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I think it will help the downfield passing game, so that should make things better for Spiller as teams won't be able to stack the box as much and they should be able to convert more 3rd downs to sustain longer drives. But, it also figures to change the play calling as Orton isn't all that mobile and I could see Jackson being kept in more for pass protection.

 
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I think it will help the downfield passing game, so that should make it good for Spiller as teams won't be able to stack the box as much and they should be able to convert more 3rd downs to sustain longer drives. But, it also figures to change the play calling as Orton isn't all that mobile and I could see Jackson being kept in more for pass protection.
Now that we've established a sales strategy...

 
Just awful, not playable, and i've been one of his biggest supporters for years.

some of his blocking attempts are just laughable.

 
Just awful, not playable, and i've been one of his biggest supporters for years.

some of his blocking attempts are just laughable.
The whiffed 1st quarter block was bad. But the poor rushing yardage today was more of a reflection of Detroit's defensive line.

 
fred jackson is just better. hes better at all facets of the game outside of dynamic plays in space which dont happen all that often. its not a knock on the guy. fjax is just a really good player. he beat out lynch and sent him packing. its really no surprise that spiller cant outplay him.

 
Jackson is a beast. The only bit that's frustrating to me is the volume of short receptions he gets. He's fine at them and usually makes a nice gain, but with the little bit of space he always gets, I can't help but think Spiller would also be great in that situation and would have the increased potential to bust out some massive runs.

 
Jackson is a beast. The only bit that's frustrating to me is the volume of short receptions he gets. He's fine at them and usually makes a nice gain, but with the little bit of space he always gets, I can't help but think Spiller would also be great in that situation and would have the increased potential to bust out some massive runs.
Just not going to happen with this coaching staff. Really pissed I kept this guy...

 
unless you are in a league where he gets you the returns yards/TD's, I think Spiller is just a bench stash at this point in case of Fred Jackson injury. I can't see starting him at this point unless you are desperate or in a very deep league.

 
Yeah, me too. Got him pretty cheap as my #3 RB in auction and now I might outright drop him. The usage isn't great and the production when used is atrocious. Dead weight.

 
The usage is dreadful from what I saw against the Lions. The only plays they were giving him was to run it up the guts. I just don't get it. Jackson is great all round, but he'd surely be suited to being given more of those touches, with Spiller getting some more of the short receptions ? Jackson is a bit stronger and runs angrier, Spiller more elusive and fast. From where I'm sat, the Bills could be getting better results on both the short receptions and running up the middle, simply by switching them. I'm convinced Spiller would've broken off a few big ones to the house if he'd been getting some of those Jackson receptions.

Considering dropping him tbh, with RB troubles and Matthews, Patterson and Gordon using up space on my bench. Patterson is def for the chop this week and Spiller may follow

 
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fred jackson is just better. hes better at all facets of the game outside of dynamic plays in space which dont happen all that often. its not a knock on the guy. fjax is just a really good player. he beat out lynch and sent him packing. its really no surprise that spiller cant outplay him.
Agree. Jackson is one of the most underrated players in the league. He is just all around good. Its not a knock on Spiller who is also very talented. I think the other issue is that both of these guys would not make it through an entire season if they were the single feature back.

 
I haven't seen much of the Bills games, are they even attempting to get Spiller in space at all? He's maxing out at 3 rec/game, he should be getting 6+ targets easily in the passing game, Doug Marrone is terrible, shocker

 
you guys still chasing those 2012 points?

go out and get yourselves one of these new smartphones
Unfortunately I guess I am. Owned him that year and it was awesome. I haven't got to watch him very much this year but if they are just trying to pound him up the middle it won't work well. They need to watch the '12 film.

 
The most surprising thing to me at this point (actually, since week 1) is the FBG staff still puts Spiller ahead of Freddie in the weekly rankings.

 
So glad I never invested in this guy. Seems to be one of the most frustrating players a person can own in fantasy. All the talent and none of the production.

For you guys that are owners, can you even trade him (can you get an offer OR can you stomach to pull the trigger)?

 
So glad I never invested in this guy. Seems to be one of the most frustrating players a person can own in fantasy. All the talent and none of the production.

For you guys that are owners, can you even trade him (can you get an offer OR can you stomach to pull the trigger)?
You looking to trade for him as a buy low?

 
Is it such a terrible idea to consider him as a buy low? I know Jackson is better and the lead dog right now, but last year when Spiller was healthy, he was productive... though he was maddening for his owners. Offense can't be any worse with Orton than it was with Manuel. Jackson is 33 years old.

Here's the thing... Spiller got hurt Week 4 last year with the ankle... looked rough for a while.

Second half of 2013 (final 8 games when presumably more healthy):

112 rushing attempts

571 rushing yards (5.09YPC)

19 receptions

149 receiving yards (7.84YPR)

1 TD

That averaged out to 11.4 PPG in PPR over that stretch. Not a world beater, obviously, but a solid RB2 that could win a week for you on a couple of plays.

ETA -- In dynasty, with his contract up, he could be an even better buy, though he'll turn 28 before next year.

 
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The usage is dreadful from what I saw against the Lions. The only plays they were giving him was to run it up the guts. I just don't get it. Jackson is great all round, but he'd surely be suited to being given more of those touches, with Spiller getting some more of the short receptions ? Jackson is a bit stronger and runs angrier, Spiller more elusive and fast. From where I'm sat, the Bills could be getting better results on both the short receptions and running up the middle, simply by switching them. I'm convinced Spiller would've broken off a few big ones to the house if he'd been getting some of those Jackson receptions.

Considering dropping him tbh, with RB troubles and Matthews, Patterson and Gordon using up space on my bench. Patterson is def for the chop this week and Spiller may follow
The biggest problem is that the Bills coaches have far less trust in Spiller to be in the backfield on passing downs, so it's such an obvious tip-off to the defense that a run play is coming.

 
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So what's the difference between this year and couple years ago when he had a monster year? Isn't it that he got plenty of touches back then and not nearly enough now? What's the problem here?

 
So what's the difference between this year and couple years ago when he had a monster year? Isn't it that he got plenty of touches back then and not nearly enough now? What's the problem here?
Different coaching staff and offensive system along with less talent on the offensive line (particularly the guards). Also, Spiller was racking up big games in the second half of 2012 when Fred Jackson was out with a leg injury.

 
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At this point Spiller has lost all value. He's become the backup RB on a bad offense. They love Fred Jackson. It's not that Spiller isn't performing, it's that he isn't getting the opportunity.

Unless Fred Jackson gets hurt, Spiller is just a backup.

 
Well I shouldn't say a monster year in the past but...

He did show signs of RB1 at the end of 2012 season.
I truly think he could be a RB1 if Fred Jackson wasn't there. But the coaching staff obviously doesn't feel the same way and they see him every day in practice. I'm just going by what I've seen when he's been given the opportunity.

 
At this point Spiller has lost all value. He's become the backup RB on a bad offense. They love Fred Jackson. It's not that Spiller isn't performing, it's that he isn't getting the opportunity.

Unless Fred Jackson gets hurt, Spiller is just a backup.
Don't fix what ain't broke. Spiller got 10 carries last week...he's got opportunities. Jackson is defying Father Time. They're wise to ride him.

And I'm a Spiller owner

 
Well I shouldn't say a monster year in the past but...

He did show signs of RB1 at the end of 2012 season.
I think 1700 yards from scrimmage, and 6 yards per carry qualifies as a monster year.

it also helped him that 2012 was probably Fred Jackson's worst year.

 
After rewatching the game, I can completely understand why the continue to run FJax. Superior blocker (Spiller almost let up a safety), superior inside runner, good hands.

 
With all the options on the waiver wire this week, are any of you cutting Spiller loose? I'm really tempted. I hate seeing him on my roster...

 
With all the options on the waiver wire this week, are any of you cutting Spiller loose? I'm really tempted. I hate seeing him on my roster...
It's tough. At this point he's unstartable. If I'm in dynasty, I try to acquire Spiller on the cheap right now and stash him for next year when he goes to an offense that understands how to use him (whether he's a bad blocker or not, it's pathetic how Buffalo uses him).

If I'm in re-draft, he's just a handcuff, though arguably the most talented handcuff in the league.

 
Fred Jackson on the injury report with an ankle injury this week.
he was really slow to get up last week, but seems rather indestructible.

Bills may want to consider giving Bryce Brown a shot because Spiller isn't getting anything done right now. Not all his fault, but he just isn't showing improvement.

 
Fred Jackson on the injury report with an ankle injury this week.
he was really slow to get up last week, but seems rather indestructible.

Bills may want to consider giving Bryce Brown a shot because Spiller isn't getting anything done right now. Not all his fault, but he just isn't showing improvement.
He won't show any improvement until the Bills start using him more on passing downs. Teams can tee off against the run with confidence when Spiller is in.

 
RB 23 in my ESPN league (no PPR or return yardage); RB14 in my Yahoo PPR (1 pt per 50 return yards)

He has been getting more touches than Fred in every game this year minus the last where he completely whiffed a pass block right at the outset of the game.

Seems right in line with expectations; we bought higher because of the upside right?

 
RB 23 in my ESPN league (no PPR or return yardage); RB14 in my Yahoo PPR (1 pt per 50 return yards)

He has been getting more touches than Fred in every game this year minus the last where he completely whiffed a pass block right at the outset of the game.

Seems right in line with expectations; we bought higher because of the upside right?
I'm only in PPR leagues and he's currently RB23 but those are performance based leagues which gave him 6 points for his return TD and if you took that out he would fall to RB30. This is total points and some RB's have had byes so he'd drop a tad if you compute that but not much.

So basically a middling to high end RB3 depending in PPR leagues depending on your scoring.

I don't see how that makes him unusable, unstartable or untradeable or any of that stuff I keep hearing people mention in this thread.

 
Rotoworld:

C.J. Spiller - RB - Bills

C.J. Spiller has 34 carries of two yards or less.

More than half of Spiller's carries have been stopped at or near the line of scrimmage. Outside of a 47-yard run in Week 2, he's averaging just 2.8 YPC. It's as much an indictment on OC Nathaniel Hackett as it is Spiller. The Bills have yet to establish a running game, and have 57:43 Pass/Run ratio despite one of the worst quarterback situations in the league. Spiller has struggled in pass protection, and was benched in the second quarter after missing a blocking assignment last week. The Buffalo News believes Fred Jackson "deserves to be the primary ball carrier" going forward.

Source: Buffalo News

Oct 8 - 6:25 PM
 
F Jax not practicing Friday with an illness. He was already limited with ankle issues earlier in the week. Should his "questionable" tag end up being "out", is Spiller worth a start at home vs New England?

 
Oh god. Don't do it to me. I'd just got around the fact that Spiller was gonna be sitting on my bench until further notice. Perhaps even dropped.

 
If Jackson was out, I assume Spiller would certainly get a bigger role, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they gave more work to Anthony Dixon and/or Bryce Brown too so the bump may not be as big as most would expect to see.

 

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