*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (13 Viewers)

[RUSF18]

Twitter is full of ignorant political tweets from both sides. I mean, it's Twitter. Not sure why we need to bring them in here though. 

Weren't you the guy complaining about politics being brought into all of these posts yesterday?

There was nothing explicitly political about the tweet Jessup posted, and yet look what you just did. 

 

[JShare87]

I believe this is the answer.  MA is going to start intensive testing and contact tracing.  Many believe this is the best way to manage outbreaks.

But how does testing fix the probable scenario I listed? All the people Johnny came into contact with will still have to quarantine for a certain period, right? It is going to completely destroy schools with just 1 positive test. 

 

[Morton Muffley]

I don’t understand.  Their own situation is benefited by listening to the economists.

Psychology would suggest that this situation is akin to the prisoner's dilemma except...it's you vs. 1 million other prisoners.  The higher the stakes for you OR the greater the distribution of others, the more likely we are to end up with a sub-optimal outcome for all.

Alternatively, it's the Richard Feynman Manhattan project writ large: in that instance Feynman was recruited for the project and told to report to Los Alamos but was warned explicitly NOT to book passage directly lest the Germans were watching all of our top scientists and saw that they ALL were headed to Los Alamos.  Feynman, correctly assuming that EVERY other world-class physicist had been given the same explicit direction deduced that he'd be fine booking straight to Los Alamos since no one else would be!  Indeed, he humorously deduced that his duty was to book directly to Los Alamos since no one else would be doing it and it'd look weird to the Germans in NO ONE was booking directly to Los Alamos.  Anyway, it was an amusing anecdote but instructive that even our best and brightest are capable of disobeying direct instruction in even the most high-stakes circumstances.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Weren't you the guy complaining about politics being brought into all of these posts yesterday?

There was nothing explicitly political about the tweet Jessup posted, and yet look what you just did. 

Huh? Yes, I was and still am. There's an entire forum dedicated to political discussions. We don't need that garbage in here.

 

[RUSF18]

Huh? Yes, I was and still am. There's an entire forum dedicated to political discussions. We don't need that garbage in here.

Troll away, good sir.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

That aren’t shutting down food production. Most of the folks in SD probably have a freezer full of food. They are risking their lives feeding CA and NY

Huh?   You think most people in SD have an entire freezer full of food and aren't doing any grocery shopping?   Based on what?

 

[GroveDiesel]

This is pretty amazing.

https://medium.com/@henrysward/cartas-covid-19-layoff-cbb80e3e8a5d

Incredibly well done. I imagine they’ll have no problems attracting high quality workers on the other side of this thing when the time comes.

 

[Roy L Fewks]

Weren't you the guy complaining about politics being brought into all of these posts yesterday?

There was nothing explicitly political about the tweet Jessup posted, and yet look what you just did. 

Huh? Yes, I was and still am. There's an entire forum dedicated to political discussions. We don't need that garbage in here.

I think the point is that the original tweet was not political and that @shader did not describe it as political.

Shader used the phrase "ignorant tweet" and then you responded with the phrase "ignorant political tweets." Why did you feel the need to insert the word "political" into the phrase?

 

[encaitar]

Huh?   You think most people in SD have an entire freezer full of food and aren't doing any grocery shopping?   Based on what?

Willing to bet that at least 40% of South Dakotans have at least half a deer worth of meat in their freezer right now.

 

[shader]

Twitter is full of ignorant political tweets from both sides. I mean, it's Twitter. Not sure why we need to bring them in here though. 

I didn't read any political insinuations there?  I don't get your point.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Can someone explain (in simple terms, because I'm a simpleton) the concept of these super spreader people.  How is it that they infect so many people - is it just about the situation/logistics and not the individual or is there something special about this person that they can contaminate so many?

Yeah.  Math.  Each person who is "sick" infects another 3 people.   So if 1 person gets sick, that 1 quickly turns into:
1 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3........etc.

 

[RUSF18]

Our mayor (Hoboken NJ, across the river from NYC) just announced that our testing center will start rapid testing tomorrow. 15 minutes, results on site. 

Said to be one of the first one in the region so hopefully the process works as expected. 

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Willing to bet that at least 40% of South Dakotans have at least half a deer worth of meat in their freezer right now.

A) how many people do you know who only eat meat from their freezer for every single meal?

B) that means 60% of people would still need groceries

C) I grew up in WI.  Very few people had a half deer worth of meat in their freezer.  It's not that different from SD culturally.

 

[msommer]

I don't understand why I'm supposed to be mad at people for buying televisions.  If I hadn't replaced our main-room tv this past Christmas, I damn sure would be doing so now.

It may not be the most effective  way to stimulate the local economy. But to be mad may be too much. SMH would be more like it for me

 

[BassNBrew]

Huh?   You think most people in SD have an entire freezer full of food and aren't doing any grocery shopping?   Based on what?

I think larger percentage of people in SD either have farm raise beef or venison in their freezer.  I would bet most of the product at that plant isn't staying in SD.

 

[NotSmart]

Seems pretty apparent this is going to create even more divide.  Outside of this thread where generally people seem to be on the same page, the battlelines are getting drawn.  People have developed very strong opinions on this, not a lot of middle ground.

It's almost like you could assign colors to the sides.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I think larger percentage of people in SD either have farm raise beef or venison in their freezer.  I would bet most of the product at that plant isn't staying in SD.

Well yeah.  It's just math if they produce 20% of the pork in America.  SD doesn't have 20% of the population. 

The rest of the conversation is a tangent, so I'll drop the part about people's freezers.

 

[shader]

New York shutdown extended to May 15th.  They also reported 606 new deaths.

 

[chet]

That's such an ignorant tweet.  So sad to see.

Same #### tweeted this a couple of days ago.  Selfish and entitled.

 

[Doug B]

Can someone explain (in simple terms, because I'm a simpleton) the concept of these super spreader people.  How is it that they infect so many people - is it just about the situation/logistics and not the individual or is there something special about this person that they can contaminate so many?

IMHO it's situation and in some cases obstinacy/institutional error in triage. The South Korean superspreader refused to be tested twice, in this case it could be the 500 bucks bonus for not calling in sick together with a triage only testing the worst cases

Good explanation. I think people commonly misinterpret "super-spreader" as someone who spreads the virus in a different way from other human beings. That's not true -- a person becomes a super-spreader primarily due to circumstances.

 

[Capella]

Seeing more and more weariness of this whole ordeal on my social media. 

Stuff like this getting lots of traction:

And as expected, the story from yesterday of "it came from a lab" getting traction because of misleading headlines and lots of "I told y'all!!!" when they didn't even read the actual article. 

It's tiresome. And somewhat worrisome. 

Stupidity had always been the real pandemic 

 

[T J]

Same #### tweeted this a couple of days ago.  Selfish and entitled.

Because you say so? Talk about arrogant. 

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I think the point is that the original tweet was not political and that @shader did not describe it as political.

Shader used the phrase "ignorant tweet" and then you responded with the phrase "ignorant political tweets." Why did you feel the need to insert the word "political" into the phrase?

Because the original tweet Jessup posted was political imo. Political pundits on Twitter - and I won't name her specifically because that's what I'm trying to avoid - will tweets the most controversial things for the sake of likes and RTs. I just think it belongs in the political forum is all.

 

[encaitar]

A) how many people do you know who only eat meat from their freezer for every single meal?

B) that means 60% of people would still need groceries

C) I grew up in WI.  Very few people had a half deer worth of meat in their freezer.  It's not that different from SD culturally.

Eh...  I grew up in North Dakota.  Everyone I knew had half a deer in their freezer.  Everyone also had all of their veggies from the garden frozen or in jars until the next spring as well.  

Also, everyone from a small town already bought their groceries 3-4 weeks at a time.  It's pretty much standard practice for when you went to the "big city" that had a Sam's Club or a Costco.

I guess maybe I'm projecting here, but I know if I brought 3 bags of frozen food to any of my relatives or their friends in ND, it would take them 20 minutes to make room in their freezer for them.

 

[Doug B]

That aren’t shutting down food production. Most of the folks in SD probably have a freezer full of food. They are risking their lives feeding CA and NY

Huh?   You think most people in SD have an entire freezer full of food and aren't doing any grocery shopping?   Based on what?

Not at all specific or unique to BassNBrew ... but this situation really uncovers the weird presumptions we all have of the world around us. A lot of what we "know" to be "truth" and "reality" is pretty much formed from whole cloth in our cerebral cortexes from the barest wisp of a germ of an ideas. We're great at filling in the details, and then some.

 

[RUSF18]

Because the original tweet Jessup posted was political imo. Political pundits on Twitter - and I won't name her specifically because that's what I'm trying to avoid - will tweets the most controversial things for the sake of likes and RTs. I just think it belongs in the political forum is all.

So, again, you brought politics into the thread. 

 

[JAA]

But how does testing fix the probable scenario I listed? All the people Johnny came into contact with will still have to quarantine for a certain period, right? It is going to completely destroy schools with just 1 positive test. 

I believe its less about that, and more about knowledge of where.  Meaning, areas can quickly respond to outbreaks if they have the information.  Planning and logistics are key here.

With respect to what actually would happen, I believe the NIH has guidelines on how to approach this.  For example, my work has broken the entire company into 2 teams.  Only members from team A come into the office on days S-W, Team B only comes in T-S.  No 2 shall cross.  In this instance, should someone from Team A get infected, we know Team B is in the clear.  Its not perfect, but it helps mitigate issues while maintaining a workforce.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

So, again, you brought politics into the thread. 

No I didn't bring it into the thread - the poster Shader was responding to did. I'm asking that we keep it out.

 

[JAA]

Psychology would suggest that this situation is akin to the prisoner's dilemma except...it's you vs. 1 million other prisoners.  The higher the stakes for you OR the greater the distribution of others, the more likely we are to end up with a sub-optimal outcome for all.

Alternatively, it's the Richard Feynman Manhattan project writ large: in that instance Feynman was recruited for the project and told to report to Los Alamos but was warned explicitly NOT to book passage directly lest the Germans were watching all of our top scientists and saw that they ALL were headed to Los Alamos.  Feynman, correctly assuming that EVERY other world-class physicist had been given the same explicit direction deduced that he'd be fine booking straight to Los Alamos since no one else would be!  Indeed, he humorously deduced that his duty was to book directly to Los Alamos since no one else would be doing it and it'd look weird to the Germans in NO ONE was booking directly to Los Alamos.  Anyway, it was an amusing anecdote but instructive that even our best and brightest are capable of disobeying direct instruction in even the most high-stakes circumstances.

Prisoners dilemma is apt.  That is until one of their family members contracts and dies.

 

[Doug B]

Because the original tweet Jessup posted was political imo. Political pundits on Twitter - and I won't name her specifically because that's what I'm trying to avoid - will tweets the most controversial things for the sake of likes and RTs. I just think it belongs in the political forum is all.

You're right about that tweeter, but she is not a household name -- her tweets can therefore be treated the same as any random person's tweet.

Although a quick perusal of her tweets makes it easy to write off her perspective entirely. A very "Fight me! I'm controversial!!1!!" mindset.

 

[belljr]

Without trying to be political.... There are plenty of people that think this is blown out of proportion.

I'm baffled how it became a red vs blue

And jessep never posted an author...

So I'm even more

 

[Statorama]

No you are not at all.  CNN was running a story last night about how certain European countries are reopening slowly and they touted how "X" country has reopened its schools with distancing being enforced. They showed a school room with 1 kid per table--so there were literally 8-10 kids in the classroom. My wife who was a special education teacher and is now in administration, looked at me and said for that to work for the average US school, you would need a huge warehouse just to accommodate that type of spread--considering some classes have a 25-1 (some a lot higher) student/teacher ratio. There just is no way that is going to happen.

Could lift restrictions on charter schools across the nation.  They'd pop up everywhere.

 

[chet]

Without trying to be political.... There are plenty of people that think this is blown out of proportion.

I'm baffled how it became a red vs blue

And jessep never posted an author...

So I'm even more

Do you think that the virus is less dangerous than originally thought or the mitigation techniques have been more effective.  Please show your work.

 

[Statorama]

You're right about that tweeter, but she is not a household name -- her tweets can therefore be treated the same as any random person's tweet.

Although a quick perusal of her tweets makes it easy to write off her perspective entirely. A very "Fight me! I'm controversial!!1!!" mindset.

There's plenty like that on the left also, and I'm glad those aren't being posted either.

 

[belljr]

Do you think that the virus is less dangerous than originally thought or the mitigation techniques have been more effective.  Please show your work.

Huh?

 

[eurotrashman]

Twitter is full of ignorant political tweets from both sides. I mean, it's Twitter. Not sure why we need to bring them in here though. 

Twitter is also full of great information and facts from verified people and also people on the front lines who use this medium to share their stories.  And yes there is a lot of crap on there as well. There’s also so amazing and heart-warming stories and nice comedy relief breaks.

 

[Doug B]

Do you think that the virus is less dangerous than originally thought or the mitigation techniques have been more effective.  Please show your work.

Huh?

I think chet misread you -- looks like he thought you were including yourself among the "plenty of people that think this is blown out of proportion".

 

[Morton Muffley]

I think her math is way off too

correct.  she forgot to multiply by 100 when she added the % sign to the number that popped out of her calculator.  don't ya hate it when your inability to execute fifth grade math is the ONLY thing that stands between you and a perfect argument?

hint: it's not the ONLY thing

 

[belljr]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/04/14/why-are-rich-americans-getting-17-million-stimulus-checks/amp/

If this is political I apologize ..

I guess it is but people should read this imo

 

[moleculo]

No you are not at all.  CNN was running a story last night about how certain European countries are reopening slowly and they touted how "X" country has reopened its schools with distancing being enforced. They showed a school room with 1 kid per table--so there were literally 8-10 kids in the classroom. My wife who was a special education teacher and is now in administration, looked at me and said for that to work for the average US school, you would need a huge warehouse just to accommodate that type of spread--considering some classes have a 25-1 (some a lot higher) student/teacher ratio. There just is no way that is going to happen.

Could we just have half the kids going to school on any given day?

 

[shader]

No I didn't bring it into the thread - the poster Shader was responding to did. I'm asking that we keep it out.

No he didn't

 

[beer 30]

December of what year?

This country isn't returning to normal by December of 2020. No way, no how.

Well there's the rub, isn't it? No, I don't think we will back to normal because much like 9/12/2001, the normal we knew before this is gone for good IMO. There will be a new normal, will it be anytime soon? I don't think so but we'll gravitate to a new normal at some point and starting soon, also IMO. Whether everyone is on board with it or not is anther conversation. 

No you are not at all.  CNN was running a story last night about how certain European countries are reopening slowly and they touted how "X" country has reopened its schools with distancing being enforced. They showed a school room with 1 kid per table--so there were literally 8-10 kids in the classroom. My wife who was a special education teacher and is now in administration, looked at me and said for that to work for the average US school, you would need a huge warehouse just to accommodate that type of spread--considering some classes have a 25-1 (some a lot higher) student/teacher ratio. There just is no way that is going to happen.

My daughter teaches 2nd grade. She has 22-23 kids in her class in a room that would never accommodate this kind of seating arrangement. She'd have to halve the class to do something like this.

 

[Doug B]

Could we just have half the kids going to school on any given day?

One thing that crossed my mind was to have two 5-hour school days every day -- something like 8:00 a.m. to 1 p.m., and then another at, say, 1:30 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. Maybe for elementary grades, it could be two four-hour sessions instead so that kids wouldn't have to come home so long after dark in the winter.

 

[shader]

An opinion on the coronavirus is not political, at all.  Candace Owens has an opinion on the coronavirus.  She also appears to have 2.1 million followers.  Someone with that many followers spreading dangerous opinions on twitter is an issue.  

 

[msommer]

Stupidity had always been the real pandemic 

Nature or nurture?

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

An opinion on the coronavirus is not political, at all.  Candace Owens has an opinion on the coronavirus.  She also appears to have 2.1 million followers.  Someone with that many followers spreading dangerous opinions on twitter is an issue.  

Yes. I apologize @NorvilleBarnes (assume you're talking about me even if you just referred to me as "the poster")  if my quote of her was "bringing politics in" but a) she's not a politician and b) her stats were the sensational part of her tweet, and the part that's getting traction (not only on Twitter, but screenshots making their way around as memes on other SM as well) and c) if you want to nitpick about politics, this whole virus is somewhat political now that governments all over the world are involved, no?

I was only really trying to make a point of how weary the masses are growing of this whole ordeal, from my perspective based on the people/places around the country and world that I am seeing, and them reaching for incomplete/poorly calculated/falsely correlated information. Maybe I did a poor job of that. Oh well.

No need to belabor the point. 

As you were. 

 

[CurlyNight]

That aren’t shutting down food production. Most of the folks in SD probably have a freezer full of food. They are risking their lives feeding CA and NY

What about their other cases and deaths, not just at that factory. 

 

[msommer]

No I didn't bring it into the thread - the poster Shader was responding to did. I'm asking that we keep it out.

Is this your new shtick? I mean, I can't remember you posting anything else in this thread than whines complaints on others being political...

 

[BassNBrew]

Not at all specific or unique to BassNBrew ... but this situation really uncovers the weird presumptions we all have of the world around us. A lot of what we "know" to be "truth" and "reality" is pretty much formed from whole cloth in our cerebral cortexes from the barest wisp of a germ of an ideas. We're great at filling in the details, and then some.

Huh?

Someone posted a stat that about half of the SD infected came from one meat packing factory. Another poster said omg I can’t believe SD hasn’t shut things down.  My point was that even if they had #### things down the meat packing would be considered essential. Furthermore, the source of most of the SD infections was a business much more likely to be supporting other places than SD on a percentage basis

 

[That one guy]

I don't understand why I'm supposed to be mad at people for buying televisions.  If I hadn't replaced our main-room tv this past Christmas, I damn sure would be doing so now.

Down payment on our pool that starts in a few weeks just got much larger