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[jurb26]

Through Week 15:

Completion % Yards TD's INT's Rating Sacked

R. Wilson 64.7 3077 23 2 105.0 36

R. Tannehill 62.4 3627 23 14 86.6 51

A. Luck 58.7 3299 21 9 85.2 30

R. Griffin III 60.1 3203 16 12 82.2 38

Tanne's numbers are pretty comparable to the other top 2nd year starters, the one glowing exception is the sack number. Cut that down to say even RG III's 38 sacks and I bet 3 or 4 INT's fall off at least.

How many attempts does each guy have? That's a pretty important number when comparing these guys IMO.Got it.

Tannehill, 521

Luck, 496

RG3, 456

Wilson, 357

 

[Native]

FYI Wilson has 24/8 not 23/2

 

[SwampDawg]

FYI Wilson has 24/8 not 23/2

Thanks, corrected. I looked at Nick Foles line.

 

[The_Man]

I'm a Baltimore homer, but am very impressed with this Miami team. I think they are taking that final playoff spot over Baltimore - the Fins are going to finish 10-6, but I think the Ravens are headed for 9-7, losing tonight before beating New England and Cincy. Although Miami can't sleep on this Buffalo game. It's going to be a nail-biter.

You might be surprised at how non-impossible the Dolphins' chances of earning the #2 seed are. If they finish at a 10-6 pile-up with New England, Cincy, and Indy, they're the #2 seed. I actually think Indy and Cincy will finish 10-6 (losing to KC and Baltimore, respectively). And I think Baltimore beats New England - but I still think the Patriots beat Buffalo at home in Week 17 to finish 11-5, and take the #2.

 

[Faust]

Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB:

Miami snapped the schneid against the Pats. A guy some Dolphins don’t know was key.

Last Monday morning, San Francisco practice squad safety Michael Thomas was sleeping in on a victory Monday for the Niners. A day off, other than getting a lift and a workout in at some point during the day. At 10:20 a.m., late for Thomas, he finally paid attention to the vibrating phone and sat up. He’d missed four calls from his agent, Christina Phillips, and a text that said, “WAKE UP! There’s a team that wants you. If you don’t wake up soon they’re going to move on.” Thomas called, and the team was Miami. There was no time to think. Miami was offering a spot on the 53-man roster, the Holy Grail for practice squad players, and seeing that Thomas had spent all 22 game weeks last year and all 14 weeks so far this year on the San Francisco practice squad, he figured he’d better grab an active-roster spot. There was a flight at 2:30 from San Francisco to Miami, and he had to be on it. He made it, not even bothering to close down his Bay Area apartment. “No time,” he said. “I was just like, ‘Holy crap! I gotta go!’ ”

Thomas began to get schooled Tuesday by Dolphins assistant defensive backs coach Blue Adams, but all week he got the sense that the more immediate focus would be on playing special teams against the Patriots Sunday. “I was going to start on the punt-return team, I knew that,” Thomas said Sunday afternoon from the Miami locker room. He took no defensive snaps all week.

The night before the game, Thomas heard about its importance: Miami hadn’t beaten New England in the last seven tries. If the Dolphins wanted to have a good shot at being a wild card team, this game was the big one. So on Sunday, Thomas went in and played his part, running down on two special teams units, making a tackle on one punt play. But by the fourth quarter, corners Nolan Carroll and Brent Grimes were down. Thomas is a safety. He played the position at Stanford and in practice for the Niners. But right now, in the last five minutes, Miami didn’t need a safety. The Dolphins had to have a corner.

“You want your opportunity?” Adams said. “It’s time.”

“I’m not gonna lie,” Thomas said by phone from the locker room Sunday afternoon, when it was over. “I was pretty emotional. I was going out there knowing Tom Brady was coming after me.”

On the first snap of the last New England series, Brady found Thomas. Brady threw to Danny Amendola for 11. On the second snap, he found Thomas. Brady threw to Shane Vereen for two. “I was out there, getting help from [safety] Reshad Jones,” said Thomas. “He’d basically tell me what to do on most plays, like where to go and who to cover.”

Brady got to the Miami 19, with 27 seconds left. First down. The defense broke the huddle and saw the spread New England formation. Jones nodded over to Amendola, split right. “You got no help,” Jones said to Thomas.

No help. A safety playing cornerback in his first NFL game, in his first NFL quarter, against Tom Brady, in single coverage against one of Brady’s favorite targets. Thomas ran with Amendola.

“Then there it was,” Thomas said. “Tom Brady throwing at me.”

The ball was over Thomas’ head, bound for Amendola’s hands. All Thomas could think of was the lesson he’d learned as a defensive back long ago. Play through his hands. As a trailer on the play, Thomas knew to do everything he could to disrupt the ball in Amendola’s hands, and he did. Thomas knocked the ball away. No touchdown. Huge play.

Three plays later. Fourth-and-5 from the 14. Likely the last chance for Brady. This time Thomas would be in the slot, determined not to let a Patriots receiver get behind him with any cushion. Again Brady threw at Thomas, for Austin Collie, with another Dolphin also in coverage. The ball never got to Collie. Thomas jumped and picked it off.

The players he barely knew now were jumping on him, slapping him, celebrating. “Mama, I did it! I did it!” Thomas yelled over and over, but no one could hear him. No one could hear anything, because the stadium was so loud. And after the game, he cried. In Joe Philbin’s post-game press conference, the coach seemed not to remember the name of the hero who broke up one touchdown pass in the end zone and then intercepted another. “We had a player in there that I think got into the building on Tuesday,” Philbin said. That just added to the lore.

“I am overwhelmed,” said Thomas. “It is so much to realize, how my life has changed and how this happened—Tom Brady throwing at me, and I answered the call. The only thing I can say is I am blessed.”

Next time you hear some coach say, “It takes all 53 to win,” think of Michael Thomas. Imagine if he’d slept a couple more hours last Monday. Maybe Miami would be on an eight-game losing streak to New England right now instead of a one-game winning streak.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I'm a Baltimore homer, but am very impressed with this Miami team. I think they are taking that final playoff spot over Baltimore - the Fins are going to finish 10-6, but I think the Ravens are headed for 9-7, losing tonight before beating New England and Cincy. Although Miami can't sleep on this Buffalo game. It's going to be a nail-biter.

You might be surprised at how non-impossible the Dolphins' chances of earning the #2 seed are. If they finish at a 10-6 pile-up with New England, Cincy, and Indy, they're the #2 seed. I actually think Indy and Cincy will finish 10-6 (losing to KC and Baltimore, respectively). And I think Baltimore beats New England - but I still think the Patriots beat Buffalo at home in Week 17 to finish 11-5, and take the #2.

Another Ravens' fan here who is mightily impressed with Miami. I thought they'd implode with all the garbage going on earlier.

 

[jurb26]

Not a Ravens fan, maybe that DQ's me. I'll add myself to the list of people who thought this Mia team was heading for implosion after the drama earlier this year. What an impressive run they are making despite those distractions.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Not a Ravens fan, maybe that DQ's me. I'll add myself to the list of people who thought this Mia team was heading for implosion after the drama earlier this year. What an impressive run they are making despite those distractions.

Welcome to "the playoffs start at Thanksgiving". Enjoy and have an ambulance nearby - as a Ravens fan, I'm used to it.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Slightly different side of Philbin, a lot more fire than when I see him fiddling with the headset all game long.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-gameday/0ap2000000299056/Dolphins-celebrate-crucial-victory

I said that far to many were wanting to write Philbin off for no good reason. He has done a great job coaching this team from day 1. This is a team that is trending up going forward with that roster.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Some efficiency numbers:

TD% Y/A INT%

R. Wilson 6.7 8.6 2.2

R. Tannehill 4.4 7.0 2.7

A. Luck 4.2 6.7 1.8

R. Griffin III 3.5 7.0 2.6

Wilson's are obviously skewed higher because his running game and defense support him. He's rarely in a must-throw situation.

 

[jurb26]

Some efficiency numbers:

TD% Y/A INT%

R. Wilson 6.7 8.6 2.2

R. Tannehill 4.4 7.0 2.7

A. Luck 4.2 6.7 1.8

R. Griffin III 3.5 7.0 2.6

Wilson's are obviously skewed higher because his running game and defense support him. He's rarely in a must-throw situation.

Which is why I wanted to see attempts as well. When factoring attempts in, Wilson becomes less impressive and Tannehill/Luck more so.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB:

Miami snapped the schneid against the Pats. A guy some Dolphins don’t know was key.

Last Monday morning, San Francisco practice squad safety Michael Thomas was sleeping in on a victory Monday for the Niners. A day off, other than getting a lift and a workout in at some point during the day. At 10:20 a.m., late for Thomas, he finally paid attention to the vibrating phone and sat up. He’d missed four calls from his agent, Christina Phillips, and a text that said, “WAKE UP! There’s a team that wants you. If you don’t wake up soon they’re going to move on.” Thomas called, and the team was Miami. There was no time to think. Miami was offering a spot on the 53-man roster, the Holy Grail for practice squad players, and seeing that Thomas had spent all 22 game weeks last year and all 14 weeks so far this year on the San Francisco practice squad, he figured he’d better grab an active-roster spot. There was a flight at 2:30 from San Francisco to Miami, and he had to be on it. He made it, not even bothering to close down his Bay Area apartment. “No time,” he said. “I was just like, ‘Holy crap! I gotta go!’ ”

Thomas began to get schooled Tuesday by Dolphins assistant defensive backs coach Blue Adams, but all week he got the sense that the more immediate focus would be on playing special teams against the Patriots Sunday. “I was going to start on the punt-return team, I knew that,” Thomas said Sunday afternoon from the Miami locker room. He took no defensive snaps all week.

The night before the game, Thomas heard about its importance: Miami hadn’t beaten New England in the last seven tries. If the Dolphins wanted to have a good shot at being a wild card team, this game was the big one. So on Sunday, Thomas went in and played his part, running down on two special teams units, making a tackle on one punt play. But by the fourth quarter, corners Nolan Carroll and Brent Grimes were down. Thomas is a safety. He played the position at Stanford and in practice for the Niners. But right now, in the last five minutes, Miami didn’t need a safety. The Dolphins had to have a corner.

“You want your opportunity?” Adams said. “It’s time.”

“I’m not gonna lie,” Thomas said by phone from the locker room Sunday afternoon, when it was over. “I was pretty emotional. I was going out there knowing Tom Brady was coming after me.”

On the first snap of the last New England series, Brady found Thomas. Brady threw to Danny Amendola for 11. On the second snap, he found Thomas. Brady threw to Shane Vereen for two. “I was out there, getting help from [safety] Reshad Jones,” said Thomas. “He’d basically tell me what to do on most plays, like where to go and who to cover.”

Brady got to the Miami 19, with 27 seconds left. First down. The defense broke the huddle and saw the spread New England formation. Jones nodded over to Amendola, split right. “You got no help,” Jones said to Thomas.

No help. A safety playing cornerback in his first NFL game, in his first NFL quarter, against Tom Brady, in single coverage against one of Brady’s favorite targets. Thomas ran with Amendola.

“Then there it was,” Thomas said. “Tom Brady throwing at me.”

The ball was over Thomas’ head, bound for Amendola’s hands. All Thomas could think of was the lesson he’d learned as a defensive back long ago. Play through his hands. As a trailer on the play, Thomas knew to do everything he could to disrupt the ball in Amendola’s hands, and he did. Thomas knocked the ball away. No touchdown. Huge play.

Three plays later. Fourth-and-5 from the 14. Likely the last chance for Brady. This time Thomas would be in the slot, determined not to let a Patriots receiver get behind him with any cushion. Again Brady threw at Thomas, for Austin Collie, with another Dolphin also in coverage. The ball never got to Collie. Thomas jumped and picked it off.

The players he barely knew now were jumping on him, slapping him, celebrating. “Mama, I did it! I did it!” Thomas yelled over and over, but no one could hear him. No one could hear anything, because the stadium was so loud. And after the game, he cried. In Joe Philbin’s post-game press conference, the coach seemed not to remember the name of the hero who broke up one touchdown pass in the end zone and then intercepted another. “We had a player in there that I think got into the building on Tuesday,” Philbin said. That just added to the lore.

“I am overwhelmed,” said Thomas. “It is so much to realize, how my life has changed and how this happened—Tom Brady throwing at me, and I answered the call. The only thing I can say is I am blessed.”

Next time you hear some coach say, “It takes all 53 to win,” think of Michael Thomas. Imagine if he’d slept a couple more hours last Monday. Maybe Miami would be on an eight-game losing streak to New England right now instead of a one-game winning streak.

I got chills reading it

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB:

Miami snapped the schneid against the Pats. A guy some Dolphins don’t know was key.

Last Monday morning, San Francisco practice squad safety Michael Thomas was sleeping in on a victory Monday for the Niners. A day off, other than getting a lift and a workout in at some point during the day. At 10:20 a.m., late for Thomas, he finally paid attention to the vibrating phone and sat up. He’d missed four calls from his agent, Christina Phillips, and a text that said, “WAKE UP! There’s a team that wants you. If you don’t wake up soon they’re going to move on.” Thomas called, and the team was Miami. There was no time to think. Miami was offering a spot on the 53-man roster, the Holy Grail for practice squad players, and seeing that Thomas had spent all 22 game weeks last year and all 14 weeks so far this year on the San Francisco practice squad, he figured he’d better grab an active-roster spot. There was a flight at 2:30 from San Francisco to Miami, and he had to be on it. He made it, not even bothering to close down his Bay Area apartment. “No time,” he said. “I was just like, ‘Holy crap! I gotta go!’ ”

Thomas began to get schooled Tuesday by Dolphins assistant defensive backs coach Blue Adams, but all week he got the sense that the more immediate focus would be on playing special teams against the Patriots Sunday. “I was going to start on the punt-return team, I knew that,” Thomas said Sunday afternoon from the Miami locker room. He took no defensive snaps all week.

The night before the game, Thomas heard about its importance: Miami hadn’t beaten New England in the last seven tries. If the Dolphins wanted to have a good shot at being a wild card team, this game was the big one. So on Sunday, Thomas went in and played his part, running down on two special teams units, making a tackle on one punt play. But by the fourth quarter, corners Nolan Carroll and Brent Grimes were down. Thomas is a safety. He played the position at Stanford and in practice for the Niners. But right now, in the last five minutes, Miami didn’t need a safety. The Dolphins had to have a corner.

“You want your opportunity?” Adams said. “It’s time.”

“I’m not gonna lie,” Thomas said by phone from the locker room Sunday afternoon, when it was over. “I was pretty emotional. I was going out there knowing Tom Brady was coming after me.”

On the first snap of the last New England series, Brady found Thomas. Brady threw to Danny Amendola for 11. On the second snap, he found Thomas. Brady threw to Shane Vereen for two. “I was out there, getting help from [safety] Reshad Jones,” said Thomas. “He’d basically tell me what to do on most plays, like where to go and who to cover.”

Brady got to the Miami 19, with 27 seconds left. First down. The defense broke the huddle and saw the spread New England formation. Jones nodded over to Amendola, split right. “You got no help,” Jones said to Thomas.

No help. A safety playing cornerback in his first NFL game, in his first NFL quarter, against Tom Brady, in single coverage against one of Brady’s favorite targets. Thomas ran with Amendola.

“Then there it was,” Thomas said. “Tom Brady throwing at me.”

The ball was over Thomas’ head, bound for Amendola’s hands. All Thomas could think of was the lesson he’d learned as a defensive back long ago. Play through his hands. As a trailer on the play, Thomas knew to do everything he could to disrupt the ball in Amendola’s hands, and he did. Thomas knocked the ball away. No touchdown. Huge play.

Three plays later. Fourth-and-5 from the 14. Likely the last chance for Brady. This time Thomas would be in the slot, determined not to let a Patriots receiver get behind him with any cushion. Again Brady threw at Thomas, for Austin Collie, with another Dolphin also in coverage. The ball never got to Collie. Thomas jumped and picked it off.

The players he barely knew now were jumping on him, slapping him, celebrating. “Mama, I did it! I did it!” Thomas yelled over and over, but no one could hear him. No one could hear anything, because the stadium was so loud. And after the game, he cried. In Joe Philbin’s post-game press conference, the coach seemed not to remember the name of the hero who broke up one touchdown pass in the end zone and then intercepted another. “We had a player in there that I think got into the building on Tuesday,” Philbin said. That just added to the lore.

“I am overwhelmed,” said Thomas. “It is so much to realize, how my life has changed and how this happened—Tom Brady throwing at me, and I answered the call. The only thing I can say is I am blessed.”

Next time you hear some coach say, “It takes all 53 to win,” think of Michael Thomas. Imagine if he’d slept a couple more hours last Monday. Maybe Miami would be on an eight-game losing streak to New England right now instead of a one-game winning streak.

I got chills reading it

You should put a blanket on.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Some efficiency numbers:

TD% Y/A INT%

R. Wilson 6.7 8.6 2.2

R. Tannehill 4.4 7.0 2.7

A. Luck 4.2 6.7 1.8

R. Griffin III 3.5 7.0 2.6

Wilson's are obviously skewed higher because his running game and defense support him. He's rarely in a must-throw situation.

Which is why I wanted to see attempts as well. When factoring attempts in, Wilson becomes less impressive and Tannehill/Luck more so.

I think it's the opposite. Tannehill has like 150 more attempts so his numbers are a little less impressive than Wilson if I have this right.

 

[jurb26]

Some efficiency numbers:

TD% Y/A INT%

R. Wilson 6.7 8.6 2.2

R. Tannehill 4.4 7.0 2.7

A. Luck 4.2 6.7 1.8

R. Griffin III 3.5 7.0 2.6

Wilson's are obviously skewed higher because his running game and defense support him. He's rarely in a must-throw situation.

Which is why I wanted to see attempts as well. When factoring attempts in, Wilson becomes less impressive and Tannehill/Luck more so.

I think it's the opposite. Tannehill has like 150 more attempts so his numbers are a little less impressive than Wilson if I have this right.

It's easier to be efficient with less attempts. It leads to the idea that Sea, as a team, is much better than the others. They have a better supporting cast and that affords Wilson better opportunities for success. I'd agree with that.

 

[Slapdash]

Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB:

Miami snapped the schneid against the Pats. A guy some Dolphins don’t know was key.

Last Monday morning, San Francisco practice squad safety Michael Thomas was sleeping in on a victory Monday for the Niners. A day off, other than getting a lift and a workout in at some point during the day. At 10:20 a.m., late for Thomas, he finally paid attention to the vibrating phone and sat up. He’d missed four calls from his agent, Christina Phillips, and a text that said, “WAKE UP! There’s a team that wants you. If you don’t wake up soon they’re going to move on.” Thomas called, and the team was Miami. There was no time to think. Miami was offering a spot on the 53-man roster, the Holy Grail for practice squad players, and seeing that Thomas had spent all 22 game weeks last year and all 14 weeks so far this year on the San Francisco practice squad, he figured he’d better grab an active-roster spot. There was a flight at 2:30 from San Francisco to Miami, and he had to be on it. He made it, not even bothering to close down his Bay Area apartment. “No time,” he said. “I was just like, ‘Holy crap! I gotta go!’ ”

Thomas began to get schooled Tuesday by Dolphins assistant defensive backs coach Blue Adams, but all week he got the sense that the more immediate focus would be on playing special teams against the Patriots Sunday. “I was going to start on the punt-return team, I knew that,” Thomas said Sunday afternoon from the Miami locker room. He took no defensive snaps all week.

The night before the game, Thomas heard about its importance: Miami hadn’t beaten New England in the last seven tries. If the Dolphins wanted to have a good shot at being a wild card team, this game was the big one. So on Sunday, Thomas went in and played his part, running down on two special teams units, making a tackle on one punt play. But by the fourth quarter, corners Nolan Carroll and Brent Grimes were down. Thomas is a safety. He played the position at Stanford and in practice for the Niners. But right now, in the last five minutes, Miami didn’t need a safety. The Dolphins had to have a corner.

“You want your opportunity?” Adams said. “It’s time.”

“I’m not gonna lie,” Thomas said by phone from the locker room Sunday afternoon, when it was over. “I was pretty emotional. I was going out there knowing Tom Brady was coming after me.”

On the first snap of the last New England series, Brady found Thomas. Brady threw to Danny Amendola for 11. On the second snap, he found Thomas. Brady threw to Shane Vereen for two. “I was out there, getting help from [safety] Reshad Jones,” said Thomas. “He’d basically tell me what to do on most plays, like where to go and who to cover.”

Brady got to the Miami 19, with 27 seconds left. First down. The defense broke the huddle and saw the spread New England formation. Jones nodded over to Amendola, split right. “You got no help,” Jones said to Thomas.

No help. A safety playing cornerback in his first NFL game, in his first NFL quarter, against Tom Brady, in single coverage against one of Brady’s favorite targets. Thomas ran with Amendola.

“Then there it was,” Thomas said. “Tom Brady throwing at me.”

The ball was over Thomas’ head, bound for Amendola’s hands. All Thomas could think of was the lesson he’d learned as a defensive back long ago. Play through his hands. As a trailer on the play, Thomas knew to do everything he could to disrupt the ball in Amendola’s hands, and he did. Thomas knocked the ball away. No touchdown. Huge play.

Three plays later. Fourth-and-5 from the 14. Likely the last chance for Brady. This time Thomas would be in the slot, determined not to let a Patriots receiver get behind him with any cushion. Again Brady threw at Thomas, for Austin Collie, with another Dolphin also in coverage. The ball never got to Collie. Thomas jumped and picked it off.

The players he barely knew now were jumping on him, slapping him, celebrating. “Mama, I did it! I did it!” Thomas yelled over and over, but no one could hear him. No one could hear anything, because the stadium was so loud. And after the game, he cried. In Joe Philbin’s post-game press conference, the coach seemed not to remember the name of the hero who broke up one touchdown pass in the end zone and then intercepted another. “We had a player in there that I think got into the building on Tuesday,” Philbin said. That just added to the lore.

“I am overwhelmed,” said Thomas. “It is so much to realize, how my life has changed and how this happened—Tom Brady throwing at me, and I answered the call. The only thing I can say is I am blessed.”

Next time you hear some coach say, “It takes all 53 to win,” think of Michael Thomas. Imagine if he’d slept a couple more hours last Monday. Maybe Miami would be on an eight-game losing streak to New England right now instead of a one-game winning streak.

Awesome story

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Really exciting time to be a Fins fan. Been so, so long since there has been any justifiable excitement. 17 is starting to take on the look of a true potential franchise QB, the WRs and TEs are making clutch catches, and the D is coming up big. If only they could run the ball, I would say we have a legit shot at doing what the Giants and Ravens have done in the post-season recently. That, I believe will be the Achilles heel. It can be addressed and remedied in the offseason though, so although I don't view this as a true championship team, I really like the direction that we are headed. We have a young core of players who seem to have both the heart and the talent to build a winner. Things just feel so differently then they have in such a long time...like the early 90's when 13 was still at the top of his game.

God I hope neither Buffalo or the Jets stifle this feeling in the next 2 weeks. In previous years, I would have been certain that they would. This team feels different. For now at least.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Nice stat...

Dave Hyde ‏@davehydesports 2h

RT "@brad_hargett Tannehill has led 8 scoring drives that started in the final 2 min of a half, 17 in final 5 min. Both lead NFL."

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Nice stat...

Dave Hyde ‏@davehydesports 2h

RT "@brad_hargett Tannehill has led 8 scoring drives that started in the final 2 min of a half, 17 in final 5 min. Both lead NFL."

If we could get him to run the offense the entire game like he does in the final 2 minutes of a half...

Listening to the Joe Rose podcast right now, he does the radio for the Dolphins games, happiest I have heard him in some time.

 

[Trey]

Phins control their own destiny..

Win the next 2 and you've got a 6 seed against a decidedly average 3 (whoever it might be).

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Phins control their own destiny..

Win the next 2 and you've got a 6 seed against a decidedly average 3 (whoever it might be).

I'm not sure that's right. If Baltimore and Miami finish in a 2-way tie, the Ravens won the H2H earlier. If it's more than 2 teams, I have no idea.

 

[wdh76]

Phins control their own destiny..

Win the next 2 and you've got a 6 seed against a decidedly average 3 (whoever it might be).

I'm not sure that's right. If Baltimore and Miami finish in a 2-way tie, the Ravens won the H2H earlier. If it's more than 2 teams, I have no idea.

Balt plays Ciny. To be at 10-6 they would have to beat them and then they would win the division. Mia beat Ciny and gets the 6 seed...

 

[SwampDawg]

Not to get too excited but in theory Miami can still get the #2 seed, they need NE to lose out, Baltimore and Buffalo (not likely) and the Colts lose at least one (KC this week ?) and then win out. They win the division and based on best division record of the 10-6 teams would be the #2 seed. Now that would be a shocker.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Be nice to see a few of our guys make it to Hawaii. I dont think our fan base is the best at voting. Guys like Grimes/Fields/Vernon definitely deserve to be there, and Wake, Tannehill, and Hartline should get some love from our fanbase that does take the time to vote. If you have a minute, here is a link to throw some votes our way. Omar Kelley has been pushing the issue, trying to get our fans to vote. Just doing my part to help the cause...

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/ballot/thank-you

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Looks like we are getting a second shot at Thad Lewis this week. Not that Manuel scares anybody right now, but this definitely looks on the surface like a nice break in a very important game.

E.J. Manuel (knee) has been ruled out for Week 16, and Thad Lewis will make the start against the Dolphins.
Manuel sprained his left knee last Sunday against the Jaguars. He practiced on Wednesday, but there's too much swelling on the knee. Coach Doug Marrone believes Lewis gives the Bills their best chance to win this week. Marrone thinks Manuel will be back to start against the Patriots in Week 17. Jeff Tuel will back Lewis up. Obviously, the Dolphins' defense becomes an even more enticing defense for fantasy Super Bowl week. Stevie Johnson also will not play.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

2009-Miami was 7-6, lost their last 3 regular season games and missed the playoffs.

2010-Miami was 7-6, shot at the playoffs, lost their last 3 games.

2013…Miami is now 8-6, play Buff and NYJ, both are very winnable games but 40 degree weather and the rain today, miami is going to have their hands full. Dan LeBatard called for a loss this weekend, one of the few locals to pu that out there, perhaps he is just jaded as so many of us are.

I hope they win today but I don't necessarily believe they will win today. It would be great o have a home game next week where we win and we're in, we haven't had that in a very long time.

Let's GO PHINS!!!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Phins control their own destiny..

Win the next 2 and you've got a 6 seed against a decidedly average 3 (whoever it might be).

Excellent point Trey, nobody at the 3 seed would scare me much if Miami were a #6 seed. Only team that scares me in the AFC is Denver and if Miami were somehow lucky enough to face them in say the AFCC I would still not be without hope as Manning over the years comes out short in a lot of big games during the playoffs.

If we can win today, I don't care if it's an ugly 17-14 game, just win baby!

 

[MoveToSkypager]

This is the most dangerous team in the wilcard hunt. I think Indy and Miami both win out and Miami wins in Indianapolis twice this year.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This is looking real ugly guys.

We had scenarios of possible 2 and 3 seed and now we are staring at being out of the playoffs with a loss and a Cinci win, Balt win, it's all over for us if that happens.

Step 1 and Step 2 in that scenarios is happening right now…Bengals are destroying Vikings early.

From we control out own destiny to being shut out today if things stay the same, incredible.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Game is unwatchable. We are putrid...again. Shame on all of us who ever thought otherwise. We should know better.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Game is unwatchable. We are putrid...again. Shame on all of us who ever thought otherwise. We should know better.

4 x he has been sacked on 3rd down in the first half, shameful performance by the OL, terrible pas protection and no play calling to counter this with some screen passes or anything quick on the slant in the middle.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Last Week = Coach of the Year Candidate. Franchise QB. Super Bowl Caliber Defense

This Week = Fire everyone

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Any chance that the Dolphins get retracted from the NFL over the bullying allegations? Maybe move to London over stadium dispute? I would love to have an excuse to pick a new favorite team.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

5-1 vs Brady, Ben, Ryan, Dalton, and Luck.

0-2 vs Thad Lewis.

How does that even make any sense?

 

[elmanx]

No true dolphins fan should be the least bit surprised by this result. This is what they do. The perform well enough against good teams to make casual observers believe in them and then they can't handle mediocre teams. Happens all the time.

Hope NE and CIN can bail us out (by both beating BAL), but what good would that really do. These guys are not a playoff caliber team. Getting to the playoffs would just take the focus off of all the work that needs to be done.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

No true dolphins fan should be the least bit surprised by this result. This is what they do. The perform well enough against good teams to make casual observers believe in them and then they can't handle mediocre teams. Happens all the time.

Hope NE and CIN can bail us out (by both beating BAL), but what good would that really do. These guys are not a playoff caliber team. Getting to the playoffs would just take the focus off of all the work that needs to be done.

Excellent post

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Miami no longer controls it's own destiny, Miami can still make the playoffs if they win next week and Baltimore loses. The Ravens getting shutout as well today.

Both Miami and Baltimore desperately needed a win today with a lot riding and both teams just embarrassing themselves today.

 

[elmanx]

Miami no longer controls it's own destiny, Miami can still make the playoffs if they win next week and Baltimore loses. The Ravens getting shutout as well today.

Both Miami and Baltimore desperately needed a win today with a lot riding and both teams just embarrassing themselves today.

At first I didn't think that Cinci had a lot of incentive to play hard next week which would have been bad for MIA. But Cinci should really try to win next week because

-if NE loses, they get a first round bye

-if they lose and IND wins, then they get KC in the first round

-if they win and MIA wins, then MIA will be a much better 1st round opponent for them than any other team they could face

I think it's going to be pretty sad if BAL loses next we and we can't beat the Jets. And, of course, that wouldn't surprise me either.

 

[mike9289]

Miami win, Raven win in Cincy and a SD win still puts Miami in, not that they deserve it. With KC locked in as the 5 and resting players hopefully and SD still alive (they need a Miami loss) there's a good chance this happens.

 

[elmanx]

Yeah, that scenario gets them in.

MIA is definitely still alive, but they don't really deserve it. Of course none of the other contenders for the 6 seed seem to deserve it much either.

Interestingly, if Cleveland had beaten the Jets, MIA could have possibly gotten in even with a loss next week.

 

[mike9289]

And a Jet loss would have knocked Pitt out. The Steelers are still alive.

How funny is this; nobody going for the #6 seed controls their own destiny.

 

[mike9289]

More strange doings;Miami and Baltimore both play at 1 pm. If they both win SD is eliminated. But if SD wins Miami makes the playoffs. If KC wins Baltimore makes it.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I think we can close the book on Both Daniel Thomas and Lamar Miller. Thomas is slow, cant pass protect, and rarely breaks a tackle. He really has no positive attributes. Miller is fast, but not instinctive, lacks vision, and cant break a tackle if his life depended on it. Might be a decent change of pace guy - along the lines of Jaquizz in Atlanta. Might not even be that. Has really not shown much at all in his 2 years.

This may not be a popular idea, but I personally would not mind seeing us deal a 4th or 5th round pick to New Orleans for Mark Ingram. He obviously does not fit their system, and probably has worn out his welcome. He is still very young, and as a workhorse, may be able to wear down defenses throughout the course of a game - something he never has a chance to do in New Orleans. At least he is someone who you can give the ball to on 3rd and 1 and have a chance of converting it. I know he hasnt been great at that in New Orleans, and I also know that he is not likely to become Gale Sayers in Miami, but I have to think he would represent a decent upgrade at a minimal cost. If not him, then they have to address this position with someone else. Cant go into 2014 with this same pathetic backfield.

 

[mike9289]

Did miller even play yesterday? I don't disagree that he hasn't shown much but Sherman hasn't tried to use the guy's talents at all. With Buffalo's pass rush, we should have swung Miller out and lofted a few passes to him, sort of the long handoff that the announcers always talk about.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Did miller even play yesterday? I don't disagree that he hasn't shown much but Sherman hasn't tried to use the guy's talents at all. With Buffalo's pass rush, we should have swung Miller out and lofted a few passes to him, sort of the long handoff that the announcers always talk about.

Agreed. Sherman has to go. No question.

Also agree that they should have used Miller on more creative plays. But he is not a starting feature back. Maybe a decent complimentary back for plays like you describe, but not a 20-carry, wear the defense down (like Fred Jackson did to us) type back. We need one of those guys. Daniel Thomas is not the one.

 

[Steve Tasker]

I think we can close the book on Both Daniel Thomas and Lamar Miller. Thomas is slow, cant pass protect, and rarely breaks a tackle.

I won't comment on the rest, but Thomas got embarrassed by Bills DB Nickell Robey late in the game yesterday. I don't know if you guys caught it or not. The hulking 5'7" 165 lb pass-rushing monster Robey came on a corner blitz and basically stutter-stepped and laid two fingers on Thomas and he fell on his ###. Robey got the sack. It was brutal for Thomas.

 

[lod01]

5-1 vs Brady, Ben, Ryan, Dalton, and Luck.

0-2 vs Thad Lewis.

How does that even make any sense?

Jesus, beaten twice by a guy that should be washing cars...and will be in about 2-3 more years. That's pathetic.

 

[lod01]

Did miller even play yesterday? I don't disagree that he hasn't shown much but Sherman hasn't tried to use the guy's talents at all. With Buffalo's pass rush, we should have swung Miller out and lofted a few passes to him, sort of the long handoff that the announcers always talk about.

Agreed. Sherman has to go. No question.

Also agree that they should have used Miller on more creative plays. But he is not a starting feature back. Maybe a decent complimentary back for plays like you describe, but not a 20-carry, wear the defense down (like Fred Jackson did to us) type back. We need one of those guys. Daniel Thomas is not the one.

Sherman is garbage. Just another recycled loser who is able to con his way onto a coaching staff. Loser everywhere he's been. Just lucky to be able to ride Favre at QB so he could get gigs elsewhere.

 

[SwampDawg]

This may not be a popular idea, but I personally would not mind seeing us deal a 4th or 5th round pick to New Orleans for Mark Ingram.

I wouldn't be opposed to this idea.

 

[Todem]

Yesterdays debacle magnifies just how piss poor this entire coaching staff is.

Not one adjustment.....not one single adjustment the entire day despite Buffalo doing everything in their power to allow us to get back into this game and steal one on the road. My breaking point came when Wheeler commited the dumbest penalty of the year. We had Buffalo pinned back on their first series of the second half...had a 3 and out.....called back because of a silly, boneheaded hands to the face penalty. They proceeded to eat the entire clock in the 3rd quarter.....then settle for a FG! We still had a shot down 13-0.

This team's performance yesterday is probably the worst I have seen since that tragic playoff loss to the jaguars in 1999 which put Jimmy Johnson and Dan Marino on a permanent vacation.

Utterly in-excusable how unprepared this team was yesterday. Top to bottom...players coaches, water boy, it was a complete and utter failure. The players have to look at themselves in the mirror today and really dig deep. They were putrid....not one redeeming thing was done yesterday. I was completely blown away how bad they really played.

A total goose egg in the biggest game of the year. But look around the league yesterday. Baltimore was blown out, Chicago was totally destroyed.....not like we were the only team that got their ### handed to them.

This is todays NFL. Nothing seperates most teams at all......except coaching.

A side note in regards to Tannehill. He has improved this season....no question. But his pocket presence is putrid this year. Not all the sacks are his fault....but at least 25-35% of them are. He has lousy footwork in the pocket (actually zero footwork), and the fact this coaching staff did not roll him out once yesterday shows how patheic they are. He is one of the best QB's I have seen in the league right now....who can throw on the run. He really is good at that. You would think they would have packages for him to do that by now.

Miller. The guy got 3 carries yesterday. How in the world can he have any impact on the game when he get's 3 carries....this coaching staff has utterly misused his talent. They have no clue how to use him. Let Andy Reid or Chip Kelly get a hold of him....and I can assure you he is an impact player. He may not be feature back material.....but he needs 12-15 touches a game to have any impact (see Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles Jamal Charles, etc etc as how to use RB's in the passing game). Daniel Thomas is an utter bust.....the guy can't do anything special and will be gone next season. This team is the worst screen team in the league.....they did not even attempt one in a game that demanded draws and screens.....again lousy, lifeless coaching. It was pathetic. How do these two guys have jobs (Philbin and Sherman) really...honest question. They are awful.

I would not trade for a RB......the draft will be full of quality this year at that position. OL and RB is a huge need and we still need another impact WR. Gibson's injury was very serious and Matthews while decent is just another player. Hartline is solid....but to me not the long term answer opposite Wallace. I want a big, physical WR (oh wait we had one in Brandon Marshall and could have drafted one in Dez Bryant) opposite Wallace....who by all means is running wide open weekly....but we see Tannehill can't throw a good deep ball at all. He must work on that this summer....big time. If not we might as well start talking about another QB. I am serious.....he can't throw a good 30 yard plus pass......you can't be a franchise QB if you can't hit your best WR in stride when he is running free......every week.