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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (13 Viewers)

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Here’s an example why people are saying we need to flatten the curve. My wife has a  baby as a patient that was in the hospital in Boston and needs heart surgery. Word from above came down to get all regular patients in the hospital out to handle the mounting amount of COVID patients. The baby still needs surgery and there isn’t a hospital that can take it. So she will be spending all day tomorrow calling any hospital she can find that can do the surgery and the clock is ticking. So when people say COVID only impacts old people and even then there’s only a small fatality rate, that’s only a piece of the puzzle. 

 
Capella said:
It’s ok for people to try to be positive. In fact I’d say it’s necessary for some. 
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The Italy numbers are a sign of hope, particularly if the trend continues.

What has me baffled is this. Say there was a problem, and someone demonstrated a potential data driven solution that appears to have worked. Here’s how that’s playing out now:

U.S.: “We have a Coronavirus problem, it’s pretty major, what do we do?”

Data from other countries: “Widespread testing, a full scale lockdown, ramped up production of protective equipment, hospital capacity especially ICU and ventilators.”

U.S.: “We’re the U.S. though, we don’t do these things. It’s un-American”.

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Anarchy99 said:
Here’s an example why people are saying we need to flatten the curve. My wife has a  baby as a patient that was in the hospital in Boston and needs heart surgery. Word from above came down to get all regular patients in the hospital out to handle the mounting amount of COVID patients. The baby still needs surgery and there isn’t a hospital that can take it. So she will be spending all day tomorrow calling any hospital she can find that can do the surgery and the clock is ticking. So when people say COVID only impacts old people and even then there’s only a small fatality rate, that’s only a piece of the puzzle. 
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And - its a very small piece of the puzzle.  It was never about the effects of covid-19 - it was always about the impact of overwhelming the system with an onslaught of patients.

I hope they find a good outcome for the baby.

 
TripItUp said:
I think there is a potential path here where we are back to normalish in 4 weeks
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I certainly hope you are right, but parts of  China have been locked down for 3 months with armed soldiers at the ready to enforce the rules and they still haven’t gone back to normal. We haven’t even got to a universal lock down / shelter in place situation yet. 

 
tamales said:
Quite honestly I find it repulsive. 
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I think people are trying to point out that there is a difference between optimism just for the sake of it.  I think most here want leadership to be honest and be a unified front so we are prepared.  

There are great stories about people donating time, money, etc.  There is stuff to be optimistic and positive about.  

However, people coming in and posting that they dont think it's going to be that bad or that what we are doing is enough seems to fly on the face of the stats and experiences of the other countries who have gone through this before us.  That is the unhelpful part.  

 
NotSmart said:
It's a perfectly valid and logical question, and likely to happen in some form I think.

But damn, it evokes thoughts of some scary allegories.
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This is basically what China did with their national social media app or whatever it’s called.  They also required people to scan in when getting on a bus or a train and scan out so that they could track movements of people in case they turned out positive.

 
KarmaPolice said:
I think people are trying to point out that there is a difference between optimism just for the sake of it.  I think most here want leadership to be honest and be a unified front so we are prepared.  

There are great stories about people donating time, money, etc.  There is stuff to be optimistic and positive about.  

However, people coming in and posting that they dont think it's going to be that bad or that what we are doing is enough seems to fly on the face of the stats and experiences of the other countries who have gone through this before us.  That is the unhelpful part.  
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People hyping clinically untested supposed cures doesn't help either

 
There's a side of this that we haven't fully addressed. Many of us are going to contract this. Just because infection and mortality rates decline only means we are flattening the curve, and we're hoping (banking?) that this thing burns out with the onset of spring/summer. I'm not sure that will happen. Is that why infection rates are low in South America and Africa?

I'm beginning to think I need to prepare to be infected, and wondering if I can control when and under what conditions. What do I need to have in my home if I, my wife and/or my kids get infected. We are prepared for indoor life for 4-6 weeks, but I'm not sure we're prepared for getting it and withstanding it at home. In other words, what can I do now to ensure I give us the best chance to fight it off? Gotta think about that one.

 
shader said:
Today’s numbers in Italy are down.

5,560 new cases and 651 new deaths.
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Honestly, watching Italy's numbers are the most important thing to see if shutting down our country makes sense.  They should really plateau this week and then start to dip next week given it takes two weeks from on set of symptoms to lead to critical phase and typical longest period for symptom to start is 2 weeks.

 
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TheDirtyWord said:
Good news...the issue is that in NY alone has a rate of infection that far surpasses Italy.  On Wednesday, it was reported NY had 1871 cases.  Italy reported a similar caseload (1697) on March 1.  On March 13, 12 days later...they surpassed 17k.  NY did that today...4 days later.  If NY’s rate of infection levels stay consistent like they have for the past 4 days, possibility exists that NY could be at the 1M number this time next week...
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Given case mortality  rate in Italy I would think the number of cases in Italy are much higher than reported.  Otherwise these low number death rate we see out there is way off. I hope that is the case for the sake of NY and the world (at least on case mortality rate).  

 
BigJim® said:
I get your point, but I don't think the U.S. society lacks optimism, it lacks fear.
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Tens and tens of Millions of people have sheltered themselves inside for the greater good. That’s amazing. Think about that rather than the dozens of aholes we see playing hoops on the court. It’s the focus on the negative without seeing any positives that drives me nuts. 

 
Ray McKigney said:
NYE, I started feeling like crap. First week of January, I was fatigued and had a low grade fever, but still worked and just slept longer than usual. I actually started a feel a bit better, then around the 8th or 9th, I was knocked on my ###. Missed two days of work, had sinus pressure like I'd never had before, couldn't walk from one room to another without wanting to nap. Got some weapons grade Sudafed and took ibuprofen to get by. After a few days, I was well enough to work again, but then lost all ability to taste or smell anything for about a week. It came back for a few hours and then disappeared again. After a week or so, it finally came back for good.

I did have a fair bit of drainage going on and had to blow my nose a lot and coughed up Smurfs on the reg. If not for that last fact, I'd be convinced I already had this. I'm not sure as it stands. It was into early February before I felt well again. 
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There is probably no way you got this in early January.  It was just starting to blow up in China then.  

 
msommer said:
People hyping clinically untested supposed cures doesn't help either
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False. It only hurts if people are hyping drugs as the end all-be all answer. No one is doing that. Optimism is just that - optimism. And it's needed to offset panic. Especially when all optimism and all panic is currently based on a shortage of facts.

 
got a call from a family member who's well connected... he advised to go now if we needed anything to sustain for the next few weeks. Mandatory lockdown announcement coming from the state in the next 24 hours.

Louisiana peeps, get ready.

 
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Redwes25 said:
There is probably no way you got this in early January.  It was just starting to blow up in China then.  
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False. The word was finally getting out in early January about what was rampant in China and had been for some time. Huge, canyon-sized difference. And with how contagious this thing is, it would be foolish to think it wasn't spread widely in the US by that point.

 
TwinTurbo said:
Agree 100%. Just from the stories coming out of WA, this has probably been in our borders since at least the first week of Jan and maybe earlier. So there may have already been tens of thousands that caught it and recovered, thinking it was just a bad flu or that showed no symptoms at all.
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This seems extremely unlikely.  Hospitals presumably would have noticed their ICUs overrun with critically ill patients all exhibiting the exact same pattern of pneumonia and ARDS.  It's a lot more probable that covid showed up in the US about the time we detected it -- the exponential spread of the disease is about what you'd expect from that.

 
Mr Anonymous said:
False. The word was finally getting out in early January about what was rampant in China and had been for some time. Huge, canyon-sized difference. And with how contagious this thing is, it would be foolish to think it wasn't spread widely in the US by that point.
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Almost everything you wrote here is wrong.

 
rustycolts said:
Ex Publix guy here. I was told by some of my friends still employed there that the raises were across the board and they were giving associates $100 gift cards too.  Its always been a pretty good company to work for. I used to feel a little guilty for what I made as a Produce Manager when I thought about what stating pay was for cops and teachers.

All my buddies told me if folks would just go back to there normal shopping habits the supply chain could catch back up in a matter of days. I remember what it was like when ever there was a hurricane lurking. This is like that but people are buying everything and its like the hurricane never leaves. I bought the team at my Publix 20 pizzas and had them delivered from the Dominos next door to show my appreciation. Lot of folks don't realize how hard retail grocery is especially in times like these.
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Some of this is true...the gift cards are $50 but $100 sounds a lot better. The biggest raises will go to their entry management which I outlined and higher. Anyone hired in the last few months will get a raise but about half what they are giving for their top folks to not even entertain other competitors. 

Publix is also going to hire roughly 10 new people per department per store...you are talking about thousands of folks so again anyone who was willing to serve food and put up with that BS should find the grocery stores easy to adapt to. 

My gut says though a lot of folks will want to stay home if they can. Many employees currently tasked with leaving their homes during this crisis that work in places like a grocery store are pulling the "Self Quarantine" act and I don't really blame them but I hear that's part of the reason for the MASS HIRE, those that don't want to work can stay home and eventually they might be permanently at home. 

Those that want to work and don't sit at a desk pushing paper and clicking buttons all day will have no problem filling positions right now. 

 
Capella said:
Tens and tens of Millions of people have sheltered themselves inside for the greater good. That’s amazing. Think about that rather than the dozens of aholes we see playing hoops on the court. It’s the focus on the negative without seeing any positives that drives me nuts. 
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People see this as 75% participation not being good enough though.   

 
The Duff Man said:
Day 8 of self quarantine following travel. It feels like 6 days from now when I can venture out, I am not going to want to.  Even for groceries.  
 
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Agreed.

Everyday the number of infected people is greater. 

I didn't like going out for groceries a couple of days ago.

 
Dan Lambskin said:
:rolleyes:
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I have a friend who works for the CDC, very high up, very well-connected.  Just got off the phone with him.

Ivan: Mr. X, is there anything I should know to keep me and my family safe in the coming days?

Mr. X: Yes, actually, there is.  Whatever you do, don't go to Detroit.  Trust me on this one.

Ivan: You mean there's coronavirus in Detroit?

Mr. X: No, I was there a couple of years ago, and it's a ####-hole.  You should stay away.

 
FWIW, here's my own list of benefits of NOT getting it in the immediate future:

  • you're not getting it or spreading it while the medical system is overwhelmed
  • the longer you can put it off, the greater the chance there's a vaccine and/or effective treatment
  • it may get harder to spread it to others once localized herd immunities kick in
  • you have longer to get yourself right before you get sick (lose weight, improve lung and heart function, stop smoking, stop drinking, address any underlying issues -- diabetes, high blood pressure -- etc that you've been putting off)
I realize not everyone can change their lives the way I have, and that's a ####ty thing to know, but we can ALL do something to improve our odds and keep it from spreading.  That's what we actually DO have some control over, which feels like a win.  And it's mentally healthy to have a goal -- something positive to be working towards.  The last one there in particular is doing something good for yourself in any time.  Take advantage of this situation to make a change.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I have a friend who works for the CDC, very high up, very well-connected.  Just got off the phone with him.

Ivan: Mr. X, is there anything I should know to keep me and my family safe in the coming days?

Mr. X: Yes, actually, there is.  Whatever you do, don't go to Detroit.  Trust me on this one.

Ivan: You mean there's coronavirus in Detroit?

Mr. X: No, I was there a couple of years ago, and it's a ####-hole.  You should stay away.
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:rolleyes:

 
shader said:
Agreed. The economic devastation from a 200 day social distancing policy would be like nothing we’ve ever seen
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I would argue that partial social distancing for a week has caused an economic devastation that most people have never seen.  (Considering all the factors - I think this is worse than 2008)

 
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