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***Official Dexter Thread*** (2 Viewers)

Vogel turning on her son because she saw him kill Zach made no sense. He kept asking for help and her and Dexter kept referencing that they couldn't stop his urge to kill. Why wouldn't she just do what she did for Dexter and teach him to kill bad guys? He even asked for as much (not to mention that Zach was a killer himself). Not to mention that she's worked with killers all her life and always protected them.

Dexter kills people, it's ok I'll just teach him to kill bad guys.

Zach kills people, it's ok I'll just teach him to kill bad guys.

My son kills people, omg he has to be taken out.

Do they just get different writers every week and give them a quick 10 second overview of what's been going on?

 
The Edward James Olmos twist was obvious early on (I still take pride in the fact I was the first to predict that in this thread and right after episode 1 of that season aired) but that was still a fun season.
That season was such a waste. Forget that it had probably the most ridiculous unbelievable stuff of any season, but the whole season was completely unnecessary. They should have just had Deb pull back the curtain at the end of season 5 when they were actually building up to Deb finding out (she got closer and closer all year, talked about how she was OK with the girl killing the bad guys for revenge, etc). That's where it would have made sense. Instead they wussed out and just kind of jammed it into the back end of season 6 without any supporting stuff around it.

The end of season 5 really signaled the end for this show more than anything else. That's when the writers lost their balls. Previously we had main characters dying off, Dex being kind of outed, etc. They were building up to more of that with Quinn on Dexter's trail and Deb getting close to finding out, then they backed off all of it in one outrageous cop-out of an episode. They've never even re-visted Quinn's doubts about Dexter for a second of screen time. They've been best buds since then.

 
Vogel turning on her son because she saw him kill Zach made no sense. He kept asking for help and her and Dexter kept referencing that they couldn't stop his urge to kill. Why wouldn't she just do what she did for Dexter and teach him to kill bad guys? He even asked for as much (not to mention that Zach was a killer himself). Not to mention that she's worked with killers all her life and always protected them.

Dexter kills people, it's ok I'll just teach him to kill bad guys.

Zach kills people, it's ok I'll just teach him to kill bad guys.

My son kills people, omg he has to be taken out.

Do they just get different writers every week and give them a quick 10 second overview of what's been going on?
pretty much this

 
Last episode was really bad.

Writing isn't even trying.
Me and the Wife turned it on when we got home last night. Fell asleep within ~10 minutes. I wake up to "Not Harrison!" (My wife screamed it). I ask what's going on. She says, "oh did you fall asleep? Want me to rewind it so you can see what you missed?"

"No, I'm ok" Turned over and went back to sleep. Best decision ever. Now I'm not disappointed by yet another Dexter episode and I got an extra hour of sleep.

 
The Edward James Olmos twist was obvious early on (I still take pride in the fact I was the first to predict that in this thread and right after episode 1 of that season aired) but that was still a fun season.
That season was such a waste. Forget that it had probably the most ridiculous unbelievable stuff of any season, but the whole season was completely unnecessary. They should have just had Deb pull back the curtain at the end of season 5 when they were actually building up to Deb finding out (she got closer and closer all year, talked about how she was OK with the girl killing the bad guys for revenge, etc). That's where it would have made sense. Instead they wussed out and just kind of jammed it into the back end of season 6 without any supporting stuff around it.

The end of season 5 really signaled the end for this show more than anything else. That's when the writers lost their balls. Previously we had main characters dying off, Dex being kind of outed, etc. They were building up to more of that with Quinn on Dexter's trail and Deb getting close to finding out, then they backed off all of it in one outrageous cop-out of an episode. They've never even re-visted Quinn's doubts about Dexter for a second of screen time. They've been best buds since then.
Good point.

That could have been a good follow up and dramatic finish to season 4.

Then spend season 6 MAYBE MAYBE season 7 wrapping it up.

 
Heck, it looks like they get new writers sometime scene by scene. Deb to Ortiz "WTF was that all about with Jamie (implying she wants nothing to do with Quinn romantically). Next scene...Hey let's make her get back with Quinn!

How about how they loosely talk about murder around Harrison all the time?

Or how the kid politely complies with everything they ask? Any parent knows that's BS

Or how Dexter can get anyone to watch his kid at the drop of a hat at all hours except now?

Or how Hannah can manipulate smart and rich and powerful people yet gets flustered by a receptionist?

Or how Dexter sees murders and does murders all the time but somehow thinks he can save Vogel from her throat slash instead of going after Saxon?

 
Don't know if anybody reads them, but here's the AVClub review. I've never enjoyed reading any show review as much as Dexter reviews:

http://www.avclub.com/articles/goodbye-miami,102111/
Given the myriad of crucial flaws plaguing the final season of Dexter, it’s been difficult to pick the superlative among them. But “Goodbye, Miami” solved that problem, making abundantly clear why Dexter missed its opportunity to close strong by such a wide margin. The issue is a complete absence of sensible, or even identifiable character motivations for the actions that are most central to the plot.

In a comment I appended to my review of “Make Your Own Kind Of Music,” I noted the same issue. Reasons for Dexter to care about killing Oliver Saxon, when he clearly has bigger priorities now, sprayed like drops of blood in one of the show’s messier crime scenes. Dexter has to kill Saxon because he’s a killer and killers kill people. No, wait. Dexter has to kill Saxon because Saxon poses a threat to Vogel. Oh, but also Dexter has to kill Saxon because Saxon kills innocent people, and no one is allowed to do that except for Dexter and Debra Morgan. Hold up though, because Saxon also killed Zach Harrison, which according to Hannah and nothing else we’ve seen or heard, was very upsetting to Dexter because he and Zach were very close.

In that episode, the inscrutability of Dexter’s motivations wasn’t quite so conspicuous as so many other ridiculous moments pulled focus from it. But now it’s impossible to ignore, so much so that even the Dexter writing team couldn’t completely overlook the glaring deficiencies here. Because at this point, Dexter is pretty much home free. He’s gotten away with murder literally hundreds of times, he’s reconnected with his sister, the love of his life has drifted back in and is ready to start a new life with him far, far away in a new sandbox, one he hasn’t buried turds in. But it’s not time yet, he insists to a baffled Hannah, who doesn’t understand the point of waiting when she’s being actively pursued by law enforcement.

Why? Because again, Dexter just has to kill Saxon first. Not to avenge Zach anymore, because whatever. Because it’s a compulsion of his, and because Saxon poses a threat to Vogel. Hannah is confused at first, but she wants a fresh start when they get to Argentina, so, being the supportive serial-killing girlfriend she is, she backs his play. But there’s no discussion of what “fresh start” means, exactly. Is the idea that Saxon is Dexter’s “one final score,” the homicide equivalent of the big bank job in a heist story? Is Dexter going to stop killing once they arrive in Argentina? How would he deal with his compulsion once they arrive? There’s no discussion of any of this, just a brief flick at Hannah questioning Dexter’s thought process before concluding, as everyone in this show does, that Dexter’s ways are not like our own, and his wisdom must never be questioned.

One would think, though, that at the very least, Vogel would be able to dissuade Dexter from staying in Miami any longer than he needs to. After all, Saxon is her son, and shouldn’t she have the right to proceed with him as she sees fit? Does she not have the right to allow someone into her life because she loves him, even though he might bring chaos raining down on her? Isn’t that exactly what Dexter has tacitly asked of everyone around him time after time after time? When Vogel implores Dexter not to use her as an excuse to kill her son, it’s a perfectly legitimate request, given the circumstances. Saxon hasn’t once demonstrated a desire to hurt Vogel, and if he wanted her dead, he could have certainly accomplished that by now.

Still, Dexter can’t be talked out of it, especially after seeing video of a gleeful Saxon cutting Zach’s head open. (Footage he obtained using the Magical IP Address Computer Hack Software, new from the genius minds that created the Age Progress-O-Matic Suite.) It would be downright selfish to leave Vogel with Saxon, Dexter concludes, because she’s in danger. Granted, his response to Debra when she accused him of selfishness after he informed her of the Argentina plan was basically “Oh...well...yeah...I’ll come visit though!”

And Debra’s safety has never been mentioned as a potential reason for killing Saxon, even though, as another Morgan child that got sympathy and counseling that Saxon feels was unfairly withheld from him, it stands to reason that Saxon poses a far greater risk to Deb’s safety than Vogel’s. With an absence of remotely logical reasons why Dexter wouldn’t be on the first thing smoking out of Miami, the writers are tossing handfuls of spaghetti at the wall hoping something, anything sticks.

When all else fails, it’s time to trot out Ghost Harry to urge Dexter that killing Saxon before leaving Miami is the only possible option. This is the choice that frustrated me about this episode most of all, I’d say, because it’s just insulting. To suggest that Dexter is doing what he feels like doing, and who gives a damn what sense it makes and who might get hurt in the process, that’s not okay either, but it’s what Dexter has been doing since its inception, so it’s at least expected. But to have Ghost Harry so deeply invested in Dexter dealing with Saxon before leaving Miami completes the process of making Ghost Harry make absolutely no sense whatsoever, a process I incorrectly thought was finished a couple seasons back.

At this point, Ghost Harry has no connection to the thoughts or feelings of any real or imagined person on the show. He’s certainly not a manifestation of the actual Harry, or of the Dark Passenger, or of Dexter’s conscious, or Dexter’s id, or...anything at all really. He’s a prop to trot out when the writers need another way to beat the audience over the head with the nonsense they’re trying to pass off as competent storytelling. It’s really too bad.

Then, after an hour of puttering around in which Dexter gives his notice to a not-terribly-beat-up Batista, Quinn dumps Jamie, and Harrison slices his face open, the episode culminates with Dexter rushing to save Vogel from Saxon but arriving moments too late, and being forced to watch as Saxon gives her the ol’ Catelynn Stark. Because this show is so, so, so ####### stupid, I can only assume that what happens next is that Dexter really has to capture Saxon, because he blames himself for Vogel’s death. He should absolutely blame himself for Vogel’s death, but this show will never be honest about why he should blame himself.

I just know Dexter will be all “I was torn between two worlds, the manic pixie dream serial killer that represents my future, and the pretend mother that represents my past, and my hesitation in vanquishing Saxon resulted in her death.” Here’s the problem with that: Saxon, who again, never posed a direct threat to Vogel, said again and again that what he wanted from Vogel was to be chosen. To be helped and rehabilitated like Dexter, like Debra, like Zach. To be made into a biological child she could love as much as she loves her spiritual children.

There’s absolutely no reason to believe Vogel couldn’t have succeeded at doing so, had she been given the opportunity to try. But because Dexter must always get what he wants, the writers will keep trying to convince us that Dexter needed to stay in Miami to protect Vogel, when in fact, the only thing endangering Vogel was Dexter’s outright refusal to stop insinuating himself between Vogel and Saxon. Saxon being on the loose wasn’t a reason for Dexter to stay, it was all the more reason for him to leave. Yet another conspicuous hole that will never be paved over in this disaster of a season.

The only thing that got a plus hung onto this grade is the interplay between Charlotte Rampling and Darri Ingolfsson, as their duets provided the only few moments of respite in what was otherwise a torrential downpour of stupidity. Despite all of the nonsense going on with the Dexter part of Dexter, there’s some credibility and some tragedy to Oliver/Daniel, and Ingolfsson’s performance, while a bit hammy at times, sold the idea of the character quite well. When he’s paired with Rampling, the only defensible part of this season, it was easy to forget, in flickers, that I was watching the show I was watching. Alas, there was always something there to remind me.

Stray observations:

  • Miami Metro roundup: Angie Miller sighting! Masuka’s daughter is a pothead! Quinn and Deb are a thing again! I should stop using exclamation points sarcastically, it isn’t fair to punctuation.
  • Clayton is closing in on Hannah, thanks to Harrison’s ER visit.
  • I’m convinced the Hamilton Family is paying Matthews, or they have a videotape of him doing something that involves a ball gag, because it seems like his only job is doing favors for them.
  • The editing in the Harrison Gets Hurt scene made me laugh so hard I had to rewind it like seven times.
  • Dexter listed “See Astor and Cody one last time” in his list of things to do before he leaves Miami. Dude, just ghost. Leave poor Astor and Cody alone, for Christ’s sake.
  • Funny nonsense from Deb while talking to Clayton: “I don’t keep up with Dexter’s dating life.” ...17 seconds later, “If Dexter was dating Hannah McKay again, I’d ####in’ know about it.”
  • For those who were absolutely beside themselves about the episode numbering, the issue has been fixed.
 
Clearly, the old lady bought some of Masuka's sperm.

She's a 3rd kid they haven't mentioned yet. The one dude is really here for her. Only the DNA from Masuka made her the most dangerous, bad-### serial killer of all, and she kills him. Topless.

 
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I just watched the most recent episode. It seemed like it lasted three hours. I kept looking at the clock, wishing it were over already.

How many more episodes are we supposed to endure? If it's more than two, I might just thrown in the towel. Although, as with Lost, it's hard to give up right at the end after coming so, so far.

 
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I just watched the most recent episode. It seemed like it lasted three hours. I kept looking at the clock, wishing it were over already.

How many more episodes are we supposed to endure? If it's more than two, I might just thrown in the towel. Although, as with Lost, it's hard to give up right at the end after coming so, so far.
I'm out. I'll get recaps for the next two episodes and I'll watch the finale. Probably.

 
I'm still enjoying the show. I long since stopped hoping it would regain the greatness of the first four seasons. So my expectations have been lowered and perhaps that's why I'm enjoying it more than most people here seem to.

 
I'm still enjoying the show. I long since stopped hoping it would regain the greatness of the first four seasons. So my expectations have been lowered and perhaps that's why I'm enjoying it more than most people here seem to.
It has gotten so silly that at this point, I'm actually rooting for the happy/clean ending.

Season 4's ending would have been the perfect "tragic / full circle" sendoff. But they kept going and made him a superhero, so fine, let's send the three of them off to Argentina after a few more sloppy/near-miss moments.

 
Harrison falling on the treadmill, forcing Hannah to go out in public seems so incredibly contrived, even for this show. Random FBI guy who has been on screen about 1 minute total being the biggest threat to Dexter (aside from possibly OH LOOK VOGEL HAS A SON WHO SHOWED UP WEEKS AGO AND HE'S A KILLER guy)... Would it be that hard, especially given how last season ended to have

- Batista be super suspicious given Maria's death

- Quinn remember he used to the think Dexter was a killer

- Matthews to realize Maria was a killer then they went to the same spot and now she's dead.

I just don't understand why they have these new characters who have been around for 3 episodes as their means of "upping the stakes" when there are so many past threads they could have picked up to make a somewhat compelling season.

I believe this is now the worst show on TV.

I don't know what the protocol is in talking about the previews for future weeks, but it looks like there's an even bigger/more cliche external plot contrivance coming up in the next week or two.

Oh no, a hurricane, we can't leave Miami
 
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Hannah is the only reason I'm not throwing my remote at the TV. I wasthisclose when she "had" to taken Harrison to the hospital for a chin gash.

 
I don't know what the protocol is in talking about the previews for future weeks, but it looks like there's an even bigger/more cliche external plot contrivance coming up in the next week or two.

Oh no, a hurricane, we can't leave Miami
Especially when the hurricane will be used as the vehicle to have the remains of all of Dexter's victims wash up on shore.
 
Harrison falling on the treadmill, forcing Hannah to go out in public seems so incredibly contrived, even for this show. Random FBI guy who has been on screen about 1 minute total being the biggest threat to Dexter (aside from possibly OH LOOK VOGEL HAS A SON WHO SHOWED UP WEEKS AGO AND HE'S A KILLER guy)... Would it be that hard, especially given how last season ended to have

- Batista be super suspicious given Maria's death

- Quinn remember he used to the think Dexter was a killer

- Matthews to realize Maria was a killer then they went to the same spot and now she's dead.

I just don't understand why they have these new characters who have been around for 3 episodes as their means of "upping the stakes" when there are so many past threads they could have picked up to make a somewhat compelling season.

I believe this is now the worst show on TV.

I don't know what the protocol is in talking about the previews for future weeks, but it looks like there's an even bigger/more cliche external plot contrivance coming up in the next week or two.

Oh no, a hurricane, we can't leave Miami
Very good points.

New characters being right here at the end at the most important part of this show leaves me with no emotional connection to these people.

Batista or even Quinn being involved here on to Dexter would have been the play.

I suppose they didn't want to go down this road again?

Dokes, Laguerta, Quinn etc...but Batista would have been perfect.

-He is a like-able character

-his daughter is at play here and could have played a crucial role

-his involvement with laguerta, going through her old files, and eventually wanting to avenge her

 
I don't know what the protocol is in talking about the previews for future weeks, but it looks like there's an even bigger/more cliche external plot contrivance coming up in the next week or two.

Oh no, a hurricane, we can't leave Miami
Especially when the hurricane will be used as the vehicle to have the remains of all of Dexter's victims wash up on shore.
Can SOOO see this as the final scene.

 
I don't know what the protocol is in talking about the previews for future weeks, but it looks like there's an even bigger/more cliche external plot contrivance coming up in the next week or two.

Oh no, a hurricane, we can't leave Miami
Especially when the hurricane will be used as the vehicle to have the remains of all of Dexter's victims wash up on shore.
I would regain all my respect for this show if

the hurricane causes massive flooding with SHARKS(!) everywhere, and Ian Ziering joins forces with Dexter to put all the sharks on a giant kill-table.
 
I hate this show so much yet I still won't click the spoiler tags. Something must be wrong with me.
they arent spoilers
On most shows, they wouldn't be, but the Dexter writers might be reading this thread to get ideas for the ending.
:lmao:

Just read them. Please make this show be over soon. How long until we get the brain monologue "is this the end? Have I finally been caught? Where did I go wrong?"

 
Harrison falling on the treadmill, forcing Hannah to go out in public seems so incredibly contrived, even for this show. Random FBI guy who has been on screen about 1 minute total being the biggest threat to Dexter (aside from possibly OH LOOK VOGEL HAS A SON WHO SHOWED UP WEEKS AGO AND HE'S A KILLER guy)... Would it be that hard, especially given how last season ended to have

- Batista be super suspicious given Maria's death

- Quinn remember he used to the think Dexter was a killer

- Matthews to realize Maria was a killer then they went to the same spot and now she's dead.

I just don't understand why they have these new characters who have been around for 3 episodes as their means of "upping the stakes" when there are so many past threads they could have picked up to make a somewhat compelling season.

I believe this is now the worst show on TV.

I don't know what the protocol is in talking about the previews for future weeks, but it looks like there's an even bigger/more cliche external plot contrivance coming up in the next week or two.

Oh no, a hurricane, we can't leave Miami
It's amazing how Breaking Bad is doing this part so right and Dexter is doing it so wrong.

 
It's just aggravating to watch this now. I don't care about Vogul and her son at all. They write this as if there's another season coming. It should have been all about Dexter, maybe have Deb die and he goes off the deep end in a killing spree before getting taken down. Something, anything. Just so boring now.

 
It's just aggravating to watch this now. I don't care about Vogul and her son at all. They write this as if there's another season coming. It should have been all about Dexter, maybe have Deb die and he goes off the deep end in a killing spree before getting taken down. Something, anything. Just so boring now.
Yeah it's stupid. Watching Breaking Bad and its all about who will find out and what will be Walt's downfall. In this, there's no hint that anyone will find out Dexters dropped bodies for years. It's just meh. Am I supposed to care about him moving out of the country? Is that really what all these seasons have built up to?

 
Everyone jokes about them changing writers but is that actually true? Did they get a new showrunner or something? Im trying to figure out how a show can be so awesome for the first 4 seasons and so horrible for the last 4.

 

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