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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (18 Viewers)

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I spoke to a friend who is an ICU nurse here in Sacramento   

She said last week they had a pair of 90 year olds with the virus and they got over it pretty quick and went home. 

This week they have 3 patients.   2 of them are Ukrainian.   They’re all doing fine.  

Nothing alarming yet. 🤞🏽

 
China Shuts Down All Cinemas, Again

Over the past two weeks, hundreds of movie theaters in the country had begun to reopen. No reason for the policy reversal was given, but insiders believe the government is worried about a potential second wave of coronavirus infections.
Until there is a vaccine or herd immunity wtf would they think it ok to start having people gathering again? Wtf?

 
Italy's new cases are below the peak number of new cases for the 6th straight day (3/21 was their peak). The deaths reported today are 6 days following their peak number of new cases. It's a tragedy in Italy, hopefully their new cases have indeed flattened and they maintain their diligence on extreme social distancing and reductions in new cases can follow. 
Yeah what we really need to see there is for the new cases to start dropping dramatically.  They've definitely leveled off, so that's great news.  But the next step has to be for new cases to drop as they did in China and SK.

 
That is very true.  I think back to a NYT podcast I listened to a week or two ago where the expert was talking about how the USA's social distancing policy didn't work in China and that the only way they stopped the numbers is by taking people with the virus away.

I was reading about Pakistan this morning.  They've setup "quarantine camps".  But before you think of this in a Nazi-way, the people in these camps say they have wifi, good food, and are generally comfortable.  Smart from them.  
This is exactly right. People were blasting the policy in China of rounding up the infected And putting them in make shift hospitals. Even mild cases would go to these hospitals and if they become serious they went to real hospitals. Harsh but it stopped the spread. WHO report the most common spread was within families. One person got it and then the rest of the family would eventually get it. 
 

Not sure Western nations can/will take that approach but it needs to be considered. 

 
You are in canada right?

How do they handle positive cases? Do they shield the name of a positive tested coworker? What about church services, Exempt? Curious how other countries are handling these issues. 
Yes.  I was initially unhappy with the federal government response as they were a bit late (in my view) to take this seriously.  I'm not a Trudeau fan - think he is a phony - but he got serious very quick, which was about two weeks ago.  Each province across the country declared a state of emergency very early on.  I live in Alberta and we have been under state of emergency and a shelter in place directive for about two weeks now, and that started when there was less than 50 cases in the province.

The messaging coming out of our province (and every province so far as I am aware) has been consistent and in lockstep with the feds have been saying.  We are taking this extremely seriously, have few cases relative to the rest of the world, and are not talking about "opening the country back up by Easter".  Science and Canada Health are leading the messaging.

So far, I believe that only Ontario has issued a formal directive re only essential businesses remaining open.  Quebec too maybe.  I think other provinces would have too, but the voluntary compliance is working.  I live in a city of 1.2 million, and nothing is open.  I am not sure about shielding the name of a positive tested co-worker.  Our entire downtown core is shut down though.  Everyone is working from home.

 
Like this camp?

Sounds awesome!
With all the complaints we have in this thread about the US response (and yes I'm a leading contributor) I can't fathom what dealing with this in a third world country would be like. Although thinking a little about it, they probably deal with a lot of outbreaks like this on a much more regular basis than what we are used to. Still can't be easy, can't imagine.

 
Really? Stay 6 feet apart, wash your hands if you have to go food shopping, etc
Had to restock today from the supermarket. We've taken a walk around the park every day. Keeping proper precautions but getting sunlight and exercise is important too. There was probably more of a chance of getting it 2-3 weeks ago than there is now with so many taking precautions.

 
Yes.  I was initially unhappy with the federal government response as they were a bit late (in my view) to take this seriously.  I'm not a Trudeau fan - think he is a phony - but he got serious very quick, which was about two weeks ago.  Each province across the country declared a state of emergency very early on.  I live in Alberta and we have been under state of emergency and a shelter in place directive for about two weeks now, and that started when there was less than 50 cases in the province.

The messaging coming out of our province (and every province so far as I am aware) has been consistent and in lockstep with the feds have been saying.  We are taking this extremely seriously, have few cases relative to the rest of the world, and are not talking about "opening the country back up by Easter".  Science and Canada Health are leading the messaging.

So far, I believe that only Ontario has issued a formal directive re only essential businesses remaining open.  Quebec too maybe.  I think other provinces would have too, but the voluntary compliance is working.  I live in a city of 1.2 million, and nothing is open.  I am not sure about shielding the name of a positive tested co-worker.  Our entire downtown core is shut down though.  Everyone is working from home.
I assume grocery stores are open?

 
Update from my friend that I posted the other day, who is an Infectious Disease Specialist at NYU Langone:

His most recent post:

"Crazy time. Never seen this many of my office patients and colleagues sick at one time, and the hospital feels like a war zone. But everyone is stepping up. Watching my critical care colleagues visibly exhausted but pushing through, Nps and PAs reassigned to random floors throughout the hospital, janitors, food staff, everyone doing their part to make sure this place keeps doing what we do. I’m humbled to be in your company. I’m not getting the sense that the plaquenil or IL6 antagonists are doing much, but hopefully I am wrong about that. Many of the large hospitals are doing studies on people who tested positive and are now better, so if you fall into that category, try calling the infectious disease or critical care department there to see if they can use you. Hard to tell why a small percentage of people seem to do very poorly with this. But it’s clear that the vast majority do not get extremely sick. Hang in there everyone. We will get through this.
(Again, no need to comment as I am not replying for now. Thx)"

Bolded some of the salient points.  What seems to becoming all the more clear is this disease generally doesn't cause catastrophic health outcomes in most.  But for a small percentage, and for reasons we don't yet know/understand, it's far, far more serious.  I guess it's "worse than a flu" for most, but "can be a near or actual death sentence" for some, to use some of the terminology of the past weeks.

 
Trudeau’s wife got Covid two weeks ago. That kinda forced him to take this seriously and shut things down.  Canada was doing nothing but went into high gear when that happened.  

To the benefit of all Canada. 

 
A couple of questions:

Are they still seeing symptoms showing up 14 days after getting infected or have they lowered that estimate?

Is the warmer weather helping at all in areas that are heating up?

 
Yes.  I was initially unhappy with the federal government response as they were a bit late (in my view) to take this seriously.  I'm not a Trudeau fan - think he is a phony - but he got serious very quick, which was about two weeks ago.  Each province across the country declared a state of emergency very early on.  I live in Alberta and we have been under state of emergency and a shelter in place directive for about two weeks now, and that started when there was less than 50 cases in the province.

The messaging coming out of our province (and every province so far as I am aware) has been consistent and in lockstep with the feds have been saying.  We are taking this extremely seriously, have few cases relative to the rest of the world, and are not talking about "opening the country back up by Easter".  Science and Canada Health are leading the messaging.

So far, I believe that only Ontario has issued a formal directive re only essential businesses remaining open.  Quebec too maybe.  I think other provinces would have too, but the voluntary compliance is working.  I live in a city of 1.2 million, and nothing is open.  I am not sure about shielding the name of a positive tested co-worker.  Our entire downtown core is shut down though.  Everyone is working from home.
Looking at Worldometer for Canada would seem to back up the fact that they have apparently handled it well thus far. Can't say that's a surprise for many reasons. Good on you guys. 

 
More from the front lines in NY:
 

I was initially skeptical of COVID-19. Today, it frightens me.

I am an internal medicine resident working at a nest blanket hospital in New York City. Ten days ago, we had zero patients with COVID in our hospital. Today, we have hundreds. Ten days ago, we were well rested with a supercharged attitude, ready to tackle the virus head on. Today, we are overburdened, exhausted, sick, and disappointed. Our supplies have dwindled, our census of critical patients has skyrocketed, and we are running out of healthcare providers due to the lack of adequate protective equipment. We are fighting a losing battle with no end in sight and need help – now.

Officially, we have 13 resident physicians at this hospital who fallen sick to the virus. Unofficially, it is likely much, much higher. As I walk through the halls, I see attendings and residents hiding their coughs, clearing their throats under their breath, or sniffling as they turn away. Why do we continue to work? Because if we don’t, who will? We are physically sick, but no one can replace us. We hide our emotions and our coughs from our fellow colleagues and try to comfort each other, but we don’t know how. All our energy is focused on our patients.

A few days ago, I was called into a code blue. Normal protocol requires that we bag mask the patient, but new COVID protocols state that we should not to avoid aerosolization of viral particles. As I watched him decompensate, I asked myself, “Do I protect my life, or risk his, a 41-year-old with a family and long life ahead of him?” We took an oath when we graduated medical school, and that is why we are here every day. That is why I decided to risk my life to bag mask him.

We have shut down multiple units in our hospital and dedicated them to the care of COVID patients. We call these areas the “COVID Caves.” Each day while working in the ICU, we get an average of 12 new consults for COVID patients. To find them, I walk down a dark hallway, past an endless row of stretchers until I find my new patient. When I reach the gurney propped up against the musty gray wall, I put on my mask, the same mask I have been using for days, and my suboptimal goggles, which I sanitize after each patient encounter. The patient has the “COVID appearance of doom.” We know he will require intubation soon. But we must then decide – how can we allocate our dwindling resources most ethically and effectively? We have already run out of ventilators in this hospital. We cannot provide everyone with the care they deserve. Multiple times per day, we are now faced with the nightmarish and chilling decision of choosing between intubating a 40-year-old patient and an 80-year-old patient. We took an oath to do no harm and act in the best interest of our patients. This country’s lack of preparedness, though, has made it so we cannot act in their best interests. We are here, making life and death decisions, because our markets and governments are systematically broken.

These are not tales from another country. These are truths from New York, your New York. And, soon, this will be the reality in your own town if major changes are not made across the country.

What do we need? We need supplies for patients – ventilators, beds, and medications. We need protection for medical providers – appropriate masks, goggles, and gowns. We need more providers so that those who are sick can stay home to heal and prevent the spread of infection. We need you to take hygiene and distancing protocols seriously. We are begging for help.

 
NY is a huge place.  I live in a town with more cows than people.
In Western NY, we're much closer to Toronto, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh than to NYC.   We've still got cases, but it's not the same level of outbreak as downstate at this point (though we continue to get worse every day).

 
 A few years ago I left the ICU/Surgery/PACU area of hospitals and started doing Hospice.  

We cannot get any supplies at the moment.  No masks, PPE gear, hard to get even simple supplies like lantiseptic for wounds.    With that being said it is scaring families since we are going all over the place and seeing so many people and protecting ourselves.     Which worries the families that we could be carriers.   We check our temp before each patient, wash our hands and wear gloves but no masks or other PPE gear.   Most of my patients have gone to once a week visits due to fear.   Some of the patients in facilities have gone to one visit every two weeks.    It really is scary trying to care for sick people thinking in the back of your mind you might bring home a bug to your family.       I seriously think that the government should have gone to no visits unless medically necessary.  Families can call if they need something.  We could still deliver medications and supplies (That we can get) to the families  until we get proper PPE gear.  

 
That's the point (there's no point to that messaging). So the other options seem to be going with messaging that might curb behavior or go with no messaging at all in futility. While we're throwing our hands in the air, should we stop shaming people from using mobile phones while driving? We wouldn't want to exaggerate the problem, and it probably won't help curb behavior anyway, right?   
I'm not advocating no messaging, but I don't think the people whose behavior might need to be curbed in either situation are paying much attention to the news, and those stories aren't really messaging other than "look at all these crazy irresponsible morons, we're so doomed - keep watching Channel 4 for more details". 

it's all good man, we can agree to disagree - I would be glad to know I'm wrong and the folks ignoring social distancing decide to change their ways posthaste. 

 
Is New Orleans because of Mardi Gras?  If this is somehow proven, then that's gonna leave a mark for re-opening sports and stuff.
I'm sure this has been posted in here already, it's impossible to keep up if you step away for a few hours (which I find myself needing to do).  But yeah, getting back to fans attending live sports is going to be a challenge for awhile.

'Game Zero?' Soccer Game Attended by 40,000 Fans Likely Made This Italian City a Coronavirus Epicenter

(ROME) — It was the biggest soccer game in Atalanta’s history and a third of Bergamo’s population made the short trip to Milan’s famed San Siro Stadium.

Nearly 2,500 fans of visiting Spanish club Valencia also traveled to that Champions League match.

More than a month later, experts are pointing to the Feb. 19 game as one of the biggest reasons why Bergamo has become one of the epicenters of the coronavirus pandemic — a “biological bomb” was the way one respiratory specialist put it — and why 35% of Valencia’s team became infected.

The match, which local media have dubbed “Game Zero,” was held two days before the first case of locally transmitted COVID-19 was confirmed in Italy.

“We were mid-February so we didn’t have the circumstances of what was happening,” Bergamo Mayor Giorgio Gori said this week during a live Facebook chat with the Foreign Press Association in Rome. “If it’s true what they’re saying that the virus was already circulating in Europe in January, then it’s very probable that 40,000 Bergamaschi in the stands of San Siro, all together, exchanged the virus between them. As is possible that so many Bergamaschi that night got together in houses, bars to watch the match and did the same.

......

 
Yes.  I was initially unhappy with the federal government response as they were a bit late (in my view) to take this seriously.  I'm not a Trudeau fan - think he is a phony - but he got serious very quick, which was about two weeks ago.  Each province across the country declared a state of emergency very early on.  I live in Alberta and we have been under state of emergency and a shelter in place directive for about two weeks now, and that started when there was less than 50 cases in the province.

The messaging coming out of our province (and every province so far as I am aware) has been consistent and in lockstep with the feds have been saying.  We are taking this extremely seriously, have few cases relative to the rest of the world, and are not talking about "opening the country back up by Easter".  Science and Canada Health are leading the messaging.

So far, I believe that only Ontario has issued a formal directive re only essential businesses remaining open.  Quebec too maybe.  I think other provinces would have too, but the voluntary compliance is working.  I live in a city of 1.2 million, and nothing is open.  I am not sure about shielding the name of a positive tested co-worker.  Our entire downtown core is shut down though.  Everyone is working from home.
I'm in Ontario. Small town about 30k. I believe it was Monday when the order to close all but essential services came out. That list if pretty extensive tho so there are still lots of "essential" services.   I'm in I.T. and working from home so, fortunately, still getting paid and as safe as possible from this.  Grocery stores are open, as this thing has progressed they've made changes to limit quantities on many items, limit people in the stores,limit hours  etc. My go-to store has employees there to clean off the cart handles and also apply hand sanitizer to you if you wish.  Physical distancing in place with tape on the floor at checkouts.  It's pretty well managed as far as that goes. 

Dining rooms in all restaurants and coffee shops are closed. As of yesterday, any restaurant that has a liquor license can sell liquor to it's customers provided they buy food as well.  So your take-out can come with a beer.  That's an Ontario thing. Maybe it will help sales for these places.  

We've had a couple of positive cases in my town and they haven't' released any names and I have no idea what would be told to any co-workers of anyone who tests positive.  

As of Wednesday Canada has mandated 14 day quarantine for passengers returning to canada. Our PM speaks every morning at 11am EST for about 15-20 minutes. Q&A follow.  Government has  implemented policies and funds to try to help those in need. Today offering money to small businesses. Earlier this week money to anyone unemployed due to this.  

I personally feel our government is doing as good a job as can be expected but they are definitely not pleasing everyone. 

 
 A few years ago I left the ICU/Surgery/PACU area of hospitals and started doing Hospice.  

We cannot get any supplies at the moment.  No masks, PPE gear, hard to get even simple supplies like lantiseptic for wounds.    With that being said it is scaring families since we are going all over the place and seeing so many people and protecting ourselves.     Which worries the families that we could be carriers.   We check our temp before each patient, wash our hands and wear gloves but no masks or other PPE gear.   Most of my patients have gone to once a week visits due to fear.   Some of the patients in facilities have gone to one visit every two weeks.    It really is scary trying to care for sick people thinking in the back of your mind you might bring home a bug to your family.       I seriously think that the government should have gone to no visits unless medically necessary.  Families can call if they need something.  We could still deliver medications and supplies (That we can get) to the families  until we get proper PPE gear.  
Can confirm.  My wife works at the local hospice - she manages the social workers, and she just fought for them to be able to do visits via phone, unless the family requests an in-person visit from SW.  There are no PPE - for the social workers or nurses (or chaplains) - and the nurses are having to go from home to home (or in-care facility) - and they are all a nervous wreck about picking up the virus and/or spreading the virus in their visits.

 
Can confirm.  My wife works at the local hospice - she manages the social workers, and she just fought for them to be able to do visits via phone, unless the family requests an in-person visit from SW.  There are no PPE - for the social workers or nurses (or chaplains) - and the nurses are having to go from home to home (or in-care facility) - and they are all a nervous wreck about picking up the virus and/or spreading the virus in their visits.
Glad someone understands 100%

 
Or the nightmare - because if cases die down due to seasonality, and we let down our guard, we are going to get walloped in the fall when it hits again...
Some will, hoping that the rest of us will take this to heart and develop better habits as well as the value of keeping some supplies on hand to weather a 2-3 week storm.

 
Mercy ship docked in LA ready to receive patients. Non covid pts will be moved there. Can do everything on the ship including surgery. 

 
This is America at work during times of need. My company has been assisting pretty heavily with power & HVAC set up with these temp facilities as well as a mountain of air scrubbers. From that side, there is a ton going on.
This is why discussing the reality of the situation is good. It sparks people into action.  

 
 A few years ago I left the ICU/Surgery/PACU area of hospitals and started doing Hospice.  

We cannot get any supplies at the moment.  No masks, PPE gear, hard to get even simple supplies like lantiseptic for wounds.    With that being said it is scaring families since we are going all over the place and seeing so many people and protecting ourselves.     Which worries the families that we could be carriers.   We check our temp before each patient, wash our hands and wear gloves but no masks or other PPE gear.   Most of my patients have gone to once a week visits due to fear.   Some of the patients in facilities have gone to one visit every two weeks.    It really is scary trying to care for sick people thinking in the back of your mind you might bring home a bug to your family.       I seriously think that the government should have gone to no visits unless medically necessary.  Families can call if they need something.  We could still deliver medications and supplies (That we can get) to the families  until we get proper PPE gear.  
What are you looking for on a temp check?  What number would cause you to isolate?

 
Another well-tempered opinion piece out of Seattle.

Seattle is Living Your Coronavirus Future: This city is well ahead of the rest of the nation in the cycle of denial, panic, action.

SEATTLE — You relish the little things here in Seattle: Toilet paper is back on some shelves, the hoarders sated for the moment. Instead of making vodka, distilleries are rolling out hand sanitizer. The dreaded daily number of new coronavirus cases shows that while the curve is not yet flat, the rate has gone both down and up on different days this week, carrying our hopes on the bumpy ride.

As for the tally of the dead: Instead of doubling every five days in Washington State, as it was just two weeks ago, now it doubles roughly every nine — a horrific number still, but that movement is in the right direction.

We are not necessarily your city’s future, but a likely version of your future if you do the right thing. Washington State had the first known case of Covid-19 in the United States, on Jan. 19; the first reported death, more than a month after that; and the first full-blown outbreak. We’re well ahead of the rest of the nation in our cycle of denial, panic, action.

Social distancing started early. Testing has been broad, though more help from the federal government is needed. A communal fight or flight instinct has moved into something more settled. Even as the president floats an idea that could sacrifice the elderly to keep Wall Street happy, we take care of our own. We will not throw Grandma from the train.

 
I need some advice- non political: 

my 17 year old daughter is begging me to be allowed to go to the park and hang out with 2 of her friends. She swears she will stay 6 feet apart. She’s going stir crazy. 

Thoughts? 

 
Still a long way to go to reach the estimated hospitalization and number of deaths from the severe 2017-18 flu season...
This comparison doesn't get us anywhere, because the seasonal flu patients that get hospitalized didn't just go away in advance of the COVID patients. Also, COVID patients stay in critical care in greater numbers (per case) and for longer on average than influenza patients.

On top of that ... flu seasons are five-to-six month spans. COVID has been spreading in earnest in the U.S. for maybe 4-6 weeks depending on region.

 
What are you looking for on a temp check?  What number would cause you to isolate?
101 or higher at the moment. these are just our local guidelines.    Also, we have numerous patients who have a family member or friend who are in quarantine currently.    

Example,    85 year old female on Hopsice for COPD.   Still has family coming over since they are all home from work due to every ####### thing being closed at the moment.  Grandson who visited Monday is now on quarantine for 14 days because he was running a fever of 102, didn't get a Covid test but is sent home.   So now we deliver her essentials to her porch.  We cannot risk seeing this patient without PPE and going from point a to b to c to d and so on. 

 
I'd vote for @moleculo

I'm still unclear about the testing or lack of that we continue to see in pockets across the country. I'm suspecting (hoping?) it's a matter of not having the test kits in the right place at the right time and the general lack of reagents needed for the testing or the processing, not sure which. If it's anything other than that, my disappointment in our response to this event would be vindicated and that sucks.

Anybody have any ideas other than "we dropped the ball" about lack of testing? 
to quote William Tecumseh Sherman: If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve.

 
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