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The thoughts in your post are wrong. Trump was the wrong choice for people who have fallen behind economically and the low to moderate earners voted more for Hillary than Trump.

Whatever the reason he won, economic improvement for families falling behind isn't it. His policies were weaker than Hillary's there and that's not where his votes came from.

This is why you have to look at the other reasons people voted for him - immigration, racism, the "screw you" factor, sure, but people need to stop saying he won based on economic reasons for struggling Americans. It's not who his policies benefit and it's not who voted for him.
It's like you never watched a rally of his.

No secret I was a Bernie supporter and that I shifted to Clinton for the general, but I did my homework. He was saying all the right things to the people of the Rust Belt, and Hillary said none of it. And look who voted for the President-Elect. Whether you believe so or not, millions of folks voted him based on their home economic situation.

 
Most of the people who voted for Donald Trump are not racist. I'm not even sure Trump himself is racist. I kind of doubt it, but I think he was willing to use racist memes to help get elected, which I find just as reprehensible as being a racist. And I think a lot of Trump supporters were willing to overlook his racist memes, which I find sad and depressing.

 
No I get it, as a screw you vote, it makes all kinds of sense but when people try to say there was some great economic reason behind it, that's BS and if people believe it, it's a problem.
I agree - I still think people just blindly voting party lines is a big part of this problem.  The difference is, on the Democratic side is seems unfathomable that someone who may be/appears to be a misogynist and/or racist could be nominated.  However, in a hypothetical world where you find someone with equally bad traits was nominated it would not shock me in the least if they were elected President.  Republicans will claim that's what we had with Hillary - I don't agree but let's assume for a minute that we found out that Hillary did something even more shady that there was concrete proof of and Democrats started distancing themselves from her.  I absolutely, 100% believe that folks like Squish and Gunz would have still voted for her because she's on "their" side.

It's why I was jaded before this election - Bernie helped change my mindset - but after watching what's happened I think I'm back to being jaded.  Both parties suck - it's just they take turns sucking worse than the other one.

 
cstu erasing posts, making posts in shark pool but not showing his face in here....that's pretty low mister. 

 
timschochet said:
Most of the people who voted for Donald Trump are not racist. I'm not even sure Trump himself is racist. I kind of doubt it, but I think he was willing to use racist memes to help get elected, which I find just as reprehensible as being a racist. And I think a lot of Trump supporters were willing to overlook his racist memes, which I find sad and depressing.
Well said and to reiterate my last post - I think if you could find something equally as sad and depressing that Hillary hypothetically did she still would have gotten 50% of the vote. 

 
hagmania said:
It's like you never watched a rally of his.

No secret I was a Bernie supporter and that I shifted to Clinton for the general, but I did my homework. He was saying all the right things to the people of the Rust Belt, and Hillary said none of it. And look who voted for the President-Elect. Whether you believe so or not, millions of folks voted him based on their home economic situation.
1. The polls don't bear this out.

2. For those people for who this is true, it was an unwise choice based on the candidates respective policies for low to moderate income earners (which isn't to say people didn't vote based on it anyway out of lack of knowledge, the Trump hype machine or simply as an agent of any change, even if it doesn't benefit them).

 
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I'm sure there are some awesome posts where this hypocrite acts like he has so much integrity and ethics (Jameis Winston/LSU player threads are great examples) - can we go find some of these posts and dump them in here? 

 
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I thought FC42 said something about his Ravens pick in survivor pool. 
It's from elsewhere, in a league outside of here I have found @cstu participating in. He made a Ravens pick last night.

I'm emailing the commish of that league tonight.

 
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If anybody wants some proof that most Trump supporters aren't racist, they need look no further than the state of Louisiana. In that state, Trump received the vast majority of votes. Yet David Duke, a well known Trump supporter and former KKK guy, running for senator, received only 3% of the vote. Which shows you that while conservatives might be willing to vote for a guy that uses racist memes for various reasons, they're not going to vote for a blatant racist.

 
If anybody wants some proof that most Trump supporters aren't racist, they need look no further than the state of Louisiana. In that state, Trump received the vast majority of votes. Yet David Duke, a well known Trump supporter and former KKK guy, running for senator, received only 3% of the vote. Which shows you that while conservatives might be willing to vote for a guy that uses racist memes for various reasons, they're not going to vote for a blatant racist.
Still think he is going to pay up?

 
1. The polls don't bear this out.

2. For those people for who this is true, it was an unwise choice based on the candidates respective policies for low to moderate income earners (which isn't to say people didn't vote based on it anyway out of lack of knowledge, the Trump hype machine or simply as an agent of any change, even if it doesn't benefit them).
You're somewhat assuming that people actually understand fiscal policy.  I think a lot of people here do.  The economy is a ####### complex thing that even qualified people can't agree on.  Why would we expect these voters to understand it.  If the guy tells him he'll make it better and cares about their plight they almost have no choice but to believe him, especially when they don't see the other side even addressing them.

 
No. Not if he's really posting in the Shark Pool and deleting posts here. I guess not. Makes me sad as I liked the guy. But if he doesn't pay what he owes he's a loser and a jerk.
He isn't in the Shark Pool and I don't know of any validity to him erasing posts here, he is prob a ghost here, maybe he'll try to slip an alias in one day, but this legacy will live on and he'll be outed. 

What I can say on his activity is that I'm >2/3 sure he picked the Ravens in a survivor league last night.

 
You're somewhat assuming that people actually understand fiscal policy.  I think a lot of people here do.  The economy is a ####### complex thing that even qualified people can't agree on.  Why would we expect these voters to understand it.  If the guy tells him he'll make it better and cares about their plight they almost have no choice but to believe him, especially when they don't see the other side even addressing them.
I agree with all of your post except for the bolded. People should have some understanding on how their decision is going to affect them. If they're not going to take the time to take a cursory glance at both candidates economic policies before voting for a candidate based on economic policy, they deserve to be called a moron. (Again, not calling all Trump supporters morons, just saying low-middle income people who voted for him for economic reasons are. Lots of other reasons to vote for him, lots of educated Trump voters, all those caveats apply).

 
avoiding injuries said:
So, the general will generalize one entire group, but not another. 


jon_mx said:
When people in BLM say the white people at their rallies are only good for is being a human shield, does that rise to the level of racism?  Racism is the hatred of other races.  Being in a minority does not mean it is impossible to be a racist.  
Both fair points. BLM people that you are describing I don't think were super fired up to vote Hillary.

The white power, kick out the Mexicans crowd was definitely fired up for donald.

These people are fortunately dying off and I definitely am not saying the majority of Trumpettes are in that camp. In an election that was this close however it played a role in getting donald elected.

 
He isn't in the Shark Pool and I don't know of any validity to him erasing posts here, he is prob a ghost here, maybe he'll try to slip an alias in one day, but this legacy will live on and he'll be outed. 

What I can say on his activity is that I'm >2/3 sure he picked the Ravens in a survivor league last night.
at what point do we email the owner of the pool (whose email is public info, right there on the group page)?  boy if i'm cstu, and that's my IRL friend, I'd sure hate to have him know i'm a POS scumbag bleeding heart liberal bet welcher.

ok, the liberal thing doesn't have anything to do with that...

 
Frostillicus said:
Interesting that this guy ran around in she shark pool judging Jameis, the LSU guy whose girlfriend got killed, and anybody else with any kind of questionable behavior's character.
We really did go to war over Jameis. This is hilarious. 

 
Frostillicus said:
Interesting that this guy ran around in she shark pool judging Jameis, the LSU guy whose girlfriend got killed, and anybody else with any kind of questionable behavior's character.
Guy is a judgmental #####

 
at what point do we email the owner of the pool (whose email is public info, right there on the group page)?  boy if i'm cstu, and that's my IRL friend, I'd sure hate to have him know i'm a POS scumbag bleeding heart liberal bet welcher.

ok, the liberal thing doesn't have anything to do with that...
I was thinking over the weekend when he is logging in to check on the league.

Pretty easy to verify to the commish we've got the right scumbag with what we know about the guy, he won't be able to say "no that is another CSTU."

I hope he knows everyone IRL in that league too.

Only 27 participants so it would appear to be a group that should know each other 

 
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I agree with all of your post except for the bolded. People should have some understanding on how their decision is going to affect them. If they're not going to take the time to take a cursory glance at both candidates economic policies before voting for a candidate based on economic policy, they deserve to be called a moron. (Again, not calling all Trump supporters morons, just saying low-middle income people who voted for him for economic reasons are. Lots of other reasons to vote for him, lots of educated Trump voters, all those caveats apply).
That's fair but I think you vastly overestimate how much people pay attention.  I'd feel safe saying that a majority of the people voting had never heard of Stein or Johnson.  They know virtually nothing but the "R" and the "D".  People won't admit it but I guarantee there's people on both sides of the aisle that went in to their voting booth and had never even heard that Trump had said some of the things he did.  Think about how many people watch the debates and then consider how many people voted - what was it, like 140M people?  People are just uninformed and grew up a Republican or Democrat and that's how they vote.  We've turned politics in to a Saturday afternoon college football game and people will sell their first-born before they "root" for the other side.

 
I don't think he's done either of those things - he hasn't logged in since Wednesday.
Well unless he's dead or dying he ought to have shown up by now. If he doesn't have the money that he needs to swallow his pride and tell everyone that he doesn't have it and that he was foolish to make the wagers. Something would have been worked out; most people are forgiving. But to just disappear like this is pretty cowardly, IMO.

 
His last visited time might not be updating if he goes private when he logs in. At least that is how I think it works.

<------- last visited Feb 14th.

 
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I agree with all of your post except for the bolded. People should have some understanding on how their decision is going to affect them. If they're not going to take the time to take a cursory glance at both candidates economic policies before voting for a candidate based on economic policy, they deserve to be called a moron. (Again, not calling all Trump supporters morons, just saying low-middle income people who voted for him for economic reasons are. Lots of other reasons to vote for him, lots of educated Trump voters, all those caveats apply).
Chances are there was something in the tax plan that appealed to them.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/tax-plan

 
If someone posts the phone number it might be cheaper for him to pay up than deal with the headaches.

And if you don't have the cash, be a man decent human being and admit it.  

 

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