*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (11 Viewers)

[Grace Under Pressure]

Pretty good rundown on Pediatric Syndrome:

Rare and Treatable both mentioned, but caution urged

'Almost all the kids are treatable': What parents should know about new COVID-related inflammatory disease

“One difference from Kawasaki, which develops in about one in every 10,000 American children under 5 every year, is the age range for this disease stretches into adolescence. Schleien said he has seen it in minors as old as 14.

One fortuitous similarity, though, is that both can be treated effectively, usually with intravenous immunoglobulin and sometimes steroids, followed by aspirin. Hospital stays for patients may last two to four days. Parents are advised to check with a physician or take their children to an emergency room if their fever persists for more than  two to three days, especially if some of the other symptoms appear, including a rapid heartbeat.

“The good news is that, like Kawasaki disease, almost all the kids are treatable,’’ Schleien said. “It is highly likely that, with treatment, they’re going to be fine. It’s not like the fear of COVID-19 where we know there are no treatments and it’s a matter of luck.’’

 

[the moops]

Tell that to the workers in Las Vegas hospitals in January. Tell that the Nevada Health authority that documented how Covid-19 swept through the CES convention the first week of January. Tell that to Gavin Newsom who has California coroners reevaluating deaths all the way back to December.

And the correct term is bullschiff.

I am going to resist engaging. Ugh

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Pretty good rundown on Pediatric Syndrome:

Rare and Treatable both mentioned, but caution urged

'Almost all the kids are treatable': What parents should know about new COVID-related inflammatory disease

“One difference from Kawasaki, which develops in about one in every 10,000 American children under 5 every year, is the age range for this disease stretches into adolescence. Schleien said he has seen it in minors as old as 14.

One fortuitous similarity, though, is that both can be treated effectively, usually with intravenous immunoglobulin and sometimes steroids, followed by aspirin. Hospital stays for patients may last two to four days. Parents are advised to check with a physician or take their children to an emergency room if their fever persists for more than  two to three days, especially if some of the other symptoms appear, including a rapid heartbeat.

“The good news is that, like Kawasaki disease, almost all the kids are treatable,’’ Schleien said. “It is highly likely that, with treatment, they’re going to be fine. It’s not like the fear of COVID-19 where we know there are no treatments and it’s a matter of luck.’’

Another Doctor speaks to the rarity:

”Through the haze of uncertainty still surrounding the coronavirus and its offshoots, Maldonado wants to appease parents while reminding them to practice social distancing and encourage it on their children. And she has these messages about the new syndrome:

“We have to do two things,’’ she said. “We have to reassure people that it’s very rare. And at the same time, we need to make people aware this is not a made-up disease. This is real.’’

 

[Jayrod]

It's such a difficult decision.  I'm at a smaller, Catholic university, and the talk is that we'll be back in class.  But if the virus is still active, I'm sure we'll have students (as in early/mid March) who say "I'm not comfortable coming onto campus."  What do we do then?  But at you state, IK, if we commit to online, then more students are likely to stay away ...either take a semester or year off, or start college at/switch schools to a low-cost community college.  Still quite a Catch-22.

But I feel the decisions are even more difficult for elementary, middle, and high schools ...fuller classes; more implications for parents tied to when their younger children are or are not in school.  We can talk all we want about reopening the economy, but until we know how schooling will look in the fall, that talk doesn't mean very much.

71% of US households do not have children.

The economy is a much bigger concern than what schools do or don't do and will be handled accordingly.  

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Brazil will probably pass the US in deaths eventually.  I haven’t modeled it yet, but that’s what my very rough math suggests.

India probably has as many total cases as the US already, we just don’t know it (yet) due to their low testing rates (per capita).

I heard a long time back that Germany was pooling samples to increase their test capacity.  Is any other country doing the same?

Link

 

[DaVinci]

Of course they can work if they want.

Yes, they can travel too.

Where? Unemployment is through the roof. A lot of countries have travel restrictions. Museums, theaters, concerts, sporting events, etc. are all shut down.

What did you do on your gap year? Instacart and walks around the block.

 

[Battersbox]

Another Doctor speaks to the rarity:

”Through the haze of uncertainty still surrounding the coronavirus and its offshoots, Maldonado wants to appease parents while reminding them to practice social distancing and encourage it on their children. And she has these messages about the new syndrome:

“We have to do two things,’’ she said. “We have to reassure people that it’s very rare. And at the same time, we need to make people aware this is not a made-up disease. This is real.’’

I had read similar reports on this. It sucks because it's one more piece of bad news, but it appears it shouldn't be a material sentiment-changer in the grand scheme.

Being a parent sucks sometimes. I equate the risk to children health-wise to my fears about my daughter getting her drivers license earlier this year. It's horrible every time she leaves the house right now because I'm not used to the constant worry about what other drivers might be doing (or how she might be lapsing in her diligence). Still, the her well-being and mental growth outweigh the relatively minor risks of getting behind the wheel. 

 

[eoMMan]

Where? Unemployment is through the roof. A lot of countries have travel restrictions. Museums, theaters, concerts, sporting events, etc. are all shut down.

What did you do on your gap year? Instacart and walks around the block.

I don't think you're being open minded about this.

 

[tri-man 47]

71% of US households do not have children.

The economy is a much bigger concern than what schools do or don't do and will be handled accordingly.  

Fair enough, although some of that 71% is likely to include those retired from the workforce.  Regardless, for the 29% (or more), figuring out parent(s) work/kids not in school will be a challenge.  We'll see how this summer goes, as this situation occurs every summer, of course.  But this summer will be without many of the day camps and day sitters and such (due to social distancing and fears of the virus) that allowed parents to keep working.  Widespread testing would sure help to put parents (and others) at ease.

 

[matuski]

Went out for first time in long while today. Thunderbirds were set to do flyover over Austin. We looked at map provided by Air Force where they were supposed to loop around a local freeway interchange around 3:43. Son and I showed early near the spot they were supposed to circle and we and a few dozen others safely socially distanced in a (hot) parking lot waited, and waited, and waited. And they never came. Other places in city reported they saw them, but they apparently started 10 minutes early and didn’t stick to the published route. So disappointing!

Regardless, got a look at the general state of affairs. Most businesses were open. Highways and parking lots busy. Grocery stores packed. Even saw some panhandlers with people opening their car windows and handing cash a foot away. 

We stepped outside just in time to see them.  They were in SA before they hit Austin.  Pretty cool.

 

[AAABatteries]

I do too. The extremes on both sides of this are making this so much harder than it needs to be.

I’m aligned with you that we need to balance opening up vs. quarantine but to suggest that this isn’t difficult and should be easy is just crazy.  100k people are going to die and we don’t really know what we are dealing with and are months or years from a vaccine.  

 

[TheWinz]

My county in southeastern CT is planning on relaxing it's stay-at-home order on 20 May.  Amazingly, the folks here have been very good.  Masks everywhere you look, people giving each other space in grocery stores, and overall, people being courteous.  804 positives, 60 deaths, 24 current hospitalizations in a county of roughly 266K.

 

[DaVinci]

Where? Unemployment is through the roof. A lot of countries have travel restrictions. Museums, theaters, concerts, sporting events, etc. are all shut down.

What did you do on your gap year? Instacart and walks around the block.

I don't think you're being open minded about this.

I think you're being shortsighted. It sucks that kids are going to miss out on a year of their college experience. Online classes don't provide the same educational opportunity. They'll miss hanging out with friends, going to parties, spring break, and all that. My daughter was studying abroad in Europe and had the plug pulled halfway through the semester. It sucks. But what's the alternative? What kind of meaningful experience is available that will be worth delaying their education for a year? Things may be starting to open up, but things aren't going to be normal until there's a vaccine or effective treatment. Work and volunteer opportunities will be scarce. Travel restrictions will remain. You can't even hike the Appalachian Trail.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

I’m aligned with you that we need to balance opening up vs. quarantine but to suggest that this isn’t difficult and should be easy is just crazy.  100k people are going to die and we don’t really know what we are dealing with and are months or years from a vaccine.  

We know a whole helluva lot more going forward. If we hit 100K deaths, upwards of 50K, if not more, of them will have come from nursing homes. Nursing homes where 100,000+ workers were laid off because of the shutdowns. And the other 50K are made up primarily of the elderly and people with underlying health conditions or a combination of both. We also know from the businesses which remained opened, like grocery stores, that simple steps like distancing and masks, prevented a spike in hospitalizations and deaths among grocery employees. We've also started to learn how telling people not to go outside was a terrible idea given the higher rate of transmission indoors, how heat and sunlight destroy it rapidly on surfaces, and how Vitamin D deficiency is highly prevalent among those who lost their lives. And that's not even mentioning how many of the deaths came from one densely populated, subway riding, US city that was slow to react.

We'd literally have to act on none of this knowledge to have anywhere near as bad of results going forward. 

 

[adonis]

There seems to be literally no way we can avoid rising above 100k deaths with our current leadership and the national climate of "get back to normal no matter the cost".

 

[Morton Muffley]

That is the vaguest mumbo jumbo I have ever seen.

An article citing a non peer reviewed study and omitting any details about the study whatsoever...

eta - CYDY could learn a lesson from this as a selling piece though.  

Lol, at "the vaguest mumbo jumbo" and "omitting any details about the study."  The article contains a link to the research write up that exhaustively details the background, methods, models and even a link to the source data. Now admittedly it has not been peer review, but the article clearly states that...doesn't it.  And I posted would always reccommend taking all findings in these early stages with several large grains of salt.

But to not allow a study with 11 authors from various highly respected educational and public health institutions to cause you to rethink any of your preconceived notions based on anecdotal accounts or limited and non-representative first hand experiences seems the height of arrogance IMO.  Best to just continuing rolling on the floor laughing at everything that contradicts your limited worldview, right?  Good luck with that approach.

 

[[scooter]]

There seems to be literally no way we can avoid rising above 100k deaths with our current leadership and the national climate of "get back to normal no matter the cost".

Are you sure you meant to type "100k" and not "200k"?

Because we'll be hitting 100k in about 10 days, even if the entire country stays in quarantine.

 

[growlers]

Tell that to the workers in Las Vegas hospitals in January. Tell that the Nevada Health authority that documented how Covid-19 swept through the CES convention the first week of January. Tell that to Gavin Newsom who has California coroners reevaluating deaths all the way back to December.

And the correct term is bullschiff.

Nah.  It was a pretty average flu season in Vegas. And vegas ER volumes were average in january / february overall. 

I think it's a major stretch to say covid "swept though" CES.  There is speculation in the media, but SNHD has never said anything close to  that statement to my knowledge. There was report of flu like illnesses, but that isn't unusual for a convention with 180K people from all over the world in january.  Some people have positive antibodies that attended, but no one has proved to my knowledge that any active covid cases came directly from CES.  There was no spike of ER visits 10-14 days later and even though the vast majorities of attendees are from out of town, you would still expect an influx of employees and exposed locals in such a scenerio.  

 

[shader]

You can say this all you want but it is complete bulll ####. 

Yeah he’s talking total crap now.  Everyone should have him on ignore . His postings are as bad as plandemic.  A steady stream of disinformation for the last three months. 
 

France was ravaged.  Yet a new study shows they’ve barely scratched the surface of the population.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/12/science.abc3517.full

 

[Navin Johnson]

We should be able to handle a reopening but the attitude of so many deniers gets me nervous.  I do fear a second wave.

Childhood friend of mine in Bat Area is a tractor mechanic and takes care of his dad.  A regular customer walks into the shop with a friend and they proceed to walk into the stall to ask my friend some questions.  Neither was wearing a mask and liability issues forbid customers from being in the work area, especially the stalls.  Argument ensues, later that night he is informed via text that he is suspended indefinitely.

 

[Navin Johnson]

That is the vaguest mumbo jumbo I have ever seen.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

So this doctor, who's been on NBC TV quite a bit teaching us about COVID-19, caught it. He thinks he got from a crowded flight even he wore a mask, wiped everything down, etc.

link

"NBC contributor Dr. Joseph Fair, whose expertise has been featured on NBC Nightly News through the course of the coronavirus pandemic, is himself recovering from the virus in a New Orleans hospital.

On Twitter, Fair shared that he had taken what he calls “max precautions” but still got sick. "

Getting on a crowded flight is not "max precautions" by anybody's standard.  

 

[bcat01]

https://wkow.com/2020/05/14/crowded-bars-seen-across-wisconsin-after-safer-at-home-extension-struck-down/

This will end well.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

https://wkow.com/2020/05/14/crowded-bars-seen-across-wisconsin-after-safer-at-home-extension-struck-down/

This will end well.

Not remotely surprising.  For WI, this was all about lobbying by the tavern league.   The same tavern league that kept WI as the lone holdout on a 21 year old drinking age (until the feds threatened to withhold highway funding).

Anyway, most of my relatives in WI are quite vocal that this whole thing is a hoax.  Other than my parents, none of them are quarantined.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Childhood friend of mine in Bat Area is a tractor mechanic and takes care of his dad.  A regular customer walks into the shop with a friend and they proceed to walk into the stall to ask my friend some questions.  Neither was wearing a mask and liability issues forbid customers from being in the work area, especially the stalls.  Argument ensues, later that night he is informed via text that he is suspended indefinitely.

Yikes. Tell him to stay away from pangolins. 

 

[Battersbox]

https://wkow.com/2020/05/14/crowded-bars-seen-across-wisconsin-after-safer-at-home-extension-struck-down/

This will end well.

This again demonstrates how important knowledge about the virus is critical. The average person needs to be able to gauge the relative risks. We know a lot more now than we did even a month ago during the Wisconsin primaries. Unfortunately, the relative lack of cases resulting from the election has likely emboldened people further since the risks were highlighted so stridently by people asserting voting in person was going to kill the multitudes, and then it basically didn't happen.

But, crowding bars is a much more likely vector of transmission than standing in line (6 ft apart) waiting to vote. Now, people will think 'we had an election with hundreds of thousands and nothing bad happened even though they said it would, so this must be fine too'. 

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

This again demonstrates how important knowledge about the virus is critical. The average person needs to be able to gauge the relative risks. 

I think that's part of the problem.  The average person is incapable of gauging the relative risks.  More knowledge about the virus is unlikely to change that. 

 

[Battersbox]

I think that's part of the problem.  The average person is incapable of gauging the relative risks.  More knowledge about the virus is unlikely to change that. 

Eh, I might give the average person more credit than that. Most people across the country have changed their lives over the past 2 months, it's just the stubborn folks get a lot more attention. 

But certainly many people have a strong ability to lie to themselves or to only see what they want to see. In my opinion that's a strong reason pundits need to check themselves before making huge predictive claims, because when they're wrong these people will seize on that to justify just about anything.

 

[beer 30]

They’re desperate to keep the money rolling in. 

This is my thought on the subject. For a campus of 35,000+ students, USC nickle & dimes students for everything. All of that ancillary revenue dried up over night.

Caught up on the last 3 pages, lot of absolute statements being made by both sides in here about a virus that is still presenting in unique ways we don't understand. Gonna stay in the middle and 

 

[BassNBrew]

Not remotely surprising.  For WI, this was all about lobbying by the tavern league.   The same tavern league that kept WI as the lone holdout on a 21 year old drinking age (until the feds threatened to withhold highway funding).

Anyway, most of my relatives in WI are quite vocal that this whole thing is a hoax.  Other than my parents, none of them are quarantined.

So they have a history of being on the correct side of an issue and standing up for common sense against an overreaching gov't.  That doesn't really support that they are wrong this time.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

So they have a history of being on the correct side of an issue and standing up for common sense against an overreaching gov't.  That doesn't really support that they are wrong this time.

Agree - it was more an indicator of the power they have in WI....

 

[BassNBrew]

Agree - it was more an indicator of the power they have in WI....

Ahhh....That makes sense.  

Surprised by the ruling.  While one may not agree with the stay at home order, seems like putting these types of decisions in the hands of the legislators is foolish IMO.  Most of these guys/gals aren't very smart IMO and base their decisions on politics over data.

 

[beer 30]

Agree - it was more an indicator of the power they have in WI....

One thing a couple of trips to WI last year illustrated to me was how prevalent the local bar was in WI. It's different there than in most parts of the country. The system is intentionally set up so people have to go to a bar if you want to drink. Somebody from WI can explain it better than me but long ago the breweries there created a more European model of pubs than typical American bars. People go to hang out every night, socialize, grab a bite to eat and head home. It's more a lifestyle than just heading t the bar with your buds.

Doesn't surprise me at all the lobby pushed hard to reopen them and had the support of the populace.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Childhood friend of mine in Bat Area is a tractor mechanic and takes care of his dad.  A regular customer walks into the shop with a friend and they proceed to walk into the stall to ask my friend some questions.  Neither was wearing a mask and liability issues forbid customers from being in the work area, especially the stalls.  Argument ensues, later that night he is informed via text that he is suspended indefinitely.

If any tourist ventured into the restricted area of the Houses of Parliament in London by mistake, the security guard would politely ask, “How May I help you?”  no matter what you answered, the guard would repeat the same question until you know to go away.

 

[Possum]

Eh, I might give the average person more credit than that. Most people across the country have changed their lives over the past 2 months, it's just the stubborn folks get a lot more attention. 

But certainly many people have a strong ability to lie to themselves or to only see what they want to see. In my opinion that's a strong reason pundits need to check themselves before making huge predictive claims, because when they're wrong these people will seize on that to justify just about anything.

completely agree,

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Eh, I might give the average person more credit than that. Most people across the country have changed their lives over the past 2 months

We were told to.  It's not like average Americans reviewed the available evidence and independently all decided to wear masks and practice social distancing.  As soon as we're told it's ok to change back, most will.  See: the discussion about bars in Wisconsin to which you originally replied. 

 

[the moops]

https://wkow.com/2020/05/14/crowded-bars-seen-across-wisconsin-after-safer-at-home-extension-struck-down/

This will end well.

Not remotely surprising.  For WI, this was all about lobbying by the tavern league.   The same tavern league that kept WI as the lone holdout on a 21 year old drinking age (until the feds threatened to withhold highway funding).

Anyway, most of my relatives in WI are quite vocal that this whole thing is a hoax.  Other than my parents, none of them are quarantined.

I wish people would read this real story from Chicago before they head out to crowded places where nobody seems to be wearing masks or social distancing (hopefully they avoided hugging friends they haven't seen in a while - but I am skeptical of that)

Just to see how simple infection-chains can be, this is a real story from Chicago. The name is fake. Bob was infected but didn't know. Bob shared a takeout meal, served from common serving dishes, with 2 family members. The dinner lasted 3 hours. The next day, Bob attended a funeral, hugging family members and others in attendance to express condolences. Within 4 days, both family members who shared the meal are sick. A third family member, who hugged Bob at the funeral became sick. But Bob wasn't done. Bob attended a birthday party with 9 other people. They hugged and shared food at the 3 hour party. Seven of those people became ill. Over the next few days Bob became sick, he was hospitalized, ventilated, and died.

But Bob's legacy lived on. Three of the people Bob infected at the birthday went to church, where they sang, passed the tithing dish etc. Members of that church became sick. In all, Bob was directly responsible for infecting 16 people between the ages of 5 and 86. Three of those 16 died.

The spread of the virus within the household and back out into the community through funerals, birthdays, and church gatherings is believed to be responsible for the broader transmission of COVID-19 in Chicago.

 

[Pipes]

One thing a couple of trips to WI last year illustrated to me was how prevalent the local bar was in WI. It's different there than in most parts of the country. The system is intentionally set up so people have to go to a bar if you want to drink. Somebody from WI can explain it better than me but long ago the breweries there created a more European model of pubs than typical American bars. People go to hang out every night, socialize, grab a bite to eat and head home. It's more a lifestyle than just heading t the bar with your buds.

Doesn't surprise me at all the lobby pushed hard to reopen them and had the support of the populace.

This is exactly what happens here in WI.  And that headline is very, very misleading.  There are 1000's of bars in Wisconsin and from what I'm seeing a vast majority are still closed and Milwaukee and Madison, the 2 biggest metro areas in the state are still "locked down" until May 26th the date of Gov Evers orders. 

 

[Battersbox]

We were told to.  It's not like average Americans reviewed the available evidence and independently all decided to wear masks and practice social distancing.  As soon as we're told it's ok to change back, most will.  See: the discussion about bars in Wisconsin to which you originally replied. 

Right, I just don't personally think bar patrons in Wisconsin represent what the majority of Americans have done. I believe the majority of people can (and have) gauged relative risks.

Of course I agree that once people are told it's ok to change back, they will. Why wouldn't they? They want their lives back after all. I'm just saying that, over the prior couple of months, most people HAVE made changes.

 

[TheWinz]

Person 1 - Let's call him Bob.  He is physically fit, 30 years old, single, has no living relatives, and works in Antarctica studying emperor penguins.  You think Bob's daily routines have changed?

Person 2 - We'll call him Ray.  He is a 60 year old retired millionaire in NYC.  He lives in a 3 bedroom high rise apartment with his parents.  Ray and family used to spend their time dining at the finest restaurants and going to the opera.  Their spare bedroom is filled with all required items to SIP for a year if needed.  You think Ray's daily routines have changed?

Of course Bob & Ray are two extreme cases, and 99.99% of us are somewhere in between.  The question is, where are you on the Bob/Ray scale?  Your reaction to this virus is directly tied to your situation.  

 

[shader]

Person 1 - Let's call him Bob.  He is physically fit, 30 years old, single, has no living relatives, and works in Antarctica studying emperor penguins.  You think Bob's daily routines have changed?

Person 2 - We'll call him Ray.  He is a 60 year old retired millionaire in NYC.  He lives in a 3 bedroom high rise apartment with his parents.  Ray and family used to spend their time dining at the finest restaurants and going to the opera.  Their spare bedroom is filled with all required items to SIP for a year if needed.  You think Ray's daily routines have changed?

Of course Bob & Ray are two extreme cases, and 99.99% of us are somewhere in between.  The question is, where are you on the Bob/Ray scale?  Your reaction to this virus is directly tied to your situation.  

It shouldn't be.  That's a selfish way of looking at it.  Bob might be physically fit, but he can also infect hundreds due to his recklessness.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Right, I just don't personally think bar patrons in Wisconsin represent what the majority of Americans have done. I believe the majority of people can (and have) gauged relative risks.

Of course I agree that once people are told it's ok to change back, they will. Why wouldn't they? They want their lives back after all. I'm just saying that, over the prior couple of months, most people HAVE made changes.

At the risk of simply restating my previous post, I don't see where you're making the case that the majority of people have gauged the relative risks.  People made changes because we were told to.  And we were told to because if we hadn't been, we wouldn't have made the changes.  

Why do you think bar patrons in Wisconsin are not representative of the general population?  Everyone wants to get back to normal, they're just waiting to be allowed to.  Once restrictions are lifted, people will go back whether it's safe to or not.  

 

[jb1020]

The walk in urgent care office I go to is offering antibody test for $50.  Going in about an hour.  

 

[shader]

This is exactly what happens here in WI.  And that headline is very, very misleading.  There are 1000's of bars in Wisconsin and from what I'm seeing a vast majority are still closed and Milwaukee and Madison, the 2 biggest metro areas in the state are still "locked down" until May 26th the date of Gov Evers orders. 

Like any other state that "re-opens", the reopenings will proceed slowly.  In TN we are on day 18.  But day 18 still looks a lot different than February.  

The media loves to find one crowded place and use that as evidence of their narratives.  But you can look at statistics (opentable etc) and see that people aren't dining out at anything resembling normality.  

 

[shader]

At the risk of simply restating my previous post, I don't see where you're making the case that the majority of people have gauged the relative risks.  People made changes because we were told to.  And we were told to because if we hadn't been, we wouldn't have made the changes.  

Why do you think bar patrons in Wisconsin are not representative of the general population?  Everyone wants to get back to normal, they're just waiting to be allowed to.  Once restrictions are lifted, people will go back whether it's safe to or not.  

I'm not sure that I agree there.  Some people will go back, but many will not.

https://slate.com/business/2020/05/south-reopening-restaurants-coronavirus-opentable.html

 

[Battersbox]

At the risk of simply restating my previous post, I don't see where you're making the case that the majority of people have gauged the relative risks.  People made changes because we were told to.  And we were told to because if we hadn't been, we wouldn't have made the changes.  

Why do you think bar patrons in Wisconsin are not representative of the general population?  Everyone wants to get back to normal, they're just waiting to be allowed to.  Once restrictions are lifted, people will go back whether it's safe to or not.  

Many have authored stories proving that people were not moving around nearly as much in NYC, for example, even before the local and state governments issued SIP orders. This has been shown through app data, traffic patterns, etc. It's been shown over many parts of the country as well, often in places that have issued fewer restrictions. 

Why would that be the case if people weren't gauging relative risks on their own? 

 

[shader]

Did anyone post the serosurvey from Spain?

https://www.isciii.es/Noticias/Noticias/Paginas/Noticias/PrimerosDatosEstudioENECOVID19.aspx

It appears that about 5% of Spain was infected with Covid-19.  IFR calculated to about 1.2%.

 

[beer 30]

I'm not sure that I agree there.  Some people will go back, but many will not.

https://slate.com/business/2020/05/south-reopening-restaurants-coronavirus-opentable.html

I'd agree with this. We don't eat out a ton but enough that this has made a change in the way we approach meals. I know my wife and I won't be going to any sit down meals at a restaurant any time soon. Plenty will and more power to them if they feel comfortable doing that but we don't.

Other factors to consider, my wife has had a history of breathing issues throughout her life and I have an auto immune disease so we modify our lifestyle to adapt to the "new" and move forward. I don't feel like it's a big deal, it's just smart for us. Situations for everyone will be different.

 

[Poke_4_Life]

I'm not sure that I agree there.  Some people will go back, but many will not.

https://slate.com/business/2020/05/south-reopening-restaurants-coronavirus-opentable.html

I'm in an area where I can eat dine-in.  I am not doing it and will not for some time.  

 

[shader]

I'd agree with this. We don't eat out a ton but enough that this has made a change in the way we approach meals. I know my wife and I won't be going to any sit down meals at a restaurant any time soon. Plenty will and more power to them if they feel comfortable doing that but we don't.

Other factors to consider, my wife has had a history of breathing issues throughout her life and I have an auto immune disease so we modify our lifestyle to adapt to the "new" and move forward. I don't feel like it's a big deal, it's just smart for us. Situations for everyone will be different.

I'm thinking the market is waking up to this new reality this week. This idea that is being pushed by Trump that there is a ton of pent-up demand, and that the economy is going to roar back, is insanity.  The market, and the world will have to adjust to a new reality.  That new reality will be different.  Some restaurants and industries won't survive.  Others will thrive.