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***OFFICIAL CYDY/Leronlimab Thread*** (2 Viewers)

Whether its Feuerstein or not, I really would like to know the motivation by all these people to keep taking shots at Cytodyn, WSJ included.  What do they know about this company that has made them go after it so hard?  

The fact that they are so viciously going after them just makes me think there is more to this than we know about. 

 
Hopefully it was AF probing for dirt from the go-fund me gal rather than another media person. We are already prepared for further hit pieces from AF.

Remember NP said that AF had contacted advisory board members digging into their compensation related to CYDY. AF has it in for NP/CYDY based on what we know.

Are his motives pure as in trying to protect the public> Or is he benefitting from shorting or possibly having some connection to Gilead?

 
Moonlight said:
Are his motives pure as in trying to protect the public> Or is he benefitting from shorting or possibly having some connection to Gilead?
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Really want to know the answer to this.  You wouldn't think a company in trials with the FDA trying to solve a crisis would be under such attack.  What is the motivation, what do they know?

 
Golf Guy 69 said:
I don't know but there is no upside in shorting a stock that no one has interest in.  
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You think its just that they short the stock?  The media if they cover Cytodyn at all seems to have an axe to grind.  Why is the Wall Street Journal taking a shot at them a couple of weeks before results are out?  They must feel pretty confident that this company is a sham.

 
Dwayne Hoover said:
You think its just that they short the stock?  The media if they cover Cytodyn at all seems to have an axe to grind.  Why is the Wall Street Journal taking a shot at them a couple of weeks before results are out?  They must feel pretty confident that this company is a sham.
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Serious question. How often does the WSJ  run takedowns of penny stocks?

 
Steeler said:
This seems unlikely - why would someone care so much about people investing in any stock if they didn't have a direct interest in it themselves?
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Actually I don't see this as an unlikely motivation with a reputable media source. I'm not sure that Feuerstein is reputable though.  

 
I’m an idiot but it seems obvious that it could just be big pharma trying to discredit them to get a cheaper buyout price or discredit the company completely if they are a direct competitor.

 
I mean feurenstein isn’t some kind of evil genius like people tend to think he is, he’s just some dork with a twitter account getting fed money and info to slam the company. 

 
So who is the Wall Street journal reporter who wrote this? Is he established? Is he followed by any large group of people? Is he one of their bloggers who submits an article periodically to fill space? or just a bored payroll reporter who got fed information from first thing and decided to do a follow-up article? Is this a typical response we can expect from the wsj? Is it that the wsj protects the Wall Street establishment, so any OTC they can find with questionable actions, do they attack them just as part of their protection of the establishment? Seems to me there's a lot of options on how and why this article was written as it was.

 
cosjobs said:
So who is the Wall Street journal reporter who wrote this? Is he established? Is he followed by any large group of people? Is he one of their bloggers who submits an article periodically to fill space? or just a bored payroll reporter who got fed information from first thing and decided to do a follow-up article? Is this a typical response we can expect from the wsj? Is it that the wsj protects the Wall Street establishment, so any OTC they can find with questionable actions, do they attack them just as part of their protection of the establishment? Seems to me there's a lot of options on how and why this article was written as it was.
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This is one of the WSJ writers, been there since '96.  Credentials look fine to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Zuckerman

 
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Capella said:
I’m an idiot but it seems obvious that it could just be big pharma trying to discredit them to get a cheaper buyout price or discredit the company completely if they are a direct competitor.
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Seems far fetched to me but who knows.

This has gone on for a while and we are at the point of seeing data.  At this point, the data will speak for itself,  not sure how much you have to gain by going after them now

 
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Dwayne Hoover said:
Seems far fetched to me but who knows.

This has gone on for a while and we are at the point of seeing data.  At this point, the data will speak for itself,  not sure how much you have to gain by going after them now
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It’s far fetched that somebody is trying to use a media outlet to discredit somebody they either don’t like or are in competition with? It happens literally every day. 

 
Dwayne Hoover said:
This is one of the WSJ writers, been there since '96.  Credentials look fine to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Zuckerman
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His book The Man Who Solved The Market was a New York Times and Wall Street Journal best seller, was #1 on the New York Times list of top-selling business books for the month of November, 2019, and was shortlisted in the FT/McKinsey competition for 2019 business book of the year.

Seems legit

 
cosjobs said:
Maybe not. Don't know. I was laying out many scenarios for motivation for the as article slant and they may all be wrong.

But at the very least the article seemed pejorative.
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At this point my best guess is it was pretty much of a puff piece and the mild slandering of cydy was just collateral damage with no ill intent

 
There are all kinds of media pieces, tweets etc. pointing out the gambling that is going on with millennials reviewing government money.  This isn’t exactly new except it ties in CYDY.  Look at the back and forth with Portnoy and Kramer, and the down with the suits schtick.  We’ve even discussed it here over and over with the RH’ers. 

 
PennState-JD said:
There are all kinds of media pieces, tweets etc. pointing out the gambling that is going on with millennials reviewing government money.  This isn’t exactly new except it ties in CYDY.  Look at the back and forth with Portnoy and Kramer, and the down with the suits schtick.  We’ve even discussed it here over and over with the RH’ers. 
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That's fine but there was a major part of that article that just resurrected all the dirt on NP.  The selling of indian artifacts, the stock sale, etc

 
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I read the article. Sorta meh. I even thought it could help CYDY get some attention. No such thing as bad press. Personally, I don't really care if NP is dragged through the mud a bit. Again, I'm here because of Patterson and others, not because of NP.

 
Dwayne Hoover said:
Whether its Feuerstein or not, I really would like to know the motivation by all these people to keep taking shots at Cytodyn, WSJ included.  What do they know about this company that has made them go after it so hard?  

The fact that they are so viciously going after them just makes me think there is more to this than we know about. 
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Lol, I mean, maybe they actually think what they’re writing? Maybe it’s a scam. A pump and dump. Or just not likely to do what their CEO says? Is it literally impossible for you guys to think that? Everything is a conspiracy? Geez. That’s sad. 

 
ConstruxBoy said:
Lol, I mean, maybe they actually think what they’re writing? Maybe it’s a scam. A pump and dump. Or just not likely to do what their CEO says? Is it literally impossible for you guys to think that? Everything is a conspiracy? Geez. That’s sad. 
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We have literally discussed the odds of it being a scam and the CEO being a liar hundreds of times. 

 
ConstruxBoy said:
Lol, I mean, maybe they actually think what they’re writing? Maybe it’s a scam. A pump and dump. Or just not likely to do what their CEO says? Is it literally impossible for you guys to think that? Everything is a conspiracy? Geez. That’s sad. 
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Well you got an absolute terrible read on my post because I'm fully leaving the door open that they might be credible.

Im not a big tin foil hat guy, I generally trust the media.  I find it odd that they are going after this company so hard if they didn't have something so Im wondering exactly what they have.

 
ConstruxBoy said:
:lmao:

I will happily exit the thread and leave you to your echo chamber. Good luck. 
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I don't think anyone in this thread is not risking anything they are willing to lose.  Most think it's like a poker hand with the river card to come.  We are a 3-1 dog, but the payout is 10-1.

 
Dwayne Hoover said:
Well you got an absolute terrible read on my post because I'm fully leaving the door open that they might be credible.

Im not a big tin foil hat guy, I generally trust the media.  I find it odd that they are going after this company so hard if they didn't have something so Im wondering exactly what they have.
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They have guys like you responding with all types of doubt and scaring people into selling if they preform another huge short raid.  They need those people selling into a short raid to further short sell.  Someone a few weeks ago posted a good article on short selling these OTC'ers.

 
As a noob stock guy, it”s been interesting watching this. When chet first brought this to the table, if I remember this thing was presented as a very under valued stock that had some awesome stuff cooking for HIV and cancer.  So that was the real long term play on this thing. Because this is why NP bought it in the first place. Don’t forget about that.

Then Covid hit and all of a sudden this appeared to have some possibilities.....but those possibilities have seemed to have been pushed by the company itself and people closely tied to the company. That euphoria triggered the run up because people like us were looking for the grand slam silver bullet........for Covid.

And now....my uninformed opinion thinks that NP is trying desperately to keep the stock price as-is because the true value of this drug is in HIV and cancer.....not Covid.

NP didn’t buy this thing years ago for Covid.....this was a pandemic that fell into their lap. And now he is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

My fear is that Covid is clouding the vision of the original intentions. And to me, this drug is an HIV and cancer drug...not a Covid drug. Which makes it a long play.

 
ConstruxBoy said:
Do you know what Occam’s Razor is?
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Occam’s razor would say it’s not a scam at this point. Multiple trials, many doctors, etc. Calling all of that a scam at this point is X-Files level conspiracy. Doesn’t mean trial results will be amazing just that it’s not likely to be a scam. Occam’s razor could more easily say that a company (Gilead) and/or government (Trump) who’ve got a ton invested in competition could easily get behind a blogger.

Not saying that I believe a huge conspiracy but I’d be less shocked at hit pieces coming from a guy helping people short stocks than a huge conspiracy to enlist doctors and nurses and patients to pull a huge scam.

 
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ConstruxBoy said:
Including the Wall Street Journal?

Anyway, enough quoting me. Enjoy the ride. 
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Yes. Saying it’s a scam is the opposite of Occam’s razor. Do you really think that there are dozens of lying doctors, nurses and patients getting paid off and not spilling secrets? I think it’s a heck of a lot easier to believe that the WSJ reporter got a little tip and felt like it made a more interesting story to include questionable things about the CEO of a biotech company that fit his story. Heck, I believe him that most of this biotech stock is crazy just like most of the dot com companies went belly up. There’s going to be a couple clear winners in this CV craze and the rest will likely go back down to $0. It’s like the blockchain stuff where any company saying they were blockchain related spiked. Any biotech on the major exchanges that says that a drug they have appears to work against CV, even if only in a perfect lab setting, has seen big pops.

Anyway, none of what I am saying guarantees that the trial results will be good enough. I’m just stating that it’s not Occam’s Razor to say that every trial or other good report that’s come out is a scam. That truly would be impossible to do what we’ve seen so far without real proof of a scam in today’s world. 

 
ConstruxBoy said:
Including the Wall Street Journal?

Anyway, enough quoting me. Enjoy the ride. 
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Did you read the WSJ article? If so, what were your impressions? 

I've said before you can interpret CYDY activities from whatever predisposition  you have about it.

I read the article once, someone on another board ignored the pay wall it was behind.

My impression of the article was that it was announced as a generalization of the excitement/rush of so many companies to develop co-vid meds but turned into a focused hit piece on one company. So thought it was misleading.

One of the things mentioned in the article were NPs exaggerations regarding timelines and promise of the drug. Well yes most everything has taken longer than thought. But it has happened (BLA filed, Financing obtained, mfging and distribution agreements, application for uplisting, initiation of trials (cancer, m/m co-vid completed). Is LL a knockout homerun drug? We do not know that yet (cancer results were excellent) but will know soon about co0vid. Also, I am continually advised that biotech derug development takes time and there are delays. But I do have the impression that NP is not always realistic about timelines.

Additionally, all data to date says LL is a safe drug.

The WSJ also focused on NP going off on staff when challenged about exaggerated timelines. Cant say this didn't happen, cant say it did. Wouldn't be surprised if it did. The article seems to use previous disgruntled staff as sources.

The WSJ seemed to me to distort deaths that I think were related to the early Montefiore study for c/s but that's an area I'm not confident about in my understanding.

WSJ mentioned that CYDY was denied the BLA for HIV because of using mock data.  This looks real bad, it sounded like it was a permanent denial as opposed to the need to just include more data that was missing. WSJ later printed a retraction suggesting they had done a thorough review of the company.

Also WSJ hit on NP's stock sale and quoted him as saying he was entitled to have some security or some such thing. Now NP has said he sold stock to protect the stock and secure mfg. Now this is a strange situation and I really do not know what to believe about this. So I have some doubt.

The WSJ mentioned other things I do not recall and therefore can not discuss.

My conclusion is that somebody birddogged WSJ onto CYDY.  Unless CYDY is such huge charlatan of a company that everyone in the industry believes is fake. I do not think that is the case based on cancer trials, safety data, number of doctors and institutions involved.

Just trying to explain how I look at things.

 
stbugs said:
Yes. Saying it’s a scam is the opposite of Occam’s razor. Do you really think that there are dozens of lying doctors, nurses and patients getting paid off and not spilling secrets? I think it’s a heck of a lot easier to believe that the WSJ reporter got a little tip and felt like it made a more interesting story to include questionable things about the CEO of a biotech company that fit his story. Heck, I believe him that most of this biotech stock is crazy just like most of the dot com companies went belly up. There’s going to be a couple clear winners in this CV craze and the rest will likely go back down to $0. It’s like the blockchain stuff where any company saying they were blockchain related spiked. Any biotech on the major exchanges that says that a drug they have appears to work against CV, even if only in a perfect lab setting, has seen big pops.

Anyway, none of what I am saying guarantees that the trial results will be good enough. I’m just stating that it’s not Occam’s Razor to say that every trial or other good report that’s come out is a scam. That truly would be impossible to do what we’ve seen so far without real proof of a scam in today’s world. 
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I'm feeling some remorse here and will let you in on a secret.  Biggest pump and dump ever.  Adam, Chet, and myself cooked up the whole scheme.  Chet got a message board to buy enough to get the pump rolling.  I've been day trading the heck out of it to artificially inflate the volume.  Adam has been funneling his some of his short profits back to NP to hire more staff, pay for yahoo broadcasts, and pay off doctors.  We drive the price up again and then Adam starts a short attack.  Rinse and repeat.  We would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddling WSJ reporter.

 
I love that somebody pops in with “well HAVE you all discussed this company being a scam and the CEO being a crook like my big brain has” and we’re all like “yea” and then he’s like “you can stop replying to me now”. Sheesh. This thread is a ride. 

 
The stock was promoted by Chet back when it was like .30

its worth almost 20x that now and has held that for awhile. 
 

pretty sure everybody knows it’s a gamble to stay in it at this point but that’s the fun of it. 

 
Getzlaf15 said:
They have guys like you responding with all types of doubt and scaring people into selling if they preform another huge short raid.  They need those people selling into a short raid to further short sell.  Someone a few weeks ago posted a good article on short selling these OTC'ers.
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There is always some doubt but I'm on an accumulating kick right now and was contemplating adding more tomorrow.  I'm not panicking by any stretch and really only wanted to see what others are thinking on these lines.

Feel like its good to ask questions.  I know we dont have all the answers but just trying to unpack things a bit more.

 
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