Zegras11
Footballguy
Bruce Wayynne@BWayynne
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May 15
$CYDY This person makes a good argument that The Nadir is trying to get fired so he can collect on his golden parachute:
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=163822779
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***OFFICIAL CYDY/Leronlimab Thread*** (5 Viewers)
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May 15
$CYDY This person makes a good argument that The Nadir is trying to get fired so he can collect on his golden parachute:
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=163822779
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
WRONG.
A paper written by someone whose company stands to have a financial gain from the success of LL is hardly proof. The theory is sound, but a lot of things sound good in theory. So far LL has not delivered in practice.
It's great to believe in the drug, but saying that there is proof it works is extremely frustrating/annoying. You think if there was proof the FDA would keep the drug on the sidelines?
To get back on the buying/selling track, am I far off in thinking that our groupthink has us buying back in (or buying more) at or around $1.50? I sold a while back and would buy back half my shares at that level and the other half should it approach a buck. I’m waiting for another shoe to drop but watching intently. Thoughts?
Another idea: I think this is both a trading stock (as claimed upthread) and a long term hold (see also: chet). Seems to warrant two tranches. I’m heading in that direction too.
Another idea: I think this is both a trading stock (as claimed upthread) and a long term hold (see also: chet). Seems to warrant two tranches. I’m heading in that direction too.
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chet
Footballguy
Did you miss the part where it was peer reviewed? Are you really that naive that you have no idea how the scientific review process works? It certainly seems so and therefore you should be much more careful before you make statements where you are so woefully misinformed.
Dwayne Hoover
Footballguy
I've pretty much had that $1.50 number in my head but definitely going to watch a bit. I think we are going to get there faster than I thought, maybe today?
Just feels like there isn't any reversal in the short term. Definitely don't know what the bottom will be so I'm going to be a little more patient.
Really no good news came out of the CC yesterday that I heard.
Been wrong before but don't think it will be a one shot deal to get it at $1.50 so gonna be patient.
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
Again it's all theory. I agree with the theory behind LL. Sounded perfect. I invested because of the MOA that Patterson believed in.
However, theory and trial results are two different things.
1 million peer reviewers can agree with the MOA but if it can't even pass 1 clinical trial....it doesn't matter.
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Dwayne Hoover
Footballguy
It's all relative but seems to be doing better than I thought today.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
I think the fact that there’s so many shares outstanding that the price looks cheap. I’m shocked after the conference call, the FDA thing and no real movement on cancer/HIV that the company is still worth over $1B. Look at HGEN where everyone is much more optimistic. HGEN as a company is worth less than CYDY. Shocking to me, but because this is more of a cult based stock the price of under $2 makes it look cheaper than it truly is in terms of actual market cap.
firstseason1987
Footballguy
1 paper with irreproducible results is hardly confidence inspiring
chet
Footballguy
Who are you and what results, specifically, are you claiming are irreproducible?
It's ironic that the naysayers automatically invalidate the work of a world class scientist with an impeccable record because he has a company and therefore any conclusions he draws must be marred because of his vested interest. Yet you same people will take the word of a known short seller as gospel even though they have a proven track record for distorting the truth and outright lying.
@BassNBrew I don't have the time to argue with an "investor" whose position totals 40 shares. I suggest you sell them and take your best guy/gal out for a big night on the town. You'll never have to visit this thread again, and we will both be happier.
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
Ummm none of the trials have showed more effective than placebo.
The FDA has said regarding CD10...
"With the conclusion of both the CD10 and CD12 clinical trials, it has become clear that the data currently available do not support the clinical benefit of leronlimab for the treatment of COVID-19. In the smaller study that CytoDyn conducted in patients with mild-to-moderate COVID-19 disease (CD10), there was no observed effect of the drug on the study’s primary endpoint or on any of the secondary endpoints. "
The FDA on CD12...
"The larger trial that CytoDyn conducted in patients with severe COVID-19 disease (CD12) also failed to find any effect of the drug on the primary study endpoint, with no difference seen in mortality (20.5% in the leronlimab treatment group and 21.6% in the placebo treatment group); or on any of the secondary endpoints, for example, with no difference on the average length of hospitalization (21.4 days in both the leronlimab and the placebo treatment groups)."
The FDA on subset populations...
"Subgroup analyses have well-established limitations, especially in the context of a clinical trial that has failed to show a benefit in the overall study population. For example, subgroups are often small, and therefore imbalances are common. Here, the data from CD12 illustrated imbalances in mortality among subgroups, some favoring leronlimab and some favoring placebo. None of these analyses met statistical significance when using established and reliable analytical methods that correct for multiple comparisons. However, as noted above, such analyses may inform the design of future clinical trials investigating leronlimab for the treatment of COVID-19. "
THESE ARE THE FDAs OWN WORDS!! NOT SHORT SELLERS.
So despite the peer reviewd MOA that Patterson believes in so much to have his company produce test for it......LL HAS NOT PROVEN EFFECTIVE IN THE REAL WORLD.
Your refusal to acknowledge that LL has not yet proven effective is delusional at this point and also screams like the opposite of a short....an insider pump. I hate saying that but that's truly what it's starting to sound like.
We I'm glad I sold the other 2500 at a price significantly higher that where it sits today. The remaining 40 shares wouldn't even buy a good lunch.
By the way, you were the one who asked anyone owning shares to PM you, which is where I disclosed I was down to forty shares, and didn't have the decency to respond. If you weren't going to respond, you shouldn't have asked.
Furthermore, pretty classless to take shots at people who have a dissenting viewpoint on a stock as well as people who have saved people thousands of dollars in losses. As great as you're call was at 50 cents, the guys who said to get out in the $5 to $6 range were just as valuable to the investors here. Many here including myself have posted kudos and wished you well in maximizing this investment. Pretty ####ty to dump on people here because the FDA says that there's no proof the drug works.
By the way, your world class scientist isn't even using LL in his long hauler work.
Zegras11
Footballguy
firstseason1987
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
Well obviously believes there are other options that work. Is he limited to approved drugs in his study?
also I thought LL was available in the US in certain situations? Did that authorization get pulled by the FDA?
I’m not going to get in the middle of this tiff, but thought I’d post that chet called me (and a lot of other folks) when he did not really need to do that. Shared what he needed to share and was very gracious. He’s been 100% a stand-up guy in my book and all while helping many of us make four, five, even six figures.
dkp993
Footballguy
chet
Footballguy
You disclosed here that you held 40 shares. I am not taking shots at anyone but it's ridiculous to be the loudest person in the thread with almost no exposure to the stock. And how many times have you accused me of pumping? I also sold a significant amount in the $5-7 range and was very vocal about it.
I tried to reach out to everyone who PMd me but to expect a call with 40 shares is ridiculous. You should be embarrassed that I have to explain this to you but if you had any common sense, you'd understand why I read your message and moved on. I have tried to keep people up to date on this company while protecting myself but you seem to be more interested in mocking me.
Then you make statements about the world class doctor not even using LL. To be so misinformed about his intentions and then to make misleading statements is irresponsible. But hey, you're the guy who quotes the short sellers as gospel. It really shows how little you know about this company or situation.
I have wasted enough time on this stupid discussion. I am moving on.
chet
Footballguy
firstseason1987
Footballguy
Blame mods with itchy trigger fingers. Been here more than 10 years. I didn't realize you were going to be so picky about who you deign to respond to.
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IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Low post counts always throw up a red flag to old timers. My new aliases are treated that way too until people figure out who you are.
chet
Footballguy
Again, the attitude so you will get some back. If you've been around for as long as you say, you'd know that others have suggested that some in this thread have nefarious intent. How am I supposed to know who you are or what your intentions are? If you wanted a response, you should have provided an explanation.
firstseason1987
Footballguy
As I said before, I want some kind of explanation about what kind of shady deal you have going on that can only be explained in PM and not on the board before I turn over any more information to you. I don't even need it from you, any of the other people you've deemed worthy of sharing your info with can let me in on it too if they want. But I'm not giving up any more private personal info to anyone until I have a better idea why.
I PMd you on May 7th when the stock price was around $3. Why would I want the have exposure to a stock threat was going to lose 35% of its value. I’m already a moron for holding 30 shares through the conference call yesterday. I refrain from describing anyone who had a large stake.
By the way, I just noticed the PM I sent was unread. I guess you can add lying to your resume of spreading falsehoods that the FDA has debunked.
never was personal until you began talking crap to anyone who had a differing opinion. As you might recall you posted something here that I quoted that you were concerned might not be in your best interest. When you PMd me I edited that post at your request immediately to hide the quote.
Good day and I hope your investment works out well for you.
firstseason1987
Footballguy
While it's fair, it's got nothing to do with the original request that people PM him that I can figure out. Unless there's some kind of "trusted insider people only" thing going on which I obviously cannot guess the backstory behind.
firstseason1987
Footballguy
The Gator
Footballguy
Nothing wrong with only sharing with your good buddies, just admit it and move on. All most of us have been doing is sharing our opinion to help others. I was balls deep in this stock and it became a > 20% position for me last year during the big run up. The last straw for me was the delay in the latest trial results and the insider selling. That was when i started liquidating 5% chunks each day until I got down to nearly nothing. Once the results came out and the spin of it working when you sliced and diced the study group into small subsets was published I knew it was time to say adios. I'll keep my small position more for tracking purposes and keep up with this thread because there have been some pretty smart traders posting in here.
chet
Footballguy
Lying and spreading falsehoods? You're the only one guilty of that. I make you thousands and you make unfounded accusations? You're a hell of a guy--just glad I've never had the misfortune of real life interactions with you.
I'm done with this. Welcome to my ignore list. I should have done it sooner. I forgot my lesson to not engage with idiots--they drag me down to their level and beat me with experience every time.
Guy is on full tilt. I guess I should cut him a break given how the FDA validated all the recent "short hit pieces".
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
Guess someone just chose to ignore my reply with all FDA quotes....
dkp993
Footballguy
Your position is very weird to me. You want to know what’s going on but you’re unwilling to take the steps to find out. Then you’re upset you don’t know what’s going on. Sounds like a you problem to me.
Steeler
Footballguy
Chet's original "promise" was to be transparent with all his moves related to this stock, and for a long time he was. Then we needed to send a PM to get an update and many of our PMs were ignored. Then we needed to provide a phone number for a 15 minute phone conversation.... so I can see why people are uneasy with the changes in the way he is handling things recently.
Wishful thinking was that he was that he was part of a group trying to oust Nadar. The reality is that this company is so diluted that would be next to impossible at these prices.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Sure are a lot of people piling on. He made most of us money.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
I've got no issue with Chet here. Opposite in fact. And I've lost money on this #######g thing (that's my fault).I think he's been on the receiving end of some smartassedness that was probably undeserving. Way I see it, he stuck to his guns and even dug his heels in when it looked/was bad. He doubled- and tripled-down. But as he did that, he became a target for many, and that, fairly I think, got under his skin at some point. Leave the dude alone. So what if he keeps pimping this thing? It's not like he's defending NP. Opposite in fact.
Do your own due diligence.
Do your own due diligence.
We are doing our own due diligence. Chet is the one who took personal shots at anyone who posted anything negative about LL and violated this boards TOS. Most if not all of the negative comments were directed towards NP or the drugs prospects of getting approved. Time after time Chet would then step in and personally call out those posting anything other than pro-cydy messages. I for one am very appreciative that some of the dissenters put up with the BS tossed at them and continued to post. They saved me a lot of money and help me do my own due diligence.
Maybe the solution is two threads, one where only pom-poms and moonshots are allowed and another where we can discuss the impact of the failure of the drug to meet endpoints and the FDAs dismantling and total rebut of everything cody has done.
Dwayne Hoover
Footballguy
I'm definitely not taking sides either. I think everyone in here has been stand up and now we're at the point where there are just dissenting opinions about the efficacy of leronlimab.
Bass has made good points about the subsets and how anyone aged between 55 and 62 in Clark County seemed to fair well. It's kind of funny, we can laugh. There is also some truth in it.
Chet has absolutely been a stand up guy, has given us a big winner (he said to buy it at .29, let's not forget) and ultimately he may be right that leronlimab will be able to prove it out. We aren't there yet but that hardly means it doesn't have a future.
This is a good thread and it's great to have differing opinions. At the end of the day, we all just want to make money. Whether it happens with this company or another one in the stock thread, let's try not to make it personal when there are disagreements but for sure everyone should continue to stand by what they are thinking.
Bass has made good points about the subsets and how anyone aged between 55 and 62 in Clark County seemed to fair well. It's kind of funny, we can laugh. There is also some truth in it.
Chet has absolutely been a stand up guy, has given us a big winner (he said to buy it at .29, let's not forget) and ultimately he may be right that leronlimab will be able to prove it out. We aren't there yet but that hardly means it doesn't have a future.
This is a good thread and it's great to have differing opinions. At the end of the day, we all just want to make money. Whether it happens with this company or another one in the stock thread, let's try not to make it personal when there are disagreements but for sure everyone should continue to stand by what they are thinking.
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Dwayne Hoover
Footballguy
Charlie Harper, I think at this point you and the FDA are right. They didn't prove it out, seems plain as day.
Does that mean in a better designed trial we could get a different result? The jury is still out on this.
They may not have gotten the dosage right, it may not have had a legit chance. They also may not have matched the populations between placebo and leronlimab as fairly as it should have been.
There are definitely questions that came out of that trial so perhaps they still can do better in the future. It's a matter if this company can actually pull it off and not screw up the next chance that they get.
I definitely have some mixed feelings and it could go either way.. Regardless it may be a very tradeable stock still. The CYDY community will keep buying, that much seems like something we can count on. So a good price and it may be worth another flyer.
Does that mean in a better designed trial we could get a different result? The jury is still out on this.
They may not have gotten the dosage right, it may not have had a legit chance. They also may not have matched the populations between placebo and leronlimab as fairly as it should have been.
There are definitely questions that came out of that trial so perhaps they still can do better in the future. It's a matter if this company can actually pull it off and not screw up the next chance that they get.
I definitely have some mixed feelings and it could go either way.. Regardless it may be a very tradeable stock still. The CYDY community will keep buying, that much seems like something we can count on. So a good price and it may be worth another flyer.
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Charlie Harper
Footballguy
I'm fine with Chet believing in LL, but stating that it's a fact that LL works and calling anyone who interpreted the clinical trials THE EXACT SAME WAY AS THE FDA a short was just too much for me to bear silently.
Ok. I'll keep quiet again. Hope everything works out for everyone
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I think it’s a good cautionary tale. Getting in early is almost a must as I know it’s the only reason I made money. The folks who buy GME at $5 expecting $45 have a much better shot than the people who jumped in at $400 expecting $1000. Then you need to lighten the load like @Todem always says if you get a great gain. You also can’t ignore the facts when they come out like the trial results and the CEO lies. Lastly, there are always other opportunities. There’s tons of stocks that do well, so it’s never a bad thing to move on if you aren’t happy or comfortable and find something else in which to invest.
