***OFFICIAL Cowboys 2005 draft Warroom*** (1 Viewer)

[jcool]

If any of these are on the board at #11 or #20 grab him. I would entertain either pick for a first next year and a 2nd or 3rd this year.My top five:1. M. Williams 2. D. Johnson 3. S. Merriman4. M. Spears5. D. Ware

 

[Ack88]

I hope they keep pick #11 and take a pass rusher like Merriman or Ware. If the right offer is on the table, trade #20 for a #1 next year and a mid-second round pick. Most pundits believe this draft is very strong from picks #25- #50, so adding a selection here makes a lot of sense. I think they pick Merriman at #11 and trade #20. I'm hoping to come out of day #1 with a rush end and either a safety or wide receiver, depending on how the board plays out and maximizes our pick value.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

Don't the Cowboys have like 10 dollars for their salary cap. I would think they would want to move one of the first rd picks for a first rder the next year.

 

[pgreenfan]

Don't the Cowboys have like 10 dollars for their salary cap. I would think they would want to move one of the first rd picks for a first rder the next year.

I could be wrong but I am pretty sure the Cowboys are in good shape as far as the cap goes. They had no problem spending a nice chunk of change on Anthony Henry to help out at CB in free agency.

 

[Ridgelake]

They have around 6-7 million in cap space left. Rivera, Henry, and Bledsoe took them down from about 20 million.

 

[Prime]

I hope they keep pick #11 and take a pass rusher like Merriman or Ware. If the right offer is on the table, trade #20 for a #1 next year and a mid-second round pick. Most pundits believe this draft is very strong from picks #25- #50, so adding a selection here makes a lot of sense.

I think they pick Merriman at #11 and trade #20. I'm hoping to come out of day #1 with a rush end and either a safety or wide receiver, depending on how the board plays out and maximizes our pick value.

I want Merrriman & Mark Clayton.I'd be happy with that.

 

[Futility]

I hope they keep pick #11 and take a pass rusher like Merriman or Ware. If the right offer is on the table, trade #20 for a #1 next year and a mid-second round pick. Most pundits believe this draft is very strong from picks #25- #50, so adding a selection here makes a lot of sense.

    I think they pick Merriman at #11 and trade #20. I'm hoping to come out of day #1 with a rush end and either a safety or wide receiver, depending on how the board plays out and maximizes our pick value.

I want Merrriman & Mark Clayton.I'd be happy with that.

I'd be ecstatic with that. I haven't watched game tape of Merriman, Ware, Spears, etc so I'll be fine with whatever front-7 player we take. I'm REALLY hoping that Clayton falls to us though.

 

[BigTex]

The plan for the Boyz is to go strictly defense on day one with Merriman as their first target. They'd like to move out of the #20 to get more picks. And look for a surprise pick in round four..............JJ Express' backup and everybody's whipping boy.

 

[pgreenfan]

I am hoping for at 111. DJ2. Marcus Spears3. Merriman4. Alex BarronI am hoping for at 201. DeMarcus Ware2. Mark Clayton3. Trade down to the second and get another first next year.4. Jamaal Brown

 

[Futility]

The plan for the Boyz is to go strictly defense on day one with Merriman as their first target. They'd like to move out of the #20 to get more picks. And look for a surprise pick in round four..............JJ Express' backup and everybody's whipping boy. 

I wouldn't be upset with a trade down because there's a lot of 2nd/3rd round talent in the draft... but I will be sad if we trade down instead of taking Clayton or Brown.

 

[Ack88]

From what I have heard, we are almost certainly going to pick at #11. I've also heard rumblings that a team looking to select the 3rd QB, be it Frye or Campbell, may look to the 20th overall spot. If we could make a trade with Green Bay, drop a few spots, and still get a player Parcells has on his short list, we could be in great shape.

 

[BigTex]

I've also heard rumblings that a team looking to select the 3rd QB, be it Frye or Campbell, may look to the 20th overall spot.

Hell will freeze over before they select a QB at the 20th spot. Unless someone slide in the draft it will be the replacement for Woody.

 

[Ack88]

The Cowboys won't select a QB. That seems to be a spot that a team looking to aquire a QB might jump into, making a trade a possible alternative.

 

[pgreenfan]

I've also heard rumblings that a team looking to select the 3rd QB, be it Frye or Campbell, may look to the 20th overall spot.

Hell will freeze over before they select a QB at the 20th spot. Unless someone slide in the draft it will be the replacement for Woody.

If the Cowboys take a replacement for Woodson at the 20th spot it is going to be a reach IMHO. I think they should wait until the 2nd round to look at safety.

 

[BigTex]

If the Cowboys take a replacement for Woodson at the 20th spot it is going to be a reach IMHO. I think they should wait until the 2nd round to look at safety.

This is exactly why they want to move out of that spot. Unless Spears or Cody is there they may have no choice. They perfer to get Woody's replacement with their third pick.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

$10, last in the league.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Dallas needs to take Mark Clayton at #20. The kid is incredible.

 

[culdeus]

Dallas needs to take Mark Clayton at #20. The kid is incredible.

Too small to play in the NFL. Flames out in 2-3 years. Last thing we need is another undersized WR with questionable speed.

I'm hoping for D-D-D or D-O-D-D with a trade down of #20.

Hunter has requested a trade after being asked to switch to Saftey. He considers himself a CB .

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I hope they keep pick #11 and take a pass rusher like Merriman or Ware. If the right offer is on the table, trade #20 for a #1 next year and a mid-second round pick. Most pundits believe this draft is very strong from picks #25- #50, so adding a selection here makes a lot of sense.

    I think they pick Merriman at #11 and trade #20. I'm hoping to come out of day #1 with a rush end and either a safety or wide receiver, depending on how the board plays out and maximizes our pick value.

I want Merrriman & Mark Clayton.I'd be happy with that.

I like both of those, although I'd like to get a DB 1st round too.

 

[Blaze]

I know alot of people are on the Merriman wagon, but I would really like Pollack & Clayton, although its probably wishful thinking, considering the #20 is probably going to be traded.

 

[Futility]

Dallas needs to take Mark Clayton at #20.  The kid is incredible.

Too small to play in the NFL. Flames out in 2-3 years. Last thing we need is another undersized WR with questionable speed.

I'm hoping for D-D-D or D-O-D-D with a trade down of #20.

Hunter has requested a trade after being asked to switch to Saftey. He considers himself a CB .

Parcells should trade him for a PB&J between #11 and #20. But who can we trade for a glass of milk?

 

[Bri]

I've also heard rumblings that a team looking to select the 3rd QB, be it Frye or Campbell, may look to the 20th overall spot.

Hell will freeze over before they select a QB at the 20th spot. Unless someone slide in the draft it will be the replacement for Woody.

If the Cowboys take a replacement for Woodson at the 20th spot it is going to be a reach IMHO. I think they should wait until the 2nd round to look at safety.

I think you misunderstood the original post."a team" not the Cowboys. He's talking about them trading down

 

[BigTex]

I think you misunderstood the original post."a team" not the Cowboys. He's talking about them trading down

Gotcha! My apologies

 

[Bri]

It's probably an understood draft rule that if a talented OL falls to you, you take him. That said, I think the Boys draft predominantly defensive players.Parcells was unhappy with CB play and size on D(getting pushed around) more than anything else IMO. Esp the size on D.I would also not be surprised if they entertain an offer for some of the present defensive players.Parcells was so livid after one game when the Boys got pushed around I feel like I could picture him vowing to never let that happen again. His teams are always the one's pushing not getting pushed around. Like Shanny getting schooled offensively by another team or Reid's Eagles(as if) allowing a ton of sacks one game. Ya just know that'd infuriate either of them and they'd take it personally.Meshawn can block. Quincy will be better with some time in camp. She barely played last year. That and the fact that Parcells has rarely coached a 1000 yard WR in his entire career and I highly doubt they go WR. Parcells seems to want WRs that block well, stay inbounds when they catch it, and don't drop the ball. He almost minimizes any other quality you'd want in a WR. Look at his past teams, WR is not a position where you'd say they were particularly strong. Best WR unit was probably when they had walkon Chrebet.Also, Glenn is a player he wouldn't have drafted and he wasn't part of the Jets when they drafted Meshawn.

 

[BigTex]

It's probably an understood draft rule that if a talented OL falls to you, you take him. That said, I think the Boys draft predominantly defensive players.Parcells was unhappy with CB play and size on D(getting pushed around) more than anything else IMO. Esp the size on D.I would also not be surprised if they entertain an offer for some of the present defensive players.Parcells was so livid after one game when the Boys got pushed around I feel like I could picture him vowing to never let that happen again. His teams are always the one's pushing not getting pushed around. Like Shanny getting schooled offensively by another team or Reid's Eagles(as if) allowing a ton of sacks one game. Ya just know that'd infuriate either of them and they'd take it personally.Meshawn can block. Quincy will be better with some time in camp. She barely played last year. That and the fact that Parcells has rarely coached a 1000 yard WR in his entire career and I highly doubt they go WR. Parcells seems to want WRs that block well, stay inbounds when they catch it, and don't drop the ball. He almost minimizes any other quality you'd want in a WR. Look at his past teams, WR is not a position where you'd say they were particularly strong. Best WR unit was probably when they had walkon Chrebet.Also, Glenn is a player he wouldn't have drafted and he wasn't part of the Jets when they drafted Meshawn.

They'll go WR later in the draft.

 

[Bri]

Cowboys have had some real quality at WR in their franchise's history. Players the fans really adored. Because of this, I think it's hard for Cowboy fans to understand Parcells lack of interest in a stud WR.My brother loves the Cowboys. I like to say to him "You know Amani, Ike and the current Giant WRs but name a great Giant WR. Cmon the Giants have been a football franchise for "forever" name a WR." Sometimes that does the trick.Parcells has changed plenty since his Giant days but the basics of those teams are still the same in all his teams IMO. Shanny runs 49er plays, Reeves ran some of Landry's plays with the Giants and Falcons, Gruden runs Raider plays in Tampa..... coaches progress they don't necessarily ignore what they learned in the past.

 

[BigTex]

Cowboys have had some real quality at WR in their franchise's history. Players the fans really adored. Because of this, I think it's hard for Cowboy fans to understand Parcells lack of interest in a stud WR.My brother loves the Cowboys. I like to say to him "You know Amani, Ike and the current Giant WRs but name a great Giant WR. Cmon the Giants have been a football franchise for "forever" name a WR." Sometimes that does the trick.Parcells has changed plenty since his Giant days but the basics of those teams are still the same in all his teams IMO. Shanny runs 49er plays, Reeves ran some of Landry's plays with the Giants and Falcons, Gruden runs Raider plays in Tampa..... coaches progress they don't necessarily ignore what they learned in the past.

You make a great point. The reason I believe they'll draft a WR in the later rounds is because the Glen, Key, Morgan are get up there in age. With this draft shaking the way it is, they'll take a WR at some point, I sure of it.

 

[culdeus]

Cowboys have had some real quality at WR in their franchise's history. Players the fans really adored. Because of this, I think it's hard for Cowboy fans to understand Parcells lack of interest in a stud WR.

My brother loves the Cowboys. I like to say to him "You know Amani, Ike and the current Giant WRs but name a great Giant WR. Cmon the Giants have been a football franchise for "forever" name a WR." Sometimes that does the trick.

Parcells has changed plenty since his Giant days but the basics of those teams are still the same in all his teams IMO. Shanny runs 49er plays, Reeves ran some of Landry's plays with the Giants and Falcons, Gruden runs Raider plays in Tampa..... coaches progress they don't necessarily ignore what they learned in the past.

And how many in the HOF?

 

[Ridgelake]

"Bullet" Bob Hayes should be in the HoF. Michael Irvin will be and should have been elected this past year. Some guys like Drew Pearson and Alvin Harper come to mind as very good to great WRs and definitely marketable.That said, my dream list for this year would be Merriman at 11, Ware at 20, and Brodney Pool at 42. Granted, all those guys probabably won't be available at those picks. But I did say dream.....I can only imagine the fun that Bill and Mike would have dreaming up schemes with versatile parts like Roy, Merriman, Ware, Dat, LeRoi, etc. It would be a lot of fun to watch.

 

[culdeus]

Ok, just thinking out loud here. What value will be on the board at 20? Looks like WR pops up there in abudance and Baltimore 2 picks back will be thinking WR. A team that might line up well to jump forward to get a WR might be SDG not wanting to sign too many top 100 picks might give up a combo of later picks to jump up.This is based on pure speculation and what I percieve as needs of other teams vis-a-vis their draft slots. I don't think I've read anywhere of people declaring a definate desire to move up to that spot.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Too small? Marvin Harrison is 15lbs lighter and 1.5" taller. Deion Branch is the same weight, but 1.5" shorter. You're telling me he's too small? How many DBs did you see him clown in college? The kid can play. He'd be awesome for Dallas not only because of his skillset, but because he's a local guy.

Too small to play in the NFL. Flames out in 2-3 years. Last thing we need is another undersized WR with questionable speed.

I'm hoping for D-D-D or D-O-D-D with a trade down of #20.

Hunter has requested a trade after being asked to switch to Saftey. He considers himself a CB .

 

[cstu]

Too small? Marvin Harrison is 15lbs lighter and 1.5" taller. Deion Branch is the same weight, but 1.5" shorter. You're telling me he's too small? How many DBs did you see him clown in college? The kid can play. He'd be awesome for Dallas not only because of his skillset, but because he's a local guy.

Too small to play in the NFL.  Flames out in 2-3 years.  Last thing we need is another undersized WR with questionable speed.

I'm hoping for D-D-D or D-O-D-D with a trade down of #20.

Hunter has requested a trade after being asked to switch to Saftey.  He considers himself a CB  .

Yes, he can play. Talk about him being out of the league in 3 years is silly, but don't expect him to big play type of guy in the NFL like he was in college. He's my pick to have the best rookie season like Michael Clayton last year.

 

[culdeus]

Too small? Marvin Harrison is 15lbs lighter and 1.5" taller. Deion Branch is the same weight, but 1.5" shorter. You're telling me he's too small? How many DBs did you see him clown in college? The kid can play. He'd be awesome for Dallas not only because of his skillset, but because he's a local guy.

Too small to play in the NFL. Flames out in 2-3 years. Last thing we need is another undersized WR with questionable speed.

I'm hoping for D-D-D or D-O-D-D with a trade down of #20.

Hunter has requested a trade after being asked to switch to Saftey. He considers himself a CB .

Yes, he can play. Talk about him being out of the league in 3 years is silly, but don't expect him to big play type of guy in the NFL like he was in college. He's my pick to have the best rookie season like Michael Clayton last year.

Maybe so, but I follow the XII as much as anything and Clayton lost a atep over his Jr. Year the guy couldn't get either 10TDs or 1000yds last year in a wide open system. I don't care if he drew extra coverage or what. CNNSI makes another good point, he shrinks in the bowl games. Regardless Parcells doesn't want to draft people that can get pushed around anywhere if possible. This however is all moot, no way they hang on to take this bum the pick will float on to some other team.

 

[simmonjm]

1.Mike Williams2.Demarcus Ware3.Marcus Spears4.Shawn Merriman5.Erasmus JamesIm hoping that Mike Williams slips in the draft. Stranger things have happened My dream draft would be Dallas picking up BMW then Demarcus Ware.Realistically I see the Cowboys taking Demarcus Ware at #11. If Spears is on the board at #20 I see the Cowboys scooping him up. If Spears is off the board look for the Cowboys to trade out of the first round for extra picks in the second and third. Then picking up Tuck in the second.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

Again I have to ask how are the Cowboys going to sign all their picks, including 2 first rounders? They have 10 dollars of cap room. How many people will need to be cut to get that cap room? The Cowboys are trading out of one of those #1 spots for sure.**disclaimer I could be way off, this is just how I see it on the surface. Someone more knowledgable could enlighten me.

 

[simmonjm]

I keep hearing that Parcells has Ware rated higher than MerrimanThis was told by Norm on a Dallas radio station. I dont have a link but word is if both Merriman and Ware on the board at #11 Ware will be the pick.

 

[Ack88]

I'd love to get both, but that is unlikely. I still think we will trade out of #20, probably with a team looking to get the third QB.

 

[culdeus]

Again I have to ask how are the Cowboys going to sign all their picks, including 2 first rounders? They have 10 dollars of cap room. How many people will need to be cut to get that cap room? The Cowboys are trading out of one of those #1 spots for sure.

**disclaimer I could be way off, this is just how I see it on the surface. Someone more knowledgable could enlighten me.

Only the top 5 picks get paid anything cap heavy. Most of the other draft contracts are cap friendly. That and there is plenty of coin left to sign players.

 

[BigTex]

Cowboys #11: Ware/Merriman#20: Spears#42: Pollack/S. CodyThe trade for the Saints' Darren Howard will change this of course. (Don’t be surprised if this happens) Yep they are talking again! Ssshhhh!!!! Keep it quite!Bill Swancutt is on their short listAt safety the Boys are looking at Pool, Bullocks , Considine, but they really, really want Thomas Davis Maurice Clarrett in the 4th (Everybody’s whipping boy) I personally believe they will draft him in the 5th or 6th Mix in a WR in their somewhere (Roddy White or . I’m too tired to remember anything right now……goodnight!

 

[Tyrion]

Again I have to ask how are the Cowboys going to sign all their picks, including 2 first rounders? They have 10 dollars of cap room. How many people will need to be cut to get that cap room? The Cowboys are trading out of one of those #1 spots for sure.

**disclaimer I could be way off, this is just how I see it on the surface. Someone more knowledgable could enlighten me.

I think your source is mistaken. The Cowboys, according to ESPN's John Clayton, had $9.73 million as of April 1, 2005 and they have not done much since then to change that. They are fine salary wise. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...john&id=2004973

 

[culdeus]

The trade for the Saints' Darren Howard will change this of course. (Don’t be surprised if this happens) Yep they are talking again! Ssshhhh!!!! Keep it quite!

Says who?

 

[Schadenfreude]

Maybe so, but I follow the XII as much as anything and Clayton lost a atep over his Jr. Year the guy couldn't get either 10TDs or 1000yds last year in a wide open system. I don't care if he drew extra coverage or what. CNNSI makes another good point, he shrinks in the bowl games.

Regardless Parcells doesn't want to draft people that can get pushed around anywhere if possible. This however is all moot, no way they hang on to take this bum the pick will float on to some other team.

You must be a UT or A&M fan.

 

[Schadenfreude]

If the Cowboys take Mike Williams, I'll shoot myself. They already have Keyshawn Johnson. The Cowboys need lots of speed, a little size, and the ability to make big plays.

 

[Bankerguy]

Cowboys

#11: Ware/Merriman

#20: Spears

#42: Pollack/S. Cody

The trade for the Saints' Darren Howard will change this of course. (Don’t be surprised if this happens) Yep they are talking again! Ssshhhh!!!! Keep it quite!

Bill Swancutt is on their short list

At safety the Boys are looking at Pool, Bullocks , Considine, but they really, really want Thomas Davis

Maurice Clarrett in the 4th

(Everybody’s whipping boy) I personally believe they will draft him in the 5th or 6th

Mix in a WR in their somewhere (Roddy White or . I’m too tired to remember anything right now……goodnight!



Hey Tex,

Do you post over at the zone..if so what is your handle.

 

[CowboyFan]

Any chance of Carlos Rogers falling to the 20 pick? Heck, I think he'd be a great pick at 11. I can't figure out why he is rated below Rolle & Pacman. He is much faster than Rolle, taller than Pacman, and has a a better vertical than both.I know we need a pass rush, but I'm sick of watching our corners getting burned game after game.

 

[jcool]

Merriman to the Boys @ #11 if he's there is what I heard on Dallascowboys.com.

 

[-OZ-]

Any chance of Carlos Rogers falling to the 20 pick?

Heck, I think he'd be a great pick at 11. I can't figure out why he is rated below Rolle & Pacman. He is much faster than Rolle, taller than Pacman, and has a a better vertical than both.

I know we need a pass rush, but I'm sick of watching our corners getting burned game after game.

Even with Surtain, Rogers is gone at or before 1.15

 

[culdeus]

Any chance of Carlos Rogers falling to the 20 pick?

Heck, I think he'd be a great pick at 11. I can't figure out why he is rated below Rolle & Pacman. He is much faster than Rolle, taller than Pacman, and has a a better vertical than both.

I know we need a pass rush, but I'm sick of watching our corners getting burned game after game.

There are plenty of corners in this draft. Don't worry.

 

[culdeus]

Maybe so, but I follow the XII as much as anything and Clayton lost a atep over his Jr. Year the guy couldn't get either 10TDs or 1000yds last year in a wide open system. I don't care if he drew extra coverage or what. CNNSI makes another good point, he shrinks in the bowl games.

Regardless Parcells doesn't want to draft people that can get pushed around anywhere if possible. This however is all moot, no way they hang on to take this bum the pick will float on to some other team.

You must be a UT or A&M fan.

What was your first clue?

 

[BigTex]

QUOTE(BigTex @ Apr 21 2005, 10:22 PM)The trade for the Saints' Darren Howard will change this of course. (Don’t be surprised if this happens) Yep they are talking again!  Ssshhhh!!!! Keep it quite!

Says who?

My friend! But it seems talks have stalled, maybe it'll pick back up today.Looks like the guys over at KFFL just got wind of it:Cowboys | Trying to Trade for Saints' Howard - from www.KFFL.comSat, 23 Apr 2005 07:14:47 -0700Jeff Duncan, of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, reports the New Orleans Saints have received calls from the Dallas Cowboys regarding a trade for DE Darren Howard recently. The Cowboys were looking to swap first-round draft choices and acquire Howard from New Orleans.