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***Official*** DeAngelo Williams Bandwagon (1 Viewer)

deangelo is the truth... he has electric change of direction ability & explosive short area burst & acceleration...

* LOL when others say he is too small... he is almost same size & physique as emmitt smith when he came into the league... also the too slow dis... he was the fastest prep in the state of arkansas & ran 10.8 100 m...

 
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This is good stuff. More preseason hype. They should start a forum for the HYPE.

Last year Foster ran for 160 something against ATL and 150 against NYG but obviously he has no talent. :bye: Foster is going to get his shot this year so in a redraft DW really is nothing but an expensive handcuff. Foster will probably get hurt so in that case it is worth the price.

 
This is good stuff. More preseason hype. They should start a forum for the HYPE.Last year Foster ran for 160 something against ATL and 150 against NYG but obviously he has no talent. :bye: Foster is going to get his shot this year so in a redraft DW really is nothing but an expensive handcuff. Foster will probably get hurt so in that case it is worth the price.
Funny how when Willimas was quite in the preseason and camp it was a big deal because he had no talent and was showing nothing on the field. Now that he shows his talent and what he can really do it's just preseason hype. You can wear Foster blinders all you want. Williams looked like the best RB on the field tonight. Better than Foster and better than Brown. The talent is there, like it or not.
 
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Not saying he is not talented. He would not have been drafted in the 1st round if he was not talented. Just stating that its Foster job to lose. The knock on Foster has been he can't stay healthy the positives are that he has all the talent and tools to be an awesome back. So my question is why start a bandwagon for a backup? Once Foster gets hurt this thread may make some sense. The part of this thread that is hype is stating that DW is the starting rb. I hope people buy into this so I can get a great RB in Foster late in the draft.

 
This is good stuff. More preseason hype. They should start a forum for the HYPE.Last year Foster ran for 160 something against ATL and 150 against NYG but obviously he has no talent. :bye: Foster is going to get his shot this year so in a redraft DW really is nothing but an expensive handcuff. Foster will probably get hurt so in that case it is worth the price.
Funny how when Willimas was quite in the preseason and camp it was a big deal because he had no talent and was showing nothing on the field. Now that he shows his talent and what he can really do it's just preseason hype. You can wear Foster blinders all you want. Williams looked like the best RB on the field tonight. Better than Foster and better than Brown. The talent is there, like it or not.
AGREED, rock solid bud.
 
Not saying he is not talented. He would not have been drafted in the 1st round if he was not talented. Just stating that its Foster job to lose. The knock on Foster has been he can't stay healthy the positives are that he has all the talent and tools to be an awesome back. So my question is why start a bandwagon for a backup? Once Foster gets hurt this thread may make some sense. The part of this thread that is hype is stating that DW is the starting rb. I hope people buy into this so I can get a great RB in Foster late in the draft.
I was just starting to warm up to Foster actually and thought about making a move for him as I landed Williams in one of my dynasty leagues. This game tonight reminded why I shouldn't though. Williams IMO will be starting sooner rather than later regardless of if Foster gets hurt. Either that or he will be on the field a fair amount and thats enough for me. Especially given the rediculously high price Foster owners want for an injury prone, underachieving RB who has already been given chances.
 
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Not saying he is not talented. He would not have been drafted in the 1st round if he was not talented. Just stating that its Foster job to lose. The knock on Foster has been he can't stay healthy the positives are that he has all the talent and tools to be an awesome back. So my question is why start a bandwagon for a backup? Once Foster gets hurt this thread may make some sense. The part of this thread that is hype is stating that DW is the starting rb. I hope people buy into this so I can get a great RB in Foster late in the draft.
You can stop hoping, because they won't start buying into that, sorry. Foster goes first and Williams is a must handcuff. I do think it's just a matter of time though. Foster will start the season. He's a very solid back when healthy. He should do fine. Williams will spell him, and probably won't look so great and then vrrrroooooom! They're going to have a tough time not using him more and more. The writing is on the wall. Foster is penciled in, not inked in. One ding, one week off for a rib or an ankle, and this is another Davis/Foster mix, but this time Foster isn't the better runner. That's all.
 
I am not going to target backups since not taking LJ worked out well for me last year. :)

Anyways I would not take Foster until the mid 5th and DW until the mid 7th. Hopefully neither are there so I can get more sleep. I would hate to draft either player for this thing to turn into an RBBC. Foster still is a supertalented back and I think w/o injury it is going to be really tough to de-throne him. I guess just my opinion we'll have to see it play out.

 
:hey:

I'm on board.

Unfortunately, I agree with Sweetness. Unless Foster is injured, he's nothing more than a change of pace back.

 
Bumpage.Week 11 numbers:20-114 rushing, 2-24 receiving :banned:
This week he is gonna suffer a bloody and horrifying compound fracture of the femur in BOTH of his legs and not play another down in the NFL...for the remainder of this season only. :disgustedfosterowner: :bag:
 
More Foster/DWill fodder for you.....

DeAngelo or DeShaun? For now, it's an easy De-cision

By Darin Gantt · The Herald - Updated 11/22/06 - 7:45 AM

CHARLOTTE -- In any debate, the easiest position to take is the contrary one.

It makes you look smarter and more thoughtful, since you've chosen a position counter to the established norms. Then again, choosing that position doesn't make you right and can quickly expose you as the opposite.

There will come a time when the Carolina Panthers' offense belongs to DeAngelo Williams. That time is not now. There's too much at stake.

You'd think with the beating running back DeShaun Foster takes on the Internet message boards and radio talk shows, he must be some sort of deficient character -- lacking either personal ballast or football talent. Neither is true.

Since the day he walked through the door, all he's done is wait quietly for his chance and perform admirably when he's gotten it.

Whether it was one injury or another or Stephen Davis, forces conspired to keep him from his opportunity to do what he does best, and what he's doing now -- run.

Yeah, that DeShaun Foster, he's no good. All he does is gain positive yards behind a suspect line. All he's done is author some of the most memorable runs in franchise history.

Quick, how many specific Stephen Davis rushes do you remember? Now, how many of Foster's spring to mind?

His six-tackle breaking explosion in the NFC Championship Game win over Philadelphia stands as one of the three best individual plays in franchise history.

How about the 33-yard burst in the Super Bowl, the longest run the Patriots gave up that year? Maybe the 71-yard cannon-shot in Kansas City in 2004? The 70-yard power-cut-back-and fly in Atlanta on New Year's Day? How about the game-clinching 43-yarder in the fourth quarter against New Orleans a few weeks back?

Foster's done it time and time again, always with a flair for the dramatic, even though his personality runs just as fast in the other direction.

Maybe that's part of the current sea change, the sudden Williams movement that has sprung up among the knee-jerk class.

The rookie's personable, for sure. He plays with chain saws to scare little kids -- because he is one. He's also shown a knack for being able to break big runs.

The difference between the two backs, however, came clear in the first game Williams missed.

When the Panthers went to Baltimore, they went in head down and running. It didn't matter that they weren't going to gain any yards, they were running anyway.

Somebody had to run it.

To me, the 58 yards Foster gained that day on 26 carries were perhaps the strongest he's posted, the validation that yes he can be the power back the Panthers want him to be. Does he dance at times? Sure, but not because he's a dancer by nature. Watch from behind him and tell me what's there.

That afternoon in Baltimore, he repeatedly slammed himself into no-hole times, and the fact he averaged better than 2 per shot (considering what was on either side of the line) seems amazing.

To say he's not a physical runner like Davis is perhaps the reddest herring ever waved in these parts.

It's a faulty assumption based on the fact that since Davis was here and was a true power back, any other backs who were here at the time were complements. If Davis was brute force, Foster must have been finesse, right?

Wrong.

The same bad logic applies to the comparisons to Williams.

Because the rookie's so quick to the hole, he must have more functional speed than Foster, right?

Nope.

The differences between the two backs at this point are subtle ones, ones easily lost on those who chatter on.

Williams looks good, but the third carry of the game is much easier to look good on than the 23rd -- and the rookie hasn't proven himself trustworthy on that one yet.

There's a cumulative effect to running the ball inside, to beating the rock with a hammer when the crack's not apparent.

It's part of the setup, part of the chess game that the Panthers' offense is built on. For Steve Smith to have room to roam deep, it takes a consistent plowing up the middle. Foster's handled that load so far.

Williams has a low-cut frame built for leverage, but at some point this season, the back's going to have to pick up a defensive end on a key third down, and Foster's better there, too. Running backs coach Jim Skipper said in 2003 that Foster was the best pass protector in his group, and that was when it included Davis and the staples, Brad Hoover and Nick Goings.

Over the next six weeks and beyond, the Panthers will need both Foster and Williams. So debating which should take a greater role's a pointless exercise. The fact that there is a bit of a contrast between them works to the Panthers' advantage, not disadvantage. Those who would give that away don't see the larger picture.

It's easy to say it's Williams' time. He's shiny and new.

But the Panthers are approaching the time of year when you need things solid and dependable.

If things play out as they should, they're going to be one the road somewhere late, needing to grind some time off the clock. Then they're going to have to throw at some point, and someone's going to have to step in front of a man who means harm to Jake Delhomme.

When that time comes, when it matters, who do you want there?

The new kid, or the guy who's fought that fight before?

Darin Gantt | daringantt@carolina.rr.com

 
More Foster/DWill fodder for you.....DeAngelo or DeShaun? For now, it's an easy De-cisionBy Darin Gantt · The Herald - Updated 11/22/06 - 7:45 AMCHARLOTTE -- In any debate, the easiest position to take is the contrary one.It makes you look smarter and more thoughtful, since you've chosen a position counter to the established norms. Then again, choosing that position doesn't make you right and can quickly expose you as the opposite.There will come a time when the Carolina Panthers' offense belongs to DeAngelo Williams. That time is not now. There's too much at stake.You'd think with the beating running back DeShaun Foster takes on the Internet message boards and radio talk shows, he must be some sort of deficient character -- lacking either personal ballast or football talent. Neither is true.Since the day he walked through the door, all he's done is wait quietly for his chance and perform admirably when he's gotten it.Whether it was one injury or another or Stephen Davis, forces conspired to keep him from his opportunity to do what he does best, and what he's doing now -- run.Yeah, that DeShaun Foster, he's no good. All he does is gain positive yards behind a suspect line. All he's done is author some of the most memorable runs in franchise history.Quick, how many specific Stephen Davis rushes do you remember? Now, how many of Foster's spring to mind?His six-tackle breaking explosion in the NFC Championship Game win over Philadelphia stands as one of the three best individual plays in franchise history.How about the 33-yard burst in the Super Bowl, the longest run the Patriots gave up that year? Maybe the 71-yard cannon-shot in Kansas City in 2004? The 70-yard power-cut-back-and fly in Atlanta on New Year's Day? How about the game-clinching 43-yarder in the fourth quarter against New Orleans a few weeks back?Foster's done it time and time again, always with a flair for the dramatic, even though his personality runs just as fast in the other direction.Maybe that's part of the current sea change, the sudden Williams movement that has sprung up among the knee-jerk class.The rookie's personable, for sure. He plays with chain saws to scare little kids -- because he is one. He's also shown a knack for being able to break big runs.The difference between the two backs, however, came clear in the first game Williams missed.When the Panthers went to Baltimore, they went in head down and running. It didn't matter that they weren't going to gain any yards, they were running anyway.Somebody had to run it.To me, the 58 yards Foster gained that day on 26 carries were perhaps the strongest he's posted, the validation that yes he can be the power back the Panthers want him to be. Does he dance at times? Sure, but not because he's a dancer by nature. Watch from behind him and tell me what's there.That afternoon in Baltimore, he repeatedly slammed himself into no-hole times, and the fact he averaged better than 2 per shot (considering what was on either side of the line) seems amazing.To say he's not a physical runner like Davis is perhaps the reddest herring ever waved in these parts.It's a faulty assumption based on the fact that since Davis was here and was a true power back, any other backs who were here at the time were complements. If Davis was brute force, Foster must have been finesse, right?Wrong.The same bad logic applies to the comparisons to Williams.Because the rookie's so quick to the hole, he must have more functional speed than Foster, right?Nope.The differences between the two backs at this point are subtle ones, ones easily lost on those who chatter on.Williams looks good, but the third carry of the game is much easier to look good on than the 23rd -- and the rookie hasn't proven himself trustworthy on that one yet.There's a cumulative effect to running the ball inside, to beating the rock with a hammer when the crack's not apparent.It's part of the setup, part of the chess game that the Panthers' offense is built on. For Steve Smith to have room to roam deep, it takes a consistent plowing up the middle. Foster's handled that load so far.Williams has a low-cut frame built for leverage, but at some point this season, the back's going to have to pick up a defensive end on a key third down, and Foster's better there, too. Running backs coach Jim Skipper said in 2003 that Foster was the best pass protector in his group, and that was when it included Davis and the staples, Brad Hoover and Nick Goings.Over the next six weeks and beyond, the Panthers will need both Foster and Williams. So debating which should take a greater role's a pointless exercise. The fact that there is a bit of a contrast between them works to the Panthers' advantage, not disadvantage. Those who would give that away don't see the larger picture.It's easy to say it's Williams' time. He's shiny and new.But the Panthers are approaching the time of year when you need things solid and dependable.If things play out as they should, they're going to be one the road somewhere late, needing to grind some time off the clock. Then they're going to have to throw at some point, and someone's going to have to step in front of a man who means harm to Jake Delhomme.When that time comes, when it matters, who do you want there?The new kid, or the guy who's fought that fight before? Darin Gantt | daringantt@carolina.rr.com
"To me, the 58 yards Foster gained that day on 26 carries were perhaps the strongest he's posted, the validation that yes he can be the power back the Panthers want him to be." :hophead: This article could not be more embellishing of Foster or belittling of D.Williams. My only guess is Darin Gantt = D.Foster FF owner. Or maybe Foster has photos of Gantt in compromising positions.
 
I say he starts Mike Bell and Foster on his FF team. Darin Gantt is a moron.

 
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This was in the Charlotte Observer yesterday.

PANTHERS' DESHAUN FOSTER VS. DEANGELO WILLIAMSTime to give these backs double billingSCOTT FOWLERIt is time for rookie DeAngelo Williams to get at least 50 percent of the carries in the Carolina Panthers' offense every week.Williams is younger, fresher and more elusive than No. 1 running back DeShaun Foster. Williams' rushing average is higher (5.1 to 3.9). So is his upside.I don't mean Foster should grow roots on the bench. Starting Foster still makes psychological sense. But Williams must touch the ball far more often.Williams won't campaign for a starting role. "Just whatever it takes to help win," he said Sunday after Carolina's 15-0 win against St. Louis. "If it takes me sitting on the sidelines, keeping everybody excited about the game, I'll do that. If it takes getting them cups of water, I'll do that."On Sunday, it took Williams rushing 20 times for a career-high 114 yards. Foster hyperextended his elbow in the second quarter -- he was on his way to a 100-yard rushing day, too. The Rams' rush defense was abysmal.Nevertheless, Williams earned his first NFL 100-yard game."I was just having fun out there," Williams said. "I was a big kid in a sandbox. Luckily, the sandbox was 100 yards long."Williams, who also had a 75-yard kickoff return Sunday nullified by penalty, sports the sort of burst Foster used to have. Foster was Williams before Williams got here, remember. Stephen Davis was the straight-ahead force in the Super Bowl season; Foster had the dangerous speed to the outside. Davis used to kid Foster about breaking everything toward the sideline.Foster became the No. 1 back in late 2005, and for the past year the Panthers have tried to star him in a movie called "Stephen Davis, The Sequel." They run Foster between the tackles way too often. It's the old "square peg, round hole" thing.Foster is OK with it -- he's tough and team-oriented -- but it's not his forte. The typical Foster run up the middle begins with a handoff, goes to a stutter-step and ends as a two-yard gain.Williams will never be a pounder in the Davis mode. But he gets places quicker. With the Panthers' offensive line -- hardly the NFL's most physical -- he has a better chance of running to a sliver of daylight.Williams will make mistakes. Carolina (6-4) must live with them. The rookie has a ball security issue, coach John Fox points out. Williams fumbled once Sunday. Williams said Foster -- who has gone through his own fumbling woes -- is helping him with that."The only [fumbling] problem I have, I fixed from talking with DeShaun," he said. "When I go down, I reach out trying to go for that extra yard. On the way down, it gets knocked out. It's nothing about running the ball, taking the hit, anything like that. DeShaun told me don't worry about that, just protect the ball and go down."Foster and Williams work well in tandem. But it shouldn't be as No. 1 and No. 2 any longer. It needs to be 1 and 1A.
 
Everytime I have watched Foster this year he looks really slow, and it looks like he has lost a ton of burst. With DWill, he has looked very solid and he even did well running against minn (13 for 74yds rushing and a td). He is also fresh since he had that injury earlier in the year. I think if the panthers want to make some noise in the playoffs, they need to ride dwill for the rest of the year.

(Hopeful Dwill owner)

:boxing:

 
Even IF Foster plays, I would imagine that DeAngelo will get the bulk of the carries (say 20 or so) against a very porous Redskin defense.

I'd still expect around 90 yards rushing, 30 yards receiving and a TD from Williams if Foster plays, and a lot more than that if Foster doesn't.

Williams is far more explosive than Foster, and now he's healthy for the stretch playoff run. The Bandwagon's gonna get rollin' on Sunday.

 
Here's what Mr. Explosive did the previous two times he was supposed to take over the Carolina backfield this year:

Week Three: 4 carries, -1 yard

Week Five: 1 carry, 4 yards

 
Even IF Foster plays, I would imagine that DeAngelo will get the bulk of the carries (say 20 or so) against a very porous Redskin defense. I'd still expect around 90 yards rushing, 30 yards receiving and a TD from Williams if Foster plays, and a lot more than that if Foster doesn't. Williams is far more explosive than Foster, and now he's healthy for the stretch playoff run. The Bandwagon's gonna get rollin' on Sunday.
:goodposting: It'sdefinitely Williams' job now, only problem could be Hoover as vulture.
 
Even IF Foster plays, I would imagine that DeAngelo will get the bulk of the carries (say 20 or so) against a very porous Redskin defense. I'd still expect around 90 yards rushing, 30 yards receiving and a TD from Williams if Foster plays, and a lot more than that if Foster doesn't. Williams is far more explosive than Foster, and now he's healthy for the stretch playoff run. The Bandwagon's gonna get rollin' on Sunday.
:goodposting: It'sdefinitely Williams' job now, only problem could be Hoover as vulture.
Good point, and I picked him up to start along with DW.
 
So was Mr. Explosive everything you dreamed he'd be?
I have Foster and D-Will on my roster (redraft). Obviously I started D-Will and am less than thrilled with the whopping 2 points he got me. WOOO-HOOO! All hail the second coming of Jim Brown. To make matters worse...McGahee was on my bench because I figured he wouldn't play much, if at all.Will these DeAngelo man-lovers please back off now? Sure, Williams looks good if he only gets 10 - 15 carries but when he has to shoulder the load he can't hack it...YET! The Redskins had a horrible run defense and Williams only got what...55 yards? It's the O-line that is the problem...not either of the backs. Hopefully that underachieving team will let Foster walk in the off season so he can sign on with a team that has a decent O-line.
 
Bumping this thread to see if anyone has news on the Carolina RB situation this week. Probably not since Fox doesn't like to show his hand. Good info that D. Williams was getting the majority of the carries would be welcome news with his nice matchup.

 
Bumping this thread to see if anyone has news on the Carolina RB situation this week. Probably not since Fox doesn't like to show his hand. Good info that D. Williams was getting the majority of the carries would be welcome news with his nice matchup.
Bad news for those hoping for one back to be the one-back mon. night:Foster likely to start

 
Bumping this thread to see if anyone has news on the Carolina RB situation this week. Probably not since Fox doesn't like to show his hand. Good info that D. Williams was getting the majority of the carries would be welcome news with his nice matchup.
Bad news for those hoping for one back to be the one-back mon. night:Foster likely to start
I couldn't care less about who the "starter" is. Who plays more? Who gets more work?Remember when Rudi wasn't starting a few weeks ago vs. San Diego? By the end of the game he had 18-85 and a TD.

Jabar Gaffney is the alleged starter in NE - how are his stats?

DeAngelo will have >50% of the rushes and a few catches to boot against a terrible run defense. Look for his second 100 yard game of his emerging career.

 
Bumping this thread to see if anyone has news on the Carolina RB situation this week. Probably not since Fox doesn't like to show his hand. Good info that D. Williams was getting the majority of the carries would be welcome news with his nice matchup.
Bad news for those hoping for one back to be the one-back mon. night:Foster likely to start
I couldn't care less about who the "starter" is. Who plays more? Who gets more work?
I provided a piece of news - do you not care about having additional information related to DeAngelo Williams in a DeAngelo Williams thread? Do you feel my statement was incorrect? If Foster starts, will DWill be "the one-back mon. night" or will he be sharing the load?

If you think Foster starting will have no effect on Williams' fantasy ouitlook, that is fine, but don't you care about having the news?

 
I would like to hear BassNBrew's opinion on what he expects to see from Foster/Williams this week.

Way I see it Foster is in a cast. Williams has played well so why do the Panthers need to risk Foster being in the lineup while he is limited?

 
Bumping this thread to see if anyone has news on the Carolina RB situation this week. Probably not since Fox doesn't like to show his hand. Good info that D. Williams was getting the majority of the carries would be welcome news with his nice matchup.
Bad news for those hoping for one back to be the one-back mon. night:Foster likely to start
I couldn't care less about who the "starter" is. Who plays more? Who gets more work?
I provided a piece of news - do you not care about having additional information related to DeAngelo Williams in a DeAngelo Williams thread? Do you feel my statement was incorrect? If Foster starts, will DWill be "the one-back mon. night" or will he be sharing the load?

If you think Foster starting will have no effect on Williams' fantasy ouitlook, that is fine, but don't you care about having the news?
Mod squabble... :popcorn:
 
Bumping this thread to see if anyone has news on the Carolina RB situation this week. Probably not since Fox doesn't like to show his hand. Good info that D. Williams was getting the majority of the carries would be welcome news with his nice matchup.
Bad news for those hoping for one back to be the one-back mon. night:Foster likely to start
I couldn't care less about who the "starter" is. Who plays more? Who gets more work?
I provided a piece of news - do you not care about having additional information related to DeAngelo Williams in a DeAngelo Williams thread? Do you feel my statement was incorrect? If Foster starts, will DWill be "the one-back mon. night" or will he be sharing the load?

If you think Foster starting will have no effect on Williams' fantasy ouitlook, that is fine, but don't you care about having the news?
Mod squabble... :popcorn:
Is that the show with Link sportin' the afro?
 
Bumping this thread to see if anyone has news on the Carolina RB situation this week. Probably not since Fox doesn't like to show his hand. Good info that D. Williams was getting the majority of the carries would be welcome news with his nice matchup.
Bad news for those hoping for one back to be the one-back mon. night:Foster likely to start
I couldn't care less about who the "starter" is. Who plays more? Who gets more work?
I provided a piece of news - do you not care about having additional information related to DeAngelo Williams in a DeAngelo Williams thread? Do you feel my statement was incorrect? If Foster starts, will DWill be "the one-back mon. night" or will he be sharing the load?

If you think Foster starting will have no effect on Williams' fantasy ouitlook, that is fine, but don't you care about having the news?
Mod squabble... :popcorn:
Is that the show with Link sportin' the afro?
:lmao: and Frenchy Fuqua = :no:

when staff disagree on a player we debate - it's part of the board.

 
Bumping this thread to see if anyone has news on the Carolina RB situation this week. Probably not since Fox doesn't like to show his hand. Good info that D. Williams was getting the majority of the carries would be welcome news with his nice matchup.
Bad news for those hoping for one back to be the one-back mon. night:Foster likely to start
I couldn't care less about who the "starter" is. Who plays more? Who gets more work?
I provided a piece of news - do you not care about having additional information related to DeAngelo Williams in a DeAngelo Williams thread? Do you feel my statement was incorrect? If Foster starts, will DWill be "the one-back mon. night" or will he be sharing the load?

If you think Foster starting will have no effect on Williams' fantasy ouitlook, that is fine, but don't you care about having the news?
Mod squabble... :popcorn:
Is that the show with Link sportin' the afro?
:lmao: and Frenchy Fuqua = :no:

when staff disagree on a player we debate - it's part of the board.
debate = calling out and ovvning another mod???
 
:rolleyes: at all y'all for trying to create something that isn't there.

I was genuinely asking the second and third question.

 
I would like to hear BassNBrew's opinion on what he expects to see from Foster/Williams this week.Way I see it Foster is in a cast. Williams has played well so why do the Panthers need to risk Foster being in the lineup while he is limited?
I've been working on a project that has me completely out of circulation. I just found out who won the Thursday nite game and looked at those stats. Haven't heard a local radio report for days. In other words, I have nothing to add of value on this subject.
 

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