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packersfan
Footballguy
"Surprise mutherf....."
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I just watched the episode and this is exactly what I thought. I thought Deb might have gotten the idea to plant evidence for Dexter to find when she was planting evidence to help Dexter.
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
Does Deb (or anyone besides Dexter) know Hannah is a poisoner?Either way, it's just dawning on me what this show is all about, but instead of spilling that I want to ask if you all would consider Dexter a "cold blooded killer"?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I assumed that she popped the pills and crashed her car immediately, with her faculties intact. So, staged. And I wouldn't think she bothered with the drinking the water. Not precise enough.BTW, I don't see how the meds didn't make that bottle of water noticeably cloudy?She would've had to dissolve 4 pills into a full bottle of water (Deb took 2 extra, but only drank half the water). I'd think 4 pills into that bottle of water makes it fairly cloudy.We're talking about a water snob cop, after all.
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attaché case
Footballguy
Her car was upside down in a ditch. If I crash on purpose, I'm hitting a parked car or something where I'm not going to flip over. Too much serious injury risk to flip it. That said, I think the theory holds water.
biggamer3
Footballguy
Whoever said they thought this episode was written by an 11 year old, its true, the writing for this episode was as bad as possible.
The exchange between Deb and Anna was excruciatingly bad, enough to make Matthew Wiener to get his blood pressure rising. "Can we work our differences out?" "Yes.....When you are in jail for the rest of your life"
How in god's name can a detective like that old dude, actually be assisting in an investigation into the Bay Harbor Butcher and with enough circumstantial evidence against Dexter, tip him off that he is the prime suspect once again?
The exchange between Deb and Anna was excruciatingly bad, enough to make Matthew Wiener to get his blood pressure rising. "Can we work our differences out?" "Yes.....When you are in jail for the rest of your life"
How in god's name can a detective like that old dude, actually be assisting in an investigation into the Bay Harbor Butcher and with enough circumstantial evidence against Dexter, tip him off that he is the prime suspect once again?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I assumed he just wanted to screw over the ##### that wrecked his career. I doubt he cares too much about busting his GB's son for killing murderers.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Yeah, I cringe watching good actors have to shovel #### like this. Michael C. Hall was brilliant on Six Feet Under, but I get uncomfortable at times watching him on this show due to the writing. Reminds me of the West Wing cast in the last few seasons, or Damien Lewis and Mandy on Homeland. I applaud them getting exposure and getting paid, but they are worthy of better material.
That said, if it does turn out the Deb poisoned herself and flipped her car to get Hannah, that is a new standard in shark jumping.
That said, if it does turn out the Deb poisoned herself and flipped her car to get Hannah, that is a new standard in shark jumping.
biggamer3
Footballguy
agree, if this is true it makes even Dexter reach a new low. Are you kidding me, Deb finally has a witness to one of the murders, in middle of this investigation she thinks its best to tip over her car just so Dexter might believe her and dump Anna? completely irredeemable if so.I think Michael Hall and Lewis should join up with Keifer Sutherland and Gus Fringe to form an Avengers Style TV show with actual writers capable of writing for them
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I get all the complaints about this show. They are well earned.I don't see how Deb poisoning herself is/would be a new low.'biggamer3 said:
I think it's a perfectly fine storyline. If you just hate the entire Dex/Deb/Hannah triangle, I could see that. But Deb poisoning herself, as part of that whole thing, makes sense to me.
It makes a lot more sense than Hannah doing it.
To me, the most ridiculous part of it is that it didn't immediately occur to Dexter or Hannah that that was a likely possibility.
And that witness was useless. Deb had to know that.
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
Having only seen the first season, which wasn't enough to keep me watching, and then a bit of this season, which is not good, I have no problem believing that. It's almost time for me to drop Showtime. Huff is the only show I've found to be any good. I guess the first season of Weeds was decent.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
I'll admit, I dropped off during the whole "I'm going to talk about gay love while I die" thing. Writing has just gotten beyond stupid and dialogue has always been an issue (Deb might be the most forced, abrasive character in the history of TV), but it's just getting beyond silly now.
Interesting to see what happens in the finale by following this thread.
Interesting to see what happens in the finale by following this thread.
biggamer3
Footballguy
poisoning oneself is one thing, doing it while driving and flipping over car with a potential for killing yourself? that would be as unlikely a scenario to ever occur just so someone would cast doubt on his murderous girlfriend
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I've been the #1 fan of Deb Morgan for quite some time now, so I think I know a thing or two about what she would and wouldn't do.A little car wreck to save her brother and throw a murderous slut in the clink? Not a problem for Deb. That's how she rolls.
I don't think she meant to roll the car though. She's hardcore, so sometimes things just get out of hand.
identikit
Footballguy
I tend to agree with this.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
:facepalm:God I hate that woman. Foul-mouthed, needy ####.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I'd really like to fight you right now.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I like her foul mouth and I have no problem with her character based on the first season and this one, though the incest thing is a bit troubling. Maybe if I had seen the rest of the seasons I'd understand, but there's no way I could sit through them.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Yeah, she gets really awful as the seasons go on.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Rooster
Footballguy
What if it was a failed suicide attempt that she's now taking advantage of? She just found out that Dexter, her closest family and romantic obsession, is a serial killer and his actions violate every value she's ever held dear. She's actively covering up his actions in an attempt to hide it from her direct supervisor, who is on Dexters tracks and bringing this theory to more and more people. She's probably feeling that the more she covers things up, the more complicit she becomes in his scheme and the more likely something else will pop up that needs covered up again. She clearly has a complex about the whole romantically obsessing over her brother thing, she spilled the beans and the feelings weren't exactly returned, instead Dexter chose the person that would hurt her the worst. Debra has had a REALLY bad time this season, her world and everything she values is falling apart. It's not out of the question storyline-wise that this all was too much, she overdosed on her meds purposefully and figured that she'd wreck and die, implicate Hanna (either officially through other planted evidence like the hair in her apartment or via Dexter), save Dexter & Harrison from Hanna. If that was her thinking, her plan may not have worked, but she's resourceful enough to use the situation to her advantage.
Edit: According to Wikipedia, Harry (Deb's Dad) committed suicide, by overdosing on medication. Maybe this isn't such a crazy idea.
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Josie Maran
Footballguy
Deb has been looking much hotter this season for some reason.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Last episode was the first time in eons where I said to myself, "hmm.. that's not bad."
attaché case
Footballguy
Holy filet of ####!!
shadyridr
Footballguy
If you like crooked faces
shadyridr
Footballguy
Well I didnt think of it and I called the doomsday reveal after episode 1
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I really don't think it would be as dumb as the doomsday reveal.The main problem with the doomsday reveal wasn't the reveal itself, it's that we suffered through an entire horrible season to get to it. If it were a good season, it's not as big of a deal. So there's that.
The "it's/he's not real" reveal is always stupid.
Letting it take a couple of episodes for Dexter to figure this out isn't that big of a deal. I agree that it isn't ideal (he would suspect immediately, imo), but it's not a huge deal either.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I'm the opposite. I doubt I ever would've suspected the EJO thing if not for the innerwebs, but I assumed Deb was setting Hannah up as soon as they said she was in an accident.
doowain
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
You guys are nuts. When this show has hit the crapper at times over the years (quite often), Miss Debbie Morgan has been about the only reason to watch.
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Rooster
Footballguy
I'm obviously speculating, but I think "do anything" is equally likely to mean "kill myself and use your MO to frame you" as "put myself in a life-threatening situation where I have little control over the outcome with regard to my life and hope I don't die in the process to frame you." Occam's razor sort of thing I guess. The only thing that would make sense with regard to Deb's character is if she "safely" crashed her car in a place it would be noticed/found and then ingested the water and passed out. I don't think she leaves where she passes out on the highway up to chance and the car looked really roughed up. I also think if they are going with the framing angle, Deb would've pushed an investigation rather than letting Dex do an unofficial one. I'm not saying we have evidence it's a suicide attempt, but I don't think it's out of the question either.'tdoss said:
tdoss
Footballguy
I have never liked her use of vulgarity. Don't get me wrong...I cuss with ever sentence. She just forces every line. Using expletives in weird nonsense places like a grade schooler who just learned a naughty word and wants to impress their friends. You can use expletives like the Smurfs use "Smurf"...but doubling them up and just throwing it around willy nilly with no sense of conviction makes me think she's never really cussed before this show.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
That was pretty awesome.
Some plot holes and logical leaps, as are to be expected with this show, but still a great hour of TV.
Some plot holes and logical leaps, as are to be expected with this show, but still a great hour of TV.
tdoss
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
Funny- I thought this season had turned a corner. Yeah, still some goofy plot things, but overall I thought it was some of the best writing in the show in years. Particularly liked Titus Pulo's character and that interaction in the bar with Dexter was some of the best all-around I've seen from the show. Kind of the antithesis of Homeland which had the eye-rolling moments Dexter always has, but with some lazy/bad writing to hack it up even worse.
But for me, Homeland did a great job closing out the year and setting up the next season, while Dexter felt pretty disappointing. Didn't buy Deb shooting Laguerta as there's so much evidence putting her at the scene (I'm sure they'll play it off as Laguerta acting "insane" and stalking Dexter while trying to set him up with Deb having to go along with the story). Didn't buy the whole mostly poisoning myself and getting away from police custody Hannah. I dunno. But I'll still catch the last season next year- wth.
But for me, Homeland did a great job closing out the year and setting up the next season, while Dexter felt pretty disappointing. Didn't buy Deb shooting Laguerta as there's so much evidence putting her at the scene (I'm sure they'll play it off as Laguerta acting "insane" and stalking Dexter while trying to set him up with Deb having to go along with the story). Didn't buy the whole mostly poisoning myself and getting away from police custody Hannah. I dunno. But I'll still catch the last season next year- wth.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I thought it blew chunks.
Just the fact that Dexter went straight to killing LaGuerta as a solution flies in the face of everything that came before. He's had his back up against the wall plenty of times before and never went there.
The Hannah escape was ridiculous. She was being held for murder 1, they would have had guards at the least. Not to mention that they don't take felony suspects out through the spectators in a courtroom for the very reason depicted.
Of course none of those rises to the unbelievability of Deb pulling the trigger. It kind of ruins the series for me that they've gone there. I doubt I'll watch the final season.
Just the fact that Dexter went straight to killing LaGuerta as a solution flies in the face of everything that came before. He's had his back up against the wall plenty of times before and never went there.
The Hannah escape was ridiculous. She was being held for murder 1, they would have had guards at the least. Not to mention that they don't take felony suspects out through the spectators in a courtroom for the very reason depicted.
Of course none of those rises to the unbelievability of Deb pulling the trigger. It kind of ruins the series for me that they've gone there. I doubt I'll watch the final season.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I won't go to great lengths to defend it, but I liked it.This is Dexter. There's just a certain amount of ridiculousness that's to be expected. As long as I'm not expecting truly great show, I find it often quite entertaining. A lot like SOA, I guess.Anyway, I didn't see killing LaGuerta as flying in the face of what we know about Dexter. He kept refusing to kill Doakes, but we still don't know what he would've ultimately done (he certainly wasn't going to let Doakes throw him in jail). Even if the crazy brit lit the match, Dexter really killed Doakes. His confliction about Doakes was really the silly part. Not killing LaGuerta. Expecting a serial killer to have a code when it comes to people threatening to throw him in jail is also silly. Of course, Dexter is going to kill for his freedom.Isn't this always what the show was always heading towards?He started as a super hero of sorts, with a code, but there's no way that could last. Trying to maintain his freedom would be too difficult without killing.As with everything in life, you start with reasonable rationalizations for certain behaviors and over time, your rationalizations get far more creative and grey. I'm not sure what I think about Deb killing LaGuerta. Seems ridiculous, but jail for both of them really was the only other option. They wanted to get Deb deeper in this and I think, in general, killing LaGuerta does make some sense. It makes next season more interesting. Not that the way it played out wasn't severely flawed:-Does LaGuerta's subpoena of the retroactive Deb/Dex cellphone tracking just disappear now? They intercept it? Is that sort of thing even possible?-If Miami PD is tracking all cars on the police force, as they were doing with LaGuerta, Deb's pretty much ####ed.-Deb using her own gun was, of course, nuts. -A bullet wound over a knife wound isn't going to fool anyone, is it?Eh, anyway, I liked it, severe flaws and all.'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Agreed. I found myself actually arguing with my eyes.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Agreed. It's always forced."Lieutenant, you're not going to believe this. We got those fingerprint analysis results back, and guess what? A match for Isaak Sirko."
"Holy pair of dangling, sweaty #### !"
"And there's more..."
"More ?! #### me in the ### with a severed, frozen goat #### !!!!!"
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Michael Brown
Footballguy
Look, after the complete and utter crap that was the two previous seasons, I can deal with plot holes galore. At least the show is back to being entertaining as hell. If you're expecting Shakespeare level writing, this probably isn't the show for you. It's always had campy dialogue and forced viewers to stretch the limits of believability. This just in -- not every show has to be the best and most well-written show in the history of television. This season's comeback was more surprising than if ARod went out and hit 40 home runs next season, and I was thoroughly entertained from beginning to end.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
She's been tan and her makeup has been done well. She looked good in the dress. I've never found her ugly, she just has unique facial features.So wait, this show has yet another season coming? I thought this was the series finale.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Rooster
Footballguy
I give shows like this a lot of leeway, but I thought a major part of this season was Dexter finally realizing that the code was just an excuse. He doesn't do this out of a sense of justice, like Deb, he does this because he needs to and "the code" was his attempt to rationalize the need. I think Dexter has evolved from a meticulous guy to someone who has taken a lot of shortcuts and made mistakes that needed to be covered up, they're stacking on each other to the point where Deb has to help get him out of the fire and now Deb is caught up as well. He's also evolved from a borderline good guy because of the code to a guy who is doing a lot of negotiation with himself (through visions of his father) on pushing the grey areas of the code and this season, through Hanna, he seems to have embraced the fact that he is who he is. It started with Hanna questioning the "Dark Passenger" philosophy and ended with him parroting the "Creepy F#@#" line from Doakes before killing Estrada, because he's embracing the "real" side that Doakes saw. Breaking the code to cover up his sloppiness and protect Deb falls perfectly in line with the journey his character has been on this season.'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
This I agree with, from the time he killed Estrada to the end was sort of off for me. LaGuerta showing up alone seems odd, given that everyone thinks she's framing Dexter you'd think she'd want a witness to confirm whatever she finds & reports isn't seen as another set up attempt. LaGuerta wouldn't have gone in that shipping container without exploring all the corners of it first and I'm not sure Dexter could've snuck that far in to inject her without her hearing. Deb stumbles upon the scene and draws a gun on Dex, I understood in the church, but I'd think we're past that now. Deb killing LaGuerta seems out of character, I'd prefer she have run off and let Dex complete his journey (Then we have the "Did Dex finally go too far for Deb?" story going into next season). Killing LaGuerta with her own gun means a lot more explaining/covering up coming along with the explaining/covering up coming from the warrant for the GPS on Deb/Dex's phone. The story probably goes that Deb arrives at the scene with LaGuerta over a dead Estrada and getting ready t shoot Dex, where Deb intervenes and saves her brother. I also didn't really understand Deb getting down to hug LaGuerta after shooting her. Maybe she really liked LaGuerta even after how poorly LaGuerta treated her throughout the series and even though she threatened her so recently, but that complicates the story later too. I think this was what the "I'll do ANYTHING to protect Dexter" line with Hanna was really foreshadowing, but I think it unnecessarily complicates the story and doesn't really fit in nicely with what we know about the characters so far. I'll definitely watch the next season to see if they can pull it together, I wasn't disappointed with the finale, but I thought the last few minutes didn't pull together well but maybe they have something in store next season that makes it a little clearer.'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
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