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No. If Indy trades for Thomas Jones the first thing his agent Drew Rosenhaus will do is ask for an extension.The Colts have to lock up Dwight Freeney to a long term contract - THAT is their priority.
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Tough As Nails
Glave Master
The more I think about it...the more I don't care that they didn't address TE. There were what, like 8 TEs drafted yesterday? I'll take a bet with anybody who cares to. I'll set the over/under at 40 catches. I'll take the under for every single one of them (Vernon Davis will catch more than 40 balls, but no way were the Bears going to get him). Desmond Clark is just as good as any of them will be this coming season. He knows the system, is a good blocker and has good hands. He doesn't do much after the catch...but the offense doesn't dictate that he needs to. TE is just NOT an impact position for the Bears.
We got a DB with star potential (who needs some polish and work against top competition) and an explosive player who will immediately solve the punt return issues. We wanted Randle El in the offseason and we just drafted a guy who's more explosive and much, much, much cheaper.
Depth a DLine is always a good thing as well.
I give the draft a solid C...very average. Filled some needs, didn't blow anybody away. if you want to add Ricky Manning into the discussion, I give it a B+.
We got a DB with star potential (who needs some polish and work against top competition) and an explosive player who will immediately solve the punt return issues. We wanted Randle El in the offseason and we just drafted a guy who's more explosive and much, much, much cheaper.
Depth a DLine is always a good thing as well.
I give the draft a solid C...very average. Filled some needs, didn't blow anybody away. if you want to add Ricky Manning into the discussion, I give it a B+.
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
Day 2
Chicago Bears. With some interesting stealth picks day 1, we enter into our historical strength of excellent picks in the early mids. Now that we have shored up our defense with stealth sleepers, I can't wait to see the fancy moves we make day 2 to fix our other problems. Moss or Pope? Angelo said he only had two options with the Manning pick, but many other options at the other positions. I can't wait to see these other options today. What sleeper TE from a high school Lovie has been to will we get? Pardon me while I order my Manning jersey.
Chicago Bears. With some interesting stealth picks day 1, we enter into our historical strength of excellent picks in the early mids. Now that we have shored up our defense with stealth sleepers, I can't wait to see the fancy moves we make day 2 to fix our other problems. Moss or Pope? Angelo said he only had two options with the Manning pick, but many other options at the other positions. I can't wait to see these other options today. What sleeper TE from a high school Lovie has been to will we get? Pardon me while I order my Manning jersey.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
The biggest knock on the guy is that he's an angry drunk with a bit of an injury history. I don't know how you can question how the guy plays the game when healthy. High intensity, athletic, blue collar guy....he's a Grabowski. Also, one of the best gap players in the draft. The fans will love this guy and he will be a solid NFL player for years. Also gets to re-team with Tommie Harris.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I've always wanted the Bears to use the TE position more on offense, but seriously, do they really need a TE who can't block? I think people see guys like Gates and think guys like Pope or Lewis are the next one. Clark is one of the best blocker TEs in the league and simply put the Bears don't utilize a pass catching TE and haven't for many years. There were plenty of FA TEs the Bears could of rostered too this off season so I guess they don't think it's an issue.
Rounders
Footballguy
23 120 Chicago Williams, Jamar ILB 6-0 250 Arizona State
SUMMARY
Williams was a very frustrating player to grade because he just does not play like the athlete you expect from his size and speed combination. He lacks an explosive burst of acceleration to catch up to ball carriers in backside pursuit and does not have the playing speed to get outside and make tackles out along the sideline. He has the thick build and strength to be strong at the point of attack when he plays aggressively, but he does not do that consistently. He has the hands to jolt blockers and stay free when he is quick and gets hands on blockers first. He has good instincts, which helps him to consistently get started toward the ball quickly, despite not having good acceleration. His instincts at times let him flash better playing speed than he usually does in games. His instincts and hands makes him a good coverage linebacker in zone coverage that can make the tough pick, but he does not have the athleticism or playing speed to cover tight ends or running backs well in man-to-man coverage. Overall, Williams is not a good athlete and lacks playing speed as a linebacker. He would be a solid free-agent signing because of his strength and instincts, but he may struggle to make it in the NFL because of his lack of athleticism, playing speed and explosiveness.
STRONG POINTS
Williams is a heady and instinctive linebacker who sniffs out the play well. He does a good job of getting outside to disrupt screen plays before they can get started. He has quick and strong hands to jolt offensive line blockers. He can stay free and make plays on inside runs when he uses hands aggressively. He Reads the quarterback well in zone coverage and has the hands to make the tough interception. Once he gets to full speed, he has shown decent playing speed chasing down plays in backside pursuit.
WEAKNESSES
Williams is no doubt a short middle linebacker and does not show the athleticism and playing speed to make up for it. He does not play up to his 40 time as he lacks the quick feet and agility to move through traffic quickly. He lacks the playing speed to consistently chase down plays in pursuit and looks stiff and choppy dropping off the ball into coverage. Despite his strong hands, if a blocker can get a hold of him, he struggles to shed quickly. He does not break down and tackle well out in space.
Why would the Bears draft this guy?
SUMMARY
Williams was a very frustrating player to grade because he just does not play like the athlete you expect from his size and speed combination. He lacks an explosive burst of acceleration to catch up to ball carriers in backside pursuit and does not have the playing speed to get outside and make tackles out along the sideline. He has the thick build and strength to be strong at the point of attack when he plays aggressively, but he does not do that consistently. He has the hands to jolt blockers and stay free when he is quick and gets hands on blockers first. He has good instincts, which helps him to consistently get started toward the ball quickly, despite not having good acceleration. His instincts at times let him flash better playing speed than he usually does in games. His instincts and hands makes him a good coverage linebacker in zone coverage that can make the tough pick, but he does not have the athleticism or playing speed to cover tight ends or running backs well in man-to-man coverage. Overall, Williams is not a good athlete and lacks playing speed as a linebacker. He would be a solid free-agent signing because of his strength and instincts, but he may struggle to make it in the NFL because of his lack of athleticism, playing speed and explosiveness.
STRONG POINTS
Williams is a heady and instinctive linebacker who sniffs out the play well. He does a good job of getting outside to disrupt screen plays before they can get started. He has quick and strong hands to jolt offensive line blockers. He can stay free and make plays on inside runs when he uses hands aggressively. He Reads the quarterback well in zone coverage and has the hands to make the tough interception. Once he gets to full speed, he has shown decent playing speed chasing down plays in backside pursuit.
WEAKNESSES
Williams is no doubt a short middle linebacker and does not show the athleticism and playing speed to make up for it. He does not play up to his 40 time as he lacks the quick feet and agility to move through traffic quickly. He lacks the playing speed to consistently chase down plays in pursuit and looks stiff and choppy dropping off the ball into coverage. Despite his strong hands, if a blocker can get a hold of him, he struggles to shed quickly. He does not break down and tackle well out in space.
Why would the Bears draft this guy?
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ericttspikes
Footballguy
If any Bears fan was happy with the return game last year they weren't watching. This was a way more important void to address than a pass catching TE who can't block IMO. All D and ST on day one, I'll take that, and there is upside if D. Manning is as advertised. Here is my bold prediction, Devin Hester will score more TDs next year than Leonard Pope. If this kid is able to do what I think he can returning the ball, Bears fans will change their tune on this draft.
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
Historically, the Bears draft relatively well. I am excited to see who we get to improve our offense at any position. We just picked a OLB Jamar Williams.
How do I spin this? Hmmmm....Offensive cohesion, less changes mean we will play better as a team. Yea, baby. Zen O!!!
ericttspikes
Footballguy
That is really weird. Are Graham or Watson available? They must be in a race with the Titans for the most TEs in the league.
MC Gusto
Milkbone Bootycruncher
I really believe the Bears are really underestimating how close 11-5 is to 7-9 in this league.
I believe we have a 5 and 2 6s. Granted, D2 players are generally back-up and ST contributors early in their career, but it will be interesting to see where we go from here.
I believe we have a 5 and 2 6s. Granted, D2 players are generally back-up and ST contributors early in their career, but it will be interesting to see where we go from here.
MC Gusto
Milkbone Bootycruncher
FROM JOHN MULLIN (chicagosports.com) -
Scouting report:
Williams is a smart, impact player who intercepted six passes over the last two seasons and made 150 tackles. Williams is considered a hard-nosed player and the Bears like that he can play either outside position as well as work in coverage. Williams gives the Bears depth that they didn't feel they had last year when both Lance Briggs and Hunter Hillenmeyer were hurt at the same time. The Bears had wanted tight end Owen Daniels but he was gone with the first pick of Round 4, and two LB's were already taken when the Bears' turn came so they had to move. Now they have an alternative if Lance Briggs is a holdout or either Briggs or Hillenmeyer leave after their contracts run this year.
11:02 a.m.: The second day of the draft, where they have struck repeated gold in recent years, got quickly away from the Bears, who gambled a little on Saturday. Wisconsin tight end Owen Daniels was snapped up immediately by Houston, taking one prime target the Bears wanted, and Tulsa tight end Garrett Mills went to New England eight picks later. Linebacker Leon Williams went at 110, taking an additional player off the board at a position the Bears thought they could fill nicely on Day 2. Going with Oklahoma DT Dusty Dvoracek in Round 3 ideally gives them some real potential at a position they have well staffed at this point but it may have cost them a chance to fill a higher need with the players that did not last until their turn.
Scouting report:
Williams is a smart, impact player who intercepted six passes over the last two seasons and made 150 tackles. Williams is considered a hard-nosed player and the Bears like that he can play either outside position as well as work in coverage. Williams gives the Bears depth that they didn't feel they had last year when both Lance Briggs and Hunter Hillenmeyer were hurt at the same time. The Bears had wanted tight end Owen Daniels but he was gone with the first pick of Round 4, and two LB's were already taken when the Bears' turn came so they had to move. Now they have an alternative if Lance Briggs is a holdout or either Briggs or Hillenmeyer leave after their contracts run this year.
11:02 a.m.: The second day of the draft, where they have struck repeated gold in recent years, got quickly away from the Bears, who gambled a little on Saturday. Wisconsin tight end Owen Daniels was snapped up immediately by Houston, taking one prime target the Bears wanted, and Tulsa tight end Garrett Mills went to New England eight picks later. Linebacker Leon Williams went at 110, taking an additional player off the board at a position the Bears thought they could fill nicely on Day 2. Going with Oklahoma DT Dusty Dvoracek in Round 3 ideally gives them some real potential at a position they have well staffed at this point but it may have cost them a chance to fill a higher need with the players that did not last until their turn.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I can never harshly judge a Bears draft when they address D. I think they are much better off on O going into the season. Benson was a hold out and got hurt, Grossman didn't play and they only had a rookie for depth. RB positon is deep, and until something happens to Jones, I think Benson will compliment him well. QB is deep, first time in years. Greise was a great pick-up to go along with the rook who got plenty of experience last year. Muhammy can't possibly be any worse and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he was hurting last year. Bradley and Berrian showed me some good things last year, not sure where they are injury wise, and I do think Hester gets plays on O. This draft was pretty weak at WR and they are set at RB. I guess they could of burned a pick on another late QB but I actually think they are all right there for the first time in many years and historically haven't groomed QB talent well.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
As a Bears fan, I have learned to trust them when they go D. I can remember when they took a safety out of New Mexico St. I said, Who the hell is Brian Urlacher?" That one turned out pretty good. THey have a knack for drafting good D talent, so I am perfectly content with what they got yesterday.
3nOut
Footballguy
I think they could have waitied on Manning for several picks and could have gotten a good TE (Pope?) with their first overall. I doubt anyone had Manning that high on their boards and could have gotten him with their second ick in the second if they really wanted to.
Any chance they take a chance lower n the draft with Jai Lewis? Undrafted free agent maybe? I know he didn't do very well on his pro day but he may be worth a long shot.
Any chance they take a chance lower n the draft with Jai Lewis? Undrafted free agent maybe? I know he didn't do very well on his pro day but he may be worth a long shot.
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
I think the initial fan panic was who? What? When? Why?O will be better this year than last.
ST big improvement.
DB's able to cover Smith and the like? That seems to be what the Bears are trying to address. If we did that last year, then where would we have ended up?
Manning and Hester might have both been available with their second pick if the traded down a second time, but they played it safe and/or didn't have the offers.
Bear football - looks like another season of hard hitting defense with running out the clock, and developing WR rookies opposite Mush with better field position. Hope their plan and health get us to the Bowl.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
There is the big one. I think they made great strides in this area. The return game was awful last year. With a strong defense...a great return game can mean a huge difference in the game as they tend to rely more on field position than other teams.
PsychoMan
Footballguy
I agree that there is reason for controversy regarding some of the Bears picks ... But, I have no problem that the bears drafted several defensive players even though it seems their problems were with their offense. Rounders pointed that out looking at the overall ranks last year ...
2006 Defense Rank: #2
2006 Offense Rank: #29
I would much rather see 2007 end up like one of the following
2007 Defense Rank: #2
2007 Offense Rank: #29
or
2007 Defense Rank: #2
2007 Offense Rank: #22 (more likely in my opinion)
... than let the defense slide to #8 or #12 by only focusing on offense this off season ...
Don't forget that the offense has been addressed and it should improve.
1. Rex healthy (crossing fingers that he will remain that way)
2. Picked up a solid veteran #2 in Griese.
3. We still have a potential RB stud in Cedric Benson. He was #4 pick a year ago and looked good last year when he got the chance.
4. WR? Moose, Bradley, Berrian are fine with me. I'm a fan of all 3 of those guys.
5. Draft a TE? I really don't think this is a huge deal, and the style of the Bears offense doesn't require it.
Now we should have a solid return game to help with the field position.
I think defense wins championships and it should be our first priority to maintain a top notch D. I think the offense will fall into place this year or the next with what we've got.
just my 2 cents
2006 Defense Rank: #2
2006 Offense Rank: #29
I would much rather see 2007 end up like one of the following
2007 Defense Rank: #2
2007 Offense Rank: #29
or
2007 Defense Rank: #2
2007 Offense Rank: #22 (more likely in my opinion)
... than let the defense slide to #8 or #12 by only focusing on offense this off season ...
Don't forget that the offense has been addressed and it should improve.
1. Rex healthy (crossing fingers that he will remain that way)
2. Picked up a solid veteran #2 in Griese.
3. We still have a potential RB stud in Cedric Benson. He was #4 pick a year ago and looked good last year when he got the chance.
4. WR? Moose, Bradley, Berrian are fine with me. I'm a fan of all 3 of those guys.
5. Draft a TE? I really don't think this is a huge deal, and the style of the Bears offense doesn't require it.
Now we should have a solid return game to help with the field position.
I think defense wins championships and it should be our first priority to maintain a top notch D. I think the offense will fall into place this year or the next with what we've got.
just my 2 cents
sanders2021
Footballguy
Hmmm... We went Mark Anderson, a DE from Alabama... Thoughts?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Had a great Senior Bowl week of practice, starting creeping up draft boards (I know NFL Draft Scout and McShay were both pretty high on him). Not considered a great athlete per se, but has a non-stop motor and is intense.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
The Bears' defensive scheme relies heavily on pressure without blitzing much. In order to make that work...you need DLine depth. They are going after that. It's pretty clear that the philosophy isn't going to change here. Dominate on defense. Work the field position game. Don't beat yourself on offense. It has worked in the past. I don't see why it can't work in the future.
I like the Bears draft. I too wanted a TE, but trust the Bears in that they know that maybe some will become avail June 1 and/or more offensive players will come available. I like the WR corp and think they will have a better offense this year (can't get much worse).
I love adding the speed and depth. Without looking at the contracts, I'm worried about Ogun, Harris, and Briggs all being clients of the anti-christ. No doubt they'll want large contracts and I do not think the Bears can afford keeping everyone. So I look at this draft as possibly adding depth for future years.
I love adding the speed and depth. Without looking at the contracts, I'm worried about Ogun, Harris, and Briggs all being clients of the anti-christ. No doubt they'll want large contracts and I do not think the Bears can afford keeping everyone. So I look at this draft as possibly adding depth for future years.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I have to think that is the plan. The Bears really wanted A.R.E., it seems like Hester fits the bill as a swiss army knife player at a much cheaper price. I actually thought they were going to try for Moss in the first before they traded out, but I'm happier they went heavy D. Now these guys just have to perform...
MC Gusto
Milkbone Bootycruncher
More from Mullin.........Bears upcoming at 195/200.....
2:01 p.m.: Brian Harris of Lisle writes, "I have no doubt that the players we are taking have a good chance of being solid NFL caliber players. But what about our offense gives the coaching staff confidence going into next year?"
____________________________
A number of factors were involved here. The fact is that the draft appears to gotten away from the Bears a little bit in that a couple of players they targeted (tight ends Anthony Fasano from Notre Dame, tight end Owen Daniels from Wisconsin) were taken before the Bears' turns in the third and fourth rounds, respectively.
For their part, the Bears 'chose' to let it go that way, electing to stay firmly with their draft board and the ratings they had on players. Actually, it isn't the coaching staff that is saying the offense is OK, it's the personnel side, which looked at the available players and said certain defensive players like defensive tackle Dusty Dvoracek (3rd round) was a better pick than, say, tight end David Thomas, who was a favorite target of Vince Young at Texas. They passed on Colorado TE Joe Klopfenstein as well as Fasano when they chose DB Danieal Manning in the first round.
Were they right? That'll play out in the next year or two. But it was admittedly a little surprising, and after the fifth-round pick, one official said simply, "The tight ends were gone. You can't create one." If there's another surprise, it is that few if any of the draftees will realistically challenge for a starting job this season. This team is good; not sure, however, that it's so good it could afford not to target some specific players for impact sooner rather than later.
1:10 p.m. Mark Anderson, DE, Alabama, 6-4, 255, 4.6 time
Scouting report:
The fixation on defense continued as the Bears took a pass-rush specialist to satisfy one of the quiet targets of the off-season. Anderson was highly rated by a number of experts and had 104 tackles and nine sacks as a senior, besides catching nine passes, three for TDs. This could be a hidden tight end. He had an excellent Senior Bowl week. The knock on him has been run defense but coach Lovie Smith and the Bears wanted more edge rush, even trying to land Kalimba Edwards before he re-signed with the Lions. The hope is that Anderson is a big addition to the defensive speed.
11:55 a.m.: Matt Franks from Auburn, Ind., writes: "We all know the belief that defense wins championships, but when are we going to address the need for a TE that can stretch the field? Do you think that we are going to be content with trying to "develop" the next Antonio Gates with a free agent signing like a Jai Lewis of George Mason?"
The Bears wanted to address tight end but failed to grab Wisconsin's Owen Daniels late in Round 3 Saturday and he was gone with the first pick of Round 4. One thing the Bears have not done at all in this draft is go after a specific player, regardless of position, and the reality is that they have let the draft come to them. The next year or three will prove whether it was the right strategy and whether indeed they only had wants instead of needs.
11:20 a.m. Jamar Williams, LB, Arizona State, 6-0, 239, 4.65 time
Scouting report:
Williams is a smart, impact player who intercepted six passes over the last two seasons and made 150 tackles. Williams is considered a hard-nosed player and the Bears like that he can play either outside position as well as work in coverage. Williams gives the Bears depth that they didn't feel they had last year when both Lance Briggs and Hunter Hillenmeyer were hurt at the same time. The Bears had wanted tight end Owen Daniels but he was gone with the first pick of Round 4, and two LB's were already taken when the Bears' turn came so they had to move. Now they have an alternative if Lance Briggs is a holdout or either Briggs or Hillenmeyer leave after their contracts run this year.
11:02 a.m.: The second day of the draft, where they have struck repeated gold in recent years, got quickly away from the Bears, who gambled a little on Saturday. Wisconsin tight end Owen Daniels was snapped up immediately by Houston, taking one prime target the Bears wanted, and Tulsa tight end Garrett Mills went to New England eight picks later. Linebacker Leon Williams went at 110, taking an additional player off the board at a position the Bears thought they could fill nicely on Day 2. Going with Oklahoma DT Dusty Dvoracek in Round 3 ideally gives them some real potential at a position they have well staffed at this point but it may have cost them a chance to fill a higher need with the players that did not last until their turn.
2:01 p.m.: Brian Harris of Lisle writes, "I have no doubt that the players we are taking have a good chance of being solid NFL caliber players. But what about our offense gives the coaching staff confidence going into next year?"
____________________________
A number of factors were involved here. The fact is that the draft appears to gotten away from the Bears a little bit in that a couple of players they targeted (tight ends Anthony Fasano from Notre Dame, tight end Owen Daniels from Wisconsin) were taken before the Bears' turns in the third and fourth rounds, respectively.
For their part, the Bears 'chose' to let it go that way, electing to stay firmly with their draft board and the ratings they had on players. Actually, it isn't the coaching staff that is saying the offense is OK, it's the personnel side, which looked at the available players and said certain defensive players like defensive tackle Dusty Dvoracek (3rd round) was a better pick than, say, tight end David Thomas, who was a favorite target of Vince Young at Texas. They passed on Colorado TE Joe Klopfenstein as well as Fasano when they chose DB Danieal Manning in the first round.
Were they right? That'll play out in the next year or two. But it was admittedly a little surprising, and after the fifth-round pick, one official said simply, "The tight ends were gone. You can't create one." If there's another surprise, it is that few if any of the draftees will realistically challenge for a starting job this season. This team is good; not sure, however, that it's so good it could afford not to target some specific players for impact sooner rather than later.
1:10 p.m. Mark Anderson, DE, Alabama, 6-4, 255, 4.6 time
Scouting report:
The fixation on defense continued as the Bears took a pass-rush specialist to satisfy one of the quiet targets of the off-season. Anderson was highly rated by a number of experts and had 104 tackles and nine sacks as a senior, besides catching nine passes, three for TDs. This could be a hidden tight end. He had an excellent Senior Bowl week. The knock on him has been run defense but coach Lovie Smith and the Bears wanted more edge rush, even trying to land Kalimba Edwards before he re-signed with the Lions. The hope is that Anderson is a big addition to the defensive speed.
11:55 a.m.: Matt Franks from Auburn, Ind., writes: "We all know the belief that defense wins championships, but when are we going to address the need for a TE that can stretch the field? Do you think that we are going to be content with trying to "develop" the next Antonio Gates with a free agent signing like a Jai Lewis of George Mason?"
The Bears wanted to address tight end but failed to grab Wisconsin's Owen Daniels late in Round 3 Saturday and he was gone with the first pick of Round 4. One thing the Bears have not done at all in this draft is go after a specific player, regardless of position, and the reality is that they have let the draft come to them. The next year or three will prove whether it was the right strategy and whether indeed they only had wants instead of needs.
11:20 a.m. Jamar Williams, LB, Arizona State, 6-0, 239, 4.65 time
Scouting report:
Williams is a smart, impact player who intercepted six passes over the last two seasons and made 150 tackles. Williams is considered a hard-nosed player and the Bears like that he can play either outside position as well as work in coverage. Williams gives the Bears depth that they didn't feel they had last year when both Lance Briggs and Hunter Hillenmeyer were hurt at the same time. The Bears had wanted tight end Owen Daniels but he was gone with the first pick of Round 4, and two LB's were already taken when the Bears' turn came so they had to move. Now they have an alternative if Lance Briggs is a holdout or either Briggs or Hillenmeyer leave after their contracts run this year.
11:02 a.m.: The second day of the draft, where they have struck repeated gold in recent years, got quickly away from the Bears, who gambled a little on Saturday. Wisconsin tight end Owen Daniels was snapped up immediately by Houston, taking one prime target the Bears wanted, and Tulsa tight end Garrett Mills went to New England eight picks later. Linebacker Leon Williams went at 110, taking an additional player off the board at a position the Bears thought they could fill nicely on Day 2. Going with Oklahoma DT Dusty Dvoracek in Round 3 ideally gives them some real potential at a position they have well staffed at this point but it may have cost them a chance to fill a higher need with the players that did not last until their turn.
sanders2021
Footballguy
I don't understand that pick. Why'd we take a FB?
jbird5150
Footballguy
2:57 p.m. J.D. Runnels, FB, Oklahoma, 5-11, 238, 4.66 time
Scouting report:
The offense was hurt by injuries to fullbacks Bryan Johnson and Jason McKie, forcing the team to add veteran Marc Edwards in training camp to get them by. Runnels is not a running threat but has had some success as a receiver, which is what the Bears want from their fullbacks in addition to lead blocking. Runnels was a big part of the success enjoyed by Adrian Peterson for Oklahoma and projects to challenge for a roster spot if he can also contribute on special teams. Bears fullbacks typically are nowhere near every-down players and Runnels adds some muscle to the offense on first and second downs in a very physical position where the starter (Johnson) is in place.
Scouting report:
The offense was hurt by injuries to fullbacks Bryan Johnson and Jason McKie, forcing the team to add veteran Marc Edwards in training camp to get them by. Runnels is not a running threat but has had some success as a receiver, which is what the Bears want from their fullbacks in addition to lead blocking. Runnels was a big part of the success enjoyed by Adrian Peterson for Oklahoma and projects to challenge for a roster spot if he can also contribute on special teams. Bears fullbacks typically are nowhere near every-down players and Runnels adds some muscle to the offense on first and second downs in a very physical position where the starter (Johnson) is in place.
Fantasy_Freak
Footballguy
This draft is ridiculous, drafting for depth on defense, how about offensive depth. There are a TON of question marks on offense and not one move to shore up some of those question marks. First we have this whole WR question mark, we've seen glimpses from Bradley and Berrian, but have not seen anything consistant. They must have a lot of faith in Currie but he has not shown us anything. Then we have not see nmuch of anything to date from Grossman, so we are supposed to have faith in our new back-up Greise. Ok. We are now going to see another year of Dez Clark's inconsistency.
The Bears have the 29 ranked offense and the 2 ranked defense and have no intentions of increasing the offense, even if we draft o-line help. What exactly happens with a few injuries on the o-line????
Now we listen to this talk of special team players. This seems to be the battle cry of the bears for years and not once have they been successful. Wasn't Bobby Wade, Vasher, Tillman, Bradley, Berrian, etc. all great college special teams players? So now we have to believe the guys drafted yesterday will greatly help out or special teams
. I'll stick with the old rule "fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me."
Also, reading everyone say we do not need to draft a TE due to the fact of how we use this position. Well, then why doesn't the coachign staff look into the way they use this position. Maybe more plays should be developed to take more pressure off of our qb's, so they have an outlet. Yes, I agree any TE we draft will not have any better numbers than Dez, but what about our future? This was the deepest TE group available and we did nothing to help the back-ups or to increase our productivity in the future.
Sorry for the rambling but I am extremely frustrated with Angelo after this weekend. To think of the players we could have had, a Chad Jackson in the first and Pope in the 2nd. Even if Pope doesn't displace Clark, we at least have a viable option for our future. Now we drafted players who will lkikely be very good special teams players.
The Bears have the 29 ranked offense and the 2 ranked defense and have no intentions of increasing the offense, even if we draft o-line help. What exactly happens with a few injuries on the o-line????
Now we listen to this talk of special team players. This seems to be the battle cry of the bears for years and not once have they been successful. Wasn't Bobby Wade, Vasher, Tillman, Bradley, Berrian, etc. all great college special teams players? So now we have to believe the guys drafted yesterday will greatly help out or special teams
. I'll stick with the old rule "fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me."Also, reading everyone say we do not need to draft a TE due to the fact of how we use this position. Well, then why doesn't the coachign staff look into the way they use this position. Maybe more plays should be developed to take more pressure off of our qb's, so they have an outlet. Yes, I agree any TE we draft will not have any better numbers than Dez, but what about our future? This was the deepest TE group available and we did nothing to help the back-ups or to increase our productivity in the future.
Sorry for the rambling but I am extremely frustrated with Angelo after this weekend. To think of the players we could have had, a Chad Jackson in the first and Pope in the 2nd. Even if Pope doesn't displace Clark, we at least have a viable option for our future. Now we drafted players who will lkikely be very good special teams players.
I was dissappointed in not getting Jackson as well. The argument can be made that Manning and Hester were reaches thus causing a domino effect with the rest of the draft. I see that point, I just love the added speed to the return game, special teams, and nickel D. Big D out of Okie adds depth to the uncertainty of Tank. Hopefully we can restructure/cut Haynes now.I just do not see the offense as being so bad when all are healthy. I know its a big "IF" but the talent is there. Not for a top 10 offense, but 15-20. This offense will always be run, run, pass, run, run, pass, run, run, run... etc.. Thats Bears football. We have enough 2 and 3 tier guys on offense and thats what I saw on the draft board in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.This draft is ridiculous, drafting for depth on defense, how about offensive depth. There are a TON of question marks on offense and not one move to shore up some of those question marks. First we have this whole WR question mark, we've seen glimpses from Bradley and Berrian, but have not seen anything consistant. They must have a lot of faith in Currie but he has not shown us anything. Then we have not see nmuch of anything to date from Grossman, so we are supposed to have faith in our new back-up Greise. Ok. We are now going to see another year of Dez Clark's inconsistency.
The Bears have the 29 ranked offense and the 2 ranked defense and have no intentions of increasing the offense, even if we draft o-line help. What exactly happens with a few injuries on the o-line????
Now we listen to this talk of special team players. This seems to be the battle cry of the bears for years and not once have they been successful. Wasn't Bobby Wade, Vasher, Tillman, Bradley, Berrian, etc. all great college special teams players? So now we have to believe the guys drafted yesterday will greatly help out or special teams
Also, reading everyone say we do not need to draft a TE due to the fact of how we use this position. Well, then why doesn't the coachign staff look into the way they use this position. Maybe more plays should be developed to take more pressure off of our qb's, so they have an outlet. Yes, I agree any TE we draft will not have any better numbers than Dez, but what about our future? This was the deepest TE group available and we did nothing to help the back-ups or to increase our productivity in the future.
Sorry for the rambling but I am extremely frustrated with Angelo after this weekend. To think of the players we could have had, a Chad Jackson in the first and Pope in the 2nd. Even if Pope doesn't displace Clark, we at least have a viable option for our future. Now we drafted players who will lkikely be very good special teams players.
I still believe there will be some good offensive cuts come June.
With Minnesota and GB drafts, they will not be down for long. And with Detroit getting things in order, the NFC Norris division will be REALLY competitive for the next few years.
flapgreen
Footballguy
This draft is ridiculous, drafting for depth on defense, how about offensive depth. There are a TON of question marks on offense and not one move to shore up some of those question marks. First we have this whole WR question mark, we've seen glimpses from Bradley and Berrian, but have not seen anything consistant. They must have a lot of faith in Currie but he has not shown us anything. Then we have not see nmuch of anything to date from Grossman, so we are supposed to have faith in our new back-up Greise. Ok. We are now going to see another year of Dez Clark's inconsistency.
The Bears have the 29 ranked offense and the 2 ranked defense and have no intentions of increasing the offense, even if we draft o-line help. What exactly happens with a few injuries on the o-line????
Now we listen to this talk of special team players. This seems to be the battle cry of the bears for years and not once have they been successful. Wasn't Bobby Wade, Vasher, Tillman, Bradley, Berrian, etc. all great college special teams players? So now we have to believe the guys drafted yesterday will greatly help out or special teams
Also, reading everyone say we do not need to draft a TE due to the fact of how we use this position. Well, then why doesn't the coachign staff look into the way they use this position. Maybe more plays should be developed to take more pressure off of our qb's, so they have an outlet. Yes, I agree any TE we draft will not have any better numbers than Dez, but what about our future? This was the deepest TE group available and we did nothing to help the back-ups or to increase our productivity in the future.
Sorry for the rambling but I am extremely frustrated with Angelo after this weekend. To think of the players we could have had, a Chad Jackson in the first and Pope in the 2nd. Even if Pope doesn't displace Clark, we at least have a viable option for our future. Now we drafted players who will lkikely be very good special teams players.
pyite76
Footballguy
Who the hell is this Tyler Reed guy? I found no info on the PSU site about his year last year, and after digging a little more found that he hasn't played since 03-04 season?
http://www.gopsusports.com/docs/fb05/AllTimeLett.pdf
Remember the old First & 10 series where the guy calls up the California Bulls front office people and tells them he will kill himself if they don't draft him?
EDIT: now I found this link: http://www.cumberlink.com/PSUfootball/2005...bianca_0105.php
it states in here that he is a starter who is leaving (article dated January 06) but he isn't on their roster? i don't so much hate this draft, but I def. am disappointed.
http://www.gopsusports.com/docs/fb05/AllTimeLett.pdf
Remember the old First & 10 series where the guy calls up the California Bulls front office people and tells them he will kill himself if they don't draft him?
EDIT: now I found this link: http://www.cumberlink.com/PSUfootball/2005...bianca_0105.php
it states in here that he is a starter who is leaving (article dated January 06) but he isn't on their roster? i don't so much hate this draft, but I def. am disappointed.
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pyite76
Footballguy
it gets even better:
http://www.fanblogs.com/penn_state/005023.php
http://www.fanblogs.com/penn_state/005004.php
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?i...TC-DT9705204233
lol at shooting arrows through the dorm room wall...
http://www.fanblogs.com/penn_state/005023.php
http://www.fanblogs.com/penn_state/005004.php
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?i...TC-DT9705204233
lol at shooting arrows through the dorm room wall...
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Who knows what Jerry Angelo is thinking? (I give the draft a "D")
Perhaps he thinks if the DBs shut down Carolina, they would have beaten the crap out of Seattle. Who knows.
Maybe they feel they'll be OK this year with:
a better conditioned Cedric Benson...
a year of cohesion with the O-Line....
a year of seasoning for the young WRs...
and a LEGITIMATE backup QB that can actually complete over 60% of his passes
Angelo probably felt that between last year's draft, the additions of all the free agents over the past two years (OG Ruben Brown, OT Fred Miller, FB Bryan Johnson, WR Muhsin Muhammad, TE PEZ-Man Clark, OG/C Roberto Garza and QB Brian Griese) that they've spent enough on the Offense.
...I don't necessarily agree with him.
Let's just hope Bobby DePaul is privy to the veteran WRs and TEs that might be getting cut.
I find it hard to believe the Patriots will enter the season with four TEs. The Bears could scoop one off their practice squad come early September.
Perhaps he thinks if the DBs shut down Carolina, they would have beaten the crap out of Seattle. Who knows.
Maybe they feel they'll be OK this year with:
a better conditioned Cedric Benson...
a year of cohesion with the O-Line....
a year of seasoning for the young WRs...
and a LEGITIMATE backup QB that can actually complete over 60% of his passes
Angelo probably felt that between last year's draft, the additions of all the free agents over the past two years (OG Ruben Brown, OT Fred Miller, FB Bryan Johnson, WR Muhsin Muhammad, TE PEZ-Man Clark, OG/C Roberto Garza and QB Brian Griese) that they've spent enough on the Offense.
...I don't necessarily agree with him.
Let's just hope Bobby DePaul is privy to the veteran WRs and TEs that might be getting cut.
I find it hard to believe the Patriots will enter the season with four TEs. The Bears could scoop one off their practice squad come early September.
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Bears_Man2
Footballguy
After Day 1, this is what I thought as well. Some veteran TE will get released (or could be had for cheap) & they'll go after him. Can't say it's a bad idea. Just thought in a draft full of TE's, they'd get one.I missed the 5 round and on, I'm guessing they didn't get a TE then either correct?
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As far as Hester, they could give him a crack I suppose. I can't see him as anything better than the #5 (Moose, Bradley, Berrian, Currie/Gage). I imagine Hester's got a better shot of being a nickel corner (if anything besides a returner).....at least he's someone that can run with Steve Smith (but covering him is a different story
).I don't know 40 times, but Bradley/Berrian/Currie all have plenty of game speed to spare. So I don't really know how much of an asset he is there.
Really just shocked they went Manning and then Hester.
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Fantasy_Freak
Footballguy
Bears Man,I heard Hester interviewed yesterday on the Score or ESPN radio and he stated he was told he would play defense. I'm upset that we grabbed the same players in our first two pick, fast special team DB's.After Day 1, this is what I thought as well. Some veteran TE will get released (or could be had for cheap) & they'll go after him. Can't say it's a bad idea. Just thought in a draft full of TE's, they'd get one.I missed the 5 round and on, I'm guessing they didn't get a TE then either correct?
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As far as Hester, they could give him a crack I suppose. I can't see him as anything better than the #5 (Moose, Bradley, Berrian, Currie/Gage). I imagine Hester's got a better shot of being a nickel corner (if anything besides a returner).....at least he's someone that can run with Steve Smith (but covering him is a different story
I don't know 40 times, but Bradley/Berrian/Currie all have plenty of game speed to spare. So I don't really know how much of an asset he is there.
Really just shocked they went Manning and then Hester.
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Exactly how many of these players drafted will make the Bears team? Seeing as our strong point was defense now the bears drafted strictly defense who gets cut in order for these guys to take over.
My biggest frustration is year in and year out we are drafting guys who will be our next great special team player and yet Angelo hasn't found the replacement. Where's the ownership in these crummy picks? Looks like Angelo, again is expecting our defense to outscore our offense.
What exactly is this Bear football people speak of??? Does this mean if we had a chance at Peyton Manning we would have passed on him because he would not fit Bear football? As offenses and defenses change the Bears need to change accordingly, instead we are stuck in 1960's style football.
Again I apologize for my frustration but the Bears had a chance to shore up their biggest weakness (offense) and they decided to do nothing about it.
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NattyDread
Footballguy
I disagree somewhat with the frustrations being expressed by Bears fans here. Sure we didn't pick up any of the name brand players, but given that the Bears return so many of their starters, they were in a position to draft for depth. All of the skill positions on offense have young players who they still want to give some time to grow. Here I can see why they may not want to take another young player who'll steal playing time. Of course the exception is tight end, but that position is not featured in Turner's offense.
On defense however, the Panthers and Steelers games exposed some weak links in their armor. Clearly they're suffering from team speed in the secondary. Hester and Manning immediately become the two fastest members in the secondary in addition to providing special teams juice. On the defensive line, the undersized gap penetrating style prefered by Lovie leaves the team suspect to being worn down by power running teams. Dvorcek (sp?) and Anderson provide extra bodies to a group suffering from the injury to Tank Johnson and underwhelming play by Michael Haynes and Alfonso Boone. Finally they had to take a outside linebacker in the event that Briggs holds out or leaves after the season.
Barring injury, I don't think any of these players are poised to make an impact in 2006, but they weren't drafting for immediate starters. We've already got the starting lineup covered. Angelo and the scouting staff have done a solid job in recent years in the middle of the draft, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. It's just a tough thing to do to grade a draft before a year or two.
On defense however, the Panthers and Steelers games exposed some weak links in their armor. Clearly they're suffering from team speed in the secondary. Hester and Manning immediately become the two fastest members in the secondary in addition to providing special teams juice. On the defensive line, the undersized gap penetrating style prefered by Lovie leaves the team suspect to being worn down by power running teams. Dvorcek (sp?) and Anderson provide extra bodies to a group suffering from the injury to Tank Johnson and underwhelming play by Michael Haynes and Alfonso Boone. Finally they had to take a outside linebacker in the event that Briggs holds out or leaves after the season.
Barring injury, I don't think any of these players are poised to make an impact in 2006, but they weren't drafting for immediate starters. We've already got the starting lineup covered. Angelo and the scouting staff have done a solid job in recent years in the middle of the draft, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. It's just a tough thing to do to grade a draft before a year or two.
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
I was thinking about this while working out this afternoon....
The Bears drafted Return Specialist Devin Hester with the 57th overall pick (2nd round)
Where were some of the other 'all time great RETURN SPECIALISTS' drafted?
Billy White Shoes Johnson? 15th round
Dave Meggett? 5th round
Brian Mitchell? 5th round
Mel Gray? 2nd round in the SUPPLEMENTAL USFL DRAFT (42nd overall)
I sure as hell hope Jerry Angelo knows what he's doing, because the aforementioned are the ALL TIME GREATS, and they certainly weren't drafted as early as Devin Hester.
With that said, I really hope this speedy mofo returns a couple this year to take some pressure off the offense AND Jerry Angelo. The second he muffs one inside the 10 yard line, they'll be calling for Angelo's head.
The Bears drafted Return Specialist Devin Hester with the 57th overall pick (2nd round)
Where were some of the other 'all time great RETURN SPECIALISTS' drafted?
Billy White Shoes Johnson? 15th round
Dave Meggett? 5th round
Brian Mitchell? 5th round
Mel Gray? 2nd round in the SUPPLEMENTAL USFL DRAFT (42nd overall)
I sure as hell hope Jerry Angelo knows what he's doing, because the aforementioned are the ALL TIME GREATS, and they certainly weren't drafted as early as Devin Hester.
With that said, I really hope this speedy mofo returns a couple this year to take some pressure off the offense AND Jerry Angelo. The second he muffs one inside the 10 yard line, they'll be calling for Angelo's head.
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