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Official Corey Coleman - WR - Patriots (3 Viewers)

Rhythmdoctor said:
I went zero WR last night and unfortunately Coleman is my WR1. I can still hope and pray, right?
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Well, on the bright side no one can say that you have a fear of commitment.  

When you say you are going with a strategy you definitely mean it.

 
Chaka said:
Everything.  Kizer, limited attempts, Coleman didn't do much to impress last year etc.
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Hugh Jackson generally likes to run the ball anyway. Plus he has a rookie QB who will run himself on about 15%-20% of his attempts. Doesn't look like Coleman will get many targets. I'd prefer second year guys like Doctson, Fuller (he'll be back), or Meredith. Oh and Michael Thomas. 

 
cloppbeast said:
Hugh Jackson generally likes to run the ball anyway. Plus he has a rookie QB who will run himself on about 15%-20% of his attempts. Doesn't look like Coleman will get many targets. I'd prefer second year guys like Doctson, Fuller (he'll be back), or Meredith. Oh and Michael Thomas. 
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Most coaches would love to run the ball all game. However when you are playing from behind you typically take to the air. Hue historically does like taking shots downfield which seems to be where Coleman can be most dangerous.

 
King of the Jungle said:
Most coaches would love to run the ball all game. However when you are playing from behind you typically take to the air. Hue historically does like taking shots downfield which seems to be where Coleman can be most dangerous.
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I'm sure he'll get some bombs thrown his way. But all things considered, still not the best situation for a second year WR to put up monster stats. You have to really believe in this kid to take him at his current ADP.

 
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cloppbeast said:
I'm sure he'll get some bombs thrown his way. But all things considered, still not the best situation for a second year WR. You have to really believe in this kid to take him at his current ADP.
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Took him in round 13 in a 12 team standard last night as my WR5. He's a mere dart throw for me. I'll give him a few weeks to see what he does and I can always hit the ww if he doesn't pan out. But I agree 10th or before I like other players' situations better.

 
ponchsox said:
Took him in round 13 in a 12 team standard last night as my WR5. He's a mere dart throw for me. I'll give him a few weeks to see what he does and I can always hit the ww if he doesn't pan out. But I agree 10th or before I like other players' situations better.
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I'd like him in the 13th, not in the 8th like I've been seeing.

 
mr roboto said:
Draft stock went up after yesterday I'd imagine. 
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Really? Why would you say that?

I can't imagine going after him in a redraft this year. Not a total "avoid at all costs" guy because he has physical talent but this looks like a recipe for a Not-Very-Much salad.

 
Chaka said:
Really? Why would you say that?

I can't imagine going after him in a redraft this year. Not a total "avoid at all costs" guy because he has physical talent but this looks like a recipe for a Not-Very-Much salad.
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Cleveland #1 WR have been good fantasy producers. Pryor last year with an awful QB and look at what Benjamin did a few years ago.

 
ponchsox said:
Cleveland #1 WR have been good fantasy producers. Pryor last year with an awful QB and look at what Benjamin did a few years ago.
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Fair enough 1,007 yards & 4 TDs was definitely a welcome surprise even if it was volume dependent (140 targets, 55% catch rate). What Benjamin did under a different head coach is not relevant IMO.  I think Pryor is far more physically gifted than anyone on the Cleveland roster, including Coleman, and of the WRs on their roster it seems like Britt is the most likely to fill Pryor's role. Plus we don't even know that Kizer can complete even 50% of his passes. Last night he was 6 of 18 and I think he is just under 50% on the preseason against vanilla packages and, until last night, second and third stringers.

This situation screams "avoid" until last quarter of redrafts (at best).

 
Chaka said:
Fair enough 1,007 yards & 4 TDs was definitely a welcome surprise even if it was volume dependent (140 targets, 55% catch rate). What Benjamin did under a different head coach is not relevant IMO.  I think Pryor is far more physically gifted than anyone on the Cleveland roster, including Coleman, and of the WRs on their roster it seems like Britt is the most likely to fill Pryor's role. Plus we don't even know that Kizer can complete even 50% of his passes. Last night he was 6 of 18 and I think he is just under 50% on the preseason against vanilla packages and, until last night, second and third stringers.

This situation screams "avoid" until last quarter of redrafts (at best).
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Agree with a lot of this except Coleman is every bit the athlete Pryor is, he's just not as big.

 
Milkman said:
Agree with a lot of this except Coleman is every bit the athlete Pryor is, he's just not as big.
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Maybe he is, I'm no talent evaluator. But if he's not as big (and I don't think he's as fast either) then I am still not convinced he will be the one to benefit from Pryor's departure. Do we think Coleman will assume Pryor's role (and his route tree) or will that be Britt?  Can Kizer consistently hit the touch passes, the tight windows, the outs, the seams etc?  Can Coleman make those plays on the 50:50 balls that Pryor could outsize/muscle?

Yeah, I'm okay with being wrong about this season and passing on Coleman for someone maybe less talented but in a better offense. Although I haven't done a mock where I really paid attention to who was available when Coleman gets drafted.

 
Chaka said:
Really? Why would you say that?

I can't imagine going after him in a redraft this year. Not a total "avoid at all costs" guy because he has physical talent but this looks like a recipe for a Not-Very-Much salad.
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Why?  Cause he was targeted heavily by their potential long-term franchise QB. Because he's miles more talented than Britt. Because the Browns are awful and will be playing from behind a lot. 

 
Chaka said:
Maybe he is, I'm no talent evaluator. But if he's not as big (and I don't think he's as fast either) then I am still not convinced he will be the one to benefit from Pryor's departure. Do we think Coleman will assume Pryor's role (and his route tree) or will that be Britt?  Can Kizer consistently hit the touch passes, the tight windows, the outs, the seams etc?  Can Coleman make those plays on the 50:50 balls that Pryor could outsize/muscle?

Yeah, I'm okay with being wrong about this season and passing on Coleman for someone maybe less talented but in a better offense. Although I haven't done a mock where I really paid attention to who was available when Coleman gets drafted.
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Agree with a lot of the questions you're asking just pointing out Coleman is a freak athlete.  Not many players in the league as athletic as he is......

 
I think Coleman has a MUCH greater chance to make an impact in fantasy with Kiser under center than Osweiler. 

 
Love Coleman's talent, but have a lot of doubt that Kizer can make him a consistent WR threat until he (Kizer) gets acclimated to the pro game.

Sure, Coleman will catch some bombs along the way, but I don't want my fantasy lineup week in and week out to depend on those.

 
zamboni said:
Love Coleman's talent, but have a lot of doubt that Kizer can make him a consistent WR threat until he (Kizer) gets acclimated to the pro game.

Sure, Coleman will catch some bombs along the way, but I don't want my fantasy lineup week in and week out to depend on those.
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He's a nice bench WR in a 12 team standard league. He's going to have a few monster games this year so if you use him as a bye week filler you hope he hits that week. A lot of 2/30 games mixed in.

 
ponchsox said:
zamboni said:
Love Coleman's talent, but have a lot of doubt that Kizer can make him a consistent WR threat until he (Kizer) gets acclimated to the pro game.

Sure, Coleman will catch some bombs along the way, but I don't want my fantasy lineup week in and week out to depend on those.
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He's a nice bench WR in a 12 team standard league. He's going to have a few monster games this year so if you use him as a bye week filler you hope he hits that week. A lot of 2/30 games mixed in.
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Pretty much sums up my expectations. He's my WR5. took him in the 13th. Not sure he'll outperform my WR6 or WR7 (Corey Davis and Kupp.)

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Not that I know of but that is what he has shown in preseason.
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Okay I just watched the "Every play from week 3" footage on Kizer. He starts off very impressive and overall it was notable that most of his passes traveled over 10 yards in the air. Coleman certainly seems to have good hands and I think Kizer will radar lock on him and give him an opportunity to come down with passes that, maybe shouldn't be thrown.  On the note I could see Kizer leading the league in INTs, maybe by a wide margin. He threw one pick but three other passes could have been picks. He won't get bailed out on those during the regular season.

Coleman looks like he will be getting opportunities and that is all you can ask. I wouldn't want to rely on him regularly but I can see him as a flex play/bye week guy. IMO with Kizer at QB he maybe has low WR#2 upside but I think it is closer to mid WR#3 when the dust settles.

 
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Chaka said:
Okay I just watched the "Every play from week 3" footage on Kizer. He starts off very impressive and overall it was notable that most of his passes traveled over 10 yards in the air. Coleman certainly seems to have good hands and I think Kizer will radar lock on him and give him an opportunity to come down with passes that, maybe shouldn't be thrown.  On the note I could see Kizer leading the league in INTs, maybe by a wide margin. He threw one pick but three other passes could have been picks. He won't get bailed out on those during the regular season.

Coleman looks like he will be getting opportunities and that is all you can ask. I wouldn't want to rely on him regularly but I can see him as a flex play/bye week guy. IMO with Kizer at QB he maybe has low WR#2 upside but I think it is closer to mid WR#3 when the dust settles.
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Can't argue with much there. Coleman is my WR4. I think those of us who have him in that range should be pretty happy if he can be a mid-range WR3 this season.

 
Browns placed WR Corey Coleman on injured reserve with a broken hand.

Coleman underwent surgery on his broken right hand Monday. The second-year pro is expected to be one of the Browns' "return" players. He can resume practicing in six weeks and return to game action in eight. That timeline pretty much takes him off the table as a hold in 12-team leagues, though Coleman should make an impact upon his return. He was off to a solid start, and the Browns have a dire situation at receiver.
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In dynasty formats, this broken hand for Coleman becomes a great opportunity for sharks to do a buy low from owners who don't have the patience and savvy to wait for Coleman to emerge on the other side of the broken hand. That coupled with the wait for Kizer's development have current owners giving up on Coleman in just his second year. Not to mention some owners might be scared that a broken hand is a very bad thing to happen to a wide receiver.  Way too early to give up on Coleman in Dynasty. Go scoop him up for pennies on the dollar from the owner in your league who has him.

 
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pghrob said:
In dynasty formats, this broken hand for Coleman becomes a great opportunity for sharks to do a buy low from owners who don't have the patience and savvy to wait for Coleman to emerge on the other side of the broken hand. That coupled with the wait for Kizer's development have current owners giving up on Coleman in just his second year. Not to mention some owners might be scared that a broken hand is a very bad thing to happen to a wide receiver.  Way too early to give up on Coleman in Dynasty. Go scoop him up for pennies on the dollar from the owner in your league who has him.
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What type of offer

 
Ideally, it would be a player on your bench today who can help his team today, whom you would be okay to lose. It could also be a middling starter on your team that you can part with. The latter would be a loss lead if your bench player to replace the middling starter is a big drop off. 

Sharper Corey Coleman owners likely won't part with him. But if they are desperate to win now and can trade him to improve their team now by trading him, they might pull the trigger.

The type of player like that that I would offer might be an aging Emmanuel Sanders or Pierre Garcon or even a T.Y. Hilton or Desean Jackson.  These are the type of players who might not be in your starting lineup every week for whatever reason, but are proven players that have a better chance of helping a struggling Corey Coleman owner start winning now. If you don't need them in your lineup to win now you trade them and maybe even a third-round rookie pick next year to pick up Coleman on his promise of future dividends.

 
pghrob said:
 Go scoop him up for pennies on the dollar from the owner in your league who has him.
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It's possible that this may happen in some dynasty leagues where there is a perfect storm of situations (injuries,bye week deficiencies, etc.) but in a VAST majority the Coleman owner isn't selling for pennies. 

I know I'm not...and I get offers constantly.

 
If my "pennies on the dollar" comment was received as hyperbole, then nstead, if you think you want him, now is a good time to try and make an offer.  A frustrated or impatient owner might sell low. 

 
pghrob said:
The type of player like that that I would offer might be an aging Emmanuel Sanders or Pierre Garcon or even a T.Y. Hilton or Desean Jackson.  These are the type of players who might not be in your starting lineup every week for whatever reason, but are proven players that have a better chance of helping a struggling Corey Coleman owner start winning now. If you don't need them in your lineup to win now you trade them and maybe even a third-round rookie pick next year to pick up Coleman on his promise of future dividends.
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I like coco,  but I wouldn't trade Hilton for three copies of him, even if he didn't have a broken hand.

 
Crucify me guys. Lol. My posts were lazily written and deserving of critical replies. Hilton definitely is not pennies on the dollar for Corey Coleman.

 
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pghrob said:
If my "pennies on the dollar" comment was received as hyperbole, then nstead, if you think you want him, now is a good time to try and make an offer.  A frustrated or impatient owner might sell low. 
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yeah...understood.

coleman is a hold if you own him. you're not going to sell at a discount on a young talented wr and you're not going to get what his true worth is right now.

HOLD.

 
Dedfin said:
I don't play in dynasty leagues with people like this.
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Exactly. I was Coleman owner. I'm contending this year but needed to replace him in starting lineup. So moved him and 2018 first to bottom four team for Amari. I feel that was good value for both parties. Certainly not pennies on the dollar. 

Honestly, rather glad to be rid of a wr who broke same hand twice in two years. I don't feel players should be labelled with a vague injury prone label, but that certainly sounds like it could be a recurring injury. 

 
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pghrob said:
If my "pennies on the dollar" comment was received as hyperbole, then nstead, if you think you want him, now is a good time to try and make an offer.  A frustrated or impatient owner might sell low. 
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Ha no worries. Yes I agree with this. Frustrated owner who will sell low

 
tombonneau said:
Exactly. I was Coleman owner. I'm contending this year but needed to replace him in starting lineup. So moved him to bottom four team for Amari and 2018 first. I feel that was good value for both parties. Certainly not pennies on the dollar. 

Honestly, rather glad to be rid of a wr who broke same hand twice in two years. I don't feel players should be labelled with a vague injury prone label, but that certainly sounds like it could be a recurring injury. 
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No way in hell you got Cooper and a first for Corey Coleman. 

 
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Dope said:
Still....that's a good pull.

Great actually and i dont love amari
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Thanks. It was one of those offers that was more meant to get discussions going and see if he was on the table. Wanted to be favorable but not insulting. Surprisingly it was instant accept. Just goes to show you never know what the other guy is thinking. 

 
I just took a major risk on this guy, giving up a future 1st and change in a dynasty league for him.  But I really like his measurables, his athleticism, how he looks when running the football.....I even kind of like his situation despite the fact that Cleveland is a dumpster fire.  Curious to hear what folks are thinking about him in his second injury-marred season.  Had he come out with the 2017 class, would he have been between Davis and Golladay?  Can we expect a third year breakout next season from him, and if so, what is his ceiling for that campaign?

 
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