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How Schefter say it exists with any certainty and then claim he hasn't seen it?
maybe he got to the see the screenshots?

just a shot in the dark... no idea.
Something is not adding up. How do you work on a story about a video you haven't seen? If he had seen screenshots, it was within the last few days--not in September.

This is crazy.
especially since he mentions the amount of time/work/resources that have gone into this story.

something is not adding up, but it sounds monsterous.
Working on it could mean anything... He hears a rumor, makes a few calls. That's it.
Just because the public doesnt know about it doesnt mean others are not working on something.
Absolutely... I was just saying that "working on it" could mean any number of things and doesn't necessarily he's been sitting on a story.

 
This could be the next Aaron Hernandez story....

or it could be nothing. Since it is the offseason, lets go with Aaron Hernandez. Much more fun.

Over/Under on people murdered in said video?

 
Here's how I think this will play out, for what it's worth....

Schefter has been working up the story, but doesn't know if she should go public with it as he may have to reveal his sources. He releases the story, gets sued by Dez and loses a libel case - and is sentenced to 3 months in jail. He's then hired by a billionaire, lets cal him Mr. Snyder, to do so investigative work about his family history - with the promise to Schefter of evidence against Bryant proving his story was in fact correct.

Schefter will be assisted by a odd looking younger girl that has ties to both the Giants and Steeler organizations. They'll copulate, and he'll earn his respect back in the field - with a few twists and turns along the way.

 
Here's how I think this will play out, for what it's worth....

Schefter has been working up the story, but doesn't know if she should go public with it as he may have to reveal his sources. He releases the story, gets sued by Dez and loses a libel case - and is sentenced to 3 months in jail. He's then hired by a billionaire, lets cal him Mr. Snyder, to do so investigative work about his family history - with the promise to Schefter of evidence against Bryant proving his story was in fact correct.

Schefter will be assisted by a odd looking younger girl that has ties to both the Giants and Steeler organizations. They'll copulate, and he'll earn his respect back in the field - with a few twists and turns along the way.H
Sounds like a multi-million dollar hollywood movie idea to me. Let's get David Fincher to direct this, maybe.

 
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If he gets punished for something he did in 2011, and it is something that goes NOWHERE in court, this might be enough for me to get pretty close to the edge of just not paying attention to the NFL anymore.

 
Oh yeah, I know I said this years back, but his mama deserved to be slapped. Can't say I fault a guy for slapping a crackhead prostitute mother. Pretty sure she wasn't the best growing up.

Anyway, enough on that.

:popcorn: WIth the rest of ya.

 
If he gets punished for something he did in 2011, and it is something that goes NOWHERE in court, this might be enough for me to get pretty close to the edge of just not paying attention to the NFL anymore.
I gotta agree, this is straight up blackmail.
Calvin Johnson is caught on camera selling heroin back in 2004, banned for a year. I can see it now.

Peyton Manning slaps a baby, caught on tape back in 1997, banned for a year.

 
If he gets punished for something he did in 2011, and it is something that goes NOWHERE in court, this might be enough for me to get pretty close to the edge of just not paying attention to the NFL anymore.
I gotta agree, this is straight up blackmail.
That and frankly, the court system did nothing with Rice. His NFL punishment was just absurd.

People get upset when the NFL doesnt punish enough, yet our legal system (ya know, that thing that actually MATTERS) did nothing.

 
VarsityBlues123 said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
VarsityBlues123 said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
VarsityBlues123 said:
the Desean Jackson stuff was real
No, it wasn't.
Yes it was.

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/03/eagles_desean_jackson_off-the-field_troubles.html

Rather, sources close to Jackson and within the Eagles' organization say, it originally was Jackson's off-field behavior that concerned the front office. A bad attitude, an inconsistent work ethic, missed meetings and a lack of chemistry with head coach Chip Kelly were the original reasons for his fall from grace, sources told NJ.com.

Then, suddenly, the Eagles had even more serious concerns when they were revealed by NJ.com -- Jackson's continued association with reputed Los Angeles street gang members who have been connected to two homicides since 2010.
You have a strange definition of truth. Anonymous sources spilling to NJ.com, wow!
Aren't most people who uncover things that they dont want to be outed for called anonymous sources? If you think his gang ties did not have anything to do with him leaving the Eagles that is your choice. There is video evidence of him throwing gang signs up and as I mentioned in my original post before you deleted most of it so other can take it out of context I said:

VarsityBlues123 said:
Doesnt matter what anyone thinks because until a video surfaces its all gossip. the Desean Jackson stuff was real but flashing gang signs is different then actual violence which I am only assuming would be on the alleged video based off the "5x" worse comments. it has to be a violent or highly illegal act if a video exists for it to cause this issue. lets say a video exists of him hitting his mom that would be a career changer for him and the cowboys as in maybe no more Dez in the NFL.
So I blatantly said gang signs is different from actual violence and made it clear is said "gang signs."

Video of Jackson throwing up gang signs.

I just copied those gang signs with my hands because I thought it was cool, do I have gang ties now?

 
I recall hearing a similar story related to Brandon Marshall last season, where his former girlfriend was threatening to release some type of evidence of his domestic violence case when he was in Miami in order to hurt his career. This could be an issue going forward for players going forward, a looming threat of some skeleton being dug up from the past and trying to bury them in the court of public opinion.

 
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If he gets punished for something he did in 2011, and it is something that goes NOWHERE in court, this might be enough for me to get pretty close to the edge of just not paying attention to the NFL anymore.
I gotta agree, this is straight up blackmail.
That and frankly, the court system did nothing with Rice. His NFL punishment was just absurd.

People get upset when the NFL doesnt punish enough, yet our legal system (ya know, that thing that actually MATTERS) did nothing.
but

to change the legal system we need to change, well #### the laws and enforcement in every municipality in the country

to change the nfl we need the comish, 32 owners, and the union

one goal is more admirable, the other more attainable

 
I recall hearing a similar story related to Brandon Marshall, where his former girlfriend was threatening him to release some type of evidence of his domestic violence case several years ago in order to hurt his career. This could be an issue going forward for players going forward, a looming threat of some skeleton being dug up from the past and trying to bury them in the court of public opinion.
well

unless you are not caught on tape doing something illegal/stupid

 
I recall hearing a similar story related to Brandon Marshall, where his former girlfriend was threatening him to release some type of evidence of his domestic violence case several years ago in order to hurt his career. This could be an issue going forward for players going forward, a looming threat of some skeleton being dug up from the past and trying to bury them in the court of public opinion.
well

unless you are not caught on tape doing something illegal/stupid
Sure, but given the popularity of smartphones these days, it will not be as hard to dig up video on someone if they do something stupid.

 
I recall hearing a similar story related to Brandon Marshall, where his former girlfriend was threatening him to release some type of evidence of his domestic violence case several years ago in order to hurt his career. This could be an issue going forward for players going forward, a looming threat of some skeleton being dug up from the past and trying to bury them in the court of public opinion.
well

unless you are not caught on tape doing something illegal/stupid
Sure, but given the popularity of smartphones these days, it will not be as hard to dig up video on someone if they do something stupid.
you can follow me around with an army of smart phones and you won't find me pulling a Ray Rice

you may catch me singing the frozen soundtrack or staring wistfully at Brad Pitt, but that's about it. There's a real simple way to not get caught on video hitting a woman...

 
I think the issue is the video most likely shows Dez doing something to someone. And who it is may be the issue (and how old the person might be). Not sure media people want to comment on things that could be illegal, might need permission to release, or could get them sued.

 
I recall hearing a similar story related to Brandon Marshall, where his former girlfriend was threatening him to release some type of evidence of his domestic violence case several years ago in order to hurt his career. This could be an issue going forward for players going forward, a looming threat of some skeleton being dug up from the past and trying to bury them in the court of public opinion.
well

unless you are not caught on tape doing something illegal/stupid
Sure, but given the popularity of smartphones these days, it will not be as hard to dig up video on someone if they do something stupid.
you can follow me around with an army of smart phones and you won't find me pulling a Ray Rice

you may catch me singing the frozen soundtrack or staring wistfully at Brad Pitt, but that's about it. There's a real simple way to not get caught on video hitting a woman...
Ummm you misunderstand what I'm saying. I know most people don't do things like what Ray Rice did. I'm just saying that if you believe a player is an idiot, then a video of them doing idiotic things is likely to pop up at some point.

 
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If he gets punished for something he did in 2011, and it is something that goes NOWHERE in court, this might be enough for me to get pretty close to the edge of just not paying attention to the NFL anymore.
I gotta agree, this is straight up blackmail.
That and frankly, the court system did nothing with Rice. His NFL punishment was just absurd.

People get upset when the NFL doesnt punish enough, yet our legal system (ya know, that thing that actually MATTERS) did nothing.
but

to change the legal system we need to change, well #### the laws and enforcement in every municipality in the country

to change the nfl we need the comish, 32 owners, and the union

one goal is more admirable, the other more attainable
No idea where you are going with that, other than it appears you are saying "companies should just do whatever they want".

In which case, sure, I guess.

 
I recall hearing a similar story related to Brandon Marshall, where his former girlfriend was threatening him to release some type of evidence of his domestic violence case several years ago in order to hurt his career. This could be an issue going forward for players going forward, a looming threat of some skeleton being dug up from the past and trying to bury them in the court of public opinion.
well

unless you are not caught on tape doing something illegal/stupid
Sure, but given the popularity of smartphones these days, it will not be as hard to dig up video on someone if they do something stupid.
Or the cameras on glasses, shirts, hats...............

Gonna be professional athlete chaser blackmailers out there soon enough, if there isn't already

 
I recall hearing a similar story related to Brandon Marshall, where his former girlfriend was threatening him to release some type of evidence of his domestic violence case several years ago in order to hurt his career. This could be an issue going forward for players going forward, a looming threat of some skeleton being dug up from the past and trying to bury them in the court of public opinion.
well

unless you are not caught on tape doing something illegal/stupid
Sure, but given the popularity of smartphones these days, it will not be as hard to dig up video on someone if they do something stupid.
you can follow me around with an army of smart phones and you won't find me pulling a Ray Rice

you may catch me singing the frozen soundtrack or staring wistfully at Brad Pitt, but that's about it. There's a real simple way to not get caught on video hitting a woman...
The horror. The.........horror.

 
So if this incident happened four years ago and a video comes out now, does everyone think he should be thrown to the wolves? Let's say he hit a woman multiple times. That is awful, of course. Having said that, Texas statute of limitations on assault and battery is two years (I think, according to some Google link). So he cannot be prosecuted. And the NFL domestic violence policy is about six months old. He should be punished now for something he did fours years ago? If so, at what point does one not get punished? What if Tom Brady beat up some girl he was seeing in 2008 and a video comes out? Should he also get punished now? Curious to hear what people think.
I don't want to go all "lawyer" on you "Leroy" (*cough*!), but one of the primary reasons there are statutes of limitations is that after a given amount of time, witness testimony is deemed unreliable due to the possibility of memory lapse. But if there is a video, memory-shmemory. All bets are off. The courts will still be barred from penalizing him (unless the video shows a crime for which there is no statute, e.g., murder, rape or possibly crimes against minors), but the league won't be. Nor should it.

 
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So if this incident happened four years ago and a video comes out now, does everyone think he should be thrown to the wolves? Let's say he hit a woman multiple times. That is awful, of course. Having said that, Texas statute of limitations on assault and battery is two years (I think, according to some Google link). So he cannot be prosecuted. And the NFL domestic violence policy is about six months old. He should be punished now for something he did fours years ago? If so, at what point does one not get punished? What if Tom Brady beat up some girl he was seeing in 2008 and a video comes out? Should he also get punished now? Curious to hear what people think.
I don't want to go all "lawyer" on you "Leroy" (*cough*!), but one of the primary reasons there are statutes of limitations is that after a given amount of time, witness testimony is deemed unreliable due to the possibility of memory lapse. But if there is a video, memory-shmemory. All bets are off. The courts will still be barred from penalizing him (unless the video shows a crime for which there is no statute, e.g., murder, rape or possibly crimes against minors), but the league won't be. Nor should it.
He can't handle the truth!!!!!!!

 
So if this incident happened four years ago and a video comes out now, does everyone think he should be thrown to the wolves? Let's say he hit a woman multiple times. That is awful, of course. Having said that, Texas statute of limitations on assault and battery is two years (I think, according to some Google link). So he cannot be prosecuted. And the NFL domestic violence policy is about six months old. He should be punished now for something he did fours years ago? If so, at what point does one not get punished? What if Tom Brady beat up some girl he was seeing in 2008 and a video comes out? Should he also get punished now? Curious to hear what people think.
I don't want to go all "lawyer" on you "Leroy" (*cough*!), but one of the primary reasons there are statutes of limitations is that after a given amount of time, witness testimony is deemed unreliable due to the possibility of memory lapse. But if there is a video, outside of the court system, the memory factor is generally moot and all bets are off. The courts might be barred from penalizing him, but the league won't be. Nor should it.
To make sure I understand, is it your contention that there should be no time limit for penalizing a former transgression by any current pro athlete caught on video and then subsequently sold to the highest bidder? 4 years, 10 years, 18 years, no time is too long? If its on video and makes the league look bad, impose punishment. Say Peyton Manning assaulted his girlfriend as a rookie in 1998, the NFL should still drop the hammer on him now if they find the VHS videotape? And invoke the 2014 domestic violence policy? I realize the Manning example is silly, but is there no line to draw in which too much time has passed? (not talking about murder, rape, etc...assuming assault and battery type of stuff)

It seems to me that a lot of people want to crucify Dez because he is Dez. I am not trying to defend what Dez probably did, but more defend the idea that after a certain loooong period of time, maybe someone did something stupid when they were young. Maybe too much time has passed to punish someone for something they did years ago when they were a different, less mature person. Edit to say: I am talking about Dez specifically, but more concerning, a decision like that could affect any random NFL athlete in the future.

 
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So if this incident happened four years ago and a video comes out now, does everyone think he should be thrown to the wolves? Let's say he hit a woman multiple times. That is awful, of course. Having said that, Texas statute of limitations on assault and battery is two years (I think, according to some Google link). So he cannot be prosecuted. And the NFL domestic violence policy is about six months old. He should be punished now for something he did fours years ago? If so, at what point does one not get punished? What if Tom Brady beat up some girl he was seeing in 2008 and a video comes out? Should he also get punished now? Curious to hear what people think.
I don't want to go all "lawyer" on you "Leroy" (*cough*!), but one of the primary reasons there are statutes of limitations is that after a given amount of time, witness testimony is deemed unreliable due to the possibility of memory lapse. But if there is a video, memory-shmemory. All bets are off. The courts will still be barred from penalizing him (unless the video shows a crime for which there is no statute, e.g., murder, rape or possibly crimes against minors), but the league won't be. Nor should it.
So, correct me if I am wrong, but if a player punches his woman 10 years ago (or some other incident where the league would suspend for if it just happened) and video of it surfaces today, are you saying you would want the league to suspend the player?

I am not asking you if the league is allowed to, but you said "nor should it" in reference to the league not being barred from penalizing a player for statute of limitations. I am asking you if you personally think the NFL should penalize a player based on a video surfacing of something they did 10 years ago that has zero legal ramifications.

This would open up the biggest can of blackmail worms ever. I get a video of Russel Wilson smacking his woman, but since he barely makes any money I will wait till his contract is up, and then cash in.

Well, that, and it would jsut be idiotic for the league to penalize someone for something 10 years ago, when the law does nothing. Or even 4-5 years ago.

 
So if this incident happened four years ago and a video comes out now, does everyone think he should be thrown to the wolves? Let's say he hit a woman multiple times. That is awful, of course. Having said that, Texas statute of limitations on assault and battery is two years (I think, according to some Google link). So he cannot be prosecuted. And the NFL domestic violence policy is about six months old. He should be punished now for something he did fours years ago? If so, at what point does one not get punished? What if Tom Brady beat up some girl he was seeing in 2008 and a video comes out? Should he also get punished now? Curious to hear what people think.
I don't want to go all "lawyer" on you "Leroy" (*cough*!), but one of the primary reasons there are statutes of limitations is that after a given amount of time, witness testimony is deemed unreliable due to the possibility of memory lapse. But if there is a video, outside of the court system, the memory factor is generally moot and all bets are off. The courts might be barred from penalizing him, but the league won't be. Nor should it.
To make sure I understand, is it your contention that there should be no time limit for penalizing a former transgression by any current pro athlete caught on video and then subsequently sold to the highest bidder? 4 years, 10 years, 18 years, no time is too long? If its on video and makes the league look bad, impose punishment. Say Peyton Manning assaulted his girlfriend as a rookie in 1998, the NFL should still drop the hammer on him now if they find the VHS videotape? And invoke the 2014 domestic violence policy? I realize the Manning example is silly, but is there no line to draw in which too much time has passed? (not talking about murder, rape, etc...assuming assault and battery type of stuff)

It seems to me that a lot of people want to crucify Dez because he is Dez. I am not trying to defend what Dez probably did, but more defend the idea that after a certain loooong period of time, maybe someone did something stupid when they were young. Maybe too much time has passed to punish someone for something they did years ago when they were a different, less mature person. Edit to say: I am talking about Dez specifically, but more concerning, a decision like that could affect any random NFL athlete in the future.
I think the answer to your question lays somewhere within the four corners of the collective bargaining agreement. If the league has the negotiated right to "protect the shield" through personal conduct policies, then I think they can do whatever the agreement allows. I am sure they have also reduced to writing exactly which version of the agreement would control in these sorts of situations, but without that in front of me, I am going to have to plead ignorance. Maybe it's a Peyton and Dez rough love tape. That would cover all your angles!

 
So if this incident happened four years ago and a video comes out now, does everyone think he should be thrown to the wolves? Let's say he hit a woman multiple times. That is awful, of course. Having said that, Texas statute of limitations on assault and battery is two years (I think, according to some Google link). So he cannot be prosecuted. And the NFL domestic violence policy is about six months old. He should be punished now for something he did fours years ago? If so, at what point does one not get punished? What if Tom Brady beat up some girl he was seeing in 2008 and a video comes out? Should he also get punished now? Curious to hear what people think.
I don't want to go all "lawyer" on you "Leroy" (*cough*!), but one of the primary reasons there are statutes of limitations is that after a given amount of time, witness testimony is deemed unreliable due to the possibility of memory lapse. But if there is a video, memory-shmemory. All bets are off. The courts will still be barred from penalizing him (unless the video shows a crime for which there is no statute, e.g., murder, rape or possibly crimes against minors), but the league won't be. Nor should it.
So, correct me if I am wrong, but if a player punches his woman 10 years ago (or some other incident where the league would suspend for if it just happened) and video of it surfaces today, are you saying you would want the league to suspend the player?
Certainly. Otherwise, they would be put in the position of having to trot out a (insert whatever description the video allegedly dictates), thereby tacitly endorsing his actions. Why do that if they don't have to?

 
If he gets punished for something he did in 2011, and it is something that goes NOWHERE in court, this might be enough for me to get pretty close to the edge of just not paying attention to the NFL anymore.
I gotta agree, this is straight up blackmail.
That and frankly, the court system did nothing with Rice. His NFL punishment was just absurd.

People get upset when the NFL doesnt punish enough, yet our legal system (ya know, that thing that actually MATTERS) did nothing.
but

to change the legal system we need to change, well #### the laws and enforcement in every municipality in the country

to change the nfl we need the comish, 32 owners, and the union

one goal is more admirable, the other more attainable
No idea where you are going with that, other than it appears you are saying "companies should just do whatever they want".

In which case, sure, I guess.
no

i am saying the idea that because the legal system gets it wrong does not mean we can let the nfl off the hook for getting it wrong. To fix the legal system is an untainable goal, fixing the nfl, much easier

 
4 years ago or a few months ago, I don't think it matters to the NFL. Rice hit his girl and Peterson whipped his kid before we had a domestic policy and not only did both get put on it but in both cases the NFL tried to sit them out for the season. Hell, Peterson is still suspended.

I hate the NFL for it but they showed their hand already, if the public heat is turned up they will bring the hammer down, whether that was 4 years ago or 4 months ago.

In terms of time the one situation I could see someone really having a strong case was if the incident was previous to entering the NFL. That might be a fight they could win. But even with this potential tape from Dez being 4 years old he was still in the NFL, and if it's negative the cries for him to be punished will drown out anyone trying to offer a common sense perspective that we should be no punishing people over stuff they did 4+ years ago.

 
So if this incident happened four years ago and a video comes out now, does everyone think he should be thrown to the wolves? Let's say he hit a woman multiple times. That is awful, of course. Having said that, Texas statute of limitations on assault and battery is two years (I think, according to some Google link). So he cannot be prosecuted. And the NFL domestic violence policy is about six months old. He should be punished now for something he did fours years ago? If so, at what point does one not get punished? What if Tom Brady beat up some girl he was seeing in 2008 and a video comes out? Should he also get punished now? Curious to hear what people think.
I don't want to go all "lawyer" on you "Leroy" (*cough*!), but one of the primary reasons there are statutes of limitations is that after a given amount of time, witness testimony is deemed unreliable due to the possibility of memory lapse. But if there is a video, memory-shmemory. All bets are off. The courts will still be barred from penalizing him (unless the video shows a crime for which there is no statute, e.g., murder, rape or possibly crimes against minors), but the league won't be. Nor should it.
So, correct me if I am wrong, but if a player punches his woman 10 years ago (or some other incident where the league would suspend for if it just happened) and video of it surfaces today, are you saying you would want the league to suspend the player?
Certainly. Otherwise, they would be put in the position of having to trot out a (insert whatever description the video allegedly dictates), thereby tacitly endorsing his actions. Why do that if they don't have to?
Because it looks worse to punish someone from a decade ago

 

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