***Official*** Dwayne Washington, RB, DET (1 Viewer)

[Dismattle]

Hes probably gotta trade (pay top dollar) for one or the other

 

[Ghost Rider]

FTFY. The Loins are going to be playing defense all day and the O will be playing from behind. This is tailor-made for Riddick to get 8-12 catches. 

 If these were the Packers of 2-3 years ago they were playing, I would agree, but the Packers haven't been blowing anybody out for a while now.  I think it will be a close game. I nabbed Washington in several leagues, but will probably wait for him to do something first before I start him (which is helped by the fact that I don't need him to start; my depth was good already). 

 

[matuski]

Its hard not too eh..

What we thinking 65 yds  maybe two scores?

Id really like to say  "Watch the pack get exposed"  But, its hard to count Rodgers out, aint it?

As much as I could foresee 80 yds n two scores..  I think we need to sit him on bn, and observe.

Id even be okay with ignoring the results in some respects next week..  GB could dictate a different game if ya will.

But I mean if ya got a sure back destined to get carries/receptions  I cant write it..  I know some of ya could care less, but id think about starting him OKAY!

Id like to hear more info on the whose, whats why (if possible)

Nickname if we (most) of us can agree to use it  Swaggy Dwayne  some just say Swaggy

Whats "itchy" exactly   Is it something nice for the Coach to say to a kid whose trying, but puts the ball on the ground  Or  retching because of nerves before the game

Has anybody found his entire injury history?  (think its a wee bit)   Not that it means a whole hill of beans

Can someone honestly explain how the College stopped his promotion (ranking)  I know Coachs love saying the best player plays   They couldnt Coach him ?

Now I understand that he was demoted, and would see less time   But forgoing his Senior Yr. seems kinda sketchy

Ive also seen different takes on his receiving  (He likes AP  / AP doesnt catch much!)  Anybody seen someone they sorta trust imply good hands?

Think I read his pro-day or something wasnt superb as far as catching the ball

Paragraphs.

full sentences.

good.

 

[matuski]

Or maybe his hands are why he converted to RB.

He made a PAC10 team at WR.. at worst his hands will be above average for a RB.

 

[Dismattle]

The Gase offense with him as HC doesn't seem to want to make a RB a real bell cow. In Detroit I think they would welcome 1 RB they could get behind. You always want a 65/35 split even with a true workhorse but one team seems like a better fit over the other

"Special" can mean not so good sometimes. Saban said he was more of a specialty player. 

Im not sure you guys will follow me..

I recall watching a back who wasnt the best RB on the field  (maybe not the best way to say this)

But I do recall hearing Saban saying something like  yeah  hes not an every down or something or other  but hes a great kid  (IT Fit)

UIm no scout  Saban knows football but doesnt come across as a brain surgeon

Players who mature, and continue growing is what we need to consider   if hes an older back (24)  Ouch I dunno

 

[matuski]

Im not sure you guys will follow me..

I recall watching a back who wasnt the best RB on the field  (maybe not the best way to say this)

But I do recall hearing Saban saying something like  yeah  hes not an every down or something or other  but hes a great kid  (IT Fit)

UIm no scout  Saban knows football but doesnt come across as a brain surgeon

Players who mature, and continue growing is what we need to consider   if hes an older back (24)  Ouch I dunno

Your posting is brutal. Please organize and punctuate.

You may be offering something valuable, but I sure as hell have no idea what it might be.

 

[Dismattle]

Your posting is brutal. Please organize and punctuate.

You may be offering something valuable, but I sure as hell have no idea what it might be.

It felt terrible to write too..

I wanted to say cut/trade both backs, and acquire the other two.. LOL

I love youth too much!

 

[matuski]

It felt terrible to write too..

I wanted to say cut/trade both backs, and acquire the other two.. LOL

I love youth too much!

Is English your first language?

 

[tangfoot]

 If these were the Packers of 2-3 years ago they were playing, I would agree, but the Packers haven't been blowing anybody out for a while now.  I think it will be a close game. I nabbed Washington in several leagues, but will probably wait for him to do something first before I start him (which is helped by the fact that I don't need him to start; my depth was good already). 

Revisionist history. The Pack came out last year and dropped 31, 27, and 38 before Rodgers and Cobb got hurt. And later in the season they scored 29 @CAR, 30 @MIN, then 27, 30 and 28 three weeks in a row (two road games). 

You're making the mistake that many (a majority of?) others make: conflating last week's performance to "the new normal". 

 

[The Captain]

Even though I picked him up I find myself not being able to pull the trigger on slotting him into my starting lineup this week. I want to.....

Unless you have no other options I wouldnt start him either. Not yet at least. I'm not until I see how he's used and what he can do. 

 

[rickyg]

My other options are

Crowell with a 3rd string qb and Pryor as the #1 wr and stacked boxes.  Not good. 

Jeremy hill in a crazy tough matchup vs Denver. 

Kevin white vs Dallas - he intrigues me this week BC Dallas is beatable, Jeffrey is hobbled, and hoyer tends to lock onto a wr and feed him.  High ceiling low floor.  

Kenny Britt in a great matchup vs TB. 

I know this sounds crazy but I'm thinking its bw Washington, white, and Britt.  

Standard scoring. 

 

[Dismattle]

Lets pretend you are a dynasty owner rostering both foster and Abdullah.  

Drake and Washington are both out there. 

Who do you like better?  It seems like Washington has a better Chance of being a potential workhorse?  But maybe drake is more of a special athlete?

Hypothetically.

Larry  You thinking 3 down back, or like a contributor..

Finding a 3 down back from the choices may get kinda hard..

Personally, I dont know how to view Miami's organization..  It appears to often to make mistakes (newsworthy ones)

(Im already thinking the old Coach maximized Miller the best too)  YES I know Im wrong, Im just saying okay!

Think ya need to present your take to the right people, and listen for a good response..

It just so happens that I own both, but I will be needing to adjust for IDP byes soon enough too..

Id love to hear who ya go with and why   Especially if ya cant include anything Ive talked on n on about

 

[Interseptopus]

I kind of have to start him...

 

[ponchsox]

I've got him in over Crowell in standard. I'm driving my shiny new toy off the lot.

 

[Ilov80s]

I've got him in over Crowell in standard. I'm driving my shiny new toy off the lot.

That's a bit too risky for me. I know it's only been 2 weeks but Crow is RB6 in standard. He could totally fall off but he's proven enough to play ahead of Washington.

 

[jurrassic]

I am starting him over Jennings

 

[BobbyLayne]

Theoretical choices:

WR: Enunwa, Michael Thomas

RB: Ingram, Freeman, Duke, Washington

Pick 3 (2 RB + 1 Flex)

Thought process:

Enunwa leads the Jets in receptions and Marshall is likely out. Hoping one of the rookie WR starts & Enunwa stays in the slot. Snead missed Thu & Fri with a toe so Thomas may see more targets but with the Saints WRs you never know what the distribution will be.

Neither of my starting RBs is a must start due to disappointing usage. Each has a good history of production in this series. MNF. Coin flip between the two, maybe a slight edge to Ingram because Freeman is not involved in the passing game this year.

Duke might seem like an obvious no. Crowell is the lead dog & DJJ hasn't done much. Bad matchup. But the game flow & a check down rookie QB are in his favor. Full PPR.

Which brings us to D-Wayne Swagger. Theo is the 13th highest paid RB in the NFL, matched his career high in rush att week 1, had a new career high week 2. Caught 80 balls last year & being used in much the same role this year. He's a very effective role player. Washington has production at every step of the way this year. KR? 98 yard TD. Led the team in rushing in and YPC in the PS. Used as a GL back Week 1 & scored. 4-31 last week in spot duty. Should be a good receiver but hasn't been utilized.

Still not sure but it's honestly very hard to rationalize starting Swagger this week in PPR. But again, he has yet to disappoint in the limited chances he has received so far.

 

[rjv]

It's close. I had Martin, Abdullah, Jstew, and Ryan Matthews. Cmike was my #5, he's now my #1, Charlie Sims is my new #2, and holding Washington, Alfred Morris, and CAP, just in case. Might sub one in Sunday morning for Sims if I get that tingle. 

@Walking Boot, you might just consider playing Washington due to the fact he has much more upside of all you mentioned besides CMike

 

[Interseptopus]

Bell abdullah Washington mccluster and Gio here... 

 

[BobbyLayne]

Detroit is third in YPC this year @ 5.4. Green Bay has the number one rush defense @ 1.6.

Lions O-line:

RT: Riley Reiff - career LT, moved over this year & has been excellent.

RG: Larry Warford - also off to a great start, he's a road grader when healthy.

C: Travis Swanson - one of the worst centers in the league last year & the Lions drafted another C. After a poor PS, he's actually done a good job so far.

LG: Laken Tomlinson - might be the worst starting OL in the NFL. Has given up two sacks, made costly penalties, & has nearly gotten Theo killed a couple times.

LT: Taylor Decker - was definitely not ready for the speed of NFL edge rushers when he came to TC, but he's improving.

The Lions are most effective running to their right side. Washington has never been an effective inside rusher - he's a bit upright, doesn't lower his pads to take on smaller tacklers - but the Lions have been trying to coach him up.

Not expecting Swagger to be involved in the passing game. Riddick is the best pass catching back in the league, why go away from what works?

 

[Plorfu]

I'm probably starting him over Matt Jones.

 

[lod001]

Lets pretend you are a dynasty owner rostering both foster and Abdullah.  

Drake and Washington are both out there. 

Who do you like better?  It seems like Washington has a better Chance of being a potential workhorse?  But maybe drake is more of a special athlete?

Hypothetically.

I was a dynasty owner rostering Foster. I cut him for Washington.

 

[Chaka]

Right now I am starting Crowell & Hyde.

BUT, I am thinking of putting him in for one of these 2 since it is a start 2 RB 1/2 point PPR league. Bell is back for me next week.

I've got him in over Crowell in standard. I'm driving my shiny new toy off the lot.

Right now Washington is on my bench.  I am starting Crow as my flex but even if I change my mind, which I am strongly considering with the QB/WR situation in Cle,  it would be in favor of Ajayi or Tajae Sharpe before I would consider putting Washington in my lineup.  

There are too many unknowns with Washington, even more than with Ajayi, who is going to start this week. With Crow I am confident that Hue Jackson has game planned for a minimum of 15 touches, whether that plays out or not is another issue but Hue clearly wants to feed him the rock.  And Sharpe looks like the obvious #1 target in Tennessee with a very plus match-up.

I am excited about Washington but we need to see something before running him out there over other options, particularly when those options have a higher floor and just as high of a ceiling.

 

[kyoun1e]

I picked up Washington myself, but I'm honestly shocked how many people are considering starting him over solid options.

Reasons against:

* Theo is going to get most of the touches.

* We don't know if Zenner is out of the picture.

* The game is in GB. The game script could go the wrong way. Riddick dominates touches.

* GB's run D looked pretty damn tough last week...on the road.

I'm in wait and see mode and hoping I've found a diamond in the rough.

If you're desperate with nothing to lose and no other options, got it.

 

[flipcuplegend]

you guys are crazy for starting dwayne washington this week.  the packers defense is banged up with injuries however this game is likely to be won in the air as stafford plays well against green bay.  theo riddick will get his chance to be the guy initially and yes there is potential for washington to come in on short yardage plays (forget the zenner talk lol) to swoop up a touchdown and 50 yards but that's it.

crowell will get 15 plus touches guaranteed against miami's crappy run d.  no way i'd bench him for washington who is more of a stash and see what happens RB.

 

[jurrassic]

From a Packers perspective, they will be without Matthews, Morgan, Shields, Guion and Jones on defense tomorrow.  

 

[Plorfu]

 and yes there is potential for washington to come in on short yardage plays to swoop up a touchdown and 50 yards but that's it.

I'd shove a basket of puppies into traffic if it meant I could get this statline tomorrow.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

you guys are crazy for starting dwayne washington this week.  the packers defense is banged up with injuries however this game is likely to be won in the air as stafford plays well against green bay.  theo riddick will get his chance to be the guy initially and yes there is potential for washington to come in on short yardage plays (forget the zenner talk lol) to swoop up a touchdown and 50 yards but that's it.

crowell will get 15 plus touches guaranteed against miami's crappy run d.  no way i'd bench him for washington who is more of a stash and see what happens RB.

This is what I'm thinking too. I picked him up in 2 leagues but have him on the bench this week to see how he is used

 

[Bad_Mo]

Detroit is third in YPC this year @ 5.4. Green Bay has the number one rush defense @ 1.6.

Lions O-line:

RT: Riley Reiff - career LT, moved over this year & has been excellent.

RG: Larry Warford - also off to a great start, he's a road grader when healthy.

C: Travis Swanson - one of the worst centers in the league last year & the Lions drafted another C. After a poor PS, he's actually done a good job so far.

LG: Laken Tomlinson - might be the worst starting OL in the NFL. Has given up two sacks, made costly penalties, & has nearly gotten Theo killed a couple times.

LT: Taylor Decker - was definitely not ready for the speed of NFL edge rushers when he came to TC, but he's improving.

The Lions are most effective running to their right side. Washington has never been an effective inside rusher - he's a bit upright, doesn't lower his pads to take on smaller tacklers - but the Lions have been trying to coach him up.

Not expecting Swagger to be involved in the passing game. Riddick is the best pass catching back in the league, why go away from what works?

Great stuff

 

[rickyg]

That's a bit too risky for me. I know it's only been 2 weeks but Crow is RB6 in standard. He could totally fall off but he's proven enough to play ahead of Washington.

Disagree.  Crow's situation has hanged dramatically from week 2 to week 3.  The qb situation and Corey colemans injury is going to be a serious downgrad for the entire offense.  Miami d is going to tee off on the rookie and stack the box forcing him to throw.  

There wont be nearly as many scoring opps for the offense IMO and if you take away that one break away run he had in week 2 he was below average. 

I own crow and would be totally comfortable with him in my flex if mckown was still playing but with the rookie qb he poses equal risk to Washington except Washington is on a better offense.  

 

[Chaka]

Disagree.  Crow's situation has hanged dramatically from week 2 to week 3.  The qb situation and Corey colemans injury is going to be a serious downgrad for the entire offense.  Miami d is going to tee off on the rookie and stack the box forcing him to throw.  

There wont be nearly as many scoring opps for the offense IMO and if you take away that one break away run he had in week 2 he was below average. 

I own crow and would be totally comfortable with him in my flex if mckown was still playing but with the rookie qb he poses equal risk to Washington except Washington is on a better offense.  

Crow is not an equal risk because, unlike Washington, Crow is guaranteed to be a big part of the game plan.  We have no idea what to expect out of Detroit's game plan.

Crow's team has changed around him but his head coach loves him, wants to feed him the ball and has said as much repeatedly.  So while he may find tough sledding he will be the focal point of the offense and that is more than you can say for most RBs in the league.  Certainly more than you can hope from Washington.

The only argument in Washington's favor is he is the goal line guy for Detroit but so is Crow in Cleveland.

Starting Washington over Crow is hoping for an inside straight on the river.  Sometimes it works out but most of the time you end up going bust.

 

[rickyg]

Crow is not an equal risk because, unlike Washington, Crow is guaranteed to be a big part of the game plan.  We have no idea what to expect out of Detroit's game plan.

Crow's team has changed around him but his head coach loves him, wants to feed him the ball and has said as much repeatedly.  So while he may find tough sledding he will be the focal point of the offense and that is more than you can say for most RBs in the league.  Certainly more than you can hope from Washington.

The only argument in Washington's favor is he is the goal line guy for Detroit but so is Crow in Cleveland.

Starting Washington over Crow is hoping for an inside straight on the river.  Sometimes it works out but most of the time you end up going bust.

I'll agree and give you that.  Crow seems to be guaranteed a much bigger workload. Washington is definitely more of a wild card with level of involvement.  

But my fear is the very real possibility of a stat line like 18 for 45 yards from crow.  Not nc I don't like him.  I think he's very underrated.  When mckown comes back and Gordon comes back there will be room to run.  

I am very tantalized by Washington's upside.  I think I'd rather play Washington with his 10-12 touches this week on a better offense than crow and his 18 touches in a week where his offense might not even get a 1st down.  

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Disagree.  Crow's situation has hanged dramatically from week 2 to week 3.  The qb situation and Corey colemans injury is going to be a serious downgrad for the entire offense.  Miami d is going to tee off on the rookie and stack the box forcing him to throw.  

There wont be nearly as many scoring opps for the offense IMO and if you take away that one break away run he had in week 2 he was below average. 

I own crow and would be totally comfortable with him in my flex if mckown was still playing but with the rookie qb he poses equal risk to Washington except Washington is on a better offense.  

Have you seen the tape from last week? Miami whiffed on a lot of tackles. Why will that change this week? Jelani Jenkins? Oof!

 

[rickyg]

Have you seen the tape from last week? Miami whiffed on a lot of tackles. Why will that change this week? Jelani Jenkins? Oof!

No don't do this to me MOP!  I picked up Miami d to stream this week!  Lol 

 

[Tommy Collins]

That's a bit too risky for me. I know it's only been 2 weeks but Crow is RB6 in standard. He could totally fall off but he's proven enough to play ahead of Washington.

Crowell had 1 good week last week. He now has Hessler as his QB this week with Coleman out and Pryor not doing much. Defenses will stack the box against Crowell and there isn't anything they can do about it.

After not being able to move the ball, even against bad/average teams they will get behind and have to throw more to try to catch up.

I'm a Crowell owner desperately trying to trade him.

 

[Tommy Collins]

Detroit is third in YPC this year @ 5.4. Green Bay has the number one rush defense @ 1.6

The Packers played the Jags (Yeldon) and Vikings (averaging < 2 YPC). Stats can be deceiving.

 

[VaTerp]

This is a bad matchup.  GB run D is legit and even with the injuries they still have Mike Daniels who spends a lot of time on the other side of the line of scrimmage.

But I'm starting Washington over Rashad Jennings.  F it.

 

[thatguythere]

Same situation here.  With news of all the gb Def injuries I'm leaning toward washington.  I don't like the cast situation with jennings.

weather might be a factor in gb.

https://weather.com/weather/radar/interactive/l/USWI0288:1:US?animation=true&layer=radarConus&zoom=8

click future....

 

[Banger]

As a Washington owner wanting him to get a shot.....I think it's fine that they face a tough defense as they were reportedly going to give Riddick a big workload...so they can give the workload to Riddick, hopefully he fails  and they turn to plan B. 

 

[Nagle2998]

Detroit is third in YPC this year @ 5.4. Green Bay has the number one rush defense @ 1.6.

Lions O-line:

RT: Riley Reiff - career LT, moved over this year & has been excellent.

RG: Larry Warford - also off to a great start, he's a road grader when healthy.

C: Travis Swanson - one of the worst centers in the league last year & the Lions drafted another C. After a poor PS, he's actually done a good job so far.

LG: Laken Tomlinson - might be the worst starting OL in the NFL. Has given up two sacks, made costly penalties, & has nearly gotten Theo killed a couple times.

LT: Taylor Decker - was definitely not ready for the speed of NFL edge rushers when he came to TC, but he's improving.

The Lions are most effective running to their right side. Washington has never been an effective inside rusher - he's a bit upright, doesn't lower his pads to take on smaller tacklers - but the Lions have been trying to coach him up.

Not expecting Swagger to be involved in the passing game. Riddick is the best pass catching back in the league, why go away from what works?

First great breakdown the one thing I wish I knew more about teams is their Oline especially when picking up their rb's. I will tell you this Jason Kelce center for the Eagles will give Tomlinson a run as worst Olineman in the NFL this year. I had Riddick on my dynasty team already but added Washington this week I honestly don't care who starts just please no rbbc

 

[Ministry of Pain]

First great breakdown the one thing I wish I knew more about teams is their Oline especially when picking up their rb's. I will tell you this Jason Kelce center for the Eagles will give Tomlinson a run as worst Olineman in the NFL this year. I had Riddick on my dynasty team already but added Washington this week I honestly don't care who starts just please no rbbc

RBBC before Abdullah, nothing is going to change IMO. 

 

[boilerdave]

In the league that I picked up Washington we can only carry 4 RBs and have to start 2. So I'll be playing him with DeAngelo. Bell and Rawls on my bench.

 

[tricky92]

As a Washington owner wanting him to get a shot.....I think it's fine that they face a tough defense as they were reportedly going to give Riddick a big workload...so they can give the workload to Riddick, hopefully he fails  and they turn to plan B. 

Sinister! I like it.

 

[Ilov80s]

Crowell had 1 good week last week. He now has Hessler as his QB this week with Coleman out and Pryor not doing much. Defenses will stack the box against Crowell and there isn't anything they can do about it.

After not being able to move the ball, even against bad/average teams they will get behind and have to throw more to try to catch up.

I'm a Crowell owner desperately trying to trade him.

Crowell was also good in week 2. 14 touches for 78 and a TD. 5.2  ypc. 

 

[sho nuff]

From a Packers perspective, they will be without Matthews, Morgan, Shields, Guion and Jones on defense tomorrow.  

Definitely big being that beat up on D and missing Clay and Guion.

 

[Chaka]

I'll agree and give you that.  Crow seems to be guaranteed a much bigger workload. Washington is definitely more of a wild card with level of involvement.  

But my fear is the very real possibility of a stat line like 18 for 45 yards from crow.  Not nc I don't like him.  I think he's very underrated.  When mckown comes back and Gordon comes back there will be room to run.  

I am very tantalized by Washington's upside.  I think I'd rather play Washington with his 10-12 touches this week on a better offense than crow and his 18 touches in a week where his offense might not even get a 1st down.  

How do we know Washington is going to get 10-12 touches?  Couldn't he also get 6-8 touches?  0-5 touches?  Couldn't he also turn those 10-12 touches into a 2.5 YPC like you worry about for Crow?  You are betting that not only will he get double digit touches but he will turn those into 4.5 YPC which would make Washington top 11 in the league out of 45 RBs in YPC.

I am not trying to harsh anyone's mellow on Washington, I hope he blows up, seizes the #1 job in Detroit, turns into the next David Johnson and carries me to a championship.  And he certainly could start that today with 100 yards and 2 TDs, which would suck to have on your bench but unless you are completely depleted by injuries starting Washington is akin to throwing darts with a blindfold and no idea where the board is and hoping to hit the bulls-eye.  It's using your money to buy power ball tickets and not investing regularly in your IRA.

 

[Milkman]

As a Washington owner wanting him to get a shot.....I think it's fine that they face a tough defense as they were reportedly going to give Riddick a big workload...so they can give the workload to Riddick, hopefully he fails  and they turn to plan B. 

Washington is going to force Detroit to play him more. Now that doesn't mean they won't be ######ed and ignore him but he'll be their best option the rest of the year including when AA comes back. 

As long as he doesn't fumble. Which is a big question mark. 

 

[Chaka]

Crowell was also good in week 2. 14 touches for 78 and a TD. 5.2  ypc. 

But 40 of those yards came on three draw plays in garbage time so they don't count as much.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

This is a bad matchup.  GB run D is legit and even with the injuries they still have Mike Daniels who spends a lot of time on the other side of the line of scrimmage.

But I'm starting Washington over Rashad Jennings.  F it.

I am now considering Darkwa over Washington.  

 

[wormburner]

This just in from Rotoworld~


According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Ameer Abdullah (ankle, foot) is expected to return shortly after the Lions' bye in Week 10.
Abdullah was placed on injured reserve this week with a badly sprained foot/ankle. He can be activated in eight weeks if the Lions make him their designated player to return. Barring any setbacks, that seems to be the most likely scenario. Theo Riddick is going to be the featured back in his absence with seventh-round Dwayne Washington also taking on more work.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Sep 25 - 9:57 AM
 
IF Washington performs well, this could be similar to the Spencer Ware/Jamaal Charles situation in KC, prompting another Sell High or Hold thread. 
 
FWIW, I'm holding Ware.