Mario Kart
Footballguy
By the time this scene rolls around Peter is outside watching the clock tick away. Sylar is standing at the display case looking at the cheerleader. I dont know how clear I can be about this. HULK... you are wrong.
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GreekFreak
Footballguy
The watch was broken and showed the time at seven minutes till midnight
(HULK)
(Smash)
I'll have to rewatch again then to see that. I've been wrong before.But, the image show is just a hand, and that doesn't prove anything to me standing by itself.
snogger
Footballguy
Sorry to jump on Hulk but..I just watched the episode at nbc.com
Peter is standing at the case at the end of part 4.. Peter walks outside and it is 8:01pm on the clock.
Part 5 starts with "someone" standing at the case clenching fist.. Pans up to see Sylar.
Check out Part 5.
Spoiler picture: Sylar
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
A whole lot of names listed here. Lots of different nationalities represented which I guess can allow the writers to go in a whole lot of directions. What concerns me though is that we have a single Hero from outside the U.S. Seriously, how country-centric is this show? Can't they throw in someone from Brazil or Toronto and make it a little more international and still keep it in the same hemisphere?
snogger
Footballguy
On the second image you can't see where the "Hero's" on the right side are from.Also, they don't scroll all the way down when they start to show the screen so many names could still show up below.
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
True, but the show is centered around a bunch of Americans and Hiro yet the premise of the show is clearly about major changes to the entire human race. Just by sheer volume and and probability, shouldn't about every 5th Hero be Chinese?
NCCommish
Footballguy
Not neccesarily. If there is a genetic component, and it seems there is, it may be more prevalent in certain racial groups than others.
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
TheFanatic
Footballguy
There were't any spoilers that I could see in that clip....
Fiddles
Footballguy
was disappointed in all the buildup to this episode
thought it was mostly anticlimactic
most of that is on nbc though as far as hype goes
i think the show lags without hiro or maybe it was just the amateurish scene where sylar and peter fall off the building
thought it was mostly anticlimactic
most of that is on nbc though as far as hype goes
i think the show lags without hiro or maybe it was just the amateurish scene where sylar and peter fall off the building
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djcolts
Footballguy
NBC will never top in terms of false hype an episode of Frasier where they said that Niles and Daphne would go out on a real date when they didn't at all in that episode. After that, I have ignored their hype on promos ever since.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
rick6668
Footballguy
mytagid = Math.floor( Math.random() * 100 );document.write("Greg Beeman's Blog gives some insight into this episode.
The paintings which Tim Sale creates for the show happen in two ways – sometimes we film the event first and give Tim the frame we want to match to. Remember when Hiro and Ando stood under the rocket ship in Tokyo and looked at the exact same frame in the comic book. Well, we’d filmed the Hiro/Ando shot first and did the comic panel as an insert later. That way is way easier for all concerned.
But… the paintings in Isaac’s loft were a different story. Tim Kring and the writer’s gave Tim the idea of what they wanted and Tim painted the paintings in a vacuum, before we ever had sets or clear ideas of how we’d end up shooting the scenes.
Now it was time to re-create most of the paintings in the episode. I took this task to heart, knowing that if we could recreate the paintings as closely as possible HEROES would look like a cool-### show that had been carefully planned from the very beginning. The first was the painting of Claire running up the stadium stairs – this one had already been done in episode 4 and my job was just to make sure we got back to the same angle and re-created the shot as closely as possible. The second was Sylar standing over Claire’s (actually Jackie’s) dead body. This one was really hard, because Tim had painted the image in an unnatural perspective with a HUGE Sylar standing over a tiny dead cheerleader. I tried my best. Put Sylar in the right position. Put the cheerleader in the right position. But couldn’t match the shadow or the scale. Finally had to match Peter having lockers thrown at him by Sylar’s force. At the time the writer’s conceived of this one and Tim Sale painted it – no one had any idea how it would play out – just that it was a cool painting. I had to vamp the space this happened it, but in the end it’s a pretty good match. The last painting, of Hiro and Ando standing under the bloody Homecoming banner was another challenge. When Mr. Sale painted it, no one had any idea that he was even going to make the banner bloody, much less how we’d accomplish it. This painting actually plays out in episode 11 – but we had to come up with a way to set it up in #9, which we did in the scene where Jackie gets murdered.
hxxp://gregbeeman.blogspot.com
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Gamblor
Footballguy
Cool. Dont think you need to "spoiler that". Only scene that we havent seen yet is one we all assume will happen due to the paintings.its amazing to think they made the paintings first, then created the sets and shoots to match. So much more work that way.
Greg Beeman's Blog gives some insight into this episode.
The paintings which Tim Sale creates for the show happen in two ways – sometimes we film the event first and give Tim the frame we want to match to. Remember when Hiro and Ando stood under the rocket ship in Tokyo and looked at the exact same frame in the comic book. Well, we'd filmed the Hiro/Ando shot first and did the comic panel as an insert later. That way is way easier for all concerned.
But… the paintings in Isaac's loft were a different story. Tim Kring and the writer's gave Tim the idea of what they wanted and Tim painted the paintings in a vacuum, before we ever had sets or clear ideas of how we'd end up shooting the scenes.
Now it was time to re-create most of the paintings in the episode. I took this task to heart, knowing that if we could recreate the paintings as closely as possible HEROES would look like a cool-### show that had been carefully planned from the very beginning. The first was the painting of Claire running up the stadium stairs – this one had already been done in episode 4 and my job was just to make sure we got back to the same angle and re-created the shot as closely as possible. The second was Sylar standing over Claire's (actually Jackie's) dead body. This one was really hard, because Tim had painted the image in an unnatural perspective with a HUGE Sylar standing over a tiny dead cheerleader. I tried my best. Put Sylar in the right position. Put the cheerleader in the right position. But couldn't match the shadow or the scale. Finally had to match Peter having lockers thrown at him by Sylar's force. At the time the writer's conceived of this one and Tim Sale painted it – no one had any idea how it would play out – just that it was a cool painting. I had to vamp the space this happened it, but in the end it's a pretty good match. The last painting, of Hiro and Ando standing under the bloody Homecoming banner was another challenge. When Mr. Sale painted it, no one had any idea that he was even going to make the banner bloody, much less how we'd accomplish it. This painting actually plays out in episode 11 – but we had to come up with a way to set it up in #9, which we did in the scene where Jackie gets murdered.
hxxp://gregbeeman.blogspot.com
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Drifter
Footballguy
You guys are screwing up a basic literary premise of time travel and one that it seems they are using in this show.In a nutshell all time happen concurrently. This means that when Hiro first meets the waitress they have never met but as soon as he goes back and changes time then everybody remembers him. Until he left to change the timeline no one had met him and the waitress wouldn't have recognized him.This is also why he didn't pop back into the "current" time immediately after leaving. For him, the time he spends in the past = the current time. If he spends 2 weeks in the past, he won't return to his current time for 2 weeks.
rick6668
Footballguy
Agreed. I wasn't sure, so I went the safe route.Cool. Dont think you need to "spoiler that". Only scene that we havent seen yet is one we all assume will happen due to the paintings.its amazing to think they made the paintings first, then created the sets and shoots to match. So much more work that way.
Greg Beeman's Blog gives some insight into this episode.
The paintings which Tim Sale creates for the show happen in two ways – sometimes we film the event first and give Tim the frame we want to match to. Remember when Hiro and Ando stood under the rocket ship in Tokyo and looked at the exact same frame in the comic book. Well, we'd filmed the Hiro/Ando shot first and did the comic panel as an insert later. That way is way easier for all concerned.
But… the paintings in Isaac's loft were a different story. Tim Kring and the writer's gave Tim the idea of what they wanted and Tim painted the paintings in a vacuum, before we ever had sets or clear ideas of how we'd end up shooting the scenes.
Now it was time to re-create most of the paintings in the episode. I took this task to heart, knowing that if we could recreate the paintings as closely as possible HEROES would look like a cool-### show that had been carefully planned from the very beginning. The first was the painting of Claire running up the stadium stairs – this one had already been done in episode 4 and my job was just to make sure we got back to the same angle and re-created the shot as closely as possible. The second was Sylar standing over Claire's (actually Jackie's) dead body. This one was really hard, because Tim had painted the image in an unnatural perspective with a HUGE Sylar standing over a tiny dead cheerleader. I tried my best. Put Sylar in the right position. Put the cheerleader in the right position. But couldn't match the shadow or the scale. Finally had to match Peter having lockers thrown at him by Sylar's force. At the time the writer's conceived of this one and Tim Sale painted it – no one had any idea how it would play out – just that it was a cool painting. I had to vamp the space this happened it, but in the end it's a pretty good match. The last painting, of Hiro and Ando standing under the bloody Homecoming banner was another challenge. When Mr. Sale painted it, no one had any idea that he was even going to make the banner bloody, much less how we'd accomplish it. This painting actually plays out in episode 11 – but we had to come up with a way to set it up in #9, which we did in the scene where Jackie gets murdered.
hxxp://gregbeeman.blogspot.com
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the rover
Footballguy
In the first couple episodes, Mohinder refers to his father's search for "patient zero", which would suggest that there was a trigger of some sort that all of the other mutations could be traced back to. It may not have originated spontaneously all over the world, which would account for the concentration of heroes in the US.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Help me than with first time he did time travel. Do we know "how long in real time" he was gone? I ask this because Ando said he had been missing for 5 weeks but was he in New York for 5 weeks and searching for the artist? Of course we did not see 5 weeks worth of Hiro but if I am following your time travel theory correctly, how does this first time play out.
Drifter
Footballguy
Two things at play here: 1. We don't know how long Hiro was in the future. It's never really mentioned but it would seem it was less than 5 weeks.2. Distance - In this case not only did he travel through time but he travelled through space as well. Since you cannot have on without the other (time and space) it stands to reason that the fact that he changed where he was spacially impacted how long he was gone temporally.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Okay. Now with the changing of time and space... is that a constant rate that can be calculated to better pinpoint future locations in relation to the time or does it change?By future Hiro's comment about causing a rift I would assume that proper calculations can be made once the concept is mastered. And, lets say the show runs for 8 years real time... I think it would be very cool if that train scene with future Hiro was in fact the last scene of the whole series.
Drifter
Footballguy
I would say that, yes, distance as a factor can be relayed to the relative time of the time traveller and that Hiron will probably eventually master those types of calculations.The risk of rift could be caused by three potential factors:1. The relative impact that actions of the time traveller will have on events. Saving one person - relatively small chance of a rift. Saving millions - relatively large.2. The temporal distance (not spatial distance) that the time traveller travels (weeks vs years)3. The chance of creating a paradox by time travelling to a place where oneself already is relatively spacially close. This is why I hypothesized earlier that Hiro ended up much farther back in time than he meant to. Perhaps whatever resistance there is to time travel prevented him from going back to yesterday because yesterday's Hiro would ahve been too spacially close to the location.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
I understand this concept, but what would happen if he jumped back in time 2 weeks prior to "current time". In this case he would be able to meet Ando in the 5 seconds like he promised.
Drifter
Footballguy
Then he runs into the risk of a rift from being too close to himself spatially. Also, I would hypothesize that he is always somewhat bound to his original time. There might be a set limit that he can spend away from his normal time frame.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Good point.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
What was the time difference between the time he left Japan and when the police found him with the gun in his hand in NY.....he thought it was the same day. I can't remember how long it had been. And then when he went back to Japan some time had passed but again can't remember how much.
UOFI_316
Footballguy
Yeah, when the cop was interrogating him with Ando on the phone he told the cops it was October something, when it was really the middle of November. Did it just take him 5 weeks to "time travel" to New York?? But then he trasports back into the subway, and I thought it was the same time that he left. Although that can't be possible since if he stayed around for 5 weeks Ando would be getting a phone call from the past Hiro while current Hiro was there
Unless by traveling back 5 weeks to Tokyo he re-altered time and him calling Ando no longer happens.I am confused and going home now. Why can't it be simple, throw garage into the gas tank of the Delorian, hit 88 mph as a big hook hits a wire off the library clock tower, just as lightning hits and you go....Back to the Future.I was waiting for Eden to say "These are not the droids you are looking for" and Sylar to repeat it.
iamsmilin
I want one, but I'm not creative
I thought he transported himslef 5 weeks into the future but is only gone for 2-3 days in the present time.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
thats what I thought.....I just can't remember if only I could go back in time........
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Who or what makes you believe she is saved?
Gamblor
Footballguy
He hasnt saved Charlie that we know of. And even if he could save Charlie and didnt save the poker boys the explanation is simple - personal choice.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
He still could save the poker guys, he just hasn't yet.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Saving all of them could cause a major rift too. Plus if he confronts Nicki in the past maybe she doesn't get to do something important in the future she is supposed to. Maybe her kid stays in LV instead of travelling across the country with his dad and he doesn't do something he is supposed to either.
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ETA: For the show tonight, I think we get a lot of Mohinder's dad meeting with Sylar and how he became who he is. I don't think we will get the whole story behind it, but I still think Mohinder's love interest's company is somehow behind a lot of this. I think a couple of us posted that a couple episodes ago that it can't be coincidence that she wanted to keep Mohinder from his Dad's work to work with her company.I know that there is a genetic link because of all of the parent/sibling powers we have seen, but it seems like it had to have started somewhere unnatural. No way Mohinder's dad would have any idea about who these people were if there wasn't "something" that started it, i.e. all of their parents working at some military facility, etc.
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Wheelhouse
Footballguy
1. We find out how Mr. Bennett "acquired" Claire. Her father = Sylar??!? Claire is sisters with Eden.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Since Peter got arrested, and the whole deal is in conjunction with Sylar, and we know that this episode will deal mostly with 6 months in the past due to the promos... so, the last couple of minutes will be in current time, and I suspect that Matt Parkman and the blond will be interogating Peter. But since Peter is a power sponge, they'll start speaking mind to mind, and then it will cut to the Hero's screen.
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(Smash)
aardball44
Footballguy
At the funeral for the snuffed cheerleader, Claire will wear a mournful expression...but inside, she'll be
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(Smash)
NBC will get sued for broadcasting child pornography, and we'll all feel like dirty old men for watching it.
Dulymus Mudhounds
Footballguy
OK, so Sylar got his name from a watch? His first kill was a guy that could move a glass. Think Mohinder's dad wants nothing to do with him.
Politician flew out of danger but left his wife to get crippled.
Hiro couldnt' teleport back, had to take the bus.
Great episode, but want more on Sylar.
Mud out
Politician flew out of danger but left his wife to get crippled.
Hiro couldnt' teleport back, had to take the bus.
Great episode, but want more on Sylar.
Mud out
aardball44
Footballguy
Nice background info on Nicole/Jessica.
I don't think this was intentional.
Dulymus Mudhounds
Footballguy
Neither do I. I think they lead us to believe that was his first time flying.MO
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