Morton Muffley
Footballguy
You believing that people were rooting against hydroxychloroquine because the President touted it must be dumber. Gotta be.
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (33 Viewers)
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Capella
Footballguy
Not too bad, they just had a freak deluge of accidental burnings. People kept walking into furnaces, really odd Instagram dare #furnacechallenge.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
They do keep charging on with their counts. Covid worldometers inches just shy of 100,000 new cases today (99,401) along with almost 5,100 deaths.
Over 50% of the new cases today are from just three countries: U.S. (26,692), Brazil (15,305), and Russia (10,598). Peru, at #4, is less than 3,900.
Almost 50% of the reported deaths today come from just the U.S. (1,595) and Brazil (824). It then drops down to 384 (U.K.).
DJackson10
Footballguy
This is a weak cop out to protect those responsible for the unemployment. To not get too much political in this Big Business, Wall Street, The CEO's who all out source jobs overseas for tax deductions and cheaper pay and the politicians who all allow this are the reason for higher unemployment as well as not advancing businesses to where many could work from home. It's an issue yes but I think this whole closing thing should open people's eyes on where the real issues of employment are in this country. There's essential jobs for the taking right now that are not necessary health care but jobs who can get money flowing to people to at least get something but many who can't even work from home won't do as they feel its beneath them, too lazy to go do something or don't feel it pays enough.Grace Under Pressure said:
My field of supermarkets are always looking for help right now. I have a regular customer who works at a Country Club Golf Coarse as a bartender who makes a ton of money and is working with us now until his place reopens. He's just happy to have a job and not sitting in the house all day
DJackson10
Footballguy
Good point on the unemployment of people's pay being more by filing then what they got when working. How many of those people will stay at their "current" job or will continue to collect unemployment when the Nation does open up and hope they can find something that pays them similar to what their unemployment is?
Penguin
Footballguy
Talked to a friend yesterday that's a bartender at a restaurant nearby. He said when they reopen there will be only one of them behind the bar instead of two, meaning reduced hours and a limit of 12 at the bar that holds around 30, so reduced tips.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
It’s tough for bartenders right now. But if we can get manufacturing, construction, hospitals, other healthcare, contractors, office staff and half of bartenders figured out, can we reduce 30 million on unemployment down to 15 million? That’s going to have to be a start.
As for the taking advantage part. Any state with fewer than 2K deaths at this point, sorry to be arbitrary, but only like 7 or 8 states have over that many fatalities, with NY and NJ leading that by far, so if you have fewer than 2K deaths by now, nearly everyone should be back to work in those states except for the riskiest of sectors. No taking advantage the economy can’t last like this.
Tennessee, which has been mentioned in here, has under 300 fatalities. The whole time. That equals 12 hours of deaths in NY when NY was at its peak.
So, with the exception of downtown Nashville let’s say, for argument’s sake, why is anyone in Tennessee on unemployment? That’s true for like 40 states. No more.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Yeah that's gonna be the other issue here. Even if Restaurant and Bars open there will be limits on how many people can be inside. That means less hours, less tips and less pay then normal as well. People want to open stuff up but don't realize there is gonna be limitations for awhile. Like it's been said those of us who can still work right now people need to hope we'd want to spend money when stuff re opens but honestly until its really determined if it's really safe and the Virus is controlled by Vaccine or other means I'm gonna be hesitant where my well deserved bread is going. I was saving up for 4 concerts this summer (3 postponed till next summer, one Undetermined) and will keep saving up for them when they are rescheduled. I was also already saving up for the new PS5 but I'm also now starting to be more conservative of how I spend money. Not buying useless stuff, not going out to places as much, not spending online items like amazon and others as much either. How many others will be like me for awhile?
matuski
Footballguy
I talk to a left wing guy, I feel like a conservative nut.
I talk to a conservative nut, I feel like a left wing nut.
Spent the last 36 hours in Victoria TX. Not a mask in sight, no social distancing going on. The OR staff not even wearing masks in the hospital. Everyone trying to shake my hand.
I was told masks trample our constitutional rights when I walked into Chili's with one on. I have my own arguments against masks, obviously, but that was
I talk to a conservative nut, I feel like a left wing nut.
Spent the last 36 hours in Victoria TX. Not a mask in sight, no social distancing going on. The OR staff not even wearing masks in the hospital. Everyone trying to shake my hand.
I was told masks trample our constitutional rights when I walked into Chili's with one on. I have my own arguments against masks, obviously, but that was
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Footballguy
At least they seem to be honest about their case count. So they've got that going for them, which is nice.
DJackson10
Footballguy
The other issue and again to not make this a political debate is fair wages. There are people already in jobs where wages don't match the fairness even full time jobs. With the rise of inflation over the years the pay does not equal it. We mentioned less money for people already. Who in their right mind who is not getting a fair wage right now will agree to a lesser wage? I just read despite taking away the $2 essential pay for workers at Amazon Jeff Bezos stock of worth went up 25%. That should not be happening at all.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
How close is New York City to reopening?
New York City has met only four of the seven health-and-safety benchmarks that the state requires regions to meet in order to begin reopening. Thus, the region of the state hardest hit by the virus is also the furthest from allowing some of its nonessential businesses to resume operations.
The state has published a dashboardcharting each region’s daily progress toward meeting its standards. Five of the 10 regions have met all seven benchmarks. Here is a quick look at where New York City stands on the state’s key questions:
Has the three-day rolling average of the total number of people in the hospital on a given day declined for 14 consecutive days? Yes.
Has the three-day rolling average of hospital deaths declined for 14 consecutive days? Yes.
Has the three-day rolling average of new hospitalizations stayed under two per 100,000 residents? No, the city’s new-hospitalization rate stands at about 2.56.
Does the region have at least 30 percent of its hospital beds available? No, the city has about 28 percent of its beds available.
Does the region have at least 30 percent of its intensive-care-unit beds available? No, the city has about 22 percent of its I.C.U. beds available.
Has the region shown, over the span of the last week, that it can conduct 30 virus tests for every 1,000 residents each month? Yes.
Does the region have the 30 contact tracers available for every 100,000 residents?: The state lists New York City’s status in this category as “Expected” and is counting it as completed.
Bolded regions are upstate & western NY
New York City has met only four of the seven health-and-safety benchmarks that the state requires regions to meet in order to begin reopening. Thus, the region of the state hardest hit by the virus is also the furthest from allowing some of its nonessential businesses to resume operations.
The state has published a dashboardcharting each region’s daily progress toward meeting its standards. Five of the 10 regions have met all seven benchmarks. Here is a quick look at where New York City stands on the state’s key questions:
Has the three-day rolling average of the total number of people in the hospital on a given day declined for 14 consecutive days? Yes.
Has the three-day rolling average of hospital deaths declined for 14 consecutive days? Yes.
Has the three-day rolling average of new hospitalizations stayed under two per 100,000 residents? No, the city’s new-hospitalization rate stands at about 2.56.
Does the region have at least 30 percent of its hospital beds available? No, the city has about 28 percent of its beds available.
Does the region have at least 30 percent of its intensive-care-unit beds available? No, the city has about 22 percent of its I.C.U. beds available.
Has the region shown, over the span of the last week, that it can conduct 30 virus tests for every 1,000 residents each month? Yes.
Does the region have the 30 contact tracers available for every 100,000 residents?: The state lists New York City’s status in this category as “Expected” and is counting it as completed.
Bolded regions are upstate & western NY
Note to self: Don't seek medical care in Victoria, TX.I talk to a left wing guy, I feel like a conservative nut.
I talk to a conservative nut, I feel like a left wing nut.
Spent the last 36 hours in Victoria TX. Not a mask in sight, no social distancing going on. The OR staff not even wearing masks in the hospital. Everyone trying to shake my hand.
I was told masks trample our constitutional rights when I walked into Chili's with one on. I have my own arguments against masks, obviously, but that was
shader
Footballguy
People in TN are on unemployment because many industries still have restrictions. The airports are dead. Tourism is gone. People aren’t flocking to sit at restaurants even if they are open. There are no movie theaters. No one wants to fly.
It’s a lot more complex than just flipping a switch and saying no more
Penguin
Footballguy
So I live on the beach in Central Jersey. Beaches will open up next Friday but with limits of 10 in a group etc, social distancing etc. Until then they are open for individuals walking and exercising. I took a break from work and walked down around 6pm tonight, there were multiple groups of 20+ people on top of each other, no masks in sight. I expect this weekend to be much worse.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Sure, but think about it from their perspective. Victoria County, TX has over 65,000 residents. They have 6 fatalities. 150 or so cases, let’s say 180. The whole time. So if you’re from Victoria, and you have 6 deaths in 8+ weeks, what would you be thinking? Like we should be taking safe precautions and getting back to work, probably.
This really has proven to be a regional situation, as many predicted in this thread. Some states have multiple regions, like NY and FL. Some states are a full region, and many states and counties have been doing very well with this. It’s almost a county by county call in some cases, as the N.Y. post above mentions. There are over 3,000 counties in the U.S. Some states have to make tough calls on a few counties. Queens, Kings, New York, Bronx, Suffolk, Nassau, Westchester, Rockland, Cooks County IL, New Orleans Parrish, Miami Dade, Wayne County MI, Bergen County, Sussex County, Passaic County NJ, LA County CA. Unless you live in one of these counties, or a handful of others, things have probably been ok there. Tale of several taking it on the chin while 30 million go on unemployment. Not good, needs to be a more focused approach. This is before even bringing up nursing homes.
matuski
Footballguy
There are probably reasonable arguments to be made in Victoria.
None of the people there seem capable of making them.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
TN has around 300K more people on unemployment now then when the shutdowns started. New claims reached their peak in TN on April 4th and have been declining pretty drastically since. But they’re still seeing 30K new claims per week, the pre-pandemic levels were around 3K per week.
Nashville does have a busy airport and tourism sector. But they need to figure out how to get 150K back to work safely and cut that unemployment number in half. 290 people died across the state in 8 weeks. It’s the awful new reality. So how do we restore 300K peoples’ livelihood in TN where they dealt with 290 deaths in 8 weeks? Construction, manufacturing, healthcare, office jobs, supermarkets, government safety jobs, half of hospitality jobs? Yes, it is time to say we’re done with this in many places. There aren’t enough benefits to go around to places that weren’t hard hit. No taking advantage.
I’m glad we shut down hard, at least where we did shut down hard. But we have to get family income back up and running now. Especially in places where it makes sense based on the data.
matuski
Footballguy
I'll defer to these guys clinically.
But why the news?
Have you seen the crap they will report... to scare or infer hope? They don't need a valid story.. just a story.
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
Are you suggesting that we can't trust the Russians now? First the Chinese now the Russians? What is the world coming to? I'm completely unmoored. Next you'll tell me that Iran isn't trustworthy!Penguin said:
PS not attacking you. Totally agree, obviously. Just having some fun with those that were shocked And disappointed to learn that perhaps China wasn't entirely truthful regarding this virus early on. As if there were actually people who thought China would shut down a city of 11 million people due to a few thousand deaths.
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
Yeah, been thinking about this. Maybe the solution to restaurants enticing workers back who are making more on unemployed and facing reduced tips due to lower capacity operations is to change the model: pay workers a living wage, increase prices, eliminate tipping. Seems that now might be the right time to make that shift if you are a restaurant owner trying to:DJackson10 said:
- Entice workers back
- Explain to your patrons a new pricing policy that makes lower capacity somewhat feasible (ie break even in the near term)
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Hey customers i am now charging more money because my workers are unhappy about coming back due to them missing out on the extra 600 bucks of unemployment they were getting in addition to the state unemployment.
Terribly sorry for the inconvenience.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
I feel faint every time I wear the face mask. Is this normal?
Btw I got the antibody test last Friday at an urgent care. It was the full blood draw. Thought I had a low chance I had this in mid- march as my sister in law tested positive and I was around her then a few days later I developed a mild fever but no other symptoms.
Anyway got the results back the next day and they were negative. I was definitely a little disappointed.
Anyway got the results back the next day and they were negative. I was definitely a little disappointed.
This is what I have been saying all along. People have had enough. People on these boards don't represent the reality of society. Most are willing to risk their lives to live their lives especially people who are very low risk. And yes people are selfish and don't care that they can spread it asymptomatic to someone at greater risk. "That's their problem".Penguin said:
There's a petition to get little league baseball started up again in NJ. Most people are ready. I saw one woman on facebook comment "you people are crazy to risk your children's lives playing baseball". I think that thought is nuts. Only a handful of children have lost their lives to CV. There's a greater chance of them dying in a car accident on the way to the game than they do of catching it and dying from it by playing a game outdoors.
jb1020
Footballguy
I’m negative. It seems crazy I didn’t have it at some point. Been batting respiratory issues like crazy since November (right after spending 3 weeks in China) and another one in February.
jwb
Footballguy
Eating out is going to change.
It's not just enticing workers back - sit down restaurants cannot survive on half capacity. If that's the only way they can operate, they are going to have to (somewhat drastically) raise prices whether they increase server pay or not.
The really good places will survive. The ones where the food isn't good enough to raise prices won't. It'll go back to like it was when I was a kid - you had the low end, take-out (Pizza, Chinese, etc), and you had high end that you went to once a year because it was considered expensive. But that "fast casual" middle ground - don't see much of a future there.
top dog
Footballguy
Barber shops opened up here yesterday. Went to the barber shop this morning to see what their protocols were. Everyone had masks on. 2 people in the chairs, less than 6 ft apart. 4 people sitting in the lobby chairs maybe 6 ft apart. The chairs are not spaced apart, but the people were sitting in chairs apart from each other. If it got busier, people would be sitting next to each other.
Barber was like, "Have a seat! We'll get to you." I told them I'd come back later. Not sure how I feel about the setup.
Barber was like, "Have a seat! We'll get to you." I told them I'd come back later. Not sure how I feel about the setup.
I doubt we'll ever have great answers on the exact numbers and timing. Antibody tests are ridiculously unreliable and will only become more so further out. That is, while the tests themselves may get better, the ability to detect date of infection will get worse as more time passes.
As for people being told "you're wrong", I don't remember that being "no one had the virus in the US in January", but more a response to 27 different posters claiming "I had a cough in January, I bet I had it." I would repeat that same answer even today. No, all 27 of you didn't have COVID back in January. In fact, it's likely that none of you did. It's likely that some people in the US had it, but unlikely that any specific person or small group of people had it. That's just math, based on 330M population.
I also suspect that we're using the word "asymptomatic" incorrectly, in at least two ways. 1) We often say that asymptomatic people test positive. While that's true, people can and do test positive before experiencing symptoms (thus, asymptomatic), many/most of those people go on to experience symptoms after testing positive. 2) I highly suspect many of the "asymptomatic" cases, especially the after-the-fact ones, actually did experience symptoms, but because the symptoms were relatively mild, they chalked it up to something else and/or forgot about the symptoms entirely. For example, I sometimes experience seasonal allergies (every f'ing year when I used to live in the city, much less so now, so hooray!). If I experienced symptoms akin to those (and ONLY those, obviously) in, say, April, it wouldn't even register with me because it's so natural.
Anyway, I'm not an expert and I don't have access to all the data that many people do, but gun to my head, if you made me answer "how many people had it in the US in or prior to January", I'd probably guess 5-10K tops.
My wife has been saying the same thing. At first I just thought it was due to the N95 being harder to breathe in, but she said the same thing with a regular mask. I think it is purely mental, some people just get anxious or something along those lines when wearing a mask. Even before the Covid stuff I would often wear a mask for long periods of time at work, and a face shield does not really impede air any significant amount where you would feel like you are not getting enough air.
jwb
Footballguy
Lots of us. I just said to my wife this morning "you know, I now realize we used to buy a lot of useless junk". It's just the two of us, and we both work, so we always had a modest disposable income, and we'd have amazon packages at our house every other day, my wife would go to Home Goods on Saturday and buy whatever silly decoration caught her eye, etc. That's ended, and neither of us miss it one bit - we spent money almost out of habit and boredom. I'm surprised at how much we've been able to save.DJackson10 said:
We're not going back to that. That said, the PS5 you're contemplating is not a bad "we're staying home more" purchase. I won't bat an eye at buying the new Xbox when it drops.
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Sand
Footballguy
Not sure how that 600 dollar extra benefit was inserted into the legislation, but again we see how markets are distorted by stuff like this.
As far as cost restaurants are pricey enough. I doubt well see people signing up to pay that much more.
jamny
Footballguy
Walking outside is one thing but it is nearly 100% mask wearing in any store I go into here in NY.
I'm heading to Boise next week and it'll be interesting to see the difference.
jwb
Footballguy
A certain percentage will if they want to go out to eat. And certain restaurants will survive to serve that market.
Unless we flip a switch and go full-on back to the way we were and pack restaurants, within the next few years, eating out at a nice sit down restaurant where you are served will be a wealthy person's activity.
Yeah I meant that. Don't need one walking outside unless it's a packed park or something.
I heard there's a black market here in nyc for barbers and nail techs. People running operations in their home or letting you into the closed shop. That being said once places open they need safety precautions in place or people wont go there so they just end up hurting themselves.
the moops
Footballguy
Because several state unemployment benefits top out at a ridiculously low amount. $235 in MS, $275 in FL, etc.
beer 30
Footballguy
Why does it disgust you? I don’t get the hyperbole.
It’s called freedom, breathe deep
I thought this was excellent and informative. Link here to listen online. If you have Cowherd's show on your podcast feed, it dropped today, 5.16.
It's Colin Cowherd being serious talking to Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong. He doesn't talk about sports at all but it's good.
From Wikipedia:
Cliff Notes:
A vaccine in a year is realistic. In years past it was a 7-10 year process. Advent of Genomics is the key now to much faster response time.
Concerned that this is a vicious virus. Almost a "genius virus" in that is difficult to fight.
Having said, that, he has great confidence they'll find a vaccine.
It's more punitive to older people and much less punitive to younger people. That's very important as it tells them how it works. It's cancerlike in some regards. That is helpful to understand.
He thinks the social distancing we've done was exactly the right thing and saved so many lives. He is close with CA governor Newsome.
Heat and sunlight definitely hurts the virus.
Talks about balancing opening economy with health.
Stresses a reassurance of hope. But not false hope.
Stresses daily testing and controlled access to work and says they are developing that in Los Angeles
Vaccine is the ultimate way to get back to real normalcy.
Government aid huge part.
Stressed provide hope and information. He owns Los Angeles Times and they've done long almost netflix style videos on this available on youtube.
Thought a vaccine to try by December was possible
He is huge fan of America. Chinese born in South Africa. He's living the American Dream. America is most generous, compassionate country in world. Uniquely qualified with resources and brainpower. We are qualified to lead the world in this.
Not concerned at all with fast tracking a vaccine. We must fast track. If any country can fast track a vaccine, it's the US.
Only way out of this is a vaccine. Period.
A little worried about partisanship. But we can get through that. This has exposed some deficiencies we have in that area. Korea and China has advantage politically to force tracing.
We have the greatest innovators in terms of science.
Confirms many hospitals are empty and there's worry about them going out of business. Thinks the answer is hospitals with Covid 19 only patients. This creates centers of excellence for Covid. Frees up other hospitals from exposure.
More contagious and more deadly than SARS. Means testing is critical. Means vaccine quickly is needed.
Jokes his friends thought he was smart until he bought Los Angeles Times and San Diego Tribune. Did not look at it as a business opportunity he said. Did it because he was so grateful for freedoms and so important to have a paper for the community. They've lost 50% of ad income with this. But pulled together to create a source of information.
NYTimes survives with 6,000,000 subscribers. Los Angeles Times is more like 600,000.
He's on text terms with Governor Newsome. On Task Force to open economy.
He said he personally would not fly on a plane today. Virologist came down with Covid recently after flying with gloves and mask
It's Colin Cowherd being serious talking to Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong. He doesn't talk about sports at all but it's good.
From Wikipedia:
He's the first 20 minutes of the show and it's excellent.
Cliff Notes:
A vaccine in a year is realistic. In years past it was a 7-10 year process. Advent of Genomics is the key now to much faster response time.
Concerned that this is a vicious virus. Almost a "genius virus" in that is difficult to fight.
Having said, that, he has great confidence they'll find a vaccine.
It's more punitive to older people and much less punitive to younger people. That's very important as it tells them how it works. It's cancerlike in some regards. That is helpful to understand.
He thinks the social distancing we've done was exactly the right thing and saved so many lives. He is close with CA governor Newsome.
Heat and sunlight definitely hurts the virus.
Talks about balancing opening economy with health.
Stresses a reassurance of hope. But not false hope.
Stresses daily testing and controlled access to work and says they are developing that in Los Angeles
Vaccine is the ultimate way to get back to real normalcy.
Government aid huge part.
Stressed provide hope and information. He owns Los Angeles Times and they've done long almost netflix style videos on this available on youtube.
Thought a vaccine to try by December was possible
He is huge fan of America. Chinese born in South Africa. He's living the American Dream. America is most generous, compassionate country in world. Uniquely qualified with resources and brainpower. We are qualified to lead the world in this.
Not concerned at all with fast tracking a vaccine. We must fast track. If any country can fast track a vaccine, it's the US.
Only way out of this is a vaccine. Period.
A little worried about partisanship. But we can get through that. This has exposed some deficiencies we have in that area. Korea and China has advantage politically to force tracing.
We have the greatest innovators in terms of science.
Confirms many hospitals are empty and there's worry about them going out of business. Thinks the answer is hospitals with Covid 19 only patients. This creates centers of excellence for Covid. Frees up other hospitals from exposure.
More contagious and more deadly than SARS. Means testing is critical. Means vaccine quickly is needed.
Jokes his friends thought he was smart until he bought Los Angeles Times and San Diego Tribune. Did not look at it as a business opportunity he said. Did it because he was so grateful for freedoms and so important to have a paper for the community. They've lost 50% of ad income with this. But pulled together to create a source of information.
NYTimes survives with 6,000,000 subscribers. Los Angeles Times is more like 600,000.
He's on text terms with Governor Newsome. On Task Force to open economy.
He said he personally would not fly on a plane today. Virologist came down with Covid recently after flying with gloves and mask
But don't you think, of all places, a hospital/OR facility should be wearing masks and not trying to shake hands during this pandemic? Set an example.Grace Under Pressure said:
I mean, even you think it's not warranted, it's still the recommended practice.
What's next...."I'm gonna use my pocket knife for this surgery....that's how we do it round here, boy."
Doug B
Footballguy
I agree with him about being reticent to fly in the near future. However, the NBC virologist he’s talking about ... didn’t he test negative for COVID a few times in a row? I’ll look for a link.
EDIT: Here’s a link—it was Dr Joseph Fair of NBC News. He had four negative tests
Dr Fair has an explanation for the negative tests and maintains he had COVID If he’s right, then what good is testing as it’s currently done?https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1206956
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shader
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Has not been my expertise but OK.
Not worried, though. He’ll stick to the guidelines regardless of public outcry. Each region and each industry have different timelines. I’m grateful we are going slow.
In early March Dr Fauci said (repeatedly) you’ll know we were successful if everyone thinks we went further than necessary.
Interesting article about the 1969 killer pandemic
https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/why-life-went-on-as-normal-during-the-killer-pandemic-of-1969/
https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/why-life-went-on-as-normal-during-the-killer-pandemic-of-1969/
To All,
As things open up around the country and you post updates of your area, please specify where you are. I know some have their location listed under their names, but many do not. It does no good to say "everyone here is wearing masks", when we don't know where here is.
As things open up around the country and you post updates of your area, please specify where you are. I know some have their location listed under their names, but many do not. It does no good to say "everyone here is wearing masks", when we don't know where here is.
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