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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (7 Viewers)

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Can I get an opinion?

I am more concerned about issues like this than my wife (thanks, mom).

My nephew (29) has a birthday tomorrow and wants to come to my house and bring his girlfriend along with his mom and two sisters and invite my son and his girlfriend to make the trip from Chicago - and have a little get together at my house.

My wife and i are in late 50's.

My sister in law, nephew and my daughter have being physically at work all this week.  My son is in Chicago.  5 of the group is in their 20's.  I had to tell my wife to tell my nephew no.

Am i over-reacting?

 
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Can I get an opinion?

I am more concerned about issues like this than my wife (thanks, mom).

My nephew (29) has a birthday tomorrow and wants to come to my house and bring his girlfriend along with his mom and two sisters and invite my son and his girlfriend to make the trip from Chicago - and have a little get together at my house.

My wife and i are in late 50's.

My sister in law, nephew and my daughter have being physically at work all this week.  My son is in Chicago.  5 of the group is in their 20's.  I had to tell my wife to tell my nephew no.

Am i over-reacting?
Nope, just tell them no.    My kids wanted to go have a sleepover at grandparent's since there's no school, we said that was a bad idea.     They wanted to sleep outside in a tent in the cold, we told them that's a bad idea because if they get sick medical facilities don't need to be dealing with that.      And I think this is all stupid.    

 
Can I get an opinion?

I am more concerned about issues like this than my wife (thanks, mom).

My nephew (29) has a birthday tomorrow and wants to come to my house and bring his girlfriend along with his mom and two sisters and invite my son and his girlfriend to make the trip from Chicago - and have a little get together at my house.

My wife and i are in late 50's.

My sister in law, nephew and my daughter have being physically at work all this week.  My son is in Chicago.  5 of the group is in their 20's.  I had to tell my wife to tell my nephew no.

Am i over-reacting?
Yeah. Live your life

 
Can I get an opinion?

I am more concerned about issues like this than my wife (thanks, mom).

My nephew (29) has a birthday tomorrow and wants to come to my house and bring his girlfriend along with his mom and two sisters and invite my son and his girlfriend to make the trip from Chicago - and have a little get together at my house.

My wife and i are in late 50's.

My sister in law, nephew and my daughter have being physically at work all this week.  My son is in Chicago.  5 of the group is in their 20's.  I had to tell my wife to tell my nephew no.

Am i over-reacting?
I don't think so.  It is the responsible and safe decision to not have this gathering.

 
They started Lombardy quarantine on March 8th and the national quarantine on March 9th. 
 

You can get their historical numbers here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

Their doubling rate has definitely slowed a bit
Great info thanks! 
 

So 12 days post full quarantine... 

They doubled in the last 5 days. 
They doubled in the 3 days prior to quarantine.

That is a pretty good sign! 

Looks like using just the last two days of data, they're still around ~5 day doubling time so perhaps it's plateaued a bit? Surely it has to keep going down if they're actually quarantined right?
 

We're almost 2 weeks past though... hrm 

 
tonydead said:
Are you kidding?  You'd be pissed if you went out today.   Nobody heard Jay's plea yesterday.  Home Depot was packed, I stood in line at the butchers and stopped by the brewery for some growlers. Food trucks outside. If you didnt know better it looked like a regular Saturday in Maple Valley.  I saw packs of kids riding bikes, teenagers stuffed in cars going through the drive threw. One guy, one single guy wearing a respirator at Home Depot was the only tell I saw. Everything else totally normal. 10+ people easy at the RC car park, half of them kids. 
Well I guess King County hasn’t been told to stay in yet. Would be curious what you would see if we did.

But yeah, I’m only seeing this one little area though.  

I’m up just north of downtown (Greenwood) and we walked the hood a bunch today and the small parks were pretty empty. Lots of people walking on the sidewalk, some coffee shops were open but it they had a whole system for ordering that kept everyone separated, lots of drive up and pick up your food places. It was way more empty simply because beer places and restaurants were closed.

Had to go into the office twice last week and roads were empty like a Saturday morning commute. 

It’s weird right now everyone is more friendly than they normally are. I mentioned in another thread that as much craziness and uncertainty people are handling this really well.

 
I can't believe I'm still having to argue on FB with people about why this is not the flu. :wall:  keeping up the good fight though
I had to unfriend a good friend of mine. She's a Trump ### kisser. The disaster that it's become is not his fault. Maybe if he didn't cut the CDC funds back in 2018 and get rid of what Obama put together we wouldn't be in such terrible shape. She defends him like she's married to him. For the sake of my stress level and anger over how behind we are in this, I had to do it. 

 
I had to unfriend a good friend of mine. She's a Trump ### kisser. The disaster that it's become is not his fault. Maybe if he didn't cut the CDC funds back in 2018 and get rid of what Obama put together we wouldn't be in such terrible shape. She defends him like she's married to him. For the sake of my stress level and anger over how behind we are in this, I had to do it. 
Oh I wouldn't have even engaged any political talk. This dude just keeps quoting the flu deaths to date this year and asking why we didn't shut everything down for the flu. Despite me giving him 3 solid reasons, with verifiable sources, as to why. He replies with a fancy chart of flu deaths that was 2 weeks old. :lol:  Beer me. 

 
Can I get an opinion?

I am more concerned about issues like this than my wife (thanks, mom).

My nephew (29) has a birthday tomorrow and wants to come to my house and bring his girlfriend along with his mom and two sisters and invite my son and his girlfriend to make the trip from Chicago - and have a little get together at my house.

My wife and i are in late 50's.

My sister in law, nephew and my daughter have being physically at work all this week.  My son is in Chicago.  5 of the group is in their 20's.  I had to tell my wife to tell my nephew no.

Am i over-reacting?
I wouldn’t do it and I’m a rube from Alabama 

 
Can I get an opinion?

I am more concerned about issues like this than my wife (thanks, mom).

My nephew (29) has a birthday tomorrow and wants to come to my house and bring his girlfriend along with his mom and two sisters and invite my son and his girlfriend to make the trip from Chicago - and have a little get together at my house.

My wife and i are in late 50's.

My sister in law, nephew and my daughter have being physically at work all this week.  My son is in Chicago.  5 of the group is in their 20's.  I had to tell my wife to tell my nephew no.

Am i over-reacting?
No, not at all.

If we lived in the dark ages and there wasn't the option to call, face-time, Skype--whatever maybe, but come on. You stand your ground.

 
Oh I wouldn't have even engaged any political talk. This dude just keeps quoting the flu deaths to date this year and asking why we didn't shut everything down for the flu. Despite me giving him 3 solid reasons, with verifiable sources, as to why. He replies with a fancy chart of flu deaths that was 2 weeks old. :lol:  Beer me. 
I don't post politics and flu v CV-19 on fb for a reason. I don't have the temperament to just ignore the stupids. I feel my blood pressure coming down now. 

 
Can I get an opinion?

I am more concerned about issues like this than my wife (thanks, mom).

My nephew (29) has a birthday tomorrow and wants to come to my house and bring his girlfriend along with his mom and two sisters and invite my son and his girlfriend to make the trip from Chicago - and have a little get together at my house.

My wife and i are in late 50's.

My sister in law, nephew and my daughter have being physically at work all this week.  My son is in Chicago.  5 of the group is in their 20's.  I had to tell my wife to tell my nephew no.

Am i over-reacting?
You're not overreacting.

If you go, stay 6 feet away and don't touch anyone or any items that anyone touched.

 
Can I get an opinion?

I am more concerned about issues like this than my wife (thanks, mom).

My nephew (29) has a birthday tomorrow and wants to come to my house and bring his girlfriend along with his mom and two sisters and invite my son and his girlfriend to make the trip from Chicago - and have a little get together at my house.

My wife and i are in late 50's.

My sister in law, nephew and my daughter have being physically at work all this week.  My son is in Chicago.  5 of the group is in their 20's.  I had to tell my wife to tell my nephew no.

Am i over-reacting?
Of course not. Read this:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/the-story-of-a-coronavirus-infection.html

 
That would be hard to do in your own home.
It is just mind-blowing how people continue to try and justify get-togethers.

My huge, tradition driven family is putting aside April birthday parties and Easter (the first time in my life 50 years being alive)  because we all agree we need to be smart.

I mean it is a small, temporary sacrifice to make for the better good. Sacrifice today--so you can have 20 tomorrows is the way I look at it.

 
tamales said:
I think NY shutting nearly everything down in the last week will definitely flatten the curve. I know optimism is frowned upon in this thread. 
I get what you're saying about optimism, and although we had a back and forth today about your bagel excursion, I wasn't trying (at least initially) to smack you down.  I was genuinely interested in whether others shared my opinion about if they'd cash in an "excursion chip" for a bagel and coffee.  I do think we had a difference of opinion related to whether a bagel and coffee is equivalent to a stock up trip to Costco though.  

Now, people at my company were processing patient info from some severely ill COVID-19 patients earlier today.  This is the most detailed data that's ever been available to anyone before and I hope that it will prove helpful in terms of prevention and treatment.  There will be more data to process early next week and I am quietly confident that it will confirm that our proposed treatment is helping people and can be used to help victims.  More to come.

 
It is just mind-blowing how people continue to try and justify get-togethers.

My huge, tradition driven family is putting aside April birthday parties and Easter (the first time in my life 50 years being alive)  because we all agree we need to be smart.

I mean it is a small, temporary sacrifice to make for the better good. Sacrifice today--so you can have 20 tomorrows is the way I look at it.
March 20 was Iranian new year. It's huge. The tradition is large gatherings of celebrations. Everyone stayed in with their own families. No visiting a different family's house every day for 14 days. It's unreal. But no one wants to not only get sick themselves but not to possibly pass to others. If my highly social party family can do it, anyone can.

 
Within the last 48 hours my wife and I went from a nice trip in NZ to full on panic mode. We cancelled the South Island part of our trip and we’re lucky to get a flight in tonight to LA. I really was hoping for a direct flight to Canada but the next ten days of flights were gone between us “thinking about it” and being sold out. Air New Zealand will shut all international flights down by March 30, so we jumped on whatever we could get.

The airport is a ghost town and of those here at least a third are wearing masks. The PA system has announcement about hand washing and social distancing every two minutes.  My wife and I are just at the point that we want to get to North America. Hopefully things don’t change too drastically that our flight to Vancouver from LA doesn’t get messed up but given the last 48 hours I am not taking anything for granted. From there, we have an overnight layover and then on to Winnipeg ...I can’t remember wanting to go home to snow and below freezing temps before!

 
Within the last 48 hours my wife and I went from a nice trip in NZ to full on panic mode. We cancelled the South Island part of our trip and we’re lucky to get a flight in tonight to LA. I really was hoping for a direct flight to Canada but the next ten days of flights were gone between us “thinking about it” and being sold out. Air New Zealand will shut all international flights down by March 30, so we jumped on whatever we could get.

The airport is a ghost town and of those here at least a third are wearing masks. The PA system has announcement about hand washing and social distancing every two minutes.  My wife and I are just at the point that we want to get to North America. Hopefully things don’t change too drastically that our flight to Vancouver from LA doesn’t get messed up but given the last 48 hours I am not taking anything for granted. From there, we have an overnight layover and then on to Winnipeg ...I can’t remember wanting to go home to snow and below freezing temps before!
Ugh sucks about the trip, I would love to do that vacation.  coming home sounds brutal man.  Good luck and safe travels 

 
Within the last 48 hours my wife and I went from a nice trip in NZ to full on panic mode. We cancelled the South Island part of our trip and we’re lucky to get a flight in tonight to LA. I really was hoping for a direct flight to Canada but the next ten days of flights were gone between us “thinking about it” and being sold out. Air New Zealand will shut all international flights down by March 30, so we jumped on whatever we could get.

The airport is a ghost town and of those here at least a third are wearing masks. The PA system has announcement about hand washing and social distancing every two minutes.  My wife and I are just at the point that we want to get to North America. Hopefully things don’t change too drastically that our flight to Vancouver from LA doesn’t get messed up but given the last 48 hours I am not taking anything for granted. From there, we have an overnight layover and then on to Winnipeg ...I can’t remember wanting to go home to snow and below freezing temps before!
Brutal. Good luck. You'll be home soon and quarantined like the rest of us. Stay well.

 
So it appears in some places they aren't even testing people that have symptoms anymore but instead people where "a positive test result would alter the course of treatment".    

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-21-20-intl-hnk/h_78c431662464112a27434663a0860cdc

This is clearly going to skew all of these numbers fairly drastically.      I mean basically this means you've got this giant pile of people with flu like symptoms there, of those people they're only testing a select few who seem to be serious enough, and of those people only 12% have Corona and the rest have something like the common cold or flu?         I mean really...one reason the hospitals may get flooded is because they've scared everyone that has a minor cold to rushing to the hospital because this "could threaten their life".   

 
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Brutal. Good luck. You'll be home soon and quarantined like the rest of us. Stay well.
We have already placed our online order of food and my sister is picking it up and dropping it off for us. I’m oddly looking forward to hunkering down in the cave and watching Netflix with Mrs. Punk ... stay tuned!

 
Can I get an opinion?

I am more concerned about issues like this than my wife (thanks, mom).

My nephew (29) has a birthday tomorrow and wants to come to my house and bring his girlfriend along with his mom and two sisters and invite my son and his girlfriend to make the trip from Chicago - and have a little get together at my house.

My wife and i are in late 50's.

My sister in law, nephew and my daughter have being physically at work all this week.  My son is in Chicago.  5 of the group is in their 20's.  I had to tell my wife to tell my nephew no.

Am i over-reacting?
Absolutely a no go. Would be a no go in my house. Not seeing any family or friends, except my two old elderly parents who are otherwise mostly shut in and who have come a couple of times to visit out in the backyard, staying 10 feet from everyone at all times.  I’m concerned about the risk to them, I’m equally concerned about their mental well being. It helps them to see us and the grandkids and chat and have some normalcy. But they never come in the house, don’t stay very long, and we make them bring their own coffee. 

 
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my daughter's best friend has this hitting critical mass for us right now ...her father has returned from the streets to take up shelter in their apartment. 

he's vagabond-ish, and i see him 'round the trains and bars every once in awhile, stewed/high out his gotdamn mind.  

so he returned home on Wednesday, according to my daughter ... now she is going stir crazy and wants to go hang over at her friend's - i explained to her how/why that is outta the question, but she countered with pleading to allow her friend over here, instead. 

can't do it.   

first time she's ever mouthed to me with a bunch of attitude and snark (she takes after me).  

when i first explained this to her on 3/13 (the day i shut us all in), she got it.   she's a very bright kid, usually a ton more level headed than this episode allows.  

it feels like we're in a real life version of "THE THING", waiting for McCready to finalize that test - everybody looking suspiciously at each other. 

sometimes i just wanna scream "DAFUQ!!!!" but can't let my girls see that. 

so we see how today plays out, as our numbers continue to skyrocket here -

best to you all.  

 
I literally want to strangle some people.  It's like a separate Homer Simpson disease has descended on the country. The lack of logic and common sense is mind bottling.  There are STILL elected people in charge at local levels who think people should just do whatever they think is right.  :wall:

 
Gawain said:
In NY, the three tier liquor system is considered an essential business. I tell my guys there are three reasons for that:

1) State needs revenue. Liquor stores are a big, easy money maker for the state through excise taxes. State's already going to take a hit on funding.
2) People are going to want to drink, regardless of shelter in place. To prevent speakeasies, bootlegging and home distilling, it's safer and better to keep stores open.
3) We need to keep hospitals clear of non Covid-19 cases. There's a non-miniscule percentage of the population (1%) that would end up in a hospital detoxxing if the supply of booze was just cut off.

I'm thinking that there's a fourth reason as well.

4) I have 50 guys that are trained in warehousing and 50 that are trained in distribution. If this gets real rough, we don't have to store and ship liquor and wine. We can easily transition to move product for the government. I hope that's not needed.

Work is tough. I think I have a mini-panic attack everyday coming home where I convince myself I'll have a 101 temp when I check after sanitizing when walking through the door. It's real tough on the drivers, even though driving is a very safe job. They can control their customer interaction. I can't control where a guy coughed in the warehouse. We currently have 5 folks that are home due to direct contact with a presumed positive or through significant other quarantine.

And with all that, my youngest brother was supposed to get married May 23 and we were supposed to go to Vegas the week before. He's just accepting these won't happen. He is an RN and was supposed to transfer to a dialysis ward. He just got the notice that all transfers are cancelled and that because of his ICU experience, he's going to be part of the COVID-19 triage room. I bought 20 N-95 masks about a month ago when the thread was starting to ramp up. I've used two. Going to give him a call to take the other 18, because it sounds real rough out there.
As a lifetime near-teetotaler, I've been surprised by the number of posts where people mention stocking up on alcohol. It's nowhere on my radar of life's necessities. But you make some excellent points.

I believe there is a fine balance between drinking responsibly and excessively, to make it through these difficult times. Truthfully, I was expecting to see an uptick in hospitalizations for alcohol-related illness. Hopefully your #2 and 3 are correct, and we're preventing an even greater number of withdrawal/poisonings by keeping the liquor flowing.

More importantly, THANK YOU for donating your masks to someone who really needs them. With all the talk of quarantining mail, wiping down pizza boxes, etc., please everybody stop for a moment to think about the relative exposure risk for someone like Gawain's brother.  

 
Walking Boot said:
At the point of when the test would be administered, they're likely being admitted to the hospital. Because the treatment is as if they have a full blown case. 
Limited isolation rooms, masks and other PPE. Plus many hospitals are using dedicated healthcare workers to care for C-19 patients.

 
Walking Boot said:
Exactly. That's why they should save the tests. 

If someone walks into the ER at full blown covid flu symptoms, and whether they actually have it, or the regular flu or pneumonia, you'd give them the same treatment procedures, don't waste a test to confirm what exactly you're treating them for. At that point its just for the paperwork. 
Incorrect. Big difference in how a documented C-19 patient is treated vs. flu vs. bacterial pneumonia vs. ARDS of unclear etiology.

And contact tracing needs to be done on all C-19 patients, typically by the the Department of Health, whether hospitalized of not.

 
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CurlyNight said:
I love the elderly. They are often overlooked in the grand scheme of things. They have stress that if you live to their age, you will probably experience as well. Their wisdom, their experiences in life usually makes for a heartwarming story. I wish the medical field still had geriatrics as a specialty. Unfortunately the elderly are now seeing family medicine specialists or pcps along with the rest of us. 
It still does!

 
One if the hardest parts about all this is the 10-15 seconds when you first wake up in the morning and think about what you want to do that day, or where to go.  Then you remember all this, and that it’s still going on, and likely will be for a while.  Stay strong everyone, and we will get through this 

 
CR69 said:
Oh he should 100% be tested but where else in this country are they doing contact tracing? 

Also. Watching the press conference I don't even see why we have a federal government anymore. They're basically pushing everything on the states. This is insane. 
Many places, usually through state departments of health.

 
Yes, that does seem to be the case. 

For the sake of any that wander into a whole lot of noise, I would like to reiterate that the strong measures (lockdowns / shelter-in-place / flatten the curve) are intended to prevent our the US healthcare system from being overwhelmed. Lots more people die when that happens and many could survive if we just slow it down enough for hospitals to keep up with the demand for treatment.
Unfortunately our system does not look equipped. Like at all. 

Statewide, more than 1,200 people have been hospitalized with the virus, according to Cuomo’s office. About 170 patients were in intensive care units in city hospitals, according to the city.

But even those initial cases were straining the health care system, a worrying sign.

1200 people in the largest city in the US is already straining the system? That sounds very reassuring. 

 
I had to unfriend a good friend of mine. She's a Trump ### kisser. The disaster that it's become is not his fault. Maybe if he didn't cut the CDC funds back in 2018 and get rid of what Obama put together we wouldn't be in such terrible shape. She defends him like she's married to him. For the sake of my stress level and anger over how behind we are in this, I had to do it. 
You need a fact check. Quit listening solely to CNN and celebrities. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/17/instagram-posts/celebrities-are-sharing-misleading-post-about-trum/ 

Our ruling

An Instagram post made four claims that criticize Trump’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

The first, that he "cut funding to the CDC," is partially accurate; Trump tried to cut the agency’s funding, but Congress prevented it from happening. On the second claim, while saying Trump "fired" the "Pandemic Response Team" is a stretch, it’s true that National Security Council staffers left abruptly in 2018 and were not replaced. 

The third claim, that Trump "refused WHO tests," contains a hint of truth, but is mostly inaccurate since the U.S. does not usually rely on the WHO for testing protocols. And the fourth claim, which says Trump "wasted two weeks calling this outbreak a ‘Democrat hoax,’" is inaccurate — the president has not called the virus itself a "hoax," just the Democrats’ response to it.

As a whole, the Instagram post contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

 
Unfortunately our system does not look equipped. Like at all. 

Statewide, more than 1,200 people have been hospitalized with the virus, according to Cuomo’s office. About 170 patients were in intensive care units in city hospitals, according to the city.

But even those initial cases were straining the health care system, a worrying sign.

1200 people in the largest city in the US is already straining the system? That sounds very reassuring. 
A week ago, I was expecting NYC to be bad, but with the testing being behind there was no way to know just how bad. But now that testing is catching up to that of Italy, we can start to compare the two.

Italy went into lockdown on March 9th, and on that day they had 152 cases per million of population. Yesterday began day 0 of New York City's lockdown, and they are starting the lockdown at 772 cases per million. That is FIVE TIMES MORE than what Italy had when they went in to lockdown.

After 12 days of lockdown Italy was up to 886 cases per million. If NYC experiences the same growth rate during the first 12 days of lockdown, NYC will be up to 4500 cases per million on April 2nd. That would be about 9,675 people needing hospitalization in NYC alone. 

It is far worse than I thought. It is catastrophic bad.  

 
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Apple Jack said:
Everybody I have ever skied with gets dressed at home and in the parking lot. They'd have to keep bathrooms open, but nothing else really would need to be open. It could be limited to people who have passes.
Yes, but no lift is designed to keep people 6 feet apart. And gondolas certainly aren't ideal. Plus, what happens if the weather turns too cold, snowy, etc. to remain outside? Or lunchtime, for that matter? All the on-mountains facilities become packed. And lift lines on a powder day? End of the day/apres ski?

I love skiing, but cancelled a ski trip to UT in the wake of this pandemic. Fortunately, my CO trip predated this blowing up outside China, including several cases at European ski resorts.

I'm not defending golf, mind you. Even in ideal conditions, I'd rather clean a wet market than set foot on a course.

 
You need a fact check. Quit listening solely to CNN and celebrities. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/17/instagram-posts/celebrities-are-sharing-misleading-post-about-trum/ 

Our ruling

An Instagram post made four claims that criticize Trump’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

The first, that he "cut funding to the CDC," is partially accurate; Trump tried to cut the agency’s funding, but Congress prevented it from happening. On the second claim, while saying Trump "fired" the "Pandemic Response Team" is a stretch, it’s true that National Security Council staffers left abruptly in 2018 and were not replaced. 

The third claim, that Trump "refused WHO tests," contains a hint of truth, but is mostly inaccurate since the U.S. does not usually rely on the WHO for testing protocols. And the fourth claim, which says Trump "wasted two weeks calling this outbreak a ‘Democrat hoax,’" is inaccurate — the president has not called the virus itself a "hoax," just the Democrats’ response to it.

As a whole, the Instagram post contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.
Check what year she referenced in her post. Then look up CDC funding that FY compared to the previous.

 
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