then watch his face when Antonio Andrews is brought up.

Again, I don't know if Fowler and Cobb are better than Andrews, Sankey is still getting the first team reps and still the man here, but ...Andrews has won this coach over.

Production, not talk, will matter and that won't happen til camp and preseason but if ya ask me Andrews has a sneaky shot to win the job here

 

[Moonlight]

I listened to the presser. Certainly not a glowing endorsement of Sankey but I wouldn't take it that Andrews is a threat. Just do not see a RB who ran a 4.82 at the combine being legit as a lead back.

 

[Bri]

I listened to the presser. Certainly not a glowing endorsement of Sankey but I wouldn't take it that Andrews is a threat. Just do not see a RB who ran a 4.82 at the combine being legit as a lead back.

He led the NCAA in rushing yardage or combined yards or somesuch. We're not talking about a total slouch. Cobb isn't much faster.

Anywho, thanks for watching. I think FF people need to see that frustration on his face

 

[biju]

I listened to the presser. Certainly not a glowing endorsement of Sankey but I wouldn't take it that Andrews is a threat. Just do not see a RB who ran a 4.82 at the combine being legit as a lead back.

He led the NCAA in rushing yardage or combined yards or somesuch. We're not talking about a total slouch. Cobb isn't much faster.

Anywho, thanks for watching. I think FF people need to see that frustration on his face

I see this said often. I want to point out that Cobb injured his hamstring during his combine 40 yard dash and I believe his pro day is a little more indicative of his true 40 time (4.65) if you buy into what that means.

But I think everyone is working hard to read too much into an OTA presser. I believe Sankey will be given the opportunity to win/lose the job heading into the year.

 

[Bri]

I listened to the presser. Certainly not a glowing endorsement of Sankey but I wouldn't take it that Andrews is a threat. Just do not see a RB who ran a 4.82 at the combine being legit as a lead back.

He led the NCAA in rushing yardage or combined yards or somesuch. We're not talking about a total slouch. Cobb isn't much faster.

Anywho, thanks for watching. I think FF people need to see that frustration on his face

I see this said often. I want to point out that Cobb injured his hamstring during his combine 40 yard dash and I believe his pro day is a little more indicative of his true 40 time (4.65) if you buy into what that means.

But I think everyone is working hard to read too much into an OTA presser. I believe Sankey will be given the opportunity to win/lose the job heading into the year.

Yeah I don't disagree. He is the blue-chip

 

[LBH]

I'd rather bet on Cobb at this point.

 

[cstu]

“Being here the whole off-season has certainly helped. (Evaluating) running backs is really a little bit difficult, because when you get into pads is really when you get a chance to see them in the holes, and see them with protections,” Titans coach Ken Whisenhunt said. “Bishop is doing a good job with what we're asking him to do at this point. I like the way he's progressing and we're expecting him to have a good camp.”