*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (15 Viewers)

[Pipes]

Was exposed this past week.

Went to visit family for thanksgiving. Myself + GF / Brother + Wife + 2 Nieces / My parents. 

Presumably the Gf and I were the only ones who hadn't had it within the last 2 months so we got tested before flying, and used good PPE on flight. 
 

All was fine until folks had a "Denier" neighbor/BFF (55yo) Russ and his wife Kim, plus another couple Keith & Tina (60s) over on Monday evening. Sat outside on back patio around 7ft dia table. GF and I intentionally positioned ourselves on the far side of the table.  Nobody was symptomatic. 

24 hours later we get a call. Denier Russ is positive. Keith was on one side of him at the table, and my pop was on the other. 

2 days later Keith was positive. 

GF and I have not had symptoms and were tested Sat before flying (negative). Now quarantining for another few days at home to be safe but clearly a close call. 

Once we got the call my folks listened to us and kept it to family only (like it should have been to begin with). Rest of the week was great. Took the boat out fishing, swam, etc. Great family time. 

I feel stories like this are all too common this past week and the numbers are going to explode even more than they already are. 

 

[jvdesigns2002]

What if one truly is ignorant? Because the idea that old, fat and sick people “shouldn’t be out anyhow” isn’t exactly a well reasoned stance.

Exactly this---and the notion that our government officials should just ignore the safety of a large portion of our population is so messed up. Citizens that are elderly,  that have health conditions, that are overweight are still citizens that deserve the same public safety as everybody else. To think that in the United States that there are people that think that its okay to tell them to shut themselves out of society for months on end because people who are healthy, young and in good health don't want to practice good and safe behavior is truly disgusting.   

 

[TripItUp]

What if one truly is ignorant? Because the idea that old, fat and sick people “shouldn’t be out anyhow” isn’t exactly a well reasoned stance.

Not well reasoned according to you.  How about we listen to and respect other opinions?

 

[parasaurolophus]

If you are wearing a cloth mask instead of a KN95 or a surgical mask at this point, can I ask people why? They are readily available and they are superior. Even N95s can be found(takes some digging) for less than 3 bucks each, but I can see how that could add up real quick for people. 

 

[TripItUp]

This is 1000% inaccurate. Man. What a frustrating country to live in. People just willfully stating inaccurate information. 

I'll post the actual data that has been out for quite some time.  

 

[top dog]

AND my son is positive. Go figure.

 

[MAC_32]

I feel stories like this are all too common this past week and the numbers are going to explode even more than they already are. 

Yep, we're comfortable with the risks we took - we did thanksgiving indoors with my wife's immediate family but the morning and evening events this year were outside only. Each setup fire pits and we all kept our distance from those we didn't come with. Other than to exercise I haven't left the house since getting home that night and I intend to keep it that way through the weekend - just in case any of us got it that way it stays in our house. My wife is working on site, but only a dozen or so others are in the building and they're all in separate rooms. Only exposure any of us will get is whoever does the mid-week produce run.  

I think my parents generally do a good job limiting their exposure, but whether it's unintentional or willful their actions indicate they don't understand what the virus does indoors. Our kids typically stay with them for a couple days after christmas, but we told them it isn't happening this year. I don't know nor generally care what they do when they stay there, but I'm sure whatever it is will be indoors and history shows that even if we tell them not to do something there is no guarantee they will listen. I'm irked mom fought it, but I'm also not surprised. We intend to do something similar after christmas like we are now, so the sooner we can start that process the better. 

 

[Capella]

I'll post the actual data that has been out for quite some time.  

A friend of a friend just died from covid on Friday. Only 43. You can save whatever crooked numbers you’re planning to post. 

 

[Redwes25]

A friend of a friend just died from covid on Friday. Only 43. You can save whatever crooked numbers you’re planning to post. 

I had a friend of mine in her late 50s that died.  I hate that we are still deing with this is just the "flu" still.  

 

[culdeus]

My sister's FIL/MIL that had direct exposure at an outdoor dining situation from what would be her SIL/BIL and kids never tested positive.  The family that visited spent 11 ####ty days in a hotel room coughing with their kids. The SIL is still testing positive two weeks later and is at least not flying home for now.  Fun vacation.  

 

[Anarchy99]

Haven't seen you in a bit...please check in and let us know how you're doing. 

Same old same old. Been almost two weeks. I still have every symptom on the list. The good news is chest pain, ability to breathe, and O2 aren’t a major concern. I’ve had a horrific sore throat, terrible cough, and wheezing. At one point I sounded like the creature from the black lagoon. Coughed up stuff that science can’t identity. Add into that major fatigue, diarrhea, and a fever that is getting worse not better and they don’t know what to do with me. I was supposed to go get checked for a throat abscess but that got cancelled once I tested positive. They are debating me going in for a chest X-ray but they don’t consider me in the serious category because I can still talk and haven’t had severe breathing problems. They already said they won’t admit me and to just ride it out. In my case all the minor symptoms are the problem and the major symptoms for other people are minor for me. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

Vulnerable to be given free vitamin d pills in England. 

I really don't understand why this isn't highly recommended at this point(not the free part). Nobody has to say it is a cure or that it could prevent infection. They can simply tell the truth. That some observational studies have shown some stark data that shows it could be a factor and that vitamin D deficiency has other negative things associated with it and this could help get rid of those even if it doesnt work for covid. Here are risks with taking too much...thanks!

They didn't hesitate to recommend washing hands or using hand sanitizer when they literally didn't even know if your hands could spread it. They relied on previous knowledge of other diseases and used the precautionary principle to make that recommendation and felt that increased hand hygiene would be a good overall outcome even if it didn't provide help for covid. Same with bleach and cleaning. We know that hand sanitizer and bleach can be dangerous if misused and that actually did happen. Obviously other unintended consequences of those recommendations have come to fruition as well. 

So it isn't like they always wait for absolute proof before diving head in. So what is the problem here? Why aren't they telling everybody to take vitamin d?

 

[WDIK2]

Guy (48 yo) in my extended circle of friends passed away late last night.  A little overweight, but pretty average.  No other health risks.  Fought it for about 6 weeks.  :(  

 

[El Floppo]

Same old same old. Been almost two weeks. I still have every symptom on the list. The good news is chest pain, ability to breathe, and O2 aren’t a major concern. I’ve had a horrific sore throat, terrible cough, and wheezing. At one point I sounded like the creature from the black lagoon. Coughed up stuff that science can’t identity. Add into that major fatigue, diarrhea, and a fever that is getting worse not better and they don’t know what to do with me. I was supposed to go get checked for a throat abscess but that got cancelled once I tested positive. They are debating me going in for a chest X-ray but they don’t consider me in the serious category because I can still talk and haven’t had severe breathing problems. They already said they won’t admit me and to just ride it out. In my case all the minor symptoms are the problem and the major symptoms for other people are minor for me. 

Thanks for replying. Hasn't seen you post since saying you were sick and I started getting nervous...especially since you said you were on your own.

Glad you're "ok", relatively speaking.

 

[ChiefD]

Same old same old. Been almost two weeks. I still have every symptom on the list. The good news is chest pain, ability to breathe, and O2 aren’t a major concern. I’ve had a horrific sore throat, terrible cough, and wheezing. At one point I sounded like the creature from the black lagoon. Coughed up stuff that science can’t identity. Add into that major fatigue, diarrhea, and a fever that is getting worse not better and they don’t know what to do with me. I was supposed to go get checked for a throat abscess but that got cancelled once I tested positive. They are debating me going in for a chest X-ray but they don’t consider me in the serious category because I can still talk and haven’t had severe breathing problems. They already said they won’t admit me and to just ride it out. In my case all the minor symptoms are the problem and the major symptoms for other people are minor for me. 

Is there anything you can take or anything they recommend to at least help with your symptoms? 

 

[Anarchy99]

Is there anything you can take or anything they recommend to at least help with your symptoms? 

Advil and Tylenol. I took a round of antibiotics for my throat. I was taking Mucinex (an expectorant) but stopped for a few days because it was making my throat worse. But they want me to start that up again. 

I forgot to mention that one of the worst things is not being able to get any sleep. Been getting 10-15 minutes of sleep every few hours but can’t stay asleep.

 

[CR69]

Truly infuriating that this is our country now. 

Yeah I can’t really respond in here (or probably at all) without getting banned so I’ll just let everyone else read and judge this mentality for themselves. 

 

[GroveDiesel]

No underlying conditions?  Totally healthy?

I said the "young AND healthy"

Over 40% of Americans are obese. So at LEAST 40% of Americans are high risk right off the bat. Let’s stop pretending that those with underlying conditions are a small percentage of the population or even knowable. There are plenty of folks out there with underlying conditions that have no idea they have invisible health issues.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Same old same old. Been almost two weeks. I still have every symptom on the list. The good news is chest pain, ability to breathe, and O2 aren’t a major concern. I’ve had a horrific sore throat, terrible cough, and wheezing. At one point I sounded like the creature from the black lagoon. Coughed up stuff that science can’t identity. Add into that major fatigue, diarrhea, and a fever that is getting worse not better and they don’t know what to do with me. I was supposed to go get checked for a throat abscess but that got cancelled once I tested positive. They are debating me going in for a chest X-ray but they don’t consider me in the serious category because I can still talk and haven’t had severe breathing problems. They already said they won’t admit me and to just ride it out. In my case all the minor symptoms are the problem and the major symptoms for other people are minor for me. 

Hang in there GB.  :(

 

[jvdesigns2002]

A friend of a friend just died from covid on Friday. Only 43. You can save whatever crooked numbers you’re planning to post. 

I just lost a 36 year old friend last weekend. Already between MLB and NFL there have been a couple players that had to miss seasons due to Myocarditis caused by Covid. Last I checked--there aren't 10000 combined players in MLB and NFL.  Even relative to world class athletes--the 99.99% figure is inaccurate.  

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Vulnerable to be given free vitamin d pills in England. 

I really don't understand why this isn't highly recommended at this point(not the free part). Nobody has to say it is a cure or that it could prevent infection. They can simply tell the truth. That some observational studies have shown some stark data that shows it could be a factor and that vitamin D deficiency has other negative things associated with it and this could help get rid of those even if it doesnt work for covid. Here are risks with taking too much...thanks!

They didn't hesitate to recommend washing hands or using hand sanitizer when they literally didn't even know if your hands could spread it. They relied on previous knowledge of other diseases and used the precautionary principle to make that recommendation and felt that increased hand hygiene would be a good overall outcome even if it didn't provide help for covid. Same with bleach and cleaning. We know that hand sanitizer and bleach can be dangerous if misused and that actually did happen. Obviously other unintended consequences of those recommendations have come to fruition as well. 

So it isn't like they always wait for absolute proof before diving head in. So what is the problem here? Why aren't they telling everybody to take vitamin d?

I made a post recommending vitamin D in another thread months ago after Bret Weinstein and Dr. Rhonda Patrick exposed stats showing that the vast majority of people in ICU's with covid are vitamin D deficient.   In reality--on top of mask wearing, social distancing, and washing hands--there should have been a push by all levels of government to promote healthier behavior in general--sleeping at least 7-8 hours a day,  taking vitamins like C, D and zinc, eating healthier, doing exercise or activities like Yoga that promote physical and mental health, and to stay hydrated.   Until vaccination and even with vaccination doing what you can to maximize the strength of your immune system is never a bad idea. 

 

[top dog]

Have my son setup in his bedroom on lockdown. He has access to the upstairs bathroom. Gave him some KN95 masks to wear if he needs to go to bathroom. My wife has to get tested in the morning as she has had cold symptoms. My 1 year old and 3 year old that are sick now are getting tested in the morning. The 3 year old has been sick since Thanksgiving with croup and double ear infection. The pediatrician was like, "Yeah... We should test him now."

I've been working with some of our users remotely that are getting back online after being down and out with COVID last week. The guy I just got off the phone with is in GREAT health. 100% not overweight, doesn't smoke or drink. 50 years old. He said he would not wish this on his worst enemy. Two of people that I've work with for 20+ years are in the hospital.

This has caused chaos in our company and now my wife's company (where my daughter in law works). My mother-in-law who is high risk was around the grandkids yesterday. And now I get to spend the next 10-14 days wondering if I'm next. I'm not in perfect health and my wife is a cancer survivor with a auto-immune issue. So yeah. To say I'm concerned is probably accurate. 

I get it. Some of you feel this is overblown and sensationalized by the media. I will even agree to a point. But we have another forum where we can argue about that. This thread has been a great source for information and for folks to share what they have been through and know. I don't care if this only impacts unhealthy and old folks. I've lost friends. I have friends and family that are fighting this right now. Please stay safe and don't take it for granted. It doesn't take much for this thing to turn your world upside down.

 

[parasaurolophus]

This is insane. Genome released to public January 10th. Moderna vaccine designed by January 13th. 

I am sure this news has been out there, but this is the first I have heard that.

 

[MAC_32]

Over 40% of Americans are obese. So at LEAST 40% of Americans are high risk right off the bat. Let’s stop pretending that those with underlying conditions are a small percentage of the population or even knowable. There are plenty of folks out there with underlying conditions that have no idea they have invisible health issues.

On one hand I don't really want to pick this battle because from a high level your perspective is right anyway, but I think this is a terrible argument. 'We need to decision make to accommodate our fat and lazy citizenry' is not a message I endorse. If anything this is an appropriate time to message to that population that this is one reason why you need to change your ways. 

 

[AAABatteries]

Not well reasoned according to you.  How about we listen to and respect other opinions?

What you are stating isn't an opinion - it's just an incorrect "fact".  There's no respect/disrespect here - you either believe reality or you don't.  Somebody calling out someone for ignoring reality isn't disrespecting them, it's just pointing out they are wrong.

 

[AAABatteries]

On one hand I don't really want to pick this battle because from a high level your perspective is right anyway, but I think this is a terrible argument. 'We need to decision make to accommodate our fat and lazy citizenry' is not a message I endorse. If anything this is an appropriate time to message to that population that this is one reason why you need to change your ways. 

I don't disagree with your premise but the reality is we have a large portion of our populace at risk for whatever reason - I think you have to address the pandemic first and at the same time educate for the long haul.  Not to mention, even if we ignore the fat/lazy there's still a decent number of people who are at risk through no real fault of their own - I'm not willing to say "screw you, stay home" like some apparently are willing to do.

 

[BoerumHill]

It makes sense that the death rate is down. We know a lot more about what not to do (for example, release patients to nursing homes with poor/nonexistent protocols) than we did in the spring.

It's amazing that people continue to post this.  The whole "BuT w3 ZenT Peeoples to NUrzinG H0m3z" cost at most 8000 of the 250000 deaths.  Some estimates have this number at fewer than 1000.  Yes, that sucks and was regrettable, but we've learned from that and moved forward and very quickly.  

We have 4% of the World’s population, and 19% of the Covid deaths.

 

[AAABatteries]

We have 4% of the World’s population, and 19% of the Covid deaths.

Back to the fat/high risk.  I'd be curious if there's stats that show that % vs. Covid death % for Americans.  It would be interesting if the numbers are close - and would mean we more than any other country should probably take this serious. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Have my son setup in his bedroom on lockdown. He has access to the upstairs bathroom. Gave him some KN95 masks to wear if he needs to go to bathroom. My wife has to get tested in the morning as she has had cold symptoms. My 1 year old and 3 year old that are sick now are getting tested in the morning. The 3 year old has been sick since Thanksgiving with croup and double ear infection. The pediatrician was like, "Yeah... We should test him now."

I've been working with some of our users remotely that are getting back online after being down and out with COVID last week. The guy I just got off the phone with is in GREAT health. 100% not overweight, doesn't smoke or drink. 50 years old. He said he would not wish this on his worst enemy. Two of people that I've work with for 20+ years are in the hospital.

This has caused chaos in our company and now my wife's company (where my daughter in law works). My mother-in-law who is high risk was around the grandkids yesterday. And now I get to spend the next 10-14 days wondering if I'm next. I'm not in perfect health and my wife is a cancer survivor with a auto-immune issue. So yeah. To say I'm concerned is probably accurate. 

I get it. Some of you feel this is overblown and sensationalized by the media. I will even agree to a point. But we have another forum where we can argue about that. This thread has been a great source for information and for folks to share what they have been through and know. I don't care if this only impacts unhealthy and old folks. I've lost friends. I have friends and family that are fighting this right now. Please stay safe and don't take it for granted. It doesn't take much for this thing to turn your world upside down.

My sister tested positive a couple of weeks ago.  She's 45, runs marathons, and goes on hiking vacations and is generally in very good health.  She said covid absolutely knocked her on her ###.  (She's a nurse and has fully expected that she would eventually contract covid, so this did not come as some sort of surprise, and she's slated to return to work tomorrow.  No need for concern at this point, but yeah she absolutely agrees with your user).    

 

[TripItUp]

Back to the fat/high risk.  I'd be curious if there's stats that show that % vs. Covid death % for Americans.  It would be interesting if the numbers are close - and would mean we more than any other country should probably take this serious. 

Correct, we have a less healthy population compared to many other cultures and countries.

This disease largely targets the unhealthy and elderly.   Countries that have older populations and unhealthy populations will have different percentages than healthy/young populations all other factors being equal...of course there are other factors as well.

 

[TripItUp]

I'm not interested in anecdotal one off stories..."I know a guy who was young that died".   

I'm more interested in the big picture...macro-stats.

The hysteria and the govt. policy ramifications around this largely containable virus have caused more harm than the virus itself.  

The "cure" has been worse than the disease.

 

[culdeus]

My sister's FIL/MIL that had direct exposure at an outdoor dining situation from what would be her SIL/BIL and kids never tested positive.  The family that visited spent 11 ####ty days in a hotel room coughing with their kids. The SIL is still testing positive two weeks later and is at least not flying home for now.  Fun vacation.  

My BIL now positive.  Neat.  So we now think it was a chain here between the incoming relatives from out of town to BIL parents (Asym) to him (symptomatic).  Otherwise a little hard to explain without some public exposure of some kind.  Finding out the parents never tested because they didn't see the point without symptoms, also neat.    

They were at a 22 person outdoor event on Thursday at lunch.  3 over the age of 80.  neat.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

Have my son setup in his bedroom on lockdown. He has access to the upstairs bathroom. Gave him some KN95 masks to wear if he needs to go to bathroom. My wife has to get tested in the morning as she has had cold symptoms. My 1 year old and 3 year old that are sick now are getting tested in the morning. The 3 year old has been sick since Thanksgiving with croup and double ear infection. The pediatrician was like, "Yeah... We should test him now."

I've been working with some of our users remotely that are getting back online after being down and out with COVID last week. The guy I just got off the phone with is in GREAT health. 100% not overweight, doesn't smoke or drink. 50 years old. He said he would not wish this on his worst enemy. Two of people that I've work with for 20+ years are in the hospital.

This has caused chaos in our company and now my wife's company (where my daughter in law works). My mother-in-law who is high risk was around the grandkids yesterday. And now I get to spend the next 10-14 days wondering if I'm next. I'm not in perfect health and my wife is a cancer survivor with a auto-immune issue. So yeah. To say I'm concerned is probably accurate. 

I get it. Some of you feel this is overblown and sensationalized by the media. I will even agree to a point. But we have another forum where we can argue about that. This thread has been a great source for information and for folks to share what they have been through and know. I don't care if this only impacts unhealthy and old folks. I've lost friends. I have friends and family that are fighting this right now. Please stay safe and don't take it for granted. It doesn't take much for this thing to turn your world upside down.

Hang in there. I don’t know where you are in regard to faith, so please don’t get offended when I say that I am adding you and yours to my prayers.

I am terrified that my wife or myself will get this. I am sure it will not go well for me and she has stress issues so probably would not be easy on her either. She babysits for our newborn niece and visits her parents regularly. She has no concerns at all and isn’t as cautious as she should be. 
 

This thing may kill me even if I don’t get it just from the constant stress of trying to keep my own people safe.

 

[Doug B]

If you are wearing a cloth mask instead of a KN95 or a surgical mask at this point, can I ask people why?

I am satisfied that well-constructed cloth masks are at least equivalent to retail** surgical masks if not better. Not all cloth masks are created equal.

** the kind you see at drugstores, Wal Mart, etc.

 

[Capella]

Not well reasoned according to you.  How about we listen to and respect other opinions?

No. I don’t have to listen to or respect opinions that are anti-data, anti-science and belittle the seriousness of the virus. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

I am satisfied that well-constructed cloth masks are at least equivalent to retail** surgical masks if not better. Not all cloth masks are created equal.

** the kind you see at drugstores, Wal Mart, etc.

I meant actual fda approved surgical masks.  

 

[culdeus]

I've started to lean towards surgical masks vs. cloth for efficacy based reasons, and it seems (AFAIK) there are plenty out there for medical staff. It's a tiny difference, perhaps, but that's what I'm giving my teacher wife.

 

[matuski]

No. I don’t have to listen to or respect opinions that are anti-data, anti-science and belittle the seriousness of the virus. 

There is a flip side of this coin where you don't have to pull the holier than thou/mob mentality beat down of anyone you think doesn't have the proper amount of fear.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I've started to lean towards surgical masks vs. cloth for efficacy based reasons, and it seems (AFAIK) there are plenty out there for medical staff. It's a tiny difference, perhaps, but that's what I'm giving my teacher wife.

Any reason you are choosing that instead of kn95s? 

 

[culdeus]

Any reason you are choosing that instead of kn95s? 

didn't know they were readily available.  I saw some links here earlier today, will see what I can find.

 

[parasaurolophus]

didn't know they were readily available.  I saw some links here earlier today, will see what I can find.

Just make sure they are on the fda list(which can be difficult since many sound alike) Powecom is the one I settled on that fits me best as far as KN95s go. 

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Oh the amount of crap I took for saying these things here months ago...

CNN exclusive: Vast trove of leaked documents shows China underreported Covid-19 numbers, took weeks to diagnose new cases and didn’t disclose a December flu spike in Hubei 

The Wuhan files Leaked documents reveal China's mishandling of the early stages of Covid-19

Nice of CNN to finally start reporting the truth about China and this virus.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

didn't know they were readily available.  I saw some links here earlier today, will see what I can find.

If you can't find any--i have some extra 3-M N95 that I can send to you for your wife.  If she's a teacher--you're going to want to get her in a better mask than a standard surgical.  PM if you want to take me up on the offer. 

 

[AAABatteries]

I'm not interested in anecdotal one off stories..."I know a guy who was young that died".   

I'm more interested in the big picture...macro-stats.

The hysteria and the govt. policy ramifications around this largely containable virus have caused more harm than the virus itself.  

The "cure" has been worse than the disease.

You aren't interested in anecdotal evidence but you misstate* macro stats.  Interesting strategy.

*I'm probably being generous here but Thanksgiving puts me in a charitable mood.

 

[the rover]

PSF trolls are bored after the election.  Please don’t let them destroy this topic or get it locked.

 

[CR69]

I'm not interested in anecdotal one off stories..."I know a guy who was young that died".   

I'm more interested in the big picture...macro-stats.

The hysteria and the govt. policy ramifications around this largely containable virus have caused more harm than the virus itself.  

The "cure" has been worse than the disease.

Prove it

 

[GroveDiesel]

didn't know they were readily available.  I saw some links here earlier today, will see what I can find.

I can’t find a link to the study now, but a medical provider advocacy group tested a whole bunch of KN95 respirators and found a HUGE percentage of them were counterfeit and didn’t provide the required 95% filtration. Googling shows a whole bunch of other warnings about KN95s. Personally, I would not trust a KN95 respirator to be legit. Even N95s I would be careful on and do what you can to verify they are legit: Tips

ETA: Personal anecdote, but I’ve personally fit tested around 300-400 individuals over the last 6 months and I have had exactly one person pass on a KN95 respirator and I’m pretty sure he faked it because he wanted to wear the KN95 due to the ear loops. Using actual quantitative testing, every single KN95 has failed testing that I’ve personally conducted.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

Prove it

The President said it on TV, therefore it must be true.

 

[KarmaPolice]

On one hand I don't really want to pick this battle because from a high level your perspective is right anyway, but I think this is a terrible argument. 'We need to decision make to accommodate our fat and lazy citizenry' is not a message I endorse. If anything this is an appropriate time to message to that population that this is one reason why you need to change your ways. 

Maybe we focus on that message after we get through this then?   I think we are past the point were "well yeah, if you would have been exercising..."  is going to be a constructive way to get us out of the woods this winter.  

 

[KarmaPolice]

Also, this is America.   A message of "eat healthy and exercise" goes over about as well as "wear a mask when entering this building".   We just don't like being told what to do.