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***Official*** Dwayne Washington, RB, DET (2 Viewers)

C-Bound said:
Nope, that other guy.  Trust me.
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No, you're being a huge tool. Are your postings even remotely constructive or are they antagonizing? Is this really why people come to the shark pool? People here in this thread are trying to have a meaningful discussion on what to expect and how they value a rather unknown commodity who could turn out to be a flop or a huge steal. Isn't that what this forum is for? If you want to be a tool go somewhere else

I get it, you missed out on him and you're having jokes hoping he falls flat on his face and u don't have egg on your face. That's fine. But if you want to be obnoxious go to a different forum. 

 
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Dr. Brew said:
No, you're bring a huge tool. Are your postings even remotely constructive or are they antagonizing? Is this really why people come to the shark pool? People here in this thread are trying to have a meaningful discussion on what to expect and how they value a rather unknown commodity who could turn out to be a flop or a huge steal. Isn't that what this forum is for? If you want to be a tool go somewhere else

I get it, you missed out on him and you're having jokes hoping he falls flat on his face and u don't have egg on your face. That's fine. But if you want to be obnoxious go to a different forum. 
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:goodposting:

Like I alluded to previously, those who went WR heavy in the draft are exactly looking for this type of situation to arise in the season.  So when the situation does arise we have forums like this to evaluate the player and situation.

 
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Chaka said:
Well it's not really rain and barely a cloud on the horizon.  Was ZZ even active last week, if he was active did he see any snaps?  If he was he didn't touch the ball.  I don't see him as a big threat for touches anywhere on the field at this point, but it is a dynamic situation so I guess that could change.
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Looks like Zenner was inactive weeks 1 and 2, but active last week.  Again, nothing to go on here other than advising caution against simply assuming Washington is gonna get GL carries just because he is 1) big and 2) way better than Riddick as a runner.  Indeed, his college tape doesn't suggest to me that he runs anywhere near his size so just suggesting a tamping of the brakes, not trying bring this hype train to a complete stop.

Hoping i I see him used AND effective in those short yardage situations this week as that will make me feel a lot more comfortable using him as a bye week filler at least or my RB2 (dare I dream).

anyway, sorry for momentarily derailing the hype train.  Where did we leave off?  Was it Adrian Peterson rushing record or Flipper Anderson's yards from scrimmage record we had pegged as this week's floor? 

Choo choo ?

 
There is definitely some hype.....but it seems warranted depending on each individual's situation. I know I'm excited to have him on my team in hopes he ascends to greatness. I won't be starting him this week even though I'm tempted. Some folks are in the position that they have to.

I'm enjoying the banter in here and appreciate the quality information being posted. I just skip over obvious vitriol. Thanks to those of you having/providing meaningful conversation!

 
Ruffrodys05 said:
There is definitely some hype.....but it seems warranted depending on each individual's situation. I know I'm excited to have him on my team in hopes he ascends to greatness. I won't be starting him this week even though I'm tempted. Some folks are in the position that they have to.

I'm enjoying the banter in here and appreciate the quality information being posted. I just skip over obvious vitriol. Thanks to those of you having/providing meaningful conversation!
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Solid post. There is potential here. I wish I had sat Gio for Washington but I was not ready to take that risk.  I hope Washington breaks out this week. 

 
Jimbo Slice said:
I'm getting cold feet...

Might flex Maclin back in over him
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Can't imagine why.  Is it because he is the primary ball carrier on a team that can't run, is frequently trailing, competes with another back (Riddick) who is an excellent receiver out of the backfield and for only the second game all year will have another back (Zenner) on the active roster whose ONLY discernible skill is short yardage/goal line work.

Yes, he's playing Chicago this week and yes he could but up 80 yards and a TD...but he could also post 8 carries for 40 yards with no catches and no TDs

tough call this week for you as both Washington and Maclin have bust AND bust out potential.  Good luck with the decision.  

 
Why are we even worried about his use in GL? Washington has punched it in once this year already and they gave him 2 chances to do it. When you have someone you trust with a job and have done in their first NFL action, why would you pull it from them and give it to someone who didn't offer enough to even be active. Zenner has a 17 for 60 yard line, no TD's and doesn't catch the ball at all. He is strictly a backup and special teamer. I have picked Washington up in my 3 leagues but starting him in one over CAP. 

 
mnmplayer said:
Didn't they have like a 15 round draft in the 90s. I don't think anyone went undrafted ... but cool fake story bro?!
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Not a fake story jackass, and no, there weren't 15 rounds in 1995, there were 7.  I may have forgotten when they were both taken (and I clearly stated "to my memory" in the first place, that was a long time ago) but get your own facts straight before being an ###.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_NFL_Draft

 
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Deaddawg said:
Why are we even worried about his use in GL? Washington has punched it in once this year already and they gave him 2 chances to do it. When you have someone you trust with a job and have done in their first NFL action, why would you pull it from them and give it to someone who didn't offer enough to even be active. Zenner has a 17 for 60 yard line, no TD's and doesn't catch the ball at all. He is strictly a backup and special teamer. I have picked Washington up in my 3 leagues but starting him in one over CAP. 
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Look, am not saying that Zenner is the GL back, but also not ready to automatically anoint Washington in this role either.  Just telling you that his college tape suggests that he is NOT physical, doesn't get his pad level down and fumbles ALOT*  Maybe he's fixed ALL those things** but until I see him used that way (with Zenner active) AND see him effective at it, I will remain cautiously optimistic.

*10 fumbles in 226 carries in college is NOT the guy I would want to count on as my goal line back if I were the lions coaching staff, but what do I know I'm just a fantasy football nerd.

** he certainly ran with good aggressiveness and physicality last week

 
Can also simply observe that there are several current backs in the NFL who are or have been quite good and went late or undrafted.  Legarrette Blount, Arian Foster, Isaiah Crowell and CJ Anderson all went undrafted. Same point.

 
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Morton Muffley said:
Can't imagine why.  Is it because he is the primary ball carrier on a team that can't run, is frequently trailing, competes with another back (Riddick) who is an excellent receiver out of the backfield and for only the second game all year will have another back (Zenner) on the active roster whose ONLY discernible skill is short yardage/goal line work.

Yes, he's playing Chicago this week and yes he could but up 80 yards and a TD...but he could also post 8 carries for 40 yards with no catches and no TDs

tough call this week for you as both Washington and Maclin have bust AND bust out potential.  Good luck with the decision.  
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Way to really analyze the situation and point out the obvious, Einstein.  You've pretty much covered about 90% of the FF players in your crack analysis here.  You could have just said "He may or may not score points this week" and it would have been just as analytical and helpful.

BTW, that was complete :sarcasm:    You're not really helping anyone in here at all.  You should probably stop posting.

 
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Crazysight said:
Not a fake story jackass, and no, there weren't 15 rounds in 1995, there were 7.  I may have forgotten when they were both taken (and I clearly stated "to my memory" in the first place, that was a long time ago) but get your own facts straight before being an ###.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_NFL_Draft
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Get my facts straight? I didn't present any facts. I asked a question to the forum because the story sounded extremely fishy and I knew someone would look into this fake story bro (and someone did and proved you wrong so my question went answered) ... then said I don't think anyone you mentioned went undrafted (which was true) ... and you went back and did your homework ... good job finding out that fact about 7 rounds in 1995, but you forgot to mention they were both drafted before the 7th round which was the point of your argument in backing up Washington as a talent?  I wasn't going to spend any time looking it up so glad someone else did. I am pretty sure they had 15 draft picks at some point back in the day, not going to go fact check that either, but then again I'm not touting some delusion about uncovering some undrafted gems like Terrell Davis and using that to back up my argument for Washington having the same potential.

ETA You said so pompously, "one of whom was a late round pick and the other went undrafted to their respective teams, to my memory.  Their names were Curtis Martin and Terrell Davis... maybe you've heard of them?"

 
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MaxThreshold said:
Way to really analyze the situation and point out the obvious, Einstein.  You've pretty much covered about 90% of the FF players in your crack analysis here.  You could have just said "He may or may not score points this week" and it would have been just as analytical and helpful.

BTW, that was complete :sarcasm:    You're not really helping anyone in here at all.  You should probably stop posting.
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Yeah, it was subtle but I picked up the sarcasm with the "Einstein" comment.  No need to apologize for being discourteous, you are now on ignore.  Have a great day.

 
Dr. Brew said:
No, you're being a huge tool. Are your postings even remotely constructive or are they antagonizing? Is this really why people come to the shark pool? People here in this thread are trying to have a meaningful discussion on what to expect and how they value a rather unknown commodity who could turn out to be a flop or a huge steal. Isn't that what this forum is for? If you want to be a tool go somewhere else

I get it, you missed out on him and you're having jokes hoping he falls flat on his face and u don't have egg on your face. That's fine. But if you want to be obnoxious go to a different forum. 
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Ummm what?  The only "antagonizing" posts I have made are replies to the Scientist guy's hyperbole.  And even that's all in fun.  Why are you taking the possibility that Washington might not work out, personally.   I actually have Washington on one of teams.  If he does well, great.

 
Ilov80s said:
He did in week 1 when ZZ was inactive. ZZ doesn't play special teams, Washington does so that could explain the usage in week 1. No idea exactly how it plays out now that Ameer is gone.
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ZZ does play special teams, or at least he did last week when he was active (saw 9 snaps). Washington saw 9 snaps as well.

What we do know is that although ZZ was active, he didn't get a carry in the RZ last week. Washington (1) and Riddick (1) did.

We also know that up until this point, Washington has the most RZ carries on the team (3). AA and Riddick each have 2.

DET has clearly made an effort to get Washington GL carries as evidenced as early as week 1. I think we have an idea of how it plays out now.

Also, per Rotoworld..

Start of the Week: Dwayne Washington at Bears: Washington was the waiver-wire darling of Week 3. Unfortunately, he was faced with a brutal matchup against the Packers’ No. 1 run defense in a game the Lions had to play catch-up for 3.5 quarters. This is a prime post-hype sleeper spot for Washington. After being massive underdogs last Sunday, the Lions are now three-point road favorites. Game flow projects to be in the Lions’ favor, and they’ll also be way up in pace. Detroit is 23rd in offensive pace, and the Bears are sixth. That’s the fourth-largest pace gap of Week 4. Opposing offenses are running on average 68.3 plays per game versus the Bears. No team has faced more rushing attempts than Chicago (92). Equally-bad against both the run and the pass, the Bears are 27th in team-defense DVOA, 26th against the pass, and 26th against the run. They’re missing a ton of defensive starters, including NT Eddie Goldman (ankle), ILB Danny Trevathan (thumb), OLB Pernell McPhee (knee, PUP), and OLB Lamarr Houston (torn ACL, I.R.). Goldman was PFF’s No. 9 run-stopping defensive tackle out of 70 qualifiers before going down. The Lions tried to use Theo Riddick as a between-the-tackles runner in their first game without Ameer Abdullah (foot, I.R.), but Riddick managed just nine yards on 10 carries at Green Bay. Washington turned his 10 carries into 38 yards. Beat writers are expecting Washington to get more work in this one. A floor of 15 carries with 20-plus upside seems reasonable. Only the Saints, Redskins, and Bills have surrendered more rushing touchdowns than the Bears to running backs through Week 3.
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C-Bound said:
No, no, no, thats his floor this week.  Ceiling somewhere around Curtis Martin's career stats.
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C-Bound said:
Ummm what?  The only "antagonizing" posts I have made are replies to the Scientist guy's hyperbole.  And even that's all in fun.  Why are you taking the possibility that Washington might not work out, personally.   I actually have Washington on one of teams.  If he does well, great.
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See above. That was your response to my prediction of a reasonable floor/ceiling for him this week. Unless you think I'm scientist guy...

 
SameSongNDance said:
ZZ does play special teams, or at least he did last week when he was active (saw 9 snaps). Washington saw 9 snaps as well.

What we do know is that although ZZ was active, he didn't get a carry in the RZ last week. Washington (1) and Riddick (1) did.

We also know that up until this point, Washington has the most RZ carries on the team (3). AA and Riddick each have 2.

DET has clearly made an effort to get Washington GL carries as evidenced as early as week 1. I think we have an idea of how it plays out now.

Also, per Rotoworld..
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And we know that zenner had 0 offensive snaps.  Washington has 25.  Hard to be that concerned about zenner as a real threat at this point.

 
Based on the optimistic projections in this thread I am starting D. Washington over D. Johnson. Before anyone thinks I'm joking or bat#### crazy that's Duke Johnson, not David. Rumble big man, rumble.

 
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