That's what he is. Anyway, he's listed as a WR in a lot of places. That's more reasonable to me than CB.
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That's what he is. Anyway, he's listed as a WR in a lot of places. That's more reasonable to me than CB.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
I think that's where he's going to end up and what the Bears had in mind when they drafted him though. Special teams, nickel packages, etc.
:X I think he will be a colossal bust if that is true
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
The guy is an amazing athlete. If you watched the Bears return game and defensive backfield when other teams used 3 and 4 receivers sets...you would understand why they are targeting these kinds of players.Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
Okay, Pope has dropped WAY below where I saw him going. I never expected Scheffler to go before he did.
Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
Aaaand there goes Pope to the Cardinals. Nice. 
being an amazing athlete doesn't make someone a great cornerback. if he can't cover WRs in college, why is he going to be able to cover guys in the pros? Miami churns out pro-quality CBs like crazy and they couldn't do anything with this guy. As amazing as he was in 2004, he was very mediocre in 2005.The Bears addressed their needs for a returner when they drafted Manning. They probably could have gotten Hester in the late 3rd or possibly on day 2. I don't think he'll be anything more than a return specialist...although they might design some trick plays for him on offense.
Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
Dvoracek? Seriously? This is ####### stupid.
Dvoracek has some skills...doesn't seem to fill a need at all though.
Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
Exactly. I'd say DT is about the last place I expected them to go, with the possible exception of MLB. This is killing me.
pyite76
Footballguy
this is not the type of draft I was expecting. Manning better be all that's he's supposed to be. Originally supposed to be a Cornhusker so optimistic I shall remain. all my TE's are gone. it's down to Byrd and Garrett Mills(my personal sleeper). We need offensive weapons Jerry. Put Rex/Griese in a position to suceed.
Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
Maybe someone can explain to me why the best D in the country used its first three picks on defensive players while harboring one of the worst offenses in the country.
boubucarow
Footballguy
Aside from a TE, I thought the Bears would address their defense on the first day. Dusty will be a good player for this team and DT depth did need a boost but I am not sure why TE or OLB have not been addressed. In addition, the biggest need in the secondary was at free safety and the picks only could address that with major coaching and time. I will wait and see on this one before I give up on it but I didn't see this coming at all.
Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
I think Manning's got a good shot at being that free Safety - I really like him as a Safety rather than a Corner in the NFL. Throw in the fact that Lovie's a genius with Defense, and I'd imagine his move to Free Safety will be fairly easy.
Manning compares very favorably with Nick Collins, no? I think he provides depth at both CB and FS and as a kick returner. I liked that pick personally, but hated the Hester pick. Dvoracek doesn't make much sense, but we'll have to wait and see who else they get before we can fully evaluate that one.
boubucarow
Footballguy
I do think he is capable of being a very good free safety but how quickly will he get up to speed. There wasn't a tremendous plus range free safety available after the first dozen picks of the draft so maybe taking a player like Manning was the best plan.
boubucarow
Footballguy
I love the fact that the Bears now have return men that are reliable and explosive. I just question when Manning can push Harris at free safety. I would have liked someone that could challenge for that job ASAP. Maybe he can. I do think Hester could have waited and maybe other needs should have came before Dvoracek but he is a tough SOB that will be an assett the defense.
Harris was a rookie last year and played pretty well. If he holds down that job, I expect Manning will compete for the nickel job right away.
sanders2021
Footballguy
I'm disappointed with this draft so far. I'm ok with the Manning pick and I actually think that with the proper coaching, Hester could end up being a great pick, but I think that both of them could have been had in later rounds, and I definitely don't see why we drafted a DT. The failure to sign a TE has me baffled.
did I miss a trade between the Bears/Panthers in the 3rd round? anyone have the details?
Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
Bears signing Manning Jr. gave their 3rd rounder to the Panthers.
ahh, that makes sense.I thought someone said the trade with the Bills gave them 2 picks in the 3rd, but I forgot they had lost their original one already.
also, I forgot about Ricky Manning when talking about the nickel job. Danieal Manning can be brought along slowly now as the #4 CB and dime back.
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Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
Cooper Wallace tomorrow is my guess. Maybe Byrd.
Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
Jacksonville by now, I'd expect.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
Desmond Clark (he's only 29 years old)John Gilmore
Gabe Reid
Clark is a better TE now than any of the guys they were going to take would be in 2006. 2007 and 2008 are maybe a different story. But for next year, Clark was still going to be the #1 TE. I just don't think the Bears are looking for an impact, pass catching TE. They'd rather stick with the better blocker and sure handed guy. Not saying I didn't want them to bring somebody else in...just trying to look at what the personell guys are thinking.
TitusIII
Footballguy
My opinion: B
Chris Harris(S) is a bum, and will never be anything more than ST player. Manning should be a significant upgrade to the defensive secondary. He adds the speed the Bears lack in that department (see Steve Smith: 2006 Divisional Playoffs)
Devin Hester will be one of the best, if not the best return man in the NFL. He should help the field position game. I think he could have been a first rounder if Miami had developed him at one position instead of four.
Dvorcek consistantly wreaked havok on opposing QB's in the Big12. He should be a nice third down DT.
Overall, I think the only weaknesses on the best defense in football were fixed. If the offense produces with Grossman under center, the Bears should win 12+ games. This team won 11+ games with a drunkard fourth rounder under center last season, and the Bears were still able to effectively run the ball. I do not feel the team needed a significant overhall on that side of the ball.
Chris Harris(S) is a bum, and will never be anything more than ST player. Manning should be a significant upgrade to the defensive secondary. He adds the speed the Bears lack in that department (see Steve Smith: 2006 Divisional Playoffs)
Devin Hester will be one of the best, if not the best return man in the NFL. He should help the field position game. I think he could have been a first rounder if Miami had developed him at one position instead of four.
Dvorcek consistantly wreaked havok on opposing QB's in the Big12. He should be a nice third down DT.
Overall, I think the only weaknesses on the best defense in football were fixed. If the offense produces with Grossman under center, the Bears should win 12+ games. This team won 11+ games with a drunkard fourth rounder under center last season, and the Bears were still able to effectively run the ball. I do not feel the team needed a significant overhall on that side of the ball.
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why do you think Chris Harris is a bum?
Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
Can we please stop talking about Steve Smith? I'm getting a headache again.
And Steve Smith torching the Bears in the playoffs was more about the coaching staff not willing and/or too stupid to make adjustments.
TitusIII
Footballguy
Harris is slow, and while his instincts are above average, his lack of speed consistantly hurt the Bears. If I have to see him run into a LB, allowing a RB a big gain, one more time, I will probably throw my remote through the television. He is a solid backup, and probably has a future on ST, but the Bears needed an upgrade. Just my opinion, he did fill in admirably for a6th rounder.
And Steve Smith torching the Bears in the playoffs was more about the coaching staff not willing and/or too stupid to make adjustments.
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Harris was a late draft pick who earned a starting job as a rookie on the best defense in football. There's a very reasonable chance that his play will improve over the next year or two, as it often does with young players.
you do?I don't. I think Manning will play in the nickel package and match up against the slot WR when teams go to a 3 WR formation.
boubucarow
Footballguy
During the course of the season, corners were left out on islands too much and part of that was a result of lack of range among the safeties. Manning Jr, Tillman, and Vasher will be good at corner as long as Tillman keeps his head in the game more often. Brown is tremendous at the line of scrimmage and is very intelligent but limited in coverage. Harris is also good near the line of scrimmage and is adequate in coverage. They need a player to step in and be the deep center type of free safety with plus range and ball skills as there is no such safety on the roster. D Manning has the talent to do so but needs a lot of coaching up to be that player. I like him as a prospect but I am not sure he fills the needs in the secondary by September. I can hope that Harris becomes more intelligent in coverage.
Hester and Manning are huge huge huge upgrades in the return game. That aspect of the draft is a major plus. Without Azumah, the Bears had no reliability or explosiveness all season on kickoffs or punts. I am not sure what Hester is suppose to do other than returns. They have enough defensive backs now so I would assume they are thinking receiver. Of course, don't the Bears have enough speed receivers who need work running routes and receiving in traffic (Berrian and Bradley). The hope is that Berrian versus the Panthers or the Bradley vs Lions (i think) were not flukes and signs of big things this year.
The Bears are actually a bit thin along the defensive line and Dvorcek will be a good fit. He will be valuable in the rotation with Harris, Scott, and Tank. He instills even more of sense of nastiness in the defense that I like.
Hester and Manning are huge huge huge upgrades in the return game. That aspect of the draft is a major plus. Without Azumah, the Bears had no reliability or explosiveness all season on kickoffs or punts. I am not sure what Hester is suppose to do other than returns. They have enough defensive backs now so I would assume they are thinking receiver. Of course, don't the Bears have enough speed receivers who need work running routes and receiving in traffic (Berrian and Bradley). The hope is that Berrian versus the Panthers or the Bradley vs Lions (i think) were not flukes and signs of big things this year.
The Bears are actually a bit thin along the defensive line and Dvorcek will be a good fit. He will be valuable in the rotation with Harris, Scott, and Tank. He instills even more of sense of nastiness in the defense that I like.
The only excuse might be that Colorado's TE Klopfenstein went at 46 and Notre Dame's TE Fasano at 53 when Bears were targeting them at 57. And then Leonard Pope went at 72 when the Bears were planning on taking him at 73.
And maybe they were hoping for Texas' Dave Thomas or USC's Byrd to drop to tomorrow -- which didnt happen.
But more likely they are morons.
The Bears seemed to think the draft was deep in TEs and they could afford to wait. But the best 8 TEs were taken today. And the draft isn't THAT deep at TE.
I think they should have taken Klopfenstein at 42. (Or if they were looking for a kick returner -- why not Sinorice Moss? He was still available and a safer pick than Division 2 player Danny Manning.)
If you take a TE with pick#42, Danny Manning is probably still available at #57. (NFL.COM has him rated as a third rounder.)
NFL.COM had Devin Hester rated as a fourth rounder, so good chance he would have been there with the 3rd round pick at #73.
And there are character questions and foot speed concerns with Dvoraceck -- so he's probably available tomorrow in the fourth round.
WHY REACH on these guys? I think they're interesting picks -- but seems they went a round too early.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Worst draft thus far...how does Jerry Angelo have a job again?
really?Tommie Harris, Ian Scott, Tank Johnson, Alfonso Boone all saw time in the rotation last year and Michael Haynes and Israel Idonije can both play DT as well. I'd say the Bears' top 8 defensive linemen were as good or better than any other team in the league.
boubucarow
Footballguy
I don't think Manning is there to replace Harris as much as he is there to add a speed dimension to the secondary that is lacking. Harris is a quality safety but may be too much of Brown clone without the super instincts. Maybe Harris develops better instincts in coverage and improves his range to become a better true free safety. Maybe Manning catches on quick and can be the deep cover safety that is needed. They have plenty of talent in the secondary, that is for sure.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
There was a lot of talk that Chicago was going to take a DT early because Tank Johnson may not be able to play this season. I don't think they were wrong to take a DT, I just think they were wrong to take Dusty Dvoracek :X
he's supposed to be out about 4 months, which should bring him back by the time the season starts. But, even if they had to go without him, they were still 7 deep with quality players on the line.
yeah, I don't get that either. I think Gabe Watson is going to be one of the biggest steals of this draft. I got to watch him in person and I was amazed at how dominant he was.They passed on Gabe Watson for him. If not him Rod Wright or Orien Harris.
boubucarow
Footballguy
I know what you are saying, but there were long periods in numerous games where that famed Bears pass rush was very underwhelming. My guess is that Brown, O-gun, and Harris could have been overworked. Adding another tough body that will allow Haynes and Idonije to concentrate on DE, will keep Tank off the field except for passing situations, and will allow the Bears to better spell their best pass rushers. The staff does not like Boone and would rather have a player like Dvorcek in the rotation. Having said that, I would have liked the OLB position to be addressed instead.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
After seeing how things panned out today, it's easy to look back and make Angelo's picks for him, so I'll do JUST THAT!!!
I would have traded down with Buffalo (as the Bears did) and then drafted:
TE David Thomas (and a bowl of chili with a partial finger)
CB Richard Marshall
OLB Jon Alston
I would have traded down with Buffalo (as the Bears did) and then drafted:
TE David Thomas (and a bowl of chili with a partial finger)
CB Richard Marshall
OLB Jon Alston
sanders2021
Footballguy
Does anyone see Thomas Jones to Indianapolis for Dallas Clark as a solution to the TE problem and maybe the reason the Bears haven't drafted one yet?
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