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*** Official Chargers 2023 Thread - Had A VERY Nice Season *** (1 Viewer)
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
Why would you leave out Friday's game? Over the course of all 3 games Dotson got 18 attempts, Spiller got 15, against the same defenses. Dotson outperformed Spiller across the board. He looked better than Spiller doing it too, displaying better speed, better decisiveness, more adeptness at driving forward after contact, etc, except in receiving the ball.
Tau837
Footballguy
They didn't play the same defenses. They didn't play at the same times of the game. Dotson's big game in preseason game 1 was against guys who were playing for one of the worst teams in the league this season who mostly won't even make their practice squad.
I'm happy to agree to disagree. IMO Spiller clearly showed more. He should and will make the final 53, and I expect Dotson to be waived and signed to the practice squad.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I realize not all opportunities are equal, but Dotson's done more with his than Spiller. Friday they pretty much played at the same time of the game. Dotson had 6 carries, Spiller had 5. Dotson averaged 5.5 ypc, Spiller averaged 2.8. Spiller clearly hasn't shown more this preseason IMO. You're probably right about how they'll end up on the roster, I hope Dotson makes it to the practice squad. Given that somehow Roundtree got picked up immediately on release, I'm concerned Dotson will get taken by someone else if exposed.
They didn't play the same defenses. They didn't play at the same times of the game. Dotson's big game in preseason game 1 was against guys who were playing for one of the worst teams in the league this season who mostly won't even make their practice squad.
I'm happy to agree to disagree. IMO Spiller clearly showed more. He should and will make the final 53, and I expect Dotson to be waived and signed to the practice squad.
Tau837
Footballguy
I realize not all opportunities are equal, but Dotson's done more with his than Spiller. Friday they pretty much played at the same time of the game. Dotson had 6 carries, Spiller had 5. Dotson averaged 5.5 ypc, Spiller averaged 2.8. Spiller clearly hasn't shown more this preseason IMO. You're probably right about how they'll end up on the roster, I hope Dotson makes it to the practice squad. Given that somehow Roundtree got picked up immediately on release, I'm concerned Dotson will get taken by someone else if exposed.
They didn't play the same defenses. They didn't play at the same times of the game. Dotson's big game in preseason game 1 was against guys who were playing for one of the worst teams in the league this season who mostly won't even make their practice squad.
I'm happy to agree to disagree. IMO Spiller clearly showed more. He should and will make the final 53, and I expect Dotson to be waived and signed to the practice squad.
Like I said, I will agree to disagree. There is no question in my mind that Spiller makes the final 53 and Dotson doesn't.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Internets are saying Dotson made the 53.
They didn't play the same defenses. They didn't play at the same times of the game. Dotson's big game in preseason game 1 was against guys who were playing for one of the worst teams in the league this season who mostly won't even make their practice squad.
I'm happy to agree to disagree. IMO Spiller clearly showed more. He should and will make the final 53, and I expect Dotson to be waived and signed to the practice squad.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Here's the 53 official:
Quarterbacks (2): Justin Herbert, Easton Stick
Running Backs (4): Austin Ekeler, Joshua Kelley, Isaiah Spiller, Elijah Dotson
Fullbacks (1): Zander Horvath
Wide Receivers (5): Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Josh Palmer, Quentin Johnston, Derius Davis
Tight Ends (4): Gerald Everett, Donald Parham, Tre’ McKitty, Stone Smartt
Offensive Linemen (9): Rashawn Slater, Zion Johnson, Corey Linsley, Jamaree Salyer, Trey Pipkins, Will Clapp, Brenden Jaimes, Jordan McFadden, Foster Sarell
Defensive Linemen (6): Sebastian Joseph-Day, Austin Johnson, Morgan Fox, Nick Williams, Scott Matlock, Christopher Hinton
Edge Rushers (4): Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Chris Rumph II, Tuli Tuipulotu
Linebackers (5): Eric Kendricks, Keneth Murray, Daiyan Henley, Amen Ogbongbemiga, Nick Niemann
Cornerbacks (5): J.C. Jackson, Asante Samuel Jr., Michael Davis, Ja’Sir Taylor, Deane Leonard
Safeties (5): Derwin James, Alohi Gilman, JT Woods, AJ Finley, Raheem Layne
Special Teams (3): Cameron Dicker, JK Scott, Josh Harris
Jaimes and Sarell
- I'm hoping they find better than these after cuts.
I have virtually no idea what Finley and Layne can do.
Clark didn't make the cut, hope he gets through to the practice squad.
Sounds like Doss will be signed to the practice squad.
Quarterbacks (2): Justin Herbert, Easton Stick
Running Backs (4): Austin Ekeler, Joshua Kelley, Isaiah Spiller, Elijah Dotson
Fullbacks (1): Zander Horvath
Wide Receivers (5): Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Josh Palmer, Quentin Johnston, Derius Davis
Tight Ends (4): Gerald Everett, Donald Parham, Tre’ McKitty, Stone Smartt
Offensive Linemen (9): Rashawn Slater, Zion Johnson, Corey Linsley, Jamaree Salyer, Trey Pipkins, Will Clapp, Brenden Jaimes, Jordan McFadden, Foster Sarell
Defensive Linemen (6): Sebastian Joseph-Day, Austin Johnson, Morgan Fox, Nick Williams, Scott Matlock, Christopher Hinton
Edge Rushers (4): Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Chris Rumph II, Tuli Tuipulotu
Linebackers (5): Eric Kendricks, Keneth Murray, Daiyan Henley, Amen Ogbongbemiga, Nick Niemann
Cornerbacks (5): J.C. Jackson, Asante Samuel Jr., Michael Davis, Ja’Sir Taylor, Deane Leonard
Safeties (5): Derwin James, Alohi Gilman, JT Woods, AJ Finley, Raheem Layne
Special Teams (3): Cameron Dicker, JK Scott, Josh Harris
Jaimes and Sarell
- I'm hoping they find better than these after cuts.I have virtually no idea what Finley and Layne can do.
Clark didn't make the cut, hope he gets through to the practice squad.
Sounds like Doss will be signed to the practice squad.
Tau837
Footballguy
Here's the 53 official:
Quarterbacks (2): Justin Herbert, Easton Stick
Running Backs (4): Austin Ekeler, Joshua Kelley, Isaiah Spiller, Elijah Dotson
Fullbacks (1): Zander Horvath
Wide Receivers (5): Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Josh Palmer, Quentin Johnston, Derius Davis
Tight Ends (4): Gerald Everett, Donald Parham, Tre’ McKitty, Stone Smartt
Offensive Linemen (9): Rashawn Slater, Zion Johnson, Corey Linsley, Jamaree Salyer, Trey Pipkins, Will Clapp, Brenden Jaimes, Jordan McFadden, Foster Sarell
Defensive Linemen (6): Sebastian Joseph-Day, Austin Johnson, Morgan Fox, Nick Williams, Scott Matlock, Christopher Hinton
Edge Rushers (4): Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Chris Rumph II, Tuli Tuipulotu
Linebackers (5): Eric Kendricks, Keneth Murray, Daiyan Henley, Amen Ogbongbemiga, Nick Niemann
Cornerbacks (5): J.C. Jackson, Asante Samuel Jr., Michael Davis, Ja’Sir Taylor, Deane Leonard
Safeties (5): Derwin James, Alohi Gilman, JT Woods, AJ Finley, Raheem Layne
Special Teams (3): Cameron Dicker, JK Scott, Josh Harris
Jaimes and Sarell
I have virtually no idea what Finley and Layne can do.
Clark didn't make the cut, hope he gets through to the practice squad.
Sounds like Doss will be signed to the practice squad.
I knew Sarell and Layne would make it. Deservedly so for Layne.
Very surprised they kept Jaimes over Bailey. I hope Bailey makes it through waivers and makes it to the practice squad.
Even more surprised that Finley made it over CB Johnson and S Webb. That is a shocker.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
What's Layne's deal? All I know about him is that he appears to be James's backup.
Tau837
Footballguy
Core special teams player and also flashed on defense in camp/preseason. I have felt he was a final roster lock for months.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Did you see Sproles saying the Chargers won't "get over the hump" basically because Staley isn't a good enough coach?
I'd like to think there will be repercussions for Staley if the Chargers don't win a playoff game or two this year. This is the best roster they've had in a while.
I'd like to think there will be repercussions for Staley if the Chargers don't win a playoff game or two this year. This is the best roster they've had in a while.
Tau837
Footballguy
I saw it. It's clickbait IMO and not worth anyone's time. I appreciate Sproles for his time as a Charger, but, frankly, who cares what he thinks about the Chargers now? His comments make him sound uninformed, which I'm sure is true. There is no reason to care further about it IMO.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
12 signed to the practice squad so far today:
Many crowd pleasers here. No Brown or Kemp yet though.
Not surprised, but not happy that Duggan was retained. I think it's a waste. He's not going to help win games if he has to play for some reason, even with more time in the system.
Oddly I'm most happy that they retained Clark. I hope he earns his way onto the 53 as I think he could help shore up the run D as a legit NT. Seems like he doesn't fit the scheme, but still.
- EDGE Brevin Allen
- EDGE Andrew Farmer
- WR Terrell Bynum
- DT Jerrod Clark
- DT Christian Covington
- DT CJ Okoye
- OT/G Austen Pleasants
- TE Hunter Kampmoyer
- WR Keelan Doss
- QB Max Duggan
- CB Matt Hankins
- OT/G Zack Bailey
Many crowd pleasers here. No Brown or Kemp yet though.
Not surprised, but not happy that Duggan was retained. I think it's a waste. He's not going to help win games if he has to play for some reason, even with more time in the system.
Oddly I'm most happy that they retained Clark. I hope he earns his way onto the 53 as I think he could help shore up the run D as a legit NT. Seems like he doesn't fit the scheme, but still.
Tau837
Footballguy
Wow, that is a big surprise to me. Horvath was a core special teams player. They must think Muse is better at that, since he surely is not going to play ILB.
Tau837
Footballguy
So they still have 5 more ST slots, since Okoye doesn't count. I guess Horvath will probably get one of them.
I hope CBs Brown and Mullen are signed.
I don't think Kemp will be back. I expect him to seek opportunity elsewhere.
Very glad to see Bailey and Clark signed, in particular.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Seems about right? TD wise tough to argue and the Chargers use of Ekler in the passing game justifies the high first round ADP.
Tau837
Footballguy
I wouldn't take him as the #2 RB. I'd take Chubb and Bijan before Ekeler. And I'd take a number of WRs before him.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Chargers sign three guys:
Seems like they've been around a while and not exactly accomplished a whole lot. I get needing guys to play special teams, but filling up your practice squad with them?
Seems like they've been around a while and not exactly accomplished a whole lot. I get needing guys to play special teams, but filling up your practice squad with them?
Hugsy_Malone
Footballguy
Alex Erickson is an interesting name. Former Bengal and recently a member of the Jets. Seems like whenever he gets in a game, he flashes. He's a vet, though, and I'm not sure what you'll get out of him. That said, I've always sort of seen the name and been like, "Oh yeah, that guy. That guy is pretty good and underrated." Obviously, coming from the Bengals, he was caught in a logjam. Coming from the Jets, not so much.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
They have decent depth at receiver, but why does this team seem to ignore speed? Seems like adding a deep threat would really threaten the defense with Herbert’s ability to push the ball down the field.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I just think they are going to have some major regret not taking Zay Flowers over QJ. He would have a great fit for Herbert’s arm and is a much better talent overall. Also offers something different than what they currently have.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
Henley and Rumph doubtful. I guess they'll pull up an edge rusher from the practice squad. Think they'll call up something else if both can't go?
Dolphins are in worse shape injury wise. Hopefully the Chargers can take advantage.
Things I'm most interested in seeing: if / how they utilize Davis on offense, how JC Jackson looks on defense. I think Belichik schemes DBs to perform better than they would on most other teams, so I'm still not sure what to expect from him, especially after injury.
Dolphins are in worse shape injury wise. Hopefully the Chargers can take advantage.
Things I'm most interested in seeing: if / how they utilize Davis on offense, how JC Jackson looks on defense. I think Belichik schemes DBs to perform better than they would on most other teams, so I'm still not sure what to expect from him, especially after injury.
Tau837
Footballguy
I think they will elevate an Edge player from the practice squad. If that is the only elevation, they will need 6 inactives. I predict:
Edge Rumph - not healthy
ILB Henley - not healthy
IDL Hinton - 6th IDL will usually be inactive, and I'm assuming Hinton is #6
S Finley - 10th DB will usually be inactive, and I'm assuming Finley is #10
OL Jaimes - 9th OL will usually be inactive, and I'm assuming Jaimes is #9
RB Dotson - 4th RB will usually be inactive
Miami is missing LT Armstead as well as RB1 Wilson, so I'm expecting their offense to struggle. They are also missing CB1 Ramsey, which will help the Chargers WRs.
I predict a Chargers win, 27-17.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I was thinking 31-17, this season I think they'll be better at getting tds instead of field goals.
Tau837
Footballguy
I think they will be content to manage this game to a win with a good amount of running.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
That was one of the most miserable, embarrassing halves of defense I've seen this team play.
Maybe its a brilliant coaching sceme that the players have been completely unable to execute. Maybe it's a horrific defensive game plan. Guys are wide open in the middle of the field on every play. The dolphins have basically abandoned the run, and the Chargers are getting zero pressure. Astounding.
Maybe its a brilliant coaching sceme that the players have been completely unable to execute. Maybe it's a horrific defensive game plan. Guys are wide open in the middle of the field on every play. The dolphins have basically abandoned the run, and the Chargers are getting zero pressure. Astounding.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
7 lead changes
Playoff level football Week 1
Playoff level football Week 1
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I'm not 100% sure that Staley is a bad coach, but I'm now certain he's not a good coach. Maybe he's a mediocre coach. But I'm leaning more toward Staley being a bad coach, and I don't see him improving. I think he's trying, I just don't think he's capable. And without at least a good coach, chances for meaningful success are almost nil. So this will be another wasted season.
Anyways, this organization is bad at decision making from top to bottom when and where it matters the most. From Spanos to J.C. Jackson and every stop between. It's been this way at least since Spanos bought the team, possibly even longer than that.
This is to say, after a 45 year ride, I'm finally done following this team, at least for the near term. It's just not worth the time investment to aggravation ratio. Maybe I'll come back if there's an ownership change.
Feel free to start up a new thread under control of someone who'll actually be paying attention to them this season. I've put a summary thread title up in case whoever's left here just wants to ride out 2023 with this one.
See you in the FFA.
Anyways, this organization is bad at decision making from top to bottom when and where it matters the most. From Spanos to J.C. Jackson and every stop between. It's been this way at least since Spanos bought the team, possibly even longer than that.
This is to say, after a 45 year ride, I'm finally done following this team, at least for the near term. It's just not worth the time investment to aggravation ratio. Maybe I'll come back if there's an ownership change.
Feel free to start up a new thread under control of someone who'll actually be paying attention to them this season. I've put a summary thread title up in case whoever's left here just wants to ride out 2023 with this one.
See you in the FFA.
Tau837
Footballguy
It's only 1 game. And both KC and CIN lost. The offense was great, most balanced attack in the NFL yesterday. Give the new d-coordinator some time to fix things.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Staley is the d-coordinator. He's had 2 and a half years to fix things. Yesterday was the result of his efforts to date in that area. A competent d-coordinator would have at least made some adjustments at half time to compensate for the miserable game plan and execution evident in the 1st half. Yet he couldn't even pull that off. I've seen enough. I know how this story ends.
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Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Horrible defense aside, if you expect to play for championships you have to score when you get the ball with a chance to win and 2 mins remaining in the game. That last series, which was all I actually got to see, was terrible. Herbert included.
Tau837
Footballguy
The defensive performance was bad for so many reasons.
When the 2021 defense was bad, the general excuse was that Staley didn't have the right players to fit his scheme. I never liked that argument, believing that a good coach can adjust scheme to fit the players he's got.
When the 2022 defense was bad, the general excuse was injuries. There was also talk that players need time together in the defensive scheme.
None of those things could possibly be used to excuse Sunday's performance.
What's worse, Staley actually prepared and executed an outstanding game plan against Miami last season, but chose to completely change that successful game plan for Sunday's game... and then chose not to adjust back to that successful game plan when it became apparent the new game plan was not working at all.
Fortunately for Staley, the Titans have a lousy offense with a lousy QB. So this week is likely to look like a nice rebound performance for the defense. I'll believe it when I see the defense play well against a good offense.
When the 2021 defense was bad, the general excuse was that Staley didn't have the right players to fit his scheme. I never liked that argument, believing that a good coach can adjust scheme to fit the players he's got.
When the 2022 defense was bad, the general excuse was injuries. There was also talk that players need time together in the defensive scheme.
None of those things could possibly be used to excuse Sunday's performance.
What's worse, Staley actually prepared and executed an outstanding game plan against Miami last season, but chose to completely change that successful game plan for Sunday's game... and then chose not to adjust back to that successful game plan when it became apparent the new game plan was not working at all.
Fortunately for Staley, the Titans have a lousy offense with a lousy QB. So this week is likely to look like a nice rebound performance for the defense. I'll believe it when I see the defense play well against a good offense.
Tau837
Footballguy
Here's another thing.
Kenneth Murray is terrible. Everyone knows this. Using PFF grades as a proxy, consider his grades in his first 3 seasons:
Staley took over and installed his defensive scheme in 2021. Murray is clearly unable to play this scheme effectively.
Are they playing Murray because the front office insists they play him? If not, it reflects really negatively on Staley's ability to judge his own players' performance.
I assume the coaching staff will start playing Henley over Murray as soon as he gets healthy. But they can't wait for that. They need to replace him now. On Sunday, given the track meet they were in with Miami, they should have played an extra DB in his place for most of those snaps.
It's frustrating to watch...
Kenneth Murray is terrible. Everyone knows this. Using PFF grades as a proxy, consider his grades in his first 3 seasons:
- 2022 - 47.1, tied for #102 out of 117 graded LBs who played at least 100 defensive snaps
- 2021 - 34.0, #118 out of 126 graded LBs who played at least 100 defensive snaps
- 2020 - 54.4, tied for #57 out of 120 graded LBs who played at least 100 defensive snaps
Staley took over and installed his defensive scheme in 2021. Murray is clearly unable to play this scheme effectively.
Are they playing Murray because the front office insists they play him? If not, it reflects really negatively on Staley's ability to judge his own players' performance.
I assume the coaching staff will start playing Henley over Murray as soon as he gets healthy. But they can't wait for that. They need to replace him now. On Sunday, given the track meet they were in with Miami, they should have played an extra DB in his place for most of those snaps.
It's frustrating to watch...
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
As I was saying...
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I was all aboard Herbert turning into a top QB this year as I thought the play calling and injuries set him back last season. Although he did not play bad, he needs to put the franchise on his back during those moments and he failed to do so. With each loss the negativity and pressure mounts, I hope he can answer the bell as he has the physical tools to be one of the best.
Tau837
Footballguy
IMO that 4th down decision was possibly the worst decision Staley has made as Chargers head coach, and that is saying a lot. And I thought that before knowing the outcome of the play.
Fortunately, the Vikings out Chargered the Chargers at the end, rushing into an interception when they didn't have to.
Fortunately, the Vikings out Chargered the Chargers at the end, rushing into an interception when they didn't have to.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Arrest Warrant Issued For Los Angeles Chargers CB J.C. Jackson
www.totalprosports.com
BREAKING: Arrest Warrant Issued For Los Angeles Chargers CB J.C. Jackson
Chargers cornerback J.C. Jackson has an arrest warrant issued for him in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts for violating his probation.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Tuli Tuipulotu generated 10 pressures in the Chargers Week 3 victory over the Vikings, tied for the 2nd-most by a rookie pass rusher in a game in the NGS era.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Imagine a world where Minnesota did not have interest in resigning JJ and the Chargers had the ability to trade for him and the cap to team him up with Herbert for the next 5 years…
Just dreaming out loud… Mike Williams being out for the year is going to make it a tough road. They need to add someone. Michael Pittman also on last year of contract….just in case the brass reads these forums…
Just dreaming out loud… Mike Williams being out for the year is going to make it a tough road. They need to add someone. Michael Pittman also on last year of contract….just in case the brass reads these forums…
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Starting C Corey Linsley is dealing with a non-emergent heart-related medical issue and will be placed on IR tomorrow.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I don't recall a team run so poorly that managed to acquire this much talent.
It's like the universe keeps saying "Here, be a contender" and they keep saying "Nah, we're good."
It's like the universe keeps saying "Here, be a contender" and they keep saying "Nah, we're good."
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