*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (21 Viewers)

[worrierking]

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/06/09/lots-of-coronavirus-antibody-news

Derek Lowe's blog has an interesting update today on antibody trials.  This is really important stuff in my opinion.  

Short version:  They are coming up with multiple antibody treatments that might work extremely well at treating COVID-19. But, it will be difficult to manufacture in quantities that could quickly defeat this thing.  Plus, choices about which therapies to push forward with will be messy.

 

[jplvr]

Clear, concise messaging from the one organization we aren't supposed to criticize.

 

[Biff84]

Funny on CNBC:

#1 Story - Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says

#2 Story - WHO walks back comments on asymptomatic coronavirus spread, says much is still unknown

Totally, utterly dysfunctional organization.  Between this and the mask/no mask debacle I think we've seen all we need to see on how much trust we should place in them.

Utter stupidity. They did it with person-to-person spread, then masks and now asymptomatic spread. If you don’t know yet, say that or say nothing at all.

 

[-fish-]

Just got notice that our school district will not begin the fall with students in classrooms full time.   They don't exactly know what they are doing, but they have determined that normal school sessions are not viable.  

 

[Sand]

Just got notice that our school district will not begin the fall with students in classrooms full time.   They don't exactly know what they are doing, but they have determined that normal school sessions are not viable.  

Where are you?

If the answer is "deep blue sea", is Dory a teacher at your school?

 

[jobarules]

https://nypost.com/2020/06/09/covid-19-may-have-been-spreading-in-china-since-last-august-study/

 

[-fish-]

Where are you?

If the answer is "deep blue sea", is Dory a teacher at your school?

Washington State.   

Notice came out yesterday that although the district had been meeting and figuring out what the fall was going to look like, the state Office of Superintendent of Public Instruction sent notice that "opening fully and normally in the fall is, at this time, not a viable option without dramatic changes to community transmission or a vaccine."

 

[Pipes]

Just got notice that our school district will not begin the fall with students in classrooms full time.   They don't exactly know what they are doing, but they have determined that normal school sessions are not viable.  

Same here...WI Dane county.  Our district is kicking around a few ideas.  It will likely be kids broken up into group A and group B.  Group A kids will go to school Mondays and Wednesdays and Group B Tuesdays and Thursday with virtual learning filling in the gaps on the other days.  Lunches will be in classrooms and no gym class.  Not set in stone but this seems like the direction our school district is going and a couple of others in the area based on coworkers and where their kids go to school.

 

[stbugs]

I can’t do remote learning. My two boys (oldest in college and has an apartment so he’ll be “on campus” if it’s remote or not) did not like remote learning. I’m sure some schools are better at it than others but it was a fiasco here because if you already had an A, you had nothing to do. My wife and I both work from home full time, which made our transition seamless but we don’t have time to make sure they are on top of things and maybe it’s teenage boys but it sure didn’t seem like the kids really cared enough and it wasn’t organized with good online materials. I couldn’t handle a full year remote. We’d have to find an alternative.

 

[Doug B]

I can’t do remote learning. My two boys (oldest in college and has an apartment so he’ll be “on campus” if it’s remote or not) did not like remote learning. I’m sure some schools are better at it than others but it was a fiasco here because if you already had an A, you had nothing to do. My wife and I both work from home full time, which made our transition seamless but we don’t have time to make sure they are on top of things and maybe it’s teenage boys but it sure didn’t seem like the kids really cared enough and it wasn’t organized with good online materials. I couldn’t handle a full year remote. We’d have to find an alternative.

Pretty much the same issue here.

I don't know if this happened where you live ... but locally, they changed stances on what the online learning was going to mean towards the kids' grades.

At first, the online learning was strictly optional and had no effect on grades. Whatever grades the kids had as of mid-March would be their final. And the kids knew it, so most kids started acting as though summer vacation came two months early.

After five weeks -- a month before school would've ended -- the local district changed their online learning policy so that kids could earn grades via online assignments that would raise (but not lower) their final letter grade. Some of the kids that had been sloughing off really could have used those optional 'upgrade' grades but now they were kind of caught flat-footed after a month of goofing off.

 

[Dr_Zaius]

I can’t do remote learning. My two boys (oldest in college and has an apartment so he’ll be “on campus” if it’s remote or not) did not like remote learning. I’m sure some schools are better at it than others but it was a fiasco here because if you already had an A, you had nothing to do. My wife and I both work from home full time, which made our transition seamless but we don’t have time to make sure they are on top of things and maybe it’s teenage boys but it sure didn’t seem like the kids really cared enough and it wasn’t organized with good online materials. I couldn’t handle a full year remote. We’d have to find an alternative.

I concur - I had three in high school this year in a school district with a good rep, and the word "fiasco" definitely resonates.  There is absolutely no way that they learned the amount of material they would have if in person learning had still been going on.  And they're on the conscientious side and did all of the assignments.  I'd have to imagine there's a decent chunk of the population that learned pretty much nothing since mid-March.

 

[-fish-]

Pretty much the same issue here.

I don't know if this happened where you live ... but locally, they changed stances on what the online learning was going to mean towards the kids' grades.

At first, the online learning was strictly optional and had no effect on grades. Whatever grades the kids had as of mid-March would be their final. And the kids knew it, so most kids started acting as though summer vacation came two months early.

After five weeks -- a month before school would've ended -- the local district changed their online learning policy so that kids could earn grades via online assignments that would raise (but not lower) their final letter grade. Some of the kids that had been sloughing off really could have used those optional 'upgrade' grades but now they were kind of caught flat-footed after a month of goofing off.

We had the same thing, only some teachers never entered grades so the kids didn't know if they needed to raise their grades or whether they had done enough to raise them.

 

[Doug B]

Working personal speculation about COVID-19 transmission (no cites):

Could there perhaps be wide gamut of how much virus an individual sheds, regardless of symptom severity? Think of it as two separate spectrums along which all infected persons fall.
 

VIRUS SHEDDING
/no virus shed in breath, coughs, sneezes/ <<-- 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10 -->>  /virus basically leaping off the body/
 

SYMPTOM SEVERITY
/nothing at all/ <<-- 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10 -->>  /headed to ICU/

Now, IIRC, with most all viruses ... shedding tracks more or less with symptom severity (Right? Not 100% positive on that). The dude hacking his head off on the bus makes us instinctively cringe -- we can just about feel those viruses being released. There are "Typhoid Mary" types out there in the wild, we know, but we don't think much about them. If we ever do regard "Typhoid Marys" ... we think of them as weird one-in-a-zillions that don't really inform the immediate situation -- just avoid obviously sick people and don't worry about "Typhoid Marys".

But what if with COVID-19, the link between shedding and symptom severity is pretty much cleanly broken? What if even if you're a 9 or 10 in symptoms, you might still be a 1 or 2 in shedding? And what if the reverse is also possible?

Researchers struggle to make out a pattern -- in one (hypothetical) study, they find that a bunch of sick-as-**** people managed not to get exposed people in their household infected. In another study, one apparently-healthy person giving a speech at a conference somehow infects 70 people. In yet another study, a ton of homeless folks are infected without (much of) symptoms. Similar in a prison study. The more studies come in and the more data that's collected ... the less sense it all makes.

So is that what's happening? There are (relatively) plenty of COVID carriers, and they vary considerably in symptom severity. But they also vary tremendously in how much virus gets shed in their breath, coughs, and sneezes. So it short-circuits our experential defense mechanisms -- what we "know" about "sick people" fails us through no fault of our own. Could that failure arise because some portion of apparent-healthies still manage to spread the virus readily ... but maybe only 1 in 100 so that when researchers go in for a closer look, they don't really catch on? And could those same 1 in 100 odds roughly hold up also for those with severe symptoms?

 

[Pipes]

I have a senior and once he found out his grades couldn't get worse and all the financial aid was squared away for college he did next to nothing from late March to graduation.  And the only little he did was his AP exams because he had too.  I can't imagine dealing with this with younger kids...hope the schools can figure something out that works for most everyone.

 

[stbugs]

Pretty much the same issue here.

I don't know if this happened where you live ... but locally, they changed stances on what the online learning was going to mean towards the kids' grades.

At first, the online learning was strictly optional and had no effect on grades. Whatever grades the kids had as of mid-March would be their final. And the kids knew it, so most kids started acting as though summer vacation came two months early.

After five weeks -- a month before school would've ended -- the local district changed their online learning policy so that kids could earn grades via online assignments that would raise (but not lower) their final letter grade. Some of the kids that had been sloughing off really could have used those optional 'upgrade' grades but now they were kind of caught flat-footed after a month of goofing off.

It took a so long to really get started and with spring break and no sports there was no interest when they finally got it started half assed. Also, all kids heard that the only thing they could do was improve their grade meaning if you had an A you didn’t have to do anything. 

I concur - I had three in high school this year in a school district with a good rep, and the word "fiasco" definitely resonates.  There is absolutely no way that they learned the amount of material they would have if in person learning had still been going on.  And they're on the conscientious side and did all of the assignments.  I'd have to imagine there's a decent chunk of the population that learned pretty much nothing since mid-March.

Yeah, my youngest is much more conscientious that my middle son, but even he knew that in middle school his grades were done and his high school course was an A already. He actually did all the work (he’s in the program two years ahead in Math) but never used the app to scan it all in and submit it because he couldn’t do better. It was a fiasco from the start and his only course that mattered grade wise he already had an A at worst. How do you stay motivated with no real in class learning and just assignments? I was glad my middle son got two As and two Bs but he even told me he won’t do remote learning. He hated it and said in class was so much better.

I will honestly find a tutor or home school teacher for these two in the Fall. It was an utter failure. 

 

[Grahamburn]

If everything else in the county is open in the fall what is the point of closing the schools?  How much of a dent does that really make in the spread of the virus?  All it does is keep a very large part of the population out of the workforce.  

 

[Terminalxylem]

It's not political and is still a valid discussion, imo. I'll be interested to see the numbers as they are updated. Maybe they're actually too low.

Which number(s) interest you the most? Which will you believe? How will they impact your behavior moving forward?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Funny on CNBC:

#1 Story - Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says

#2 Story - WHO walks back comments on asymptomatic coronavirus spread, says much is still unknown

Totally, utterly dysfunctional organization.  Between this and the mask/no mask debacle I think we've seen all we need to see on how much trust we should place in them.

So the “why” behind this is sorta interesting but infuriating. Basically by “asymptomatic” they meant someone with no symptoms ever at all. But the caveat is that people who are “pre-symptomatic” (basically people who have very minor symptoms that don’t recognize them as symptoms but then later develop full blown symptoms) are still major transmitters. So lots of people consider themselves asymptomatic but in reality have minor symptoms and are transmitting it.

The infuriating part is that none of this minute details were explained well. Horrible messaging job on their part

 

[need2know]

If everything else in the county is open in the fall what is the point of closing the schools?  How much of a dent does that really make in the spread of the virus?  All it does is keep a very large part of the population out of the workforce.  

And it hurts all the children who don't go to school as well as all the parents that either have to stay home with them or make some kind of arrangements for them.   Schools better be open in the fall.

 

[tri-man 47]

I have a senior and once he found out his grades couldn't get worse and all the financial aid was squared away for college he did next to nothing from late March to graduation.  And the only little he did was his AP exams because he had too.  I can't imagine dealing with this with younger kids...hope the schools can figure something out that works for most everyone.

I hope he brings a better approach/attitude to college!  Students need much more of their own discipline in college.  As one struggling freshman said to me years ago, "too much freedom."  And college professors can quickly figure out who's putting in the effort and who's doing the minimum.  It starts with little things like where students sit in the classroom (I'm always suspicious of students who immediately gravitate to the back row or far side of the room).  For my advisees (I teach accounting at a smaller private university), I encourage them to sit in the middle/front of their classes; to find excuses to chat with and get to know their professors (e.g., asking a question on the way out of class); and to be engaged.  Ultimately, grades do matter to recruiters, and it can be hard to dig out of a whole.  Good luck to him!

 

[Biff84]

If everything else in the county is open in the fall what is the point of closing the schools?  How much of a dent does that really make in the spread of the virus?  All it does is keep a very large part of the population out of the workforce.  

Well there’s still a big question about how much children can contribute to spreading the virus as most are likely to be asymptomatic. If they do spread it, opening up schools is essentially a white flag that we’re just going to let it run it’s course.

Imagine trying to get kids to be compliant with masks and social distancing. If an outbreak happens a school, it will spread like crazy and we probably won’t know about it until parents start showing symptoms. By that time it will be too late. Any precautions taken by the parents in the regular life will be pointless unless they isolate from the kids.

So to put it simply, it could put a huge dent in the spread of the virus.

But there’s some hope that they may not contribute much to the spread. That would be great if true because it will come down to making a choice between keeping them closed or opening and hoping for the best. I am leaning towards opening because I think serious damage could happen to these kids, many just aren’t equipped to deal with it for much longer.

 

[matuski]

I agree.  The real numbers are definitely higher.

So we are on the same page that the hospitalization and death rate are definitely lower. 

 

[Doug B]

So the “why” behind this is sorta interesting but infuriating. Basically by “asymptomatic” they meant someone with no symptoms ever at all. But the caveat is that people who are “pre-symptomatic” (basically people who have very minor symptoms that don’t recognize them as symptoms but then later develop full blown symptoms) are still major transmitters. So lots of people consider themselves asymptomatic but in reality have minor symptoms and are transmitting it.

The infuriating part is that none of this minute details were explained well. Horrible messaging job on their part

It's gotta be hard for researchers to figure out just what "asymptomatic" really is, too.

I mean, the cold-and-flu symptoms are one thing. But if someone has the runs for two days and nothing else ... are they thinking to themselves "Man, what did I eat?" or "Gotta go get tested for the 'rona!"? Does having a fever for 12 hours count as "asymptomatic"? Or being crushingly tired over a weekend, but getting over it on Monday?

 

[Judge Smails]

Same here...WI Dane county.  Our district is kicking around a few ideas.  It will likely be kids broken up into group A and group B.  Group A kids will go to school Mondays and Wednesdays and Group B Tuesdays and Thursday with virtual learning filling in the gaps on the other days.  Lunches will be in classrooms and no gym class.  Not set in stone but this seems like the direction our school district is going and a couple of others in the area based on coworkers and where their kids go to school.

My daughter is a kindergarten teacher in So Cal and this is exactly what they are planning. A ton more work for teachers. 

 

[Pipes]

I hope he brings a better approach/attitude to college!  Students need much more of their own discipline in college.  As one struggling freshman said to me years ago, "too much freedom."  And college professors can quickly figure out who's putting in the effort and who's doing the minimum.  It starts with little things like where students sit in the classroom (I'm always suspicious of students who immediately gravitate to the back row or far side of the room).  For my advisees (I teach accounting at a smaller private university), I encourage them to sit in the middle/front of their classes; to find excuses to chat with and get to know their professors (e.g., asking a question on the way out of class); and to be engaged.  Ultimately, grades do matter to recruiters, and it can be hard to dig out of a whole.  Good luck to him!

I appreciate the kind words but I believe he will.  He graduated with a legit 3.90 GPA in mostly AP courses. He only got lazy once he found out his grades were locked and I also believe he was a bit depressed losing his senior season of lacrosse. Great advice thanks.

 

[tri-man 47]

I appreciate the kind words but I believe he will.  He graduated with a legit 3.90 GPA in mostly AP courses. He only got lazy once he found out his grades were locked and I also believe he was a bit depressed losing his senior season of lacrosse. Great advice thanks.

Sounds like he's on top of things.  Good for him!  Will he play lacrosse in college, and if so, what level?

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

So we are on the same page that the hospitalization and death rate are definitely lower. 

Agree that hospitalizations and deaths are still the key metrics. Once enough testing is happening, like 50,000 per day in NY state, then the % testing positive becomes a meaningful statistic.

NYC was testing between 1%-2% positive yesterday. Long Island and Westchester are closer to 1%. 

Basically if the hospitalizations are extremely manageable, and the % testing positive is 1% let's say, then you can really start isolating the positives and tell them to tell everyone they came into contact with. Cooperate with tracers.

This, plus treatments, plus a vaccine eventually, is how it's done as a society. Individuals can wear masks, wash hands frequently, stay apart from people, and do essential things outside only for a bit. Don't transmit the virus or get it transmitted to you, simply enough. It's just a virus at the end of the day, just one that happens to hospitalize and kill people.

"Don't come into contact with germs you nasty people, didn't your Mom ever teach you anything?"

 

[Pipes]

Sounds like he's on top of things.  Good for him!  Will he play lacrosse in college, and if so, what level?

Nope just school.  He's going to Drake and to keep it covid related their plan for the fall is report to the dorms on the weekend of Aug 15th.  They will be on campus for a week then online classes for the 1st week of school starting the 24th.  The week after that begins the actual classroom classes until Thanksgiving break followed by a week or so of online classes/finals.  He won't be back on campus until the winter term starts sometime in Jan.  Not sure what other colleges are doing but this is one example of the fall plan. 

 

[shader]

I for one don't believe the numbers that are being reported.  Folks are being ruled as coronavirus death when they die from other causes regularly.  

Of course you don’t 

 

[GroveDiesel]

It's gotta be hard for researchers to figure out just what "asymptomatic" really is, too.

I mean, the cold-and-flu symptoms are one thing. But if someone has the runs for two days and nothing else ... are they thinking to themselves "Man, what did I eat?" or "Gotta go get tested for the 'rona!"? Does having a fever for 12 hours count as "asymptomatic"? Or being crushingly tired over a weekend, but getting over it on Monday?

Totally agree. I have allergies so I sneeze and have an occasional cough. If I got COVID-19 and developed a cough without a fever, I would never know that I had it unless symptoms worsened.

My biggest concern is that their messaging is terrible. The headline that came out of that isn’t what they were really saying, but they did such a poor job relaying their findings that they totally botched it. Communicating science can be difficult, but it’s incredibly important to do it correctly. There’s no excuse for not having someone that can properly communicate that type of information if you are an organization like WHO. I work in the consulting industry and often the biggest difference between an ok consultant and a great consultant is simply being able to communicate effectively with a client.

 

[stbugs]

I appreciate the kind words but I believe he will.  He graduated with a legit 3.90 GPA in mostly AP courses. He only got lazy once he found out his grades were locked and I also believe he was a bit depressed losing his senior season of lacrosse. Great advice thanks.

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. A bit of a stretch to say all these kids are the kids that won't try hard later on in life based on a pretty unexpected situation. High schools and middle schools weren't setup for online classes and as you said, my son also lost his lacrosse season. He's a freshman, but sports and social life are big and it's hard to "be in school" when you have nothing but emailed assignments and online sessions here and there. As I mentioned above, my son told me that he doesn't want to do online ever again. He likes the structure and classroom setting.

 

[shader]

77 deaths in Georgia today. If they are hiding cases (as some from there have speculated), it’s gonna be harder to hide the deaths.

 

[Don't Noonan]

77 deaths in Georgia today. If they are hiding cases (as some from there have speculated), it’s gonna be harder to hide the deaths.

Would you guess over 50 of these were both over 70 with underlying conditions?

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Would you guess over 50 of these were both over 70 with underlying conditions?

Horse in 8 minutes 

 

[gobrowns33]

My daughter is a kindergarten teacher in So Cal and this is exactly what they are planning. A ton more work for teachers. 

This is going to be difficult for many families...I can't work from home and my wife is a teacher...soo, with three kids, we would have to find child care every other day or potential every day, depending which kids have school which day.  Sounds like a nightmare!  Luckily we are in middle GA and I think they will roll with full up normal school.

 

[gobrowns33]

77 deaths in Georgia today. If they are hiding cases (as some from there have speculated), it’s gonna be harder to hide the deaths.

Actually worldometers reports on all deaths that were reported that day, even if the death occurred a day, or two, or three days ago.  So not accurate for GA - as we haven't had more than 25 deaths in a day for over two weeks.  So a death reported today, that happened on June 7th, would be added to the June 7th total...not todays.  Below is where the accurate data for GA can be found - we have yet to have 77 deaths in a single day period.

https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report

And I am sure your retort is going to be that the GA Health Department is lying or wrong....

 

[JShare87]

This is going to be difficult for many families...I can't work from home and my wife is a teacher...soo, with three kids, we would have to find child care every other day or potential every day, depending which kids have school which day.  Sounds like a nightmare!  Luckily we are in middle GA and I think they will roll with full up normal school.

Good point. I think trying to have split schedules is useless. Whether it’s 800 kids a day or 1,600 a day, kids will not be able to properly social distance. I feel like school districts are just doing something to say they’re doing something. Either go fully virtual or fully back. Anything in between is way too complicated on families, kids, and school districts. It also won’t do much to stop the spread. Just my 2 cents. 

 

[shader]

Actually worldometers reports on all deaths that were reported that day, even if the death occurred a day, or two, or three days ago.  So not accurate for GA - as we haven't had more than 25 deaths in a day for over two weeks.  So a death reported today, that happened on June 7th, would be added to the June 7th total...not todays.  Below is where the accurate data for GA can be found - we have yet to have 77 deaths in a single day period.

https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report

And I am sure your retort is going to be that the GA Health Department is lying or wrong....

Yes obviously 77 people didn’t all die yesterday.  Every county reports things differently, at different times, but they still reported 77 deaths today.  That’s a significant jump.  But my wording was unclear, so I can see how I caused confusion.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wjcl.com/amp/article/coronavirus-in-georgia-more-than-100-patients-hospitalized-nearly-80-dead-in-24-hours/32816641
 

https://twitter.com/georgiacorona/status/1270546249238884353?s=21
 

 

[shader]

Would you guess over 50 of these were both over 70 with underlying conditions?

And your point?

 

[beer 30]

Agreed. Only problem is there’s absolutely no chance they are shutting down AZ. Governor won’t do it and even if he did, no one will follow it.

No one is shutting anything down again. Even if it’s warranted no one is going to adhere to it short of Marshall Law being put in place.

Totally, utterly dysfunctional organization.  Between this and the mask/no mask debacle I think we've seen all we need to see on how much trust we should place in them.

@shader to the white courtesy phone please...

(yes I’m trolling, sorry)

 

[eoMMan]

I hope he brings a better approach/attitude to college!  Students need much more of their own discipline in college.  As one struggling freshman said to me years ago, "too much freedom."  And college professors can quickly figure out who's putting in the effort and who's doing the minimum.  It starts with little things like where students sit in the classroom (I'm always suspicious of students who immediately gravitate to the back row or far side of the room).  For my advisees (I teach accounting at a smaller private university), I encourage them to sit in the middle/front of their classes; to find excuses to chat with and get to know their professors (e.g., asking a question on the way out of class); and to be engaged.  Ultimately, grades do matter to recruiters, and it can be hard to dig out of a whole.  Good luck to him!

I remember going to battle with one college professor awhile back about not turning in my final paper.  I forget how much exactly the final paper counted towards my grade for the class but I did the math and calculated that I would still receive a C if I didn't turn it in (note that no where did it say the final paper was required to pass the class).  Long story short, he gave me an incomplete...I had to go to someone else in the department to plead my case, yada yada...I passed.

(Yes, it would have been much easier to just turn in a crappy paper.)

 

[The Commish]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-arizona/arizona-calls-for-emergency-plan-as-covid-19-spikes-after-reopening-idUSKBN23H03K

 

[TheWinz]

Good point. I think trying to have split schedules is useless. Whether it’s 800 kids a day or 1,600 a day, kids will not be able to properly social distance. I feel like school districts are just doing something to say they’re doing something. Either go fully virtual or fully back. Anything in between is way too complicated on families, kids, and school districts. It also won’t do much to stop the spread. Just my 2 cents. 

Yup.  Schools need to fully open.  None of this virtual crap.  If kids start dying at an alarming rate, close them down.  If the old fogies continue to die, it won't be because kids went to school.  It will be because those fogies didn't do their part to social distance from the young crowd.  Don't place the burden on the kids - place it on the at-risk crowd.

And no, I have no school aged kids, and I am an at-risk fogie.

 

[tri-man 47]

I remember going to battle with one college professor awhile back about not turning in my final paper.  I forget how much exactly the final paper counted towards my grade for the class but I did the math and calculated that I would still receive a C if I didn't turn it in (note that no where did it say the final paper was required to pass the class).  Long story short, he gave me an incomplete...I had to go to someone else in the department to plead my case, yada yada...I passed.

(Yes, it would have been much easier to just turn in a crappy paper.)

I've often given what another professor likes to call a "gentleman's C-" ...someone who didn't quite perform well enough to actually pass the course, but who had shown enough effort (or struggled through extenuating circumstances) that it was best to give them a passing grade and let them move on. 

And @Pipes, my daughter graduated from Drake several years ago!  I really like the school, the area, and the town.

 

[Grahamburn]

And your point?

You need to start your search for the Holy Grail. 

 

[belljr]

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. A bit of a stretch to say all these kids are the kids that won't try hard later on in life based on a pretty unexpected situation. High schools and middle schools weren't setup for online classes and as you said, my son also lost his lacrosse season. He's a freshman, but sports and social life are big and it's hard to "be in school" when you have nothing but emailed assignments and online sessions here and there. As I mentioned above, my son told me that he doesn't want to do online ever again. He likes the structure and classroom setting.

My daughter loves the online learning. She is upset she missed freshman softball though

 

[The Commish]

My daughter loves the online learning. She is upset she missed freshman softball though

Yeah, our kids liked it too.  They do miss their friends, but that's changing now that sports are opened back up here.  I'm not sure if I could handle them home all the time  but if that's the right thing to do, I will put them first and do it.

 

[TheWinz]

Yeah, our kids liked it too.  They do miss their friends, but that's changing now that sports are opened back up here.  I'm not sure if I could handle them home all the time  but if that's the right thing to do, I will put them first and do it.

Not to sound too rude, but is it really putting children first when we are keeping them from attending school?  Seems like that is putting older people first.

 

[The Commish]

Not to sound too rude, but is it really putting children first when we are keeping them from attending school?  Seems like that is putting older people first.

My kids going to school has nothing to do with old people

Their grandparents are thousands of miles away and me/my wife are in our 40s.  For us, it's about the kids.  As I said, if it's the right thing to do, I'll put them first and do it even though I don't want to.  That's sort of how I roll as a parent.  That said, there's not a chance the state of Florida is going to be online.  Most everything here remained open in some fashion outside the parks, nail/hair places, gyms and small businesses

 

[TheWinz]

My kids going to school has nothing to do with old people

Their grandparents are thousands of miles away and me/my wife are in our 40s.  For us, it's about the kids.  As I said, if it's the right thing to do, I'll put them first and do it even though I don't want to.  That's sort of how I roll as a parent.  That said, there's not a chance the state of Florida is going to be online.  Most everything here remained open in some fashion outside the parks, nail/hair places, gyms and small businesses

I disagree.  Kids going to school has everything to do with old people.  If old people were dying at the rate of school aged kids, this thread wouldn't exist, and nothing would've shut down.  Most wouldn't even know the name COVID.