***Official*** Broken Promises to the Trumpettes (2 Viewers)

[Soonerman]

I'm strongly pro life, but I voted for a pro choice candidate for president in the recent election because I agreed with that candidate more on other issues.  Am I now a hypocritical sham?  Just trying to understand the ground rules regarding sham-ness.

 

[Slapdash]

When you're not feeling well, you don't want the doctor to just fix the symptoms, you want him to cure the disease.

Trump is backing off some of his promises because he needs to heal the division.  Of course, he realizes the limitation of the Presidency, but I like that he cares about what all Americans want, and not only his own supporters.

There are many different things which can be done to fix each problem, but one thing Trump and Congress will decide is where and how to use the budget.  I am looking to see some changes there.

Instead, you're just going to get a repeat of W's first few years.  Massive tax cuts for the wealthy and a push to privatization.  Debt will rise sharply.

 

[Dedfin]

I have found pro-life generally means "keep the fetus alive until you give birth, then you are on your own".  Not sure where you fall on that Soonerman

 

[Soonerman]

I have found pro-life generally means "keep the fetus alive until you give birth, then you are on your own".  Not sure where you fall on that Soonerman

I have found people who say this are unduly generalizing.

 

[Dedfin]

I have found people who say this are unduly generalizing.

I have found people that say that are exactly what I expect them to be

 

[Soonerman]

I have found people that say that are exactly what I expect them to be

You should educate yourself more.

 

[Dedfin]

You should educate yourself more.

We all do, right?

 

[Soonerman]

We all do, right?

Absolutely.  Like for instance I can't ever find any pro life organizations of any influence that tell mothers that they are "on their own" after giving birth, yet I constantly hear that they exist.

 

[Dedfin]

Absolutely.  Like for instance I can't ever find any pro life organizations of any influence that tell mothers that they are "on their own" after giving birth, yet I constantly hear that they exist.

That's cute.  And a lie.

 

[Soonerman]

That's cute.  And a lie.

Maybe you could educate me by pointing them out.

 

[Dedfin]

Maybe you could educate me by pointing them out.

Well, you might be impervious to truth, but I'll try.  here you go

 

[Soonerman]

Well, you might be impervious to truth, but I'll try.  here you go

So you call me a liar, and this is what you come back with?

Typical.

 

[Dedfin]

So you call me a liar, and this is what you come back with?

Typical.

You should educate yourself more

 

[Soonerman]

You should educate yourself more

When you make a specific claim like you did, you might want to have, you know, evidence to back up the specific claim.  It helps your credibility.  HTH.

 

[Dedfin]

When you make a specific claim like you did, you might want to have, you know, evidence to back up the specific claim.  It helps your credibility.  HTH.

We aren't going to see eye to eye.  Let's stop polluting the thread with this.

 

[Dedfin]

If writing The Art of the Deal is a qualifier for you. You might find this article in the New Yorker interesting. It doesn't sound like Tony Schwartz, the ghost writer, would have voted for Trump.

New Yorker article

Riversco, like Stat, like lod is 100% shtick.

 

[GoBirds]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/?page=1

Why  not nitpick before he is even in office......I mean the bar has been set awfully high.

 

[MaxThreshold]

We aren't going to see eye to eye.  Let's stop polluting the thread with this.

Is this your out when you can't come up with any proof?

 

[The Future Champs]

Minor stuff, but kinda funny anyways:

Trump official lies about Elton John playing inauguration.

 

[JIslander]

When you're not feeling well, you don't want the doctor to just fix the symptoms, you want him to cure the disease.

Trump is backing off some of his promises because he needs to heal the division.  Of course, he realizes the limitation of the Presidency, but I like that he cares about what all Americans want, and not only his own supporters.

There are many different things which can be done to fix each problem, but one thing Trump and Congress will decide is where and how to use the budget.  I am looking to see some changes there.

And if Trump ran his Presidency as if he  "cares about what ALL Americans want" he would have lost.  Sure gays, muslims, immigrants, blacks, LGBT folks weren't part of his America during the campaign, because he had to sell his core supporters they were all that mattered. 

 

[JIslander]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/?page=1

Why  not nitpick before he is even in office......I mean the bar has been set awfully high.

SO many of those are humanitarian based, it's really quite sad. 8 years of obstruction.

And like the ACA, a lot of those will just be rebranded with Trump's name when the black pres. leaves.

 

[beavers]

Minor stuff, but kinda funny anyways:

Trump official lies about Elton John playing inauguration.

Added to the list 

 

[JIslander]

So it's down to Ted Nugent or Motley Crue? 

 

[GoBirds]

SO many of those are humanitarian based, it's really quite sad. 8 years of obstruction.

And like the ACA, a lot of those will just be rebranded with Trump's name when the black pres. leaves.

Making excuses?  What a surprise. 

 

[beavers]

I'm wondering if we need a separate thread that lists Trump's political decisions relative to his own personal gain. 

 

[JIslander]

Making excuses?  What a surprise. 

Nope http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Isn't there a big difference between a promise that you don't achieve but actually would have liked as compared to a promise that you could achieve but decide not to try?

 

[Road Warriors]

SO many of those are humanitarian based, it's really quite sad. 8 years of obstruction.

And like the ACA, a lot of those will just be rebranded with Trump's name when the black pres. leaves.

Obama's initial Congressional breakdown

In the November 4, 2008 elections, the Democratic Party increased its majorities in both chambers, giving President Obama a Democratic majority in the legislature for the first two years of his presidency.

Obstructed by his own party?  Interesting take.  2 years unfettered access with both houses, including a short period of a filibuster proof ( 60 seat ) senate.  Let's not rewrite history.  

Trump comes in with fewer senate seats than Obama enjoyed at his inauguration.  

 

[beavers]

Isn't there a big difference between a promise that you don't achieve but actually would have liked as compared to a promise that you could achieve but decide not to try?

Yes. Add in "would have liked and tried..."

 

[JIslander]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress

"If he was for it, we had to be against it"

 

[GoBirds]

Nope http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/

Doesn't change the fact there are 7 full pages of unkept promises. 

 

[JIslander]

Doesn't change the fact there are 7 full pages of unkept promises. 

Trump's not even in office yet and he's closing in on 2 pages...

 

[GoBirds]

Trump's not even in office yet and he's closing in on 2 pages...

Nice try. Don't throw stones. 

 

[JIslander]

Nice try. Don't throw stones. 

I hear ya. Trump will need the gravel supply for the wall.

 

[GoBirds]

I hear ya. Trump will need the gravel supply for the wall.

The facts don't help you so you keep whining. I get it. Going on week 4 now?

 

[Boston]

The promise of a liberal meltdown has definitely been kept...

 

[JIslander]

I love the arm chair GOP bravado. Let us know when Hillary is in jail.

 

[Glass Joe]

The facts don't help you so you keep whining. I get it. Going on week 4 now?

Which broken promises in the list do you disagree as broken?

 

[massraider]

I love the arm chair GOP bravado. Let us know when Hillary is in jail.

As soon as Trump is President, she's in jail.

:sniff:

:SNIFF:

 

[MaxThreshold]

As soon as Trump is President, she's in jail.

:sniff:

:SNIFF:

Is this what you're reduced too now?  Thinking that this is actually an issue?  The fact that she lost is good enough for most people.  If she goes to jail, GREAT!, but I doubt anyone is actually expecting this too happen.

 

[JIslander]

Is this what you're reduced too now?  Thinking that this is actually an issue?  The fact that she lost is good enough for most people.  If she goes to jail, GREAT!, but I doubt anyone is actually expecting this too happen.

How do you know he didn't clinch Montana or N.Dakota with that promise? Seriously, who is your "most people"?

 

[MaxThreshold]

How do you know he didn't clinch Montana or N.Dakota with that promise? Seriously, who is your "most people"?

How do you know he DID?  

Also, "most people" = conservatives.  Hillary Clinton is done.  At this point, her not getting the Presidency and having her just go away and disappear is the victory.

 

[massraider]

Remember how we read all campaign from his supporters that his promises were all election devices, hyperbole, and that he wasn't actually going to build a wall, put her in jail, or drain the swamp?

ME EITHER!!

Those 20,000 mouth breathers at the rallys, you bet your sweet bippy they thought there was a wall going up.  

Just another liar, this one was just more approachable for the knuckleheads, because you know, he's dumb.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Remember how we read all campaign from his supporters that his promises were all election devices, hyperbole, and that he wasn't actually going to build a wall, put her in jail, or drain the swamp?

ME EITHER!!

Those 20,000 mouth breathers at the rallys, you bet your sweet bippy they thought there was a wall going up.  

Just another liar, this one was just more approachable for the knuckleheads, because you know, he's dumb.

 

[massraider]

 

[JIslander]

How do you know he DID?  

Also, "most people" = conservatives.  Hillary Clinton is done.  At this point, her not getting the Presidency and having her just go away and disappear is the victory.

Look, I voted for Bernie in the Primaries and not at all crying she isn't in. But yes not pleased a 5 year old is now President elect. Time to move on from Clinton's but think it's amusing the Clinton haters/ Trump "supporters" think his promises were only rhetoric.  How many rallies did we NOT hear "lock her up"?  and of course Trump didnt mean about mexican being rapists and murderers, but yes, Hillary meant diplorables.

 

[Apple Jack]

The promise of a liberal meltdown has definitely been kept...

There are plenty of Republicans who can't believe you fools put this completely fos clown into the White House.

 

[-jb-]

I'm wondering if we need a separate thread that lists Trump's political decisions relative to his own personal gain. 

This is really what I'm most interested in tracking.  His history of system manipulation and shady business practices, in my opinion, represent the biggest risk. 

 

[Loan Sharks]

Obama's initial Congressional breakdown

Hello exactly. It is comical that the democrats blame obstruction when they had the ability to pass anything they wanted to for 2 years , and they passed the obamacare abomination. Everything else was "blocked" What a joke. 

 

[Loan Sharks]

Which broken promises in the list do you disagree as broken?

All of them. Obama attempted to close Gitmo 7.5 years later. It would not have been broken if he has succeeded. None of these promises are broken until the timer expires. Also he made no promises in the first place so there is that.