Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
****OFFICIAL**** Green Bay Packers Draft Thread (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter packersfan
- Start date
Crimedogg32
Footballguy
so what is he going to play CB or WR? If they got him for WR I dont like the pick considering the needs on the D and O lines
el centro
Footballguy
Still thinking GB needs DT help... reading up on some of the boys left on the board - in order, these sound like good TT boys:
Kyle Williams, LSU - little small though
Jesse Mahelona, TEN - also a little short
Barry Colfield, Northwestern - good size, limited production in school
Kyle Williams, LSU - little small though
Jesse Mahelona, TEN - also a little short
Barry Colfield, Northwestern - good size, limited production in school
Billy1x
Footballguy
Kleck.
Footballguy
I love the trades. Besides missing out on Chad Jackson, I really don't think they sacrificed much and really got some tremendous value in return. 
to Teddy!It's not a house hold name draft, but all these picks are solid and really fill some needs and should fit well in their system.
Last edited by a moderator:
Big Score
Footballguy
So far, Thompson's Walker trade has netted the Pack;
Daryn Colledge - OT.....
...and...
12th pick in the 4th #109 (another trade) 18th pick in the 4th #115 Will Blackmon - WR
15th pick in the 5th #148 (swapped 5th's with Atlanta and moved DOWN 9 spots in this round)
14th pick in the 6th #183
16th pick in the 6th #185 (came from trade of pick #109 in 4th)
Daryn Colledge - OT.....
...and...
12th pick in the 4th #109 (another trade) 18th pick in the 4th #115 Will Blackmon - WR
15th pick in the 5th #148 (swapped 5th's with Atlanta and moved DOWN 9 spots in this round)
14th pick in the 6th #183
16th pick in the 6th #185 (came from trade of pick #109 in 4th)
Last edited by a moderator:
packersfan
Footballguy
It'll be interesting to see how the Walker trade is analyzed. One thing I'd stress to keep in mind is the Packers received more for trading Walker than the Vikings did for trading Culpepper. Just a little food for thought.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
John Clayton has the Packers as one of the 5 biggest losers in the draft.
Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/colu...john&id=2427335
"4. Green Bay Packers: They didn't get great value for Javon Walker, only getting a second-round choice instead of two seconds, which they were demanding Friday. While A.J. Hawk was a great choice to help the defense, the Packers didn't do much to help Brett Favre. They didn't get tight end Vernon Davis, but that's OK. Hawk rated higher on most draft boards than Davis. The Packers had a decent second-round for the future in getting tackle Daryn Colledge and wide receiver Greg Jennings, who might take some time to make impact. But this is Favre's last year, and he is committed to making the best out of the season. As it has been the entire offseason, the Packers haven't seized the moment."
Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/colu...john&id=2427335
"4. Green Bay Packers: They didn't get great value for Javon Walker, only getting a second-round choice instead of two seconds, which they were demanding Friday. While A.J. Hawk was a great choice to help the defense, the Packers didn't do much to help Brett Favre. They didn't get tight end Vernon Davis, but that's OK. Hawk rated higher on most draft boards than Davis. The Packers had a decent second-round for the future in getting tackle Daryn Colledge and wide receiver Greg Jennings, who might take some time to make impact. But this is Favre's last year, and he is committed to making the best out of the season. As it has been the entire offseason, the Packers haven't seized the moment."
Billy1x
Footballguy
A Quaterback?? Ingle Martin
Martin is a very interesting prospect because, other than the ideal height, he has all the physical tools to be a good starting quarterback in the NFL. He started his college career at Florida and transferred to Furman, where he became their starting quarterback (and starting punter) and carried their offense on his back. He is going to have to adjust to the huge jump in talent from Furman to the NFL, but will also need to get used to playing in more common NFL offenses where he will have to line up under center which he did not do at Furman very often. He has the quick feet to set-up and get rid of the ball quickly and, when he strides into his throws, he shows the ability to make deep throws with very good zip and accuracy. He is going to need time to make the adjustment to the NFL, but he is the perfect small-school prospect and will eventually develop into a good NFL starter. He will need at least a season or two as a backup, and may be best suited to going to NFL Europe for a season to get re-acquainted with playing in games when he has to lineup under center.
Probably go to Europe next year (which I believe Rogers refused to do). Could win the starting job next year if Brett retires. Rogers better get his butt in gear. His competition has just arrived.
Martin is a very interesting prospect because, other than the ideal height, he has all the physical tools to be a good starting quarterback in the NFL. He started his college career at Florida and transferred to Furman, where he became their starting quarterback (and starting punter) and carried their offense on his back. He is going to have to adjust to the huge jump in talent from Furman to the NFL, but will also need to get used to playing in more common NFL offenses where he will have to line up under center which he did not do at Furman very often. He has the quick feet to set-up and get rid of the ball quickly and, when he strides into his throws, he shows the ability to make deep throws with very good zip and accuracy. He is going to need time to make the adjustment to the NFL, but he is the perfect small-school prospect and will eventually develop into a good NFL starter. He will need at least a season or two as a backup, and may be best suited to going to NFL Europe for a season to get re-acquainted with playing in games when he has to lineup under center.
Probably go to Europe next year (which I believe Rogers refused to do). Could win the starting job next year if Brett retires. Rogers better get his butt in gear. His competition has just arrived.
Last edited by a moderator:
Big Score
Footballguy
So far, Thompson's Walker trade has netted the Pack;
Daryn Colledge - OT
Will Blackmon - WR
Ingle Martin - QB
14th pick in the 6th #183
16th pick in the 6th #185 (came from trade of pick #109 in 4th)
Daryn Colledge - OT
Will Blackmon - WR
Ingle Martin - QB
14th pick in the 6th #183
16th pick in the 6th #185 (came from trade of pick #109 in 4th)
Last edited by a moderator:
Ingle Martin: QB, Furman
Former Florida starter transferred to Furman. Has the skills to earn him a starting NFL grade in time. Excellent developmental QB with nice upside. Could eventually develop into an NFL starter.
Pros: An accurate thrower with the touch to deliver all the passes, and showed improvement in the deep game during his final season. He has above-average arm strength to make most throws and is especially effective on the short and intermediate routes, leading the receivers to make plays after the catch. He delivers the ball with good velocity, timing and touch with the ability to hang in the pocket and make the tough throw. He is a competitive, hard-working and tough player who shows the ability to direct an offense.
Cons: He has outstanding upside as a passer, but has a learning curve that will take time. A versatile athlete who is still raw as a passer and needs work on his mechanics, footwork, decision-making and defense recognition. Tough prospect with the athleticism to back up two positions and possibly start as a punter.
Numbers: At the Combine, he ran a fine 4.65 with a 36-inch vertical jump and 9-foot, 3-inch broad jump. As a senior, he completed 212 of 349 pass attempts for 61 percent, a school-record 2,959 yards and 20 TDs, while leading Furman to an 11-3 record and Division I-AA playoffs semifinal appearance. He accounted for another school record 3,191 yards in total offense.
********************************************************************
Dear TT,
Why another QB? There's other needs like DL and WR.
Signed,
Curious, die-hard fan
Former Florida starter transferred to Furman. Has the skills to earn him a starting NFL grade in time. Excellent developmental QB with nice upside. Could eventually develop into an NFL starter.
Pros: An accurate thrower with the touch to deliver all the passes, and showed improvement in the deep game during his final season. He has above-average arm strength to make most throws and is especially effective on the short and intermediate routes, leading the receivers to make plays after the catch. He delivers the ball with good velocity, timing and touch with the ability to hang in the pocket and make the tough throw. He is a competitive, hard-working and tough player who shows the ability to direct an offense.
Cons: He has outstanding upside as a passer, but has a learning curve that will take time. A versatile athlete who is still raw as a passer and needs work on his mechanics, footwork, decision-making and defense recognition. Tough prospect with the athleticism to back up two positions and possibly start as a punter.
Numbers: At the Combine, he ran a fine 4.65 with a 36-inch vertical jump and 9-foot, 3-inch broad jump. As a senior, he completed 212 of 349 pass attempts for 61 percent, a school-record 2,959 yards and 20 TDs, while leading Furman to an 11-3 record and Division I-AA playoffs semifinal appearance. He accounted for another school record 3,191 yards in total offense.
********************************************************************
Dear TT,
Why another QB? There's other needs like DL and WR.
Signed,
Curious, die-hard fan
packersfan
Footballguy
Because they only have 2 on the roster and the starter is likely playing his final season in the NFL? This could be another spot where we find out how much Thompson learned from Wolf. Wolf was an absolute master at unearthing quality QB talent in the later rounds -- Brunell, Brooks and Hasselbeck all come to mind. The Packers definitely needed to find a third QB in the draft today.
Crimedogg32
Footballguy
Cmon teddy we need some D-Line or O-Line help
packersfan
Footballguy
Maybe but only marginally. Ingle is clearly a prospect and as I posted above the Packers needed to find a third QB. Finding a project with huge upside is a smart move by Thompson IMO. It's a very Wolf-esque move.
Billy1x
Footballguy
Rogers seems to be a bust so far probably because he doesn't feel he has to work for the job. Maybe lighting a fire under him will wake him up or then maybe Ingle will turn out to be another Tom Brady. Only knock on him is height (6' 2") and experience (small school - Furman).
Billy1x
Footballguy
Ingle Martin
POSITIONAL FACTORS
Grade Category Comments/Description
6.0 Technique
He has very good technique at times, but when he loses focus, his footwork gets sloppy and it hinders his passing.
6.5 Arm Strength
He has the strong arm to make all the throws, but when he does not stride into throws, he struggles
7.0 Convert Pct.
He consistently stepped up and made the important play when it mattered most.
6.5 2nd Lives
His quick feet and athletic ability help him to avoid sacks, buy a second chance and make plays on the move.
6.5 Accuracy Short in Pocket
He consistently makes the short throw accurately -- he gets rid of the ball quickly and hits his spots.
6.0 Accuracy Long in Pocket
He can be excellent when he strides into his throws, but loses accuracy when he does not stride into them.
7.0 Accuracy on the Move
He is very accurate throwing on the move when he puts zip on his passes.
6.5 Big Plays
He consistently steps up and makes big plays -- he can make the deep touch throw with very good accuracy.
6.0 Under Pressure
He usually does a very good job vs. the blitz, but when he rushes throws and does not stride into them, he loses accuracy.
6.0 Leadership/Poise
On the sideline during games, he showed a willingness to speak up and take charge of the offense.
6.5 Read Defenses
He reads the defense well to make his pre-snap calls and can consistently find the spots the blitzer vacated.
6.5 Big Errors
He does not force passes when in the pocket, but he can't risk making the same throws back across the field that he did at Furman.
POSITIONAL FACTORS
Grade Category Comments/Description
6.0 Technique
He has very good technique at times, but when he loses focus, his footwork gets sloppy and it hinders his passing.
6.5 Arm Strength
He has the strong arm to make all the throws, but when he does not stride into throws, he struggles
7.0 Convert Pct.
He consistently stepped up and made the important play when it mattered most.
6.5 2nd Lives
His quick feet and athletic ability help him to avoid sacks, buy a second chance and make plays on the move.
6.5 Accuracy Short in Pocket
He consistently makes the short throw accurately -- he gets rid of the ball quickly and hits his spots.
6.0 Accuracy Long in Pocket
He can be excellent when he strides into his throws, but loses accuracy when he does not stride into them.
7.0 Accuracy on the Move
He is very accurate throwing on the move when he puts zip on his passes.
6.5 Big Plays
He consistently steps up and makes big plays -- he can make the deep touch throw with very good accuracy.
6.0 Under Pressure
He usually does a very good job vs. the blitz, but when he rushes throws and does not stride into them, he loses accuracy.
6.0 Leadership/Poise
On the sideline during games, he showed a willingness to speak up and take charge of the offense.
6.5 Read Defenses
He reads the defense well to make his pre-snap calls and can consistently find the spots the blitzer vacated.
6.5 Big Errors
He does not force passes when in the pocket, but he can't risk making the same throws back across the field that he did at Furman.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
I don't think he'd change anything considering it was posted this morning. Here is what he's saying in my opinion: The Packers needed to make some immediate impacts if they wanted to try to make a big difference in this coming season. They didn't do that. They built for 2 or 3 years down the road. Packer fans are looking at that as a positive. Clayton is looking at that as a negative. Just two differnet points of view.
The ESPN guys just talked about the Packers' draft. Hoge and Jaworski both said they did 'nothing' to help Brett Favre this coming year. They both said they didn't like their chances for this coming year and thought they didn't do too well for the draft. Schlereth was a little nicer...he said he thought the draft was solid for the next 2 or 3 years, but that it wouldn't really help them this coming year. They then had William Henderson come on. He defended Brett Favre (after Jaws and Hoge ripped him for his mistakes last year) and then he ripped the 'critics' and how Kiper Jr. called Henderson the worst pick of the 1995 draft. I was pretty surprised by Jaws. He was pretty harsh on Favre and after Henderson defended him...Jaws went right back after him again. I felt kind of bad for Henderson...he really got put on the spot by 3 of the members of the crew. He looked very uncomfortable.
Mort then came on and said he thought Favre would be better this year because he'll take part in the off-season stuff (that Mort pointed out he took off the last couple years).
Interesting stuff.
Kleck.
Footballguy
I understand what Clayton is saying, but that should be a knock on their FA moves and not their draft. You don't often get immediate help from rookies. Even if Green Bay drafted Vernon Davis and Chad Jackson, that's quite a bit to ask for from rookies learning a WCO to step right in and contribute. Anyone who thinks Green Bay could have drafted to help Favre now and make this team a strong playoff contender in 2006 is fooling themselves. It's about adding talent and filling holes to hopfully pay off in a couple years and get this team back on track. I think Thompson has done well there.
packersfan
Footballguy
One of the best ways to help Favre is to improve the Packers' defense. Adding Hawk and Hodge will definitely do that. A better offensive line will also help Favre. Adding Colledge and possibly Spitz will do that as well.
Did the Packers add dynamic talent at the skill positions? Not necessarily although Jenkins looks like a very nice fit for the WCO and shouldn't be dismissed IMO. But the Packers had major needs at nearly every facet and IMO Thompson has done a very good job of addressing some critical needs on defense and on the offensive line -- both of which could go a long way toward helping Favre and the Packers overall this season.
While it's admirable for Henderson to stick up for Favre, there's no question Favre needs to play better. However, Henderson made an excellent point that a number of Favre's INTs came off plays where the receivers clearly mucked up and/or didn't make a real effort to catch the ball. Like Henderson said, if you want to be a player in this league you need to make plays when the QB gives you an opportunity to do so.
And yes Robert Ferguson I'm talking to you.
Did the Packers add dynamic talent at the skill positions? Not necessarily although Jenkins looks like a very nice fit for the WCO and shouldn't be dismissed IMO. But the Packers had major needs at nearly every facet and IMO Thompson has done a very good job of addressing some critical needs on defense and on the offensive line -- both of which could go a long way toward helping Favre and the Packers overall this season.
While it's admirable for Henderson to stick up for Favre, there's no question Favre needs to play better. However, Henderson made an excellent point that a number of Favre's INTs came off plays where the receivers clearly mucked up and/or didn't make a real effort to catch the ball. Like Henderson said, if you want to be a player in this league you need to make plays when the QB gives you an opportunity to do so.
And yes Robert Ferguson I'm talking to you.
Last edited by a moderator:
ESPN USED to be about breaking news. Now it seems it's all conjecture and hear-say. Granted, that's what the draft is about but they are wrong MOST of the time about prospects. I just look at the discussion described above as time filler. They're late in the draft and looking to talk about something else. We'll see how this draft plays out. I'm one who thinks that there's some immediate help this year with the draft.
Last edited by a moderator:
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
So you guys saw that segment too. I thought Henderson handled himself pretty well based on the questions thrown his way. Did you see the same things in the comments I did? Seemed like all the guys thought, "well...the Packers are building for 3 years from now and not today. I don't think that's what they should be doing..." Not saying I personally agree or disagree...just pointing out what I think the "experts" are pointing to for the negatives of this particular draft.Mel is always wrong. Thats a good sign that this is a good draft.william henderson is bashing mel kiper about criticizing himself and other players the packers has drafted
Billy1x
Footballguy
Barring injuries tha Packers could have actually won the division last year. The free agents and draft picks have greatly improved the defense thru better tackling. For sure they will give up less big plays. Improving the offense thru the draft is very difficult due to the learning curve except for the offensive line. Losing Walker was the biggest hit and not have another good TE (Mercedes would have been great). But the line is now protected from injury and now if depends on how fast they can pick up the Denver run blocking scheme.
Of course the Bears, Lions, & Vikings have improved. Shame the Vikings got rid of Tice and Detroit got Martz.
Can they win the division. Yes, but it will be a tough road but I think the schedule is pretty good.
Donte Stalworth & Lelie are both being shopped around and will be free agents next year so there still is a possibility to get a vetern receiver to replace Walker.
Big Score
Footballguy
I see.They're basing their critique on the short term perspective and wanting to see Green Bay pick some sexy immediate impact offensive players for Favre.
In that light, yes the Packer's draft is not good.
One slight problem with that view. That's not how Thompson orchestrated his draft. He's signed immediate impact defensive players (less glamorous than offensive players and no obvious help to Favre) and offensive players for the long haul.
If you look at the Packers draft from the proper angle, it's pretty darn good IMO.
Last edited by a moderator:
Similar threads
