James Daulton
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Anyone who wants a link pm me.
The damage done to this country by the prior administration continually reveals itself.
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*** Official Discussion of US Politics Resulting From The Ukraine Conflict *** aka Discuss what Donald and AOC said/tweeted here here (1 Viewer)
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The damage done to this country by the prior administration continually reveals itself.
James Daulton
Footballguy
Of course that's what Putin was hoping for. And it's what would have happened if we had been unlucky enough to have Trump reelected.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Wow this is amazing schtick, even for you. So he was planning this all the way back in Trumps presidency and was counting on the 2nd Trump term…..but years later he just couldn’t put the brakes on the plan and had to move forward…..only to be met by the almighty Joe Biden!
Unbelievable man, bravo!
sho nuff
Footballguy
I mean...its the person's opinion. And yeah, he likely was planning much of this over many years. Possibly even pre-Trump. Not sure about couldn't put the brakes on...but probably was going to go no matter who was in office seeing as it was a time when he was pretty sure nobody in the world would be coming in militarily with Ukraine.Wow this is amazing schtick, even for you. So he was planning this all the way back in Trumps presidency and was counting on the 2nd Trump term…..but years later he just couldn’t put the brakes on the plan and had to move forward…..only to be met by the almighty Joe Biden!
Unbelievable man, bravo!
GoBirds
Footballguy
The fact is he never tried it until Biden was elected. That’s the fact. The type of narrative you all are pushing is make believe but extremely amusing to watch.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
You think he woke up Wednesday and decided to invade Thursday? Do you deny that NATO is way more united under Biden than it was under Trump? Do you deny that Trump took almost every opportunity to compliment and placate to Putin? Didn't they even have an unprecedented private conversation without any advisors around? Trump believed Putin over his intelligence agencies. The same intelligence agencies that have been spot on regarding Putin's latest moves.Wow this is amazing schtick, even for you. So he was planning this all the way back in Trumps presidency and was counting on the 2nd Trump term…..but years later he just couldn’t put the brakes on the plan and had to move forward…..only to be met by the almighty Joe Biden!
Unbelievable man, bravo!
James Daulton
Footballguy
I am anxiously waiting to read the well thought out, insightful, non-crying emoji response.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Sure...that is a fact. Though, he did other things under other Presidents...including his incursion into Syria while Trump was POTUS. Its not something new for Putin. And it does not seem to matter who is in charge.The fact is he never tried it until Biden was elected. That’s the fact. The type of narrative you all are pushing is make believe but extremely amusing to watch.
You call that schtick or some narrative and continue to take shots at other posters. Can you not just discuss their posts without that?
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
So does the fact that Germany finally bucked up for NATO under Biden's watch mean the he gets all the credit for this?The fact is he never tried it until Biden was elected. That’s the fact. The type of narrative you all are pushing is make believe but extremely amusing to watch.
GoBirds
Footballguy
You are trying way too hard.
There are no facts to support your creative storylines, only your Trump obsession to explain it and the same followers that parrot the same. If you don’t want this place to be an echo chamber, try to be objective for a change.
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Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I never thought I'd here the guy who answered every post with a laughing emoji (until he got it banned), a 'But Trump', or a 'Be Better', would accuse someone of not adding to an argument with facts. The next time you contribute to an argument or discussion with facts or compelling evidence, will be the first.You are trying way too hard.
There are no facts to support your creative storylines, only your Trump obsession to explain it and the same followers that parrot the same. If you don’t want this place to be an echo chamber, try to be objective for a change.
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GoBirds
Footballguy
When you can’t deal in facts, follow with a childish response like above. You have the liberal playbook mastered.
Also it’s spelled “hear”.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Philly fan lecturing people on objectivity is like Lizzo telling someone that's one too many cupcakes, honey.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Jimmy Carter:
"Russia's unprovoked attack on Ukraine using military and cyber weapons violates international law and the fundamental human rights of the Ukrainian people. I condemn this unjust assault on the sovereignty of Ukraine that threatens security in Europe and the entire world, and I call on President Putin to halt all military action and restore peace."
Bill Clinton:
"Putin's war of choice has unraveled 30 years of diplomacy and put millions of innocent lives in grave danger. The world will hold Russia and Russia alone accountable, both economically and politically, for its brazen violation of international law. I stand with the people of Ukraine and am praying for their safety,"
George W. Bush:
"Russia's attack on Ukraine constitutes the gravest security crisis on the European continent since World War II. I join the international community in condemning Vladimir Putin's unprovoked and unjustified invasion of Ukraine. The American government and people must stand in solidarity with Ukraine and the Ukrainian people as they seek freedom and the right to choose their own future. We cannot tolerate the authoritarian bullying and danger that Putin poses."
Barrack Obama:
"For some time now, we have seen the forces of division and authoritarianism make headway around the world, mounting an assault on the ideals of democracy, rule of law, equality, individual liberty, freedom of expression and worship, and self-determination. Russia's invasion of Ukraine shows where these dangerous trends can lead – and why they cannot be left unchallenged."
Donald Trump:
"This is genius. Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine … Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful.”
“The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling. It’s an outrage and an atrocity that should never have been allowed to occur."
“We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all. As everyone understands, this horrific disaster would never have happened if our election was not rigged and if I was the president.”
“Under Bush, Russia invaded Georgia. Under Obama, Russia took Crimea. Under Biden, Russia invaded Ukraine. I stand as the only president of the 21st century on whose watch Russia did not invade another country.”
"Russia's unprovoked attack on Ukraine using military and cyber weapons violates international law and the fundamental human rights of the Ukrainian people. I condemn this unjust assault on the sovereignty of Ukraine that threatens security in Europe and the entire world, and I call on President Putin to halt all military action and restore peace."
Bill Clinton:
"Putin's war of choice has unraveled 30 years of diplomacy and put millions of innocent lives in grave danger. The world will hold Russia and Russia alone accountable, both economically and politically, for its brazen violation of international law. I stand with the people of Ukraine and am praying for their safety,"
George W. Bush:
"Russia's attack on Ukraine constitutes the gravest security crisis on the European continent since World War II. I join the international community in condemning Vladimir Putin's unprovoked and unjustified invasion of Ukraine. The American government and people must stand in solidarity with Ukraine and the Ukrainian people as they seek freedom and the right to choose their own future. We cannot tolerate the authoritarian bullying and danger that Putin poses."
Barrack Obama:
"For some time now, we have seen the forces of division and authoritarianism make headway around the world, mounting an assault on the ideals of democracy, rule of law, equality, individual liberty, freedom of expression and worship, and self-determination. Russia's invasion of Ukraine shows where these dangerous trends can lead – and why they cannot be left unchallenged."
Donald Trump:
"This is genius. Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine … Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful.”
“The Russian attack on Ukraine is appalling. It’s an outrage and an atrocity that should never have been allowed to occur."
“We are praying for the proud people of Ukraine. God bless them all. As everyone understands, this horrific disaster would never have happened if our election was not rigged and if I was the president.”
“Under Bush, Russia invaded Georgia. Under Obama, Russia took Crimea. Under Biden, Russia invaded Ukraine. I stand as the only president of the 21st century on whose watch Russia did not invade another country.”
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dozer
Footballguy
Dee Snider
“People are asking me why I endorsed the use of "We're Not Gonna Take It" for the Ukrainian people and did not for the anti-maskers.”
“Well, one use is for a righteous battle against oppression; the other is a infantile feet stomping against an inconvenience.”
“People are asking me why I endorsed the use of "We're Not Gonna Take It" for the Ukrainian people and did not for the anti-maskers.”
“Well, one use is for a righteous battle against oppression; the other is a infantile feet stomping against an inconvenience.”
dozer
Footballguy
A reminder that (just four days ago!) Laura Ingraham referred to Zelensky’s passionate plea for peace to the Russian people as a “pathetic display” from a “defeated man” while on the phone with Trump.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Yeah, okay. I bet Jim Jones wished he had followers as loyal as you.
Revisionist history is strong with you guys.
James Daulton
Footballguy
100% accurate take of how some posters refuse to ever engage in good faith discussion while getting emojis banned. It's quite SAD.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
That’s what makes it so ironic, gotta love this place.We're still waiting for your first.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
You have a link to the actual comments? Surely someone recorded it. I'm coming up empty and just finding pictures of a video that never lead to a video.
I already found one source that disputes this source that this entire statement is accurate. https://www.mediaite.com/tv/laura-ingraham-calls-ukrainian-president-pathetic-as-russia-invades-his-country/
Also you are quoting a "Democratic Pollster & Strategist" Probably not the best thing to do if you want to share accurate information here.
dozer
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Please do. I'd love to ridicule her if she did do this, but based on what I'm seeing, a poorly worded statement is being spun into something bigger. I came up empty. Maybe Fox is protecting her by enforcing copyrights.
Mile High
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Honestly it was hung up and asking me to subscribe before. I wasn't familiar with the source so that had me concerned.
Video confirms what I thought.
Ingraham..."Ukrainian ambassador to the United Nation's looking like a defeated man"
Matt McDermott..."Laura Ingraham referred to Zelensky’s passionate plea for peace to the Russian people as a “pathetic display” from a “defeated man”"
Note, I'm not defending Ingraham and she grates on me like nails on a chalkboard, but McDermott is obviously posting falsehoods. He loses all credibility in my book.
dozer
Footballguy
So I did a quick search for Ingraham transcripts…
I found this on YouTube…
Now, I have never heard of David Pakman or his “show”, but he does an analysis of the Ingraham/Trump interview in which he plays some clips and then talks about the gross incompetence of both Ingraham and Trump.
At 3:10 he plays the clip where Ingraham says:
”we had kind of a pathetic display from the Ukrainian President… where he, in Russian, he doesn’t like to speak Russian, but in Russian essentially imploring Putin not to invade his country…”
(my transcription of the video)
Then Trump thinks that the US has begun an amphibious attack… somewhere…. I guess, in Ukraine.
Just a totally unhinged, disconnected, embarrassing interview.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Mile High
Footballguy
Yes you are correct she is talking about two different men and McDermott makes it out she was talking about one guy. Also agree if you lie about one thing then your credibility is shot on the subject.
Honestly it was hung up and asking me to subscribe before. I wasn't familiar with the source so that had me concerned.
Video confirms what I thought.
Ingraham..."Ukrainian ambassador to the United Nation's looking like a defeated man"
Matt McDermott..."Laura Ingraham referred to Zelensky’s passionate plea for peace to the Russian people as a “pathetic display” from a “defeated man”"
Note, I'm not defending Ingraham and she grates on me like nails on a chalkboard, but McDermott is obviously posting falsehoods. He loses all credibility in my book.
dozer
Footballguy
All I know is that: Laura Ingraham referred to Zelensky’s passionate plea for peace to the Russian people as a “pathetic display” from a “defeated man” while on the phone with Trump.
Mile High
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
1. I was joking/poking fun at Trump for not knowing what "amphibious" means.
2. She didn't refer to Zelensky as looking like a defeated man, she referred to their ambassador.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
This is not in any way being a "Trumper" as I never voted for him.
But You know that Trump asked Germany to spend more on defense every year right? And it was ho-hum we will see. And why would they? They felt safe and secure. Russia in not going to be aggressive anymore.
Now that Russia seems unhinged and starting an unprovoked that could spread Germany and others are more than willing to spend because their own security is at risk.
So was Trump right all along that other NATO countries need to spend more on defense?? Does Biden get credit for Germany spending more, or does Biden take blame for perceived weakness by Russia.
One thing is, none of us really know.
dozer
Footballguy
My gosh, what a cowardly fool…
Then in the next segment:
Jennifer Griffin Once Again Brutally Fact-Checks a Pro-Putin Fox News Segment
James Daulton
Footballguy
Trump isn't the first US POTOS to ask Germany to increase their defense spending. He was just the loudest and most obnoxious about it.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Yeah, we cool.
Nothing personal as I've come to trust what you post here, especially the Jan 6 thread. Don't want to see you getting duped by twitter people on the left when the truth already paints the picture.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Trump, allies defend or deflect Putin’s invasion; was Romney right?
From the link:
But there is another Republican faction, generally aligned with a certain former president, that doesn’t particularly care about Ukraine, and believes its base doesn’t much care either.
They raised no objection when Donald Trump said Vladimir Putin is a "genius," and "very savvy," for his handling of Ukraine and framing the invasion as a "peacekeeping" mission (which is, of course, an outright lie). Noticeably missing from the Putin praise in that radio interview was even the mildest disapproval for one country using force to seize territory from a sovereign neighbor.
Ukraine, of course, was at the heart of the first impeachment, when Trump held up military aid while pressuring the country’s leader to provide dirt about Joe Biden.
Politico says "a vocal GOP minority on and off Capitol Hill — represented by Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), Fox News host Tucker Carlson and Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance, among others — has taken a third path, actively arguing against any U.S. involvement in the region while still dinging Biden. They argue that expanding the U.S. commitment to NATO is a mistake, and that the president should instead focus on countering China and securing America’s southern border."
Hawley, for instance, is one of roughly a dozen Senate Republicans who didn’t back legislation last week urging the imposition of sanctions if Russia invaded Ukraine.
Steve Bannon, a charter member of what Politico calls the "America First" crowd, says: "It’s not a split on the right. It shows you the new right, or the new Republican Party, versus the neocons that are still there," said Bannon. "We don’t have any interest — no one in the Trump movement has any interest at all in the Russian-speaking provinces of eastern Ukraine. Zero."
From the link:
But there is another Republican faction, generally aligned with a certain former president, that doesn’t particularly care about Ukraine, and believes its base doesn’t much care either.
They raised no objection when Donald Trump said Vladimir Putin is a "genius," and "very savvy," for his handling of Ukraine and framing the invasion as a "peacekeeping" mission (which is, of course, an outright lie). Noticeably missing from the Putin praise in that radio interview was even the mildest disapproval for one country using force to seize territory from a sovereign neighbor.
Ukraine, of course, was at the heart of the first impeachment, when Trump held up military aid while pressuring the country’s leader to provide dirt about Joe Biden.
Politico says "a vocal GOP minority on and off Capitol Hill — represented by Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), Fox News host Tucker Carlson and Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance, among others — has taken a third path, actively arguing against any U.S. involvement in the region while still dinging Biden. They argue that expanding the U.S. commitment to NATO is a mistake, and that the president should instead focus on countering China and securing America’s southern border."
Hawley, for instance, is one of roughly a dozen Senate Republicans who didn’t back legislation last week urging the imposition of sanctions if Russia invaded Ukraine.
Steve Bannon, a charter member of what Politico calls the "America First" crowd, says: "It’s not a split on the right. It shows you the new right, or the new Republican Party, versus the neocons that are still there," said Bannon. "We don’t have any interest — no one in the Trump movement has any interest at all in the Russian-speaking provinces of eastern Ukraine. Zero."
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I was being facetious. I was getting tired of hearing people give Trump credit for Putin not attacking during Trump's term and blaming the invasion on Biden.
Most acts by foreign governments have little to do with the US president. Germany bucking up for NATO is because of the current situation.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Right now there is eminent danger for Germany. So I guess he was correct in that aspect. Don`t label me but as much as Trump was wrong on things he was also right on things as well. Just did not have the soothing delivery we expect.
It is like any preventative measure in life. You don`t want to spend $$$ when things are going well, as you view it as a waste of $$$. Yet when things go bad, we are forced to spend whatever it costs to fix it or make it better.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I don't know whether Putin would have done this in a second Trump term, and I don't know how Trump would have handled it if he had. And every day I thank Jebus that we'll never have to find out.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I really do try not to pay a ton of attention to the stuff Trump says. I hated spending four years worrying about the impact of his Twitter rants, and it's so nice to have the luxury of ignoring them.
That said, the fact that he thought the US was sending an amphibious assault team to Ukraine, and that he was learning this news from Laura Ingraham, is simultaneously one of the funniest and scariest things I've ever heard.
dozer
Footballguy
One theory is, if Trump was still in office Putin wouldn’t have to invade Ukraine to degrade NATO, because Trump would be doing enough to degrade NATO on his own…
Two peas in a pod.
Possum
Footballguy
Trump is a damn idiot - guy sees everything in life as an opportunity for personal gain and further divisiveness, consequences be damned.
as stupid, hypcritical and horribly authoritarian as the Democratic party has become with the progressive cancer infesting their ranks, the Republicans can't even get out of their own way and offer a clearly better alternative. Looks like I'll be voting third party yet again in two years if everything keeps going this way.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
And I feel the same way, only with the R's and D's reversed. However I will vote straight D until the Trump faction of the GOP is defeated. I'm someone who would vote R almost as much I voted Dem, but I don't want any more of Trump's ilk in office.
I wish the Dems had someone better than Biden, but here we are.
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