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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (12 Viewers)

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I see the opposite.

From what I can see and I talk to friends across the country, the vast majority of the country is doing excellent with social distancing. 

But nobody talks about that. 

It's certainly not 100%. But my sense is the vast majority of people are doing this very well. 
I guess the things that come to mind are packed bars locally for St Patrick’s Day and the news coverage of Spring Break. If there is that much blatant disregard for it is what we are doing still going to work? I hope so, but definitely some knuckleheads out there. 

 
This is like saying it was the evacuation order that killed the economy and not the hurricane. 
Plus, imagine how much more economic activity could be generated to benefit those at the top of the economic spectrum the most, by just losing some pesky little lives during a storm sent by mother nature.  Gods will or something something. Right?

 
Not to downplay the severity there but one of my first posts in here was a comment that I would be avoiding catching this because my local hospital is that one, Elmhurst. That place is a nightmare on a regular day. I've taken my in-laws there and had to wait hours for a room. They've shut down so many hospitals here in NY and especially in Queens over the past couple of decades, it is no surprise that the system is ill-prepared for this.. 

St. John's (pictured in this article) was walking distance from my house. It is now converted to apartments 
The general trend nationwide is for hospitals to shut down, or be purchased by larger health care systems. Given our aging population, relatively low number of providers and hospital beds per 100K population, it doesn't make a lot of sense. Meanwhile, scores of hospital admin making big $$S are hired, and clinicians are relegated to cogs in a management-bloated medical machine.  

 
Dont take this as criticism for going out, i sincerely mean this as a fun suggestion to do at home with kids (although i admit i dont know for sure if you have any at home, i think so, but not +), have you thought about trying to make your own? 
Perhaps if I had the supplies and patience to do so in the amounts needed.

And maybe as a science experiment.

But I waited til the last possible moment (as it was one of the first things people were buying up and hording.)  Id probably have been fine if it was just cpap as I wouldn't have been using as much.  But I have messed up sinuses and have to also do a rinse every night during the spring and fall (especially now having a cpap and how breathing through my nose is important with that).

And no worries...didn't take it as criticism.  We avoid going out...and it wasn't just a run to target for fun...picked up some food items to supplement us too (underestimated how much cereal my kids eat when they aren't rushing to get ready for school in the mornings)

 
This also assumes we can control / manage / eliminate inter-city and interstate travel.  My guess is when China locks down a region, folks REMAIN.  If China allows business to go forward in certain regions, but declares no one travels without meeting stringent criteria, my bet is people listen / are forced to listen).

It only takes a few folks going from an infected area to spread the virus to a "former" safe zone here, or someone from a safe zone venturing out to I dont know, spring break, churchh services with a 1000 of their closest friends, some hoops game...
We will never do this. 

We wont even tell coworkers who has the virus. Think China or South Korea is handling it that way? Yeah right. 

 
I guess the things that come to mind are packed bars locally for St Patrick’s Day and the news coverage of Spring Break. If there is that much blatant disregard for it is what we are doing still going to work? I hope so, but definitely some knuckleheads out there. 
The issue as I see it, is it only takes a relatively small number of knuckleheads to screw up the entire plan.  It's almost like saying the balloon is nearly impenetrable, only a few little pin ##### holes in just a few areas!

 
Did you even read this? Or see the headline and roll with it? It was some weekly webinar about alternative options if worst comes to worst. We have masks here in Tennessee. I know that first hand.

Not to get political (seriously), but this is why outlets get tagged with the "fake news" label. Headline is misleading at best.
We have some yes (though, still likely need more from what I have seen and heard from people I know in nursing)...and I don't think its political, it was an NYPost article they are basically a tabloid.

 
From Dr. Birx statement on Thursday

And the situation about ventilators. We are reassured in meeting with our colleagues in New York that there are still I.C.U. Beds remaining and still significant -- over 1,000 or 2,000 ventilators that have not been utilized. 

 
We have some yes (though, still likely need more from what I have seen and heard from people I know in nursing)...and I don't think its political, it was an NYPost article they are basically a tabloid.
My point is... we're not using diapers and goggles. Which is the premise of the headline. You're right. We should strive for better than NY Post.

 
I guess the things that come to mind are packed bars locally for St Patrick’s Day and the news coverage of Spring Break. If there is that much blatant disregard for it is what we are doing still going to work? I hope so, but definitely some knuckleheads out there. 
Insane that this was happening. Things are bad here in Michigan but I am really hoping we beat the curve on this as our bars were shutdown before St Pats Day even arrived. It would be interesting to see a map of when restrictions went into place. 

 
From Dr. Birx statement on Thursday
Given how many people could have left NYC to live this crisis out "elsewhere where in the country", it is very possible that NYC hospitals won't be impacted as much as Italy's were (and still are). So the numbers she is seeing could be very true. 

But, of course, that presents the other problem... that NYC's problem just became the problem of "elsewhere in the country". 

 
I hope that's true. I'll wait to hear it from the HCW in that hospital before I believe it. I know Cuomo has seemingly done a great job, but I'm not going to trust any politician's claims until it's corroborated by the people in the trenches. 
Yep. There seems to be a big divide right now between what the docs and nurses in the NYC trenches are saying and what the “leaders” are saying. 

 
I hope so, and thank you for sharing. News stories likely aren't going to focus on "look at how many people are doing the right thing!", they are going to focus on the sensational if possible, so it is easy to get the idea that so many people aren't taking this seriously.
That's exactly right. It's human nature. The negative stuff is what gets the attention. "Plane lands successfully" is not a story. There's good reason to pay more attention to danger than good as it's a survival thing. But it's also easy to not get a clear picture. 

 
That's exactly right. It's human nature. The negative stuff is what gets the attention. "Plane lands successfully" is not a story. There's good reason to pay more attention to danger than good as it's a survival thing. But it's also easy to not get a clear picture. 
True.

But you wouldn't expect on a trip to the grocery store and back to see dozens of plane crashes either. If the planes were landing successfully right now, people wouldn't be seeing what they are seeing. 

 
Yep. There seems to be a big divide right now between what the docs and nurses in the NYC trenches are saying and what the “leaders” are saying. 
Not just NYC trenches, unfortunately.  I live in an area that has not been hard hit (yet) and supplies are already quite low here. Practically everything disposable is on back order. Anything, disposable or reusable, that has to do with respiratory protection is nearly impossible to obtain. 

 
when someone's house is on fire and the fire department is working on putting it out, is it customary for people to be concerned about water damage?

 
beer 30 said:
This is what turned the tide in WWII. We completely retooled our industrial capabilities in a relatively short period of time and started pumping out what we needed to win a world war. I don't look at this much differently and think the response we need to get ahead of this is similar. You are also putting people to work that otherwise wouldn't be. We can figure this out, we're pretty ####### smart in this country.
This will eventually happen. The United States is blessed with many smart people, competent institutions, huge amounts of resources and an impressive work ethic.  This will, however, happen bottom up this time and take longer. The national level unification that took place during WWII is just not on the table as an option right now. 

 
Joe Bryant said:
That's exactly right. It's human nature. The negative stuff is what gets the attention. "Plane lands successfully" is not a story. There's good reason to pay more attention to danger than good as it's a survival thing. But it's also easy to not get a clear picture. 
Did you see where Peyton Manning crashed a UT online course?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/peyton-manning-crashes-university-of-tennessee-online-class-to-boost-students-morale/

 
Going out today for the first time in a long time. 

I ordered liquor and the store has a curbside deal where you pre-pay, drive up, pop the trunk  they load and you leave. 

I then have a pre arranged pickup time for groceries. 

Looking on paper I think these are about as risk-adversive as I can get.  

 
parasaurolophus said:
We will never do this. 

We wont even tell coworkers who has the virus. Think China or South Korea is handling it that way? Yeah right. 
I know we will never do this... which is why it's tough to compare strategies and tactics that apply or may be possible here with nations that have a different culture, power structure, political structure.

 
Ben Hur said:
This isn't exactly true.  The technical worker classes were given back roads to exit the hot spots if the needed to get to their factories.  Not factory workers, more like the technical engineer types that needed to be there to start up the line even with skeleton crews.  Those that came from hot spots were treated differently at first till they showed no fever for three days and were given extreme separation.  

The military/police stopped up the main roads, yes.  
Perhaps I was not clear enough (and appreciate the insight, as I don't have any "direct" or one degree removed info)... when China makes a government directive, people listen.  It's not optional. It's not a declaration that is ignored, and/or not enforced.

Here we have word of some businesses and even communities where there is a blatant disregard for shelter in place orders.  Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm wrong plenty), but that wouldn't occur at any scale in China.

 
Spain is up another 6,273 cases and 493 deaths.  They also do an evening update as well. Their new cases have steadily gone up over the last 4 days.  

There's a real chance that these social distancing measures are going to take much longer to work than 1 month.  It could take up to 2 months. We are all HOPING that we see the numbers drop over the next week or two as people move around a lot less than they did.  

But there's one difference that we don't talk about as much. China took infected people AWAY and quarantined them.  We don't do that, and I don't believe Italy or Spain do either.  So when they come home sick, a week or two later their family gets sick too.  So the quarantine time has to lengthen to account for that.  Only when the entire household is clear, will the numbers drop. That may account for why even almost 3 weeks after the lockdown in Italy, we're still seeing significant daily increases in new cases.

 
parasaurolophus said:
Dont take this as criticism for going out, i sincerely mean this as a fun suggestion to do at home with kids (although i admit i dont know for sure if you have any at home, i think so, but not +), have you thought about trying to make your own? 
Boiling water is a fun suggestion to do with your kids?

 
FWIW, literally just got news of this hitting closish to home.  Until now, I had not known anyone who has had COVID-19 hit them directly.

On our morning conference call, one of my colleagues let us know that her Mother had been infected and was in the hospital.  The good news is she is recovering... but it's sobering nonetheless.

As she said, we all need to be careful and vigilant, but catching this is not a death sentence - for most.  But, it is for some. And the threat of contagion is real.

Best of health to everyone out there.

 
RnR said:
My point is... we're not using diapers and goggles. Which is the premise of the headline. You're right. We should strive for better than NY Post.
NY Post is always about headlines.  It is a tabloid and not a true news source.  I wouldn't post anything from them or from NY daily news either.  

 
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Yes, but the thought that people weren't moving around at all is not realistic, even between provinces.  They were simply smart about it and not moving high risk people, and the ones that did move were tracked down to the meter.  

Those that were in the hot spots were given cell phone apps that communicated to them when they were allowed to perform certain tasks outside their residence.  

I have some insight into this as we had to evacuate people from West China when #### got real, plus keep factory operations going.  All of which never really slowed down beyond the scheduled CNY activities. 
Yes, their lockdown was very strategic due to the fact that their testing was comprehensive.  It was primarily Hubei that had the severe lockdown restrictions.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hubei_lockdowns#Elsewhere_in_China

 
Thanks for the update.  FBGs have zero tolerance for propaganda.  I will boycott both the Daily Mail plus the New York Post from now on.  
I can't speak to the Daily Mail, but the Post has ALWAYS been "flexible" with what constitutes news, the truth, or objectivity.  For one, they are a platform that has historically conflated NEWSpaper with tabloid (they are even called a tabloid in NY... along with the Daily News, which imo is not nearly as egregious, but still sometimes veers... in all transparency, the Post is the "Right Leaning/Conservative" and Daily News the "Left Leaning/Liberal" tabloid/rag as they are referred to back home).  They are also a Murdoch outlet, for what that's worth. 

Between their lack of political objectivity and penchant for flair and controversy over truth, context, and straight shooting, I am naturally suspicious of anything the Post writes.  But, page 6 is a hoot, and for sports there is good value there.  That's generally it in my personal opinion. I also am very skeptical of what is in the Daily News.

 
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Politician Spock said:
Given how many people could have left NYC to live this crisis out "elsewhere where in the country", it is very possible that NYC hospitals won't be impacted as much as Italy's were (and still are). So the numbers she is seeing could be very true. 

But, of course, that presents the other problem... that NYC's problem just became the problem of "elsewhere in the country". 
Please don't keep saying this is a NY problem.  This is a national crisis and calling it a NY issue is like calling it the China Virus.  Doesn't deal with what we are facing and just passing the blame on someone else.  

 
I can't speak to the Daily Mail, but the Post has ALWAYS been "flexible" with what constitutes news, the truth, or objectivity.  For one, they are a platform that has historically conflated NEWSpaper with tabloid (they are even called a tabloid in NY... along with the Daily News, which imo is not nearly as egregious, but still sometimes veers... in all transparency, the Post is the "Right Leaning/Conservative" and Daily News the "Left Leaning/Liberal" tabloid/rag as they are referred to back home).  They are also a Murdoch outlet, for what that's worth. 

Between their lack of political objectivity and penchant for flair and controversy over truth, context, and straight shooting, I am naturally suspicious of anything the Post writes.  But, page 6 is a hoot, and for sports there is good value there.  That's generally it in my personal opinion. I also am very skeptical of what is in the Daily News.
Sports in the Post and NY Daily news are great sections for covering NY sports.  Those are legitimate news when it comes to Sports.  

 
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Please don't keep saying this is a NY problem.  This is a national crisis and calling it a NY issue is like calling it the China Virus.  Doesn't deal with what we are facing and just passing the blame on someone else.  
Michigan and Louisiana (specifically Detroit and New Orleans) are spiraling as well.

 
prosopis said:
I filed for unemployment. For the first time ever.
Sorry GB

Politician Spock said:
In other words, GM couldn't make a profit at the price the government was willing to pay for them. 
My comment isn't directed at you Spock, just in general.

There are times when profit should be secondary to the greater good. GM deals with the government on a 100 different projects everyday, they know what the margins are. Every government contract I've been involved with is capped in one way or the other, either not-to-exceed or set margin of X% over cost (usually low single digits).

Doesn't matter as it seems judging by comments I've seen, the folks signing the check don't feel the need for these anyhow.

 
Please don't keep saying this is a NY problem.  This is a national global crisis and calling it a NY issue is like calling it the China Virus.  Doesn't deal with what we are facing and just passing the blame on someone else.  
Had to make that change, sorry.

 
Please don't keep saying this is a NY problem.  This is a national crisis and calling it a NY issue is like calling it the China Virus.  Doesn't deal with what we are facing and just passing the blame on someone else.  
Okay. I'll change my words to reflect that NYC is leading the way in our country.  

 
GoBirds said:
I guess the things that come to mind are packed bars locally for St Patrick’s Day and the news coverage of Spring Break. If there is that much blatant disregard for it is what we are doing still going to work? I hope so, but definitely some knuckleheads out there. 
personally from my experience I'm seeing what Joe sees - the majority of people are taking it seriously and trying to do this social distancing thing right. But there's still plenty of idiots out there and the media's gonna focus on showing us those people instead, because covering folks who are good citizens and comply with the government orders is boring and doesn't attract viewers.

 
But there's still plenty of idiots out there and the media's gonna focus on showing us those people instead, because covering folks who are good citizens and comply with the government orders is boring and doesn't attract viewers.
Boring or unnecessary, and potentially undermining to the need? 

 
beer 30 said:
We completely retooled our industrial capabilities in a relatively short period of time and started pumping out what we needed to win a world war. I don't look at this much differently and think the response we need to get ahead of this is similar. You are also putting people to work that otherwise wouldn't be. We can figure this out, we're pretty ####### smart in this country.
We don't have the political will, nor the central expertise necessary to execute this.  Few are willing to sacrifice now like people sacrificed in WWII.

 
personally from my experience I'm seeing what Joe sees - the majority of people are taking it seriously and trying to do this social distancing thing right. But there's still plenty of idiots out there and the media's gonna focus on showing us those people instead, because covering folks who are good citizens and comply with the government orders is boring and doesn't attract viewers.
I know it's a cliche but there is truth in the saying "we are only as strong as our weakest link". Given essential workers have to keep us alive, there is going to be a certain amount of virus spread. It's unavoidable. The hope is that amount of virus spread necessary to keep essential workers working will keep the curve below the line that exceeds our hospital capacity. It won't take much activity at all from the non-essential group to push us over the line. Even if the vast majority of non-essential people are doing it right, it could be all for not because of our weak links. 

 
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