Evilgrin 72
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Good God, my post was deleted. Amazingly, I seem to have avoided a suspension.ShamrockPride said:
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Hov34
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Did you lose all your likes that went with it? If so I just gave you one to make up for it. If not enjoy the free one. Happy Festivus.
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Evilgrin 72
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I can probably elucidate a bit.
In the past, the bannings/post deletions in this forum centered largely around trolling, personal attacks/insults, and NSFW content/language. I have both privately (to you) and publicly championed this, as I feel it really helped limit flame wars and discouraged people from posting here that existed solely to blast others and cause trouble. What remained was an intelligent, mostly well-intentioned group of posters and an environment that was unique among message boards.
Lately, things have changed. While I understand the desire to keep up with the times and provide a more PC culture, it's gone overboard. The collective here is a group of mostly 40+ men with degrees, careers, families. In other words, mature, responsible adults that enjoy the community aspect of this place. There's no need to legislate intent. I've been suspended and had posts deleted that contained no "bad" language, no insults towards anyone, no personal attacks, no trolling. Simply "off color" humor. In this thread, I didn't even make a joke, I just quoted a post and left it in the mind of the reader as to how the post could be interpreted a different way without context. Deleted.
Speaking only for myself, I went from making 50+ posts a day at this time last year to maybe 5 a week now. I have to re-think EVERYTHING I type. Many posts, that would have been a non-issue years ago and made people laugh, I've deleted without posting them for fear of another ban-hammer. It sucks, Joe. I can't be myself here anymore. It no longer feels like hanging out a bar with your friends, it feels like being in school or church, where you'll be chided for saying something "bad."
I used to see 100 people in one thread, now there are usually 35-40 on the board, period. People are leaving, and I'm sad to say that after 15+ years posting here, I'm likely to be next. I spend 90% of my time on other boards now that I enjoy more - that are more like this place used to be. If you are/were looking to turn this into a G-rated "Disneyfied" board, you're well on your way and congratulations. If not, turn the ship around and FAST. The point of no return is approaching rapidly.
Evilgrin 72
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I would have been interested to see how a suspension was justified for simply quoting a post without the nested quotes (and without comment) and leaving it to the reader to determine how else it could be interpreted. That could have ended up as FBG Case Law.
This:
I have no idea what he posted, but, if I had to guess it might have had something to do with sex or scantily clad women. A lot of western morals that include hang ups with sex and nudity are result of religion.
need2know
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I got suspended for a week a little while ago for making a statement that had no profanity and attacked no one. Boom suspended one week.
Yes I come here less now
I'll take a link to those other boards good buddy. This place is like a dry county for thirsty people, you just have to keep driving.
James Daulton
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What has this bored come to when EG needs to be the voice of reason to Joe and crew?
NotSmart
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Damn, I'd hate to see you leave EG.
But, sadly, I'd understand it.
It's near depressing now when I refresh the screen after 30-60 minutes and see how few posts have been made in the interim.
And equally sad when I look at the bottom of the screen and see how many people are active.... e.g. only 41 people right now on a FRIDAY morning. :(
Looks like you got suspended for "Cause they suck donkey ####"
That'll happen pretty much every time. And I know that's tame for most boards. And I've no idea if our way is the right way. But it's how we're trying to do it.
Andy Dufresne
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Evilgrin used the word "elucidate"? 
CletiusMaximus
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Evilgrin 72
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I'm not going to link to other boards, I'm really not trying to drive traffic away from here. I truly do love this place, or at least I once did. I play a lot of WW at Pack and have recently discovered a lot of other threads there that I plan to be more active in. A lot of FFAers over there that know how to be civil, but there aren't the constraints there are here. You can even say the F word in polite company. I also have been lurking on Reddit a lot, just reading moreso than posting.
Thanks EG. I appreciate you taking the time to elaborate. I know you care about the forum.
You may well be right in that it's changed more from the off-color "bar" or "locker room". It looks like the joke that was deleted was an intended joke about incest. That's not something we want to have here.
I do think there's a disconnect too on real names vs screen names.
While I've always been in favor of screen names as it allows an honesty that might not be there on sensitive things, the flip side to that is my real name is clearly here. And what gets posted here, right or wrong, is seen as at least tacitly condoned by me. Now I'm not up for a Supreme Court Justice spot, but the concept is still there. Words matter. And what one allows matters. I'd hate to see you leave as I like you and think you're a good guy. But we aren't able to allow this to be a place for off-color locker room talk.
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Evilgrin 72
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Evilgrin was an English/Political Science double major. He's also published in two languages, both poetry and prose, and did coursework at Rutgers College, Cornell, Columbia, and Johns Hopkins.Evilgrin used the word "elucidate"?
Being a drunken idiot and being a scholar/writer are not mutually exclusive. In fact, most great writers were/are drunks and/or drug abusers. Not that I put myself in that category, but it just proves that one can partake of the good life and still create art with the pen.
Evilgrin 72
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It wasn't incest, it was pedophilia. It was actually more a shot at Chuck E. Cheese's pizza than anything else, but it did have an undertone, I acknowledge that.
It's indicative of what's been going on. I've been here forever and I think people know I'm not a child pornographer or a pedophile. In fact, I love kids and do a ton of work in my private life to help abused and underprivileged children that I don't often talk about here. It was just a funny line designed to make people laugh, which it did. I don't think anyone doubted the intent behind it. Now, I get it if you don't want that on your board and if the post was deleted, que sera sera. I felt like banning me for 17 days over it was unwarranted, given my track record here and the fact that I'm a far cry from being a habitual line-stepper, but that's your call. It's also not the point.
I have a certain sense of humor that always seemed to fly here. A number of people seem to find my content amusing, and that's really my raison d'etre on this board. I like to make people smile, or better still - make them laugh. Every time someone posts a
smiley in response to one of my posts, I get a warm feeling inside because I know I helped make someone else's day just a touch brighter. Even if the difference was infinitesimal, it's a difference all the same. Now, I'm afraid to post much of anything humorous because I figure it will be deleted or I'll be banned again. So, when I do finally shuffle loose this particular mortal coil, it won't be out of spite or a matter of taking my ball and going home pouting. It's just because I feel like I have no place here anymore. That's entirely due to the more restrictive rules and the moral judgment/legislation that's going on. It will ultimately be the death of this forum, and I say this not as a parting shot, a threat, or anything sinister, just a warning. Not in the Biblical sense, but as one would advise a friend not to date a certain woman because she's trouble. Do with it what you will.
need2know
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yes. i made that statement about the dallas cowboys. and i stand by it. thanks for reposting it
Fishboy
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Ironically you can get banned for using that emoji now too btw.It wasn't incest, it was pedophilia. It was actually more a shot at Chuck E. Cheese's pizza than anything else, but it did have an undertone, I acknowledge that.
It's indicative of what's been going on. I've been here forever and I think people know I'm not a child pornographer or a pedophile. In fact, I love kids and do a ton of work in my private life to help abused and underprivileged children that I don't often talk about here. It was just a funny line designed to make people laugh, which it did. I don't think anyone doubted the intent behind it. Now, I get it if you don't want that on your board and if the post was deleted, que sera sera. I felt like banning me for 17 days over it was unwarranted, given my track record here and the fact that I'm a far cry from being a habitual line-stepper, but that's your call. It's also not the point.
I have a certain sense of humor that always seemed to fly here. A number of people seem to find my content amusing, and that's really my raison d'etre on this board. I like to make people smile, or better still - make them laugh. Every time someone posts a
So, when I do finally shuffle loose this particular mortal coil, it won't be out of spite or a matter of taking my ball and going home pouting. It's just because I feel like I have no place here anymore. That's entirely due to the more restrictive rules and the moral judgment/legislation that's going on. It will ultimately be the death of this forum, and I say this not as a parting shot, a threat, or anything sinister, just a warning. Not in the Biblical sense, but as one would advise a friend not to date a certain woman because she's trouble. Do with it what you will.
Evilgrin 72
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I also don't want to derail this thread or get into any Joe-bashing. It's his call in the end and though we may disagree on this one point, I have always liked and continue to like Joe a lot. I think he's a good man whose heart is in the right place. I just happen to think that things have reached the point of over-moderation, but my opinion isn't that important. It's Joe's board and his decisions to make and I understand his point about his name being on the marquee here. I simply feel like my time here is at an end and I think many of the other long-time denizens of this cozy nook in an otherwise caustic and hostile Internet are reaching the same conclusion. I genuinely hope there are others to fill the void when we long-timers are gone as I wish Joe and the whole FBG crew continued success and prosperity, and I mean that with all sincerity.
NotSmart
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Hey EG, I hope someday the environment here rediscovers a balance where you and many other good people that have left will someday be encouraged to return.
Losing old timers, one by one, is a small tragedy in a big world. For those who see it happening though, and care about it, a small tragedy it genuinely is.
There are 2 things I wanted to say while you are still here to see them:
1) In all honesty and sincerity, I greatly appreciated the way you and CurlyNight helped out Jason as much as you could. You'd think at my age I wouldn't need lessons like that anymore, but you'd be wrong. Maybe he was schtick, maybe not - but for the maybe not possibility, you were a good man and a good human being with him. I don't doubt that, in whatever way, it made a difference in his life. It made one in mine as well, because I'll long remember how you treated him, even in the face of criticism and puzzlement - and I'll strive to do the same when I run into situations like that in my life.
2) You are a fascinating person, one gifted in many ways, and I've genuinely enjoyed reading about your exploits and experiences. Our life experiences have been slightly different (lol), and mine is definitely richer for having had the fun of getting glimpses into and laughing along with yours. You, along with a few notable others on this board through the years, have especially made it an enjoyable, fun, and oddly educational place to spend time. For that I thank you and wish you and your brothers the very best. I hope someday you all retire and live with your houses close together.
belljr
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picked up a sous vide 
shuke
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My buddy and I actually came up with this idea circa 1990. I should have followed my dreams.
Thanks EG. No doubt at all about your sincerity and thank you for the kind words. I feel the same about you.
I think we probably agree more than you think. Looks like you've been warned 3 times in the very many years you've been here and 38,000+ posts you've made here. The last one was in the summer for a pedophilia joke that was clearly over the line for what anyone is allowed to post here. Other comments may have been deleted from you but with no warning.
So the warnings are infrequent. However, I do think there's been a change on the forums as you say from the off-color lockerroom type talk to being more aware and even sensitive. Many years ago, we had a Russian Bride draft. Not proud of that but it's reality. We have changed things like that. And we've tried to do our best to be clear there as to what we allow. I don't know if it's the political climate changing or us just changing. Or some mixture of both. I just know it's how we're trying to have the board be.
And I feel I should be honest and tell folks I don't see us changing directions there. I understand clearly what you're saying about the friendly warning and I see it as just that. But I have to say I'm pretty resolute we'll never change to a place where things way over the line, like a pedophilia joke or racist or hateful stuff is allowed. For that, it's my opinion we haven't changed very much there. And for the things we have changed on, I don't see us ever changing back to the who's hottest or yoga pants type threads.
Thank you for taking the time to share. I'm thankful for you and a great many others being part of the board. This thing exists because people like you contribute and I hope you'll continue. Thank you.
Evilgrin 72
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Evilgrin 72
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Thanks Joe. I feel like had the current climate existed for the better part of the last 15 years, I probably would have been warned 10 times as often. Maybe that's just my perception, but I don't want to become a "problem child" here. I've seen them and I've never wanted to be that. However, I also know myself - I've gotten in trouble IRL more times than I wish to share because I can't resist trying to make people laugh, even if the forum (I mean that in the larger sense) isn't always appropriate for me to do so. I can't (or don't want to) change myself, so it's probably best I change the venue.
Sorry for the hijack, everyone - this should have been its own thread or in a different thread at the very least. Please return to posting screaming deals for Christmas gifts.
belljr
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And EG's tiny underpants!@#!@#Sorry for the hijack, everyone - this should have been its own thread or in a different thread at the very least. Please return to posting screaming deals for Christmas gifts.
Peace. Thanks.Thanks Joe. I feel like had the current climate existed for the better part of the last 15 years, I probably would have been warned 10 times as often. Maybe that's just my perception, but I don't want to become a "problem child" here. I've seen them and I've never wanted to be that. However, I also know myself - I've gotten in trouble IRL more times than I wish to share because I can't resist trying to make people laugh, even if the forum (I mean that in the larger sense) isn't always appropriate for me to do so. I can't (or don't want to) change myself, so it's probably best I change the venue.
Sorry for the hijack, everyone - this should have been its own thread or in a different thread at the very least. Please return to posting screaming deals for Christmas gifts.
TheFanatic
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I just shrugged when I saw it and chuckled a little bit. I was by no means bothered by that.
TheFanatic
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I'd like links too. I'd like to go find a place where judging women I will never meet on the internet is allowed. Then again, I still like to go to bars with my wife to people watch (AKA make fun of complete strangers behind their backs). So to me, a Russian Bride draft or a who's hottest thread are just fun diversions.
AAABatteries
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Woah - you're running for office, aren't you? The Yoga Pants thread was going to be your Nixon White House Tapes and EG was going to be Deep Throat. It all makes sense now!
Diversions that are completely normal. Weird how Joe touts the Russian Bride draft as something he's ashamed of. It's completely legal, helped pioneering men in our country's early history and now helps impoverished women in other countries. And god forbid that one of the things that attracts men to women is how they look and how dare we talk about it.
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belljr
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skol asylum
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Until it's 100% legal in every state, I don't think discussion about pot will fly here guy.
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