Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Official Dez Bryant (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter Carl Eller's Dead Liver
- Start date
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Can someone explain why the Cowboys wouldn’t want Dez? Their receiver core is about the equivalent to the University of Alabama.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
At the end of the day, it’s a business, and they need him. Just my thoughts, their core is terrible and he still has some gas in the tank.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Both of these 2 reasons.fruity pebbles said:
If he IS in shape and capable of helping a team on the field, he'd be on a team.
And i get it's a business, but sometimes things go too far. The absolute sh*tshow it would be if he came back to Dallas would do more harm than good. I think it would be a huge distraction. He tweeted out a "D-hop! Nice!!" tweet tonight. Dallas is the absolute last place he'll end up.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
The Cowboys effectively sabotaged him by waiving him when they did (super late). They dropped him at the very last second effectively knowing they were leaving him in a very limited and depleted market. Aside from the media circus sideshow that getting him back would create--I think there would be a fear that Dez would have the motivation and vittreal to get the Cowboys back for how they basically screwed him over.fantasycurse42 said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
You’re WAY overthinking this. If he was any good and didn’t act like a drunk homeless person he would be on a team.
The Cowboys have enough guys who can’t get open nor catch.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Not really. The Cowboys cut him two weeks before the draft. They never tried to negotiate with him- so it wasn’t like this was a case where things fell apart because they couldn’t work out a deal. The Cowboys were going after Watkins, Maclin, they signed Hurns and Deonte Thompson- they never planned on retaining Dez as they never even asked him to take a pay cut. Instead they waited til the very last second after the market dried up and dumped him. This article goes into it
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloggingtheboys.com/platform/amp/2018/4/13/17235488/only-one-reason-makes-sense-as-to-why-the-cowboys-waited-this-long-to-release-dez-bryant
Keep in mind that I’m not saying Dez is still an elite WR. He’s not. However- he’s still a lot better than a lot of the guys in the league right now. Dez got blamed way too much for the offensive woes of the Cowbiys. Sure he had some drops and such- but nobody seems to want to accept the reality that Dak Prescott’s play has regressed big time the last couple of years. Here is a video showing every incompletion to Dez from last year- and the majority of them are due to poor throws- not Dez. Just watch the Cowboys now- their offense is so inconsistent because Dak is so inconsistent.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VzIlUmUWnCU
Saying that the Cowboys dropped Dez at the very last second, knowing that they were not going to retain him the second they signed Hurns, without ever negotiating with him- solely because they thought he wasn’t good doesn’t make sense. If they knew he wasn’t good and were looking to replace him with guys like Watkins, Maclin or Hurns- why not release him immediately?? There was far more to it than that and they absolutely sabotaged him and his market.
No doubt the Cowboys screwed Dez over with the timing.
Has he not hooked on with another team because his salary demands are too high, or because there's no interest around the league even at the veteran's minimum salary?
I'm really not sure which it is, but those are much different scenarios IMO.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
The cowboys left him a position to fail. They released him at a time where the number of potential landing spots for him are limited. Because of this--it's not like teams have to bid each other up for his services. So basically he was left with very few options in regards to potential teams--and he couldn't ask for what he thinks is fair salary. If he plans on coming back next season--why sign for a team last second with zero training camp, minimum pay, risk of getting hurt and ending his career--as playing right now is more likely to do him more harm than good. To learn a new playbook, get integrated on a team..etc--these things take time and chemistry. If he signs for the minimum now--there is no way that he could look productive stats wise. That would hurt him even more. The cowboys basically dumped him off where his choices are 1) sign immediately for cheap in a less than desirable team/situation or 2). Don't play this season--take a year off and hope that you find somebody to sign you next year and pay you closer to what you are worth.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Last edited by a moderator:
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
It’s not that simple. You are assuming that Dez is interested in joining just any team. If you were talented and had a robust resume—would you go and work at McDonalds’s? No—you would wait until the job market favored your skill set and aim to shoot higher. The Cowboys left him in a position to where he got to choose between playing in less than desirable conditions for less than desirable money or to wait for next season. The fact that he has chosen to not pursue any of these ventures this season is a far different cry than “well he sucks because he’s not on a team”. You are watering down a very complex issue and it’s not that simple. Colin Kaepernick is absolutely good enough to be a backup qb for NFL teams—the fact that he’s not playing in the NFL does not automatically mean that he’s “no good”. You really think that there are no wr’s in the NFL that are currently employed that are worse than Dez Bryant is right now? He’s absolutely good enough to be in the NFL even at his advanced age. We’ll just agree to disagree.
Last edited by a moderator:
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Go watch the hard knocks with his visit to Cleveland and you’ll start to get the picture.
Is he more talented than some recievers currently on a team, when he has the ball in his hands? Sure.
But those guys can actually learn a playbook and most importantly, don’t act like a crazy madman.
We can go back and fourth all day and you can continue your thesis but if he were worth the trouble, no doubt he would be on a team.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5558/dez-bryant
NFL Network's Jane Slater reports free agent Dez Bryant will work out for the Saints on Tuesday.
The Saints already have Michael Thomas and impressive rookie Tre'Quan Smith at receiver, but they run a ton of three- and four-wide sets, and Austin Carr has offered very little as the No. 3 receiver. Cameron Meredith has also struggled to get on the field in New Orleans. Bryant will be joined on Tuesday by a host of other receivers, so there's obviously no guaranteed he gets a job. Nov 5 - 8:13 PM
Source: Jane Slater on Twitter
NFL Network's Jane Slater reports free agent Dez Bryant will work out for the Saints on Tuesday.
The Saints already have Michael Thomas and impressive rookie Tre'Quan Smith at receiver, but they run a ton of three- and four-wide sets, and Austin Carr has offered very little as the No. 3 receiver. Cameron Meredith has also struggled to get on the field in New Orleans. Bryant will be joined on Tuesday by a host of other receivers, so there's obviously no guaranteed he gets a job. Nov 5 - 8:13 PM
Source: Jane Slater on Twitter
ap28.allday
Footballguy
Brees to Dez, yesss please!!!
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Oh jeez, keep Dez far away from the Saints. They are rolling, no need to bring in that knucklehead.
simsarge
Footballguy
The Saints just want Dez's inside information on the Cowboys for that inevitable Dallas-New Orleans NFC Championship game
dhockster
Footballguy
Bankerguy
Footballguy
beerbuff
Footballguy
I'd like to know who the other two WR's the Saints are bringing in for a look are.
Dezbelief
Footballguy
Nero
Footballguy
I just think he doesn’t realize the Saints play in Dallas the week after thanksgiving
On a Dez front, I think the chances they sign him might be around 50%. And the chances of him making an impact if signed, even less. And the chances of him ever cracking a fantasy starting line up, even smaller than that. Don't even think he's a speculative add at this point in 16 roster leagues.
DarkKnightsGuru
Footballguy
Bryant would have to be the number 2 there he's better than traqwan at this point
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
habsfan
Footballguy
This would (generally) be my sense as well. People claim that Dez is "better than [insert rostered WR on Team X here]". Setting aside salary expectations and "personality" that might be the case but NFL teams can't just set those things aside. To me, the market speaks and so far it's saying that he's an unemployed FA in November.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
I dunno, I have no idea what he has left but I feel like watching peterman throw pick sixes while kaepernick remains unemployed should be a reminder that the NFL is a very limited employment ecosystem, and that the few teams with a significant enough need to pay someone’s price (especially once they have demonstrated starter ability and aren’t just looking to catch on for the minimum) not doing so may only mean as few as 3-4 people decided (justifiably or not) a guy isn’t “worth the headache.” Your conclusion may ultimately be correct, but any free market type thinking feels like a flawed heuristic.
Conversely, if the saints do sign him, I would be inclined to read that as a very competent organization deciding he is indeed worth the (admittedly significant in Dez’s case) headache, so my guesstimate of what he has left would ratchet up significantly.
The Frankman
Footballguy
If true, fantastic situation for Dez. Like I said in the Week 10 Waivers thread, Saints haven't had a tall jump ball guy since Brandon Coleman. Cam Meredith has been sort of a bust for the Saints and Tre'Quan Smith is still a rookie. We know Brees can make multiple receivers viable and Dez gets to flash on a playoff-bound team... which he will try and parlay to a big contract next year.
tackle for loss
Footballguy
I hope he signs with the Saints, all the fantasy nuts will go out and waste waiver claims on him. He isnt learning a new system and playing well enough to have an impact after being out of the game all season. New players have a hard time going to teams as it is when they have been playing all season.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Terrible take.
Dez is still talented and gets to play with a great QB on a great offense. I love this for Dez owners. A motivated Dez, playing with Brees and getting a CB2...yes, please.
Angry spiders
Footballguy
dhockster
Footballguy
whole-show
Footballguy
So has anyone heard anything that the Saints are going to sign Dez? Curious because I came across this article a bit ago that said he is signing with them but haven’t seen anything else.
Part about Dez says he’s signing with the Saints
From article..
Dez Bryant, WR, FA. Over the past three seasons in Dallas, Bryant averaged 53.6 receiving yards per game and scored 17 TDs in 38 games. Last year, he played a full season and had zero 100-yard games. Having just turned 30, Bryant isn't necessarily completely washed up -- and if he signs with the Saints, fantasy owners will likely be intrigued -- but he likely won't be ready to play meaningful snaps for at least a couple weeks. At most, you're looking at getting something from him during the fantasy playoffs, when the Saints play at the Bucs, at the Panthers and at home vs. Steelers. Those aren't bad matchups, especially in Week 14 in Tampa, but Bryant feels like a long shot to contribute much. (UPDATE: Bryant is reportedly signing with the Saints. That makes him a fine waiver pickup and he definitely has upside moving forward in the high-powered New Orleans passing attack.)
Part about Dez says he’s signing with the Saints
From article..
Dez Bryant, WR, FA. Over the past three seasons in Dallas, Bryant averaged 53.6 receiving yards per game and scored 17 TDs in 38 games. Last year, he played a full season and had zero 100-yard games. Having just turned 30, Bryant isn't necessarily completely washed up -- and if he signs with the Saints, fantasy owners will likely be intrigued -- but he likely won't be ready to play meaningful snaps for at least a couple weeks. At most, you're looking at getting something from him during the fantasy playoffs, when the Saints play at the Bucs, at the Panthers and at home vs. Steelers. Those aren't bad matchups, especially in Week 14 in Tampa, but Bryant feels like a long shot to contribute much. (UPDATE: Bryant is reportedly signing with the Saints. That makes him a fine waiver pickup and he definitely has upside moving forward in the high-powered New Orleans passing attack.)
Dizzy
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
There was a fake "ESPN Radio" Twitter account that put out a "Dez Bryant signed with NO!" tweet about two hours ago. It caught one of the guys on SaintsReport off guard and I can understand if an odd media outlet here and there ran with it, too.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Are you implying that he hasn’t had offers and interest? You might want to do a little research before implying such things ?
Last edited by a moderator:
habsfan
Footballguy
dipandglide
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
Last edited by a moderator:
Angry spiders
Footballguy
Saints are all in
