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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (7 Viewers)

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Had both Pfizer shots and had the first two booster shots—but nothing after. Got Covid 5-6 weeks ago. Kicked my butt for about 3-4 days. Really bad headaches, body aches (especially so in my legs), bad fatigue, lost my sense of smell completely, and lost a lot of my sense of taste. Was offered paxlovid from my doctor, but I declined it as I didn’t feel like my Covid case was “severe”. Covid was definitely worse for me than any of my jabs of the vaccine. The weird thing about Covid is that I find the aftermath of it to be more concerning/annoying than what I battled during the onset of it. Weeks after having it—I still have episodes where I randomly just have moments where I feel completely sapped of my energy out of nowhere. I’ll sometimes hear my breathing devolve into wheezing. Before Covid, I was walking 20-25k steps a day on average—and now—I’m barely doing 15-16k and am feeling completely fatigued. My sense of smell is still very limited, and my sense of taste has improved, but it still isn’t anywhere close To what it was. Covid is definitely unlike any other disease I have ever experienced. I know this is not a helpful description—but it just feels different.
Pretty sure with Paxlovid, you take it before it has a chance to become severe. That's why you have to take it within 5 days of symptoms. Before then, you have no idea if it will become severe or not.
 
I was under the impression that the reason the COVID vaccines hit harder than other vaccines is that in the scramble to get them out, they did not "optimize" them to prevent these reactions like they can with the flu shots. Haven't they had enough time to work in these optimizations in by now?
Probably, yeah. I got a booster very early, and it was a full-on dose of Moderna, just like the first two. They cut that dose in half shortly after.

I know you and I agree on this, but it's worth noting that the "scramble" was fine. Getting an effective vaccine out there was way more important than getting the dose absolutely optimized.
 
I was under the impression that the reason the COVID vaccines hit harder than other vaccines is that in the scramble to get them out, they did not "optimize" them to prevent these reactions like they can with the flu shots. Haven't they had enough time to work in these optimizations in by now?
Probably, yeah. I got a booster very early, and it was a full-on dose of Moderna, just like the first two. They cut that dose in half shortly after.

I know you and I agree on this, but it's worth noting that the "scramble" was fine. Getting an effective vaccine out there was way more important than getting the dose absolutely optimized.

Agree. Sometimes, I'm actually kind of sad I barely get a reaction from the vaccines. I like that reassurance that it's working.
 
Why are folks taking paxlovid? I thought that was really reserved for high risk people? My friend’s wife took it last week, and now has a rebound case. My sister was the same a few months ago. Both normal healthy women. :shrug:
It is, but it’s not hard to find a reason if one considers overweight/obesity, physical inactivity, mental illness and age greater than 50 are among factors that place one at risk.
 
Curious for those who have been vaccinated and then gotten COVID. When you got vaccinated, how "tough" was it on you? Then, when you got COVID, was it better/worse/about the same as when you got vaccinated? Vaccines for me were a problem (have the first three). I was laid up 2-3 days per booster. When I finally got COVID after 3.5 years, I was out of pocket for a day maybe a day and a half and the fever didn't last nearly as long...it was the sheer volume of crap in my head that was the hardest part which I didn't experience with vaccinations.
I‘ve had mild to no symptoms after vaccination, and my covid wasn’t too bad, either. But if I had to pick, the illness was worse than the vaccine.

Covid gave me malaise, sore throat and a cough for a couple days.
 
I was under the impression that the reason the COVID vaccines hit harder than other vaccines is that in the scramble to get them out, they did not "optimize" them to prevent these reactions like they can with the flu shots. Haven't they had enough time to work in these optimizations in by now?
No, I don’t think your impression is accurate. Covid and other reactogenic vaccines like shingles just activate the immune system more intensely than other shots, for reasons that aren’t entirely clear (to me, at least).
 
Curious for those who have been vaccinated and then gotten COVID. When you got vaccinated, how "tough" was it on you? Then, when you got COVID, was it better/worse/about the same as when you got vaccinated? Vaccines for me were a problem (have the first three). I was laid up 2-3 days per booster. When I finally got COVID after 3.5 years, I was out of pocket for a day maybe a day and a half and the fever didn't last nearly as long...it was the sheer volume of crap in my head that was the hardest part which I didn't experience with vaccinations.
I had 3 shots of Moderna and they kicked my *** each time. Like 48-72 hours of awfulness.

I have not had covid that I know of
 
Curious for those who have been vaccinated and then gotten COVID. When you got vaccinated, how "tough" was it on you? Then, when you got COVID, was it better/worse/about the same as when you got vaccinated? Vaccines for me were a problem (have the first three). I was laid up 2-3 days per booster. When I finally got COVID after 3.5 years, I was out of pocket for a day maybe a day and a half and the fever didn't last nearly as long...it was the sheer volume of crap in my head that was the hardest part which I didn't experience with vaccinations.
I had 3 shots of Moderna and they kicked my *** each time. Like 48-72 hours of awfulness.

I have not had covid that I know of
Mine was Pfizer
 
Covid vaccine and boosters were not fun for me (Pfizer). Each time was 24-36 hours of feeling "yucky". Just achy, want to lay in bed, no energy. I didn't have any outright fevers that I remember, but it felt like it.

I was one of the first cases of COVID back in early March, 2020. Never had any fever or felt sick but lost taste/smell for a while. That said, I didn't feel quite right for a long, long time (months).

I'm not sure I've had it again although I think I might have in summer 2022. Wasn't memorable.

Vaccine overall has made me feel worse but that's completely fine with me.
 
I do want to add, regarding COVID, I have not had any issues afterwards. Some of you are reporting sequelae weeks after the infection such as sudden coughing spells or fatigue attacks. For me, as soon as it was gone I felt and have continued to feel normal physically and cognitively. For which I am thankful.
 
I do want to add, regarding COVID, I have not had any issues afterwards. Some of you are reporting sequelae weeks after the infection such as sudden coughing spells or fatigue attacks. For me, as soon as it was gone I felt and have continued to feel normal physically and cognitively. For which I am thankful.
Still haven't had COVID :shrug:
 
Nice interview with an immunologist in the NYT today about how immunity to viruses works in general. I think most of us know the basics here already, but some of the items that come up in this -- like the reason why so many younger people are getting shingles now -- were new to me and pretty cool to learn about:
It used to only happen when your immune system fell below a certain level: as you age, you lose your immunological memory and you can get shingles. But in recent years we’ve seen a massive shift in the age of people getting shingles. It used to be mostly people in their 70s or older. Now it’s hitting people in their 30s. And people started to say, well, that’s weird, what’s going on?

Yeah — what is going on?
We used to think we just had this spectacular immune response when we first encountered the virus at, say, age 6, and that the immune response lasted until we were 70. But actually what we were seeing was the effect of an immune system being retrained every time it came into contact with the virus after the initial infection — at 6, and 7, and 8, and so on. Every time your friend got chickenpox, or your neighbor, you got a massive boost. You were re-upping your immune response and diversifying your immunological tools — potentially multiple times a year, a kind of natural booster.
But now, in America, kids get chickenpox vaccines. So you don’t have kids in America getting chickenpox today, and never will. But that means that older Americans, who did get it as kids, are not being exposed again — certainly not multiple times each year. And it turns out that, in the absence of routine re-exposures, that first exposure alone isn’t nearly as good at driving lifelong immunity and warding off shingles until you immune system begins to fall apart in old age — it can last until you’re in your 30s, for example but not until your 70s.
On the Covid-19 front, good news for infants and bad news for old people:
We’ve seen a dramatic reduction in mortality. We’ve even seen, I’d say, a dramatic decline in rates of serious long Covid per infection.

But I do think it’s going to be a while before this virus becomes completely normal. And I’ve never been convinced that this current generation of elderly people will ever get to a place where it is completely normal. If you’re 65 or 75 or even older — it’s really hard to teach an immune system new tricks if you’re that age. And so while we may see excess mortality in the elderly decline somewhat, I don’t think we’ll see it ever disappear for this generation who was already old when the pandemic hit. Many will never develop that robust, long-term immunological memory we would want to see — and which happens naturally to someone who’s been exposed hundreds of times since they were a little baby.
For babies born today, though, I really think they’re not going to view Covid as any different than other viruses. By the time they are 20, it will be like any other virus to them. Because their immune systems will have grown up with it.
The article is paywalled, but you can bypass most of those with the various archive sites.
 
Curious for those who have been vaccinated and then gotten COVID. When you got vaccinated, how "tough" was it on you? Then, when you got COVID, was it better/worse/about the same as when you got vaccinated? Vaccines for me were a problem (have the first three). I was laid up 2-3 days per booster. When I finally got COVID after 3.5 years, I was out of pocket for a day maybe a day and a half and the fever didn't last nearly as long...it was the sheer volume of crap in my head that was the hardest part which I didn't experience with vaccinations.

Like many in here, the vaccine (4 total doses and getting 5th tomorrow) just made me feel crappy for about 24-36 hours. Got Covid I think last May and it sucked ***. Felt and sounded horrible for a week. No lingering problems that I’m aware of but I have felt like my memory has gone to **** since then. Wife says it was always bad 😂
 
I just got back from Disney World last Wednesday and started feeling symptoms that night. Tested positive for Covid last Thursday and felt terrible Friday and Saturday (fever, chills, sore throat, fatigue, etc). I started feeling better Sunday and by Wednesday was back to normal. I am still testing positive this morning so I guess I still need to isolate, even though this is day 9.

My understanding is that I am likely not contagious after day 10 but I am worried that I'll still be testing positive on Sunday (day 11) and I have plans to go to the Steelers game.
 
I just got back from Disney World last Wednesday and started feeling symptoms that night. Tested positive for Covid last Thursday and felt terrible Friday and Saturday (fever, chills, sore throat, fatigue, etc). I started feeling better Sunday and by Wednesday was back to normal. I am still testing positive this morning so I guess I still need to isolate, even though this is day 9.

My understanding is that I am likely not contagious after day 10 but I am worried that I'll still be testing positive on Sunday (day 11) and I have plans to go to the Steelers game.
Pretty sure it's isolate for 5 days once feeling/showing symptoms. My daughter was testing positive 3 weeks after having had it.
 
I just got back from Disney World last Wednesday and started feeling symptoms that night. Tested positive for Covid last Thursday and felt terrible Friday and Saturday (fever, chills, sore throat, fatigue, etc). I started feeling better Sunday and by Wednesday was back to normal. I am still testing positive this morning so I guess I still need to isolate, even though this is day 9.

My understanding is that I am likely not contagious after day 10 but I am worried that I'll still be testing positive on Sunday (day 11) and I have plans to go to the Steelers game.
I'm pretty sure my colleagues are showing up in the office with mild covid at this point. Nobody is isolating for 10 days.

Not telling you what to do, but I would attend the game without reservation, assuming you can stomach to sit through a Steelers game this season (sorry, couldn't resist).
 
I just got back from Disney World last Wednesday and started feeling symptoms that night. Tested positive for Covid last Thursday and felt terrible Friday and Saturday (fever, chills, sore throat, fatigue, etc). I started feeling better Sunday and by Wednesday was back to normal. I am still testing positive this morning so I guess I still need to isolate, even though this is day 9.

My understanding is that I am likely not contagious after day 10 but I am worried that I'll still be testing positive on Sunday (day 11) and I have plans to go to the Steelers game.
I'm pretty sure my colleagues are showing up in the office with mild covid at this point. Nobody is isolating for 10 days.

Not telling you what to do, but I would attend the game without reservation, assuming you can stomach to sit through a Steelers game this season (sorry, couldn't resist).

I would be mad but I know you're right :crying:
 
Nice interview with an immunologist in the NYT today about how immunity to viruses works in general ...

On the Covid-19 front, good news for infants and bad news for old people:
We’ve seen a dramatic reduction in mortality. We’ve even seen, I’d say, a dramatic decline in rates of serious long Covid per infection.

But I do think it’s going to be a while before this virus becomes completely normal. And I’ve never been convinced that this current generation of elderly people will ever get to a place where it is completely normal. If you’re 65 or 75 or even older — it’s really hard to teach an immune system new tricks if you’re that age. And so while we may see excess mortality in the elderly decline somewhat, I don’t think we’ll see it ever disappear for this generation who was already old when the pandemic hit. Many will never develop that robust, long-term immunological memory we would want to see — and which happens naturally to someone who’s been exposed hundreds of times since they were a little baby.
For babies born today, though, I really think they’re not going to view Covid as any different than other viruses. By the time they are 20, it will be like any other virus to them. Because their immune systems will have grown up with it.

The part in red, to my understanding, is how pandemics really and conclusively end. The virus continues to exist and spread, but this spread comes with diminishing impacts over time.

If pandemics' ends just went by case counts, detection in wastewater, and so forth ... we'd be in year 105 of an influenza H1N1 pandemic (aka the 1919 Spanish Flu pandemic).
 
So much sad in that story but I did find this funny: 'he founded Genesis to legalize the use of MMS and avoid going to jail' and 'the Grenons represented themselves'

Bad plan followed by another bad plan.
 
Caught my first "something" since 2019. Got back from Hawaii and a day later had a cough and now sinus issues. Tested 3 times so far, all negative. On day 3 of symptoms. I'm thinking/hoping this is a cold since it started as a cough and that's not the typical COVID progression these days.

There was a jerkoff on the plane back home who was coughing a ton, so I'm thinking I got what he had.
 
Lesson learned this week about home testing.

Our daughter's friend lives with us, sharing a room with my daughter (both young adults, not kids). Daughter's friend tested positive for COVID on a home test this past Saturday. My daughter's symptoms started the same day, so her case is presumptive.

They stayed isolated from my wife and I afterwards, through my wife tested positive Monday. However, I actually tested her twice on Monday -- once early in the morning before she went to work, and then later in the afternoon when she returned. She works at a senior community center, and had to test negative before coming in to the center.

For my wife's morning test, she placed the swab 1/2" or so into her nose as the (FlowFlex) instructions directed. Her test was a clean negative -- no hint of a line. Six hours later, she had struggled through her workday, felt feverish, and felt like "a wet noodle". I gave her a second FlowFlex test, but this time told her to place the swab as far into her nose as she could stand. Doing it this way, she tested a bright-line positive -- no doubt about it.

So when home testing, get that nasal swab right!

(And yes ... I have COVID myself right now. Five vaccinations and one presumptive case to date ... my symptoms so far are mild. Like "would have gone into the office in 2019 without a second thought" mild. Fully expect to skate through.)
 
Lesson learned this week about home testing.

Our daughter's friend lives with us, sharing a room with my daughter (both young adults, not kids). Daughter's friend tested positive for COVID on a home test this past Saturday. My daughter's symptoms started the same day, so her case is presumptive.

They stayed isolated from my wife and I afterwards, through my wife tested positive Monday. However, I actually tested her twice on Monday -- once early in the morning before she went to work, and then later in the afternoon when she returned. She works at a senior community center, and had to test negative before coming in to the center.

For my wife's morning test, she placed the swab 1/2" or so into her nose as the (FlowFlex) instructions directed. Her test was a clean negative -- no hint of a line. Six hours later, she had struggled through her workday, felt feverish, and felt like "a wet noodle". I gave her a second FlowFlex test, but this time told her to place the swab as far into her nose as she could stand. Doing it this way, she tested a bright-line positive -- no doubt about it.

So when home testing, get that nasal swab right!

(And yes ... I have COVID myself right now. Five vaccinations and one presumptive case to date ... my symptoms so far are mild. Like "would have gone into the office in 2019 without a second thought" mild. Fully expect to skate through.)

I'm doing my own experimenting now that I'm sick. We have an abundance of tests from all the government mail orders, plus a few others. I've tested myself four times so far (day 3 of symptoms) all negative. I'm going to be trying a throat swab on one test today. It's the Binax Now kits that have the long swab.
 
Caught my first "something" since 2019. Got back from Hawaii and a day later had a cough and now sinus issues. Tested 3 times so far, all negative. On day 3 of symptoms. I'm thinking/hoping this is a cold since it started as a cough and that's not the typical COVID progression these days.

There was a jerkoff on the plane back home who was coughing a ton, so I'm thinking I got what he had.
Why is the guy on the plane a jerkoff for coughing?
 
Caught my first "something" since 2019. Got back from Hawaii and a day later had a cough and now sinus issues. Tested 3 times so far, all negative. On day 3 of symptoms. I'm thinking/hoping this is a cold since it started as a cough and that's not the typical COVID progression these days.

There was a jerkoff on the plane back home who was coughing a ton, so I'm thinking I got what he had.
Why is the guy on the plane a jerkoff for coughing?
He was obviously sick as hell and knowingly went on a plane without a mask. In this day and age, that’s jerkoff behavior. At least put a ****ing mask on.
 
Caught my first "something" since 2019. Got back from Hawaii and a day later had a cough and now sinus issues. Tested 3 times so far, all negative. On day 3 of symptoms. I'm thinking/hoping this is a cold since it started as a cough and that's not the typical COVID progression these days.

There was a jerkoff on the plane back home who was coughing a ton, so I'm thinking I got what he had.
Why is the guy on the plane a jerkoff for coughing?
He was obviously sick as hell and knowingly went on a plane without a mask. In this day and age, that’s jerkoff behavior. At least put a ****ing mask on.
Oh, you didn't say he was without a mask earlier.
 
After avoiding Covid for 3.5 years (as far as I know) it finally landed here. Wife tested positive today. I'm negative so far. Not sure about the kids yet. She just got the latest vax on September 29th.
 
After avoiding Covid for 3.5 years (as far as I know) it finally landed here. Wife tested positive today. I'm negative so far. Not sure about the kids yet. She just got the latest vax on September 29th.

Hopefully enough time for the vax to be effective. I think they said 2-3 weeks, but I could be wrong. Let us know how she fares
 
I've been on the fence about getting a booster. I've had a couple already, plus I had a very mild infection this spring, so I'm not really sure how much more my immune system really needs. But anecdotally, the people who I know who have gotten covid recently have been sicker than usual, so I figure I should go ahead and get one. Especially since I'm flying in early November and travelling again for Thanksgiving.

Except my pharmacy didn't have any doses! Glad I called ahead. They said they'll probably have some tomorrow so I'll swing in then and hope for the best.
 
After avoiding Covid for 3.5 years (as far as I know) it finally landed here. Wife tested positive today. I'm negative so far. Not sure about the kids yet. She just got the latest vax on September 29th.
This is why my family stopped with the boosters after one round.
This makes no sense. The vaccine preps the immune system so it does a better job fighting the live virus. Are you expecting a vaccine to completely prevent the virus entering your body in order for it to have worth?
 
But anecdotally, the people who I know who have gotten covid recently have been sicker than usual, so I figure I should go ahead and get one.

I can add another anecdote to the pile.

Yesterday morning, I was posting in this thread, pooh-poohing the mild upper respiratory symptoms (see above). A few hours later, the gastro-intestinal effects of COVID started ramping up. Body/joint aches also kicked in. Thus began roughly 24 hours of feeling like utter k-rap.

I am still working from home throughout ... but today, I had to take an afternoon nap to recover some of my ability to concentrate. Since about 3:00 this afteroon, I'm feeling appreciably better. The gastro-intestinal stuff has run it's course and the aches has been waning. I can certainly understand people experiencing today's strains hitting harder than Delta or early Omicron.
 
It does make sense that people may be sicker now, it's been about a year since most have had a booster, so protection is waning. Even more reason to get the annual shots.

I'm on day 6 of my first cold/whatever since 2019. Tested negative 5 times. I have all of the cold symptoms (stuffy nose, cough, sore throat), but none of the covid/flu-unique symptoms (headache, fever, body chills) so I'm thinking I really did just get a cold.
 
it's been about a year since most have had a booster, so protection is waning. Even more reason to get the annual shots.

We've discussed optimum vaccine-release timing upthread. I'm kinda PO'd there wasn't a round initiated before the late-summer/early-fall wave we've had every year four years running. Still think early June releases would be the sweet spot.
 
Here's my wife's current symptoms...

My throat has glass shards. Head throbs. Nose is stuffed but runny. Cannot smell or taste. Ears hurt. Chest is tight.

Took Paxlovid and some other meds the doc prescribed. Does not sound fun.
 
Oh yeah, and kids both tested negative today. I did as well this morning but I have had some sinus and minor scratchy throat the last few days. Not unusual for me though. Hoping it doesn't turn into a positive test.
 
What are you all doing. Seriously. The US is about the only country that has not released data about covid. Go look at the peer reviewed data around the world. Please.
 
I've been on the fence about getting a booster.
Same here. Each shot has knocked me out pretty good. Our entire house (me, wife, two kids) have all avoided a positive case so far, somehow. Starting to think the moops genes are immune to this **** (joking - sort of)
This is in part why I'm trying to follow YLEs idea to get the Novavax this time around. Less side effects. It's now apparently approved, but nowhere to be found around me.
 
it's been about a year since most have had a booster, so protection is waning. Even more reason to get the annual shots.

We've discussed optimum vaccine-release timing upthread. I'm kinda PO'd there wasn't a round initiated before the late-summer/early-fall wave we've had every year four years running. Still think early June releases would be the sweet spot.
Then you're looking at ~6 months out (and waning antibodies) right when the winter respiratory virus season is normally peaking. This is what I was griping about last year when VRBPAC first brought up the "once a year" thing.
 
Then you're looking at ~6 months out (and waning antibodies) right when the winter respiratory virus season is normally peaking. This is what I was griping about last year when VRBPAC first brought up the "once a year" thing
Yes to the blue and yes to the red. Put them together: In these immediate post-pandemic years, it should be semi-annual dosing, not annual. Re-assess a few years in and adjust as needed.

Basically, I feel like if a person wants a vaccine every six months, the vaccine-delivery edifice needs to support that. It's not 2021 anymore -- they don't have to manufacture 150 million doses twice a year. Heck, 20 million doses might be enough at this point.
 
I think this sort of thing has been touched on upthread, but not really in much detail.


Michael Mina

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Now that the GOV is again giving out free rapid tests (http://covidtests.gov)If you do turn Positive this fall/winter, your rapid test may tell you more about your status (at the time of testing) than you think!​
How much time X how dark it gets

I wish we could embed tweets -- he's got a handy dandy little chart uploaded.
 
I think this sort of thing has been touched on upthread, but not really in much detail.



Now that the GOV is again giving out free rapid tests (http://covidtests.gov)If you do turn Positive this fall/winter, your rapid test may tell you more about your status (at the time of testing) than you think!​
How much time X how dark it gets

I wish we could embed tweets -- he's got a handy dandy little chart uploaded.
Interesting. When my wife tested positive it lit up like right away and very dark.
 

After avoiding Covid for 3.5 years (as far as I know) it finally landed here. Wife tested positive today. I'm negative so far. Not sure about the kids yet. She just got the latest vax on September 29th.
Lmao vax is worthless now

Quite the contrast here, as it were.
 
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