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[(HULK)]

Global Preview for next weeks episode

This is a little different from what you saw last night.

 

[(HULK)]

Not factual, but well educated guess as to who dies next week.

 

[Foosball God]

Not factual, but well educated guess as to who dies next week.

I was thinking that that's the character that bites it as well.

 

[EYLive]

I wonder why in last night's episode, when Eden uses her power, we hear a deeper voice. This never happened in the earlier episodes.

I guess all it takes to nullify her power is to stick your fingers in your ears or tape her mouth shut.

 

[bryhamm]

I wonder why in last night's episode, when Eden uses her power, we hear a deeper voice. This never happened in the earlier episodes.

I guess all it takes to nullify her power is to stick your fingers in your ears or tape her mouth shut.

A couple of thoughts on this:1) We have no idea about it when she whispered to Isaac as we did not hear her.

2) It might have to do with the "suggestiveness" of the person she is talking to. If she only has to say it once in her "normal" voice, why bother. But with both Matt and her attempt at HRG she said it a 2nd time and that is when the voice kicked in.

 

[Wheelhouse]

So who has Sylar killed?

1. Brian Davis - telekinetic guy

2. That girls parents

3. Jackie the cheerleader

4. Charlie, the waitress

Is there someone I'm missing?

So basically, he has memory power, telekinetic powers and whatever that girls parents had, if any.

 

[Foosball God]

So who has Sylar killed?1. Brian Davis - telekinetic guy2. That girls parents3. Jackie the cheerleader4. Charlie, the waitressIs there someone I'm missing?So basically, he has memory power, telekinetic powers and whatever that girls parents had, if any.

Don't forget Mohinder's father.He's obviously killed some other people as well since the FBI has a history about him even before the Jackie and Charlie murders.

 

[snogger]

So who has Sylar killed?1. Brian Davis - telekinetic guy2. That girls parents3. Jackie the cheerleader4. Charlie, the waitressIs there someone I'm missing?So basically, he has memory power, telekinetic powers and whatever that girls parents had, if any.

Don't forget Mohinder's father.He's obviously killed some other people as well since the FBI has a history about him even before the Jackie and Charlie murders.

Remember the computer screen with I think 4 or 5 deceased behind their names.

 

[bryhamm]

And he is going to kill Isaac unless he is stopped.

 

[Wheelhouse]

Some information on Eden's character that I found on the wikipedia page that I didn't think was made known to viewers watching the show, but I could be wrong. Anyhow, I'm including this info in spoiler form.

mytagid = Math.floor( Math.random() * 100 );document.write("

The girl who would become Eden McCain was born and raised in a small town 240 miles to the east of Las Vegas. Her father frequently argued with her stepmother and left them when she was young. When her stepmother called her worthless, she responded with the words "I wish you'd just die!" Her powers suddenly activated, causing her stepmother's heart to instantly stop beating. She then burned down her house, commanded a passerby to take her west, and later adopted the name Eden.

Presently, Eden is an associate of Mr. Bennet, assisting him to gather information on some of the other characters. She initially claimed to be a former neighbor of the late Chandra Suresh in order to befriend his son, Mohinder, when he visited New York to attend to his father's affairs and retrieve his ashes. When Mohinder decidesd to return to India, she made romantic gestures to get him to stay, or at least to quickly return.

After Mohinder left, Eden relayed to Mr. Bennet the information she learned from Mohinder about Peter, and his claims about Isaac and Hiro. Mr. Bennet then ordered Eden to bring Isaac in. After going to his apartment and introducing herself as a fan of his artwork, she brought Isaac to a secret area in Bennet's workplace in Odessa, Texas. Eden then used her power to persuade Isaac to use heroin, which he had just given up, to paint an prophetic image of Sylar killing Claire for Mr. Bennet, and later, to detain Sylar long enough for the Haitian to capture him.*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

Link from wikipedia page with this same potential spoiler info

 

[NCCommish]

Some information on Eden's character that I found on the wikipedia page that I didn't think was made known to viewers watching the show, but I could be wrong. Anyhow, I'm including this info in spoiler form. Link from wikipedia page

mytagid = Math.floor( Math.random() * 100 );document.write("

The girl who would become Eden McCain was born and raised in a small town 240 miles to the east of Las Vegas. Her father frequently argued with her stepmother and left them when she was young. When her stepmother called her worthless, she responded with the words "I wish you'd just die!" Her powers suddenly activated, causing her stepmother's heart to instantly stop beating. She then burned down her house, commanded a passerby to take her west, and later adopted the name Eden.

Presently, Eden is an associate of Mr. Bennet, assisting him to gather information on some of the other characters. She initially claimed to be a former neighbor of the late Chandra Suresh in order to befriend his son, Mohinder, when he visited New York to attend to his father's affairs and retrieve his ashes. When Mohinder decidesd to return to India, she made romantic gestures to get him to stay, or at least to quickly return.

After Mohinder left, Eden relayed to Mr. Bennet the information she learned from Mohinder about Peter, and his claims about Isaac and Hiro. Mr. Bennet then ordered Eden to bring Isaac in. After going to his apartment and introducing herself as a fan of his artwork, she brought Isaac to a secret area in Bennet's workplace in Odessa, Texas. Eden then used her power to persuade Isaac to use heroin, which he had just given up, to paint an prophetic image of Sylar killing Claire for Mr. Bennet, and later, to detain Sylar long enough for the Haitian to capture him.*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

Her background is in the graphic novel on NBCs site.

 

[Verbal Kint]

So who has Sylar killed?1. Brian Davis - telekinetic guy2. That girls parents3. Jackie the cheerleader4. Charlie, the waitressIs there someone I'm missing?So basically, he has memory power, telekinetic powers and whatever that girls parents had, if any.

Don't forget Mohinder's father.He's obviously killed some other people as well since the FBI has a history about him even before the Jackie and Charlie murders.

The cop that was outside the little girl's room at police HQ.

 

[iamsmilin]

I wonder why in last night's episode, when Eden uses her power, we hear a deeper voice. This never happened in the earlier episodes.

I guess all it takes to nullify her power is to stick your fingers in your ears or tape her mouth shut.

A couple of thoughts on this:1) We have no idea about it when she whispered to Isaac as we did not hear her.

2) It might have to do with the "suggestiveness" of the person she is talking to. If she only has to say it once in her "normal" voice, why bother. But with both Matt and her attempt at HRG she said it a 2nd time and that is when the voice kicked in.

My general thoughts from last night:Last night was the first time it showed her talking from another characters point of view. Maybe that is the way it sounds to the person she is trying to control, but to everyone else she sounds normal.

I think that Charlie did remember Hiro when they "first" meet. But since he suddenly disappeared when she was going to kiss him and was gone, she finally realized he was telling the truth. She then chose not to tell him about meeting her before, because she knew it would be new to him. This does explain the japanese lanquage book but doesn't explain why everyone in the diner acted like Hiro was a stranger.

Peter has the dream power. He hadn't meet Simone or her father when he first had the dream about Nathan. Rememeber they continually would talk about how empathetic he is and how he was so in tuen with others feelings.

DL doesn't die, you can see him with Nikki and the son in one of the scenes from next week. Or I think it's him.

I think the person who dies is radioactive guy or the haitian guy. Still kills off a "hero" without killing him off.

 

[Buckychudd]

Some information on Eden's character that I found on the wikipedia page that I didn't think was made known to viewers watching the show, but I could be wrong. Anyhow, I'm including this info in spoiler form.

mytagid = Math.floor( Math.random() * 100 );document.write("

The girl who would become Eden McCain was born and raised in a small town 240 miles to the east of Las Vegas. Her father frequently argued with her stepmother and left them when she was young. When her stepmother called her worthless, she responded with the words "I wish you'd just die!" Her powers suddenly activated, causing her stepmother's heart to instantly stop beating. She then burned down her house, commanded a passerby to take her west, and later adopted the name Eden.

Presently, Eden is an associate of Mr. Bennet, assisting him to gather information on some of the other characters. She initially claimed to be a former neighbor of the late Chandra Suresh in order to befriend his son, Mohinder, when he visited New York to attend to his father's affairs and retrieve his ashes. When Mohinder decidesd to return to India, she made romantic gestures to get him to stay, or at least to quickly return.

After Mohinder left, Eden relayed to Mr. Bennet the information she learned from Mohinder about Peter, and his claims about Isaac and Hiro. Mr. Bennet then ordered Eden to bring Isaac in. After going to his apartment and introducing herself as a fan of his artwork, she brought Isaac to a secret area in Bennet's workplace in Odessa, Texas. Eden then used her power to persuade Isaac to use heroin, which he had just given up, to paint an prophetic image of Sylar killing Claire for Mr. Bennet, and later, to detain Sylar long enough for the Haitian to capture him.*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

Link from wikipedia page with this same potential spoiler info

All I know is that Eden looked very nice with long hair.

 

[iamsmilin]

So who has Sylar killed?1. Brian Davis - telekinetic guy2. That girls parents3. Jackie the cheerleader4. Charlie, the waitressIs there someone I'm missing?So basically, he has memory power, telekinetic powers and whatever that girls parents had, if any.

Don't forget Mohinder's father.He's obviously killed some other people as well since the FBI has a history about him even before the Jackie and Charlie murders.

Remember the computer screen with I think 4 or 5 deceased behind their names.

Don't forget he froze the little girls dad. So he probably killed someone with freezing powers.Edit to add that Heros is now added onto the main page of Spoilerfix.com, which in the past has been really reliable in collecting information for other shows.

 

[Gamblor]

So who has Sylar killed?1. Brian Davis - telekinetic guy2. That girls parents3. Jackie the cheerleader4. Charlie, the waitressIs there someone I'm missing?So basically, he has memory power, telekinetic powers and whatever that girls parents had, if any.

Don't forget Mohinder's father.He's obviously killed some other people as well since the FBI has a history about him even before the Jackie and Charlie murders.

Remember the computer screen with I think 4 or 5 deceased behind their names.

Don't forget he froze the little girls dad. So he probably killed someone with freezing powers.Edit to add that Heros is now added onto the main page of Spoilerfix.com, which in the past has been really reliable in collecting information for other shows.

Although likely, we cant yet conclude that Sylar did the freezing.

 

[iamsmilin]

So who has Sylar killed?1. Brian Davis - telekinetic guy2. That girls parents3. Jackie the cheerleader4. Charlie, the waitressIs there someone I'm missing?So basically, he has memory power, telekinetic powers and whatever that girls parents had, if any.

Don't forget Mohinder's father.He's obviously killed some other people as well since the FBI has a history about him even before the Jackie and Charlie murders.

Remember the computer screen with I think 4 or 5 deceased behind their names.

Don't forget he froze the little girls dad. So he probably killed someone with freezing powers.Edit to add that Heros is now added onto the main page of Spoilerfix.com, which in the past has been really reliable in collecting information for other shows.

Although likely, we cant yet conclude that Sylar did the freezing.

I think it's pretty obvious it was him. Who else would have done it?

 

[Twilight]

If the book was his he would recognize it when he saw it later (er...earlier...damn time travel)

One thing that I wondered about was that she says he is cute when his cheeks wobble when he concentrates. I didn't see him do any concentrating around her. The main time you see that is when he uses his powers. Does she see him use his powers in the past?

Maybe he meets her in the past, and proves his power to her. Gives her the book, teaches her "You are sweet" but tells her to not mess with the timeline too much and act like she doesn't know him. I'm sure he leaves out her de-braining.

So did Hiro instruct her not to recognize him, or did she think that up herself? Or because she knows she is going to die (she assumes from the blood clot) she decides to pretend not to know him so she can spare him the pain.

I don't think you can assume that she did recognize Hiro when he showed up in the diner. It seemed to me that Hiro couldn't exist in the same place at the same time. He warped away to the rooftop in Japan unexpectedly, which most likely coincided with the time when he first arrived at the diner. Then he couldn't warp back to the diner to save Charlie and was forced instead to warp to a nearby town and take a bus to get to Ando. I got the impression that they were implying that if Hiro witnesses something happening then it can't be undone. Of course since we're dealing with time travel here I'm sure their are a ton of holes in that theory.

The problem with that thought is that Hiro witnessed the destruction of NY. If the Heroes can't change that, it invalidates quite a bit of the show.

 

[Gamblor]

So who has Sylar killed?1. Brian Davis - telekinetic guy2. That girls parents3. Jackie the cheerleader4. Charlie, the waitressIs there someone I'm missing?So basically, he has memory power, telekinetic powers and whatever that girls parents had, if any.

Don't forget Mohinder's father.He's obviously killed some other people as well since the FBI has a history about him even before the Jackie and Charlie murders.

Remember the computer screen with I think 4 or 5 deceased behind their names.

Don't forget he froze the little girls dad. So he probably killed someone with freezing powers.Edit to add that Heros is now added onto the main page of Spoilerfix.com, which in the past has been really reliable in collecting information for other shows.

Although likely, we cant yet conclude that Sylar did the freezing.

I think it's pretty obvious it was him. Who else would have done it?

The little girl Molly. We have seen two instances of freezing (the dad in the kitchen, and the cop from the NBC gallery). Both scenes had Sylar and Molly.Likely Sylar, but not conclusive at this point.

 

[EYLive]

The little girl Molly. We have seen two instances of freezing (the dad in the kitchen, and the cop from the NBC gallery). Both scenes had Sylar and Molly.Likely Sylar, but not conclusive at this point.

The girl was being targeted for her power, which may be the ability to freeze. But why would she freeze her father and a cop? The police/FBI have radioactive guy and the girl in custody. Hope we see more of them.

 

[The Noid]

I wonder why in last night's episode, when Eden uses her power, we hear a deeper voice. This never happened in the earlier episodes.

I guess all it takes to nullify her power is to stick your fingers in your ears or tape her mouth shut.

A couple of thoughts on this:1) We have no idea about it when she whispered to Isaac as we did not hear her.

2) It might have to do with the "suggestiveness" of the person she is talking to. If she only has to say it once in her "normal" voice, why bother. But with both Matt and her attempt at HRG she said it a 2nd time and that is when the voice kicked in.

My general thoughts from last night:Last night was the first time it showed her talking from another characters point of view. Maybe that is the way it sounds to the person she is trying to control, but to everyone else she sounds normal.

I think that Charlie did remember Hiro when they "first" meet. But since he suddenly disappeared when she was going to kiss him and was gone, she finally realized he was telling the truth. She then chose not to tell him about meeting her before, because she knew it would be new to him. This does explain the japanese lanquage book but doesn't explain why everyone in the diner acted like Hiro was a stranger.

Peter has the dream power. He hadn't meet Simone or her father when he first had the dream about Nathan. Rememeber they continually would talk about how empathetic he is and how he was so in tuen with others feelings.

DL doesn't die, you can see him with Nikki and the son in one of the scenes from next week. Or I think it's him.

I think the person who dies is radioactive guy or the haitian guy. Still kills off a "hero" without killing him off.

The Eden thing, I think is getting way over-analyzed. We've never seen her directly use her "power of persuasion," it was only implied. The voice is her using her power, as opposed to just talking. She never used her power on Mohinder, hence why he left, why she got yelled at by HRG and why we never saw her talk like that.I agree with the Charlie/Hiro theory.

So Peter has the dream power AND the power to absorb others powers? I'm not sure I buy he's got power n+1.

Agree.

Agree.

 

[The Noid]

The little girl Molly. We have seen two instances of freezing (the dad in the kitchen, and the cop from the NBC gallery). Both scenes had Sylar and Molly.Likely Sylar, but not conclusive at this point.

The girl was being targeted for her power, which may be the ability to freeze. But why would she freeze her father and a cop? The police/FBI have radioactive guy and the girl in custody. Hope we see more of them.

Because she's 7 and doesn't have control of her powers or understand them yet? Like Nathan flying out of the car last night.

 

[Buckychudd]

The little girl Molly. We have seen two instances of freezing (the dad in the kitchen, and the cop from the NBC gallery). Both scenes had Sylar and Molly.Likely Sylar, but not conclusive at this point.

The girl was being targeted for her power, which may be the ability to freeze. But why would she freeze her father and a cop? The police/FBI have radioactive guy and the girl in custody. Hope we see more of them.

Radioactive guy is on the lamb.

 

[Superman96]

Anyone else notice the relationship between the names of our main hero and main villain?

Peter Gabriel.

 

[Alias]

Some information on Eden's character that I found on the wikipedia page that I didn't think was made known to viewers watching the show, but I could be wrong. Anyhow, I'm including this info in spoiler form. Link from wikipedia page

mytagid = Math.floor( Math.random() * 100 );document.write("

The girl who would become Eden McCain was born and raised in a small town 240 miles to the east of Las Vegas. Her father frequently argued with her stepmother and left them when she was young. When her stepmother called her worthless, she responded with the words "I wish you'd just die!" Her powers suddenly activated, causing her stepmother's heart to instantly stop beating. She then burned down her house, commanded a passerby to take her west, and later adopted the name Eden.

Presently, Eden is an associate of Mr. Bennet, assisting him to gather information on some of the other characters. She initially claimed to be a former neighbor of the late Chandra Suresh in order to befriend his son, Mohinder, when he visited New York to attend to his father's affairs and retrieve his ashes. When Mohinder decidesd to return to India, she made romantic gestures to get him to stay, or at least to quickly return.

After Mohinder left, Eden relayed to Mr. Bennet the information she learned from Mohinder about Peter, and his claims about Isaac and Hiro. Mr. Bennet then ordered Eden to bring Isaac in. After going to his apartment and introducing herself as a fan of his artwork, she brought Isaac to a secret area in Bennet's workplace in Odessa, Texas. Eden then used her power to persuade Isaac to use heroin, which he had just given up, to paint an prophetic image of Sylar killing Claire for Mr. Bennet, and later, to detain Sylar long enough for the Haitian to capture him.*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

Her background is in the graphic novel on NBCs site.

Why didn't her powers work on Mohinder? I realize she tried to seduce him to stay, if she really wanted him to stay couldn't she have made him?

 

[(HULK)]

Some information on Eden's character that I found on the wikipedia page that I didn't think was made known to viewers watching the show, but I could be wrong. Anyhow, I'm including this info in spoiler form. Link from wikipedia page

mytagid = Math.floor( Math.random() * 100 );document.write("

The girl who would become Eden McCain was born and raised in a small town 240 miles to the east of Las Vegas. Her father frequently argued with her stepmother and left them when she was young. When her stepmother called her worthless, she responded with the words "I wish you'd just die!" Her powers suddenly activated, causing her stepmother's heart to instantly stop beating. She then burned down her house, commanded a passerby to take her west, and later adopted the name Eden.

Presently, Eden is an associate of Mr. Bennet, assisting him to gather information on some of the other characters. She initially claimed to be a former neighbor of the late Chandra Suresh in order to befriend his son, Mohinder, when he visited New York to attend to his father's affairs and retrieve his ashes. When Mohinder decidesd to return to India, she made romantic gestures to get him to stay, or at least to quickly return.

After Mohinder left, Eden relayed to Mr. Bennet the information she learned from Mohinder about Peter, and his claims about Isaac and Hiro. Mr. Bennet then ordered Eden to bring Isaac in. After going to his apartment and introducing herself as a fan of his artwork, she brought Isaac to a secret area in Bennet's workplace in Odessa, Texas. Eden then used her power to persuade Isaac to use heroin, which he had just given up, to paint an prophetic image of Sylar killing Claire for Mr. Bennet, and later, to detain Sylar long enough for the Haitian to capture him.*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

Her background is in the graphic novel on NBCs site.

Why didn't her powers work on Mohinder? I realize she tried to seduce him to stay, if she really wanted him to stay couldn't she have made him?

I thought it was 100% clear that she did not use her powers on Mohinder. HRG was pissed at her for not using them. Apparently she's changed a lot for the better in the past 6 months. This actually makes me think that HRG and his organization are actually good guys.

 

[Gamblor]

The little girl Molly. We have seen two instances of freezing (the dad in the kitchen, and the cop from the NBC gallery). Both scenes had Sylar and Molly.Likely Sylar, but not conclusive at this point.

The girl was being targeted for her power, which may be the ability to freeze. But why would she freeze her father and a cop? The police/FBI have radioactive guy and the girl in custody. Hope we see more of them.

No idea why. Could be lack of control. Could be trying to protect them. Might not be her at all. But it does mean we cant conclude Sylar has the freezing power.

 

[iamsmilin]

I wonder why in last night's episode, when Eden uses her power, we hear a deeper voice. This never happened in the earlier episodes.

I guess all it takes to nullify her power is to stick your fingers in your ears or tape her mouth shut.

A couple of thoughts on this:1) We have no idea about it when she whispered to Isaac as we did not hear her.

2) It might have to do with the "suggestiveness" of the person she is talking to. If she only has to say it once in her "normal" voice, why bother. But with both Matt and her attempt at HRG she said it a 2nd time and that is when the voice kicked in.

My general thoughts from last night:Last night was the first time it showed her talking from another characters point of view. Maybe that is the way it sounds to the person she is trying to control, but to everyone else she sounds normal.

I think that Charlie did remember Hiro when they "first" meet. But since he suddenly disappeared when she was going to kiss him and was gone, she finally realized he was telling the truth. She then chose not to tell him about meeting her before, because she knew it would be new to him. This does explain the japanese lanquage book but doesn't explain why everyone in the diner acted like Hiro was a stranger.

Peter has the dream power. He hadn't meet Simone or her father when he first had the dream about Nathan. Rememeber they continually would talk about how empathetic he is and how he was so in tuen with others feelings.

DL doesn't die, you can see him with Nikki and the son in one of the scenes from next week. Or I think it's him.

I think the person who dies is radioactive guy or the haitian guy. Still kills off a "hero" without killing him off.

The Eden thing, I think is getting way over-analyzed. We've never seen her directly use her "power of persuasion," it was only implied. The voice is her using her power, as opposed to just talking. She never used her power on Mohinder, hence why he left, why she got yelled at by HRG and why we never saw her talk like that.I agree with the Charlie/Hiro theory.

So Peter has the dream power AND the power to absorb others powers? I'm not sure I buy he's got power n+1.

Agree.

Agree.

I don't think Peter has n+1 as you desribe it. I think they both play on his natural tendency towards empathy.

 

[Wheelhouse]

FYI, The Sci-FI channel is having a Heroes Marathon in which they will show the first 6 episodes beginning Wed Nov 29th at 6pm et. Link to Sci-Fi page

 

[rick6668]

Enjoyed this episode.

Favorite part was when Hiro called himself.

"Greato Scotto!"

 

[Robbie Cooper]

So how did Eden get turned off? Was it the Haitian?

I don't think that the Haitian's power is the ability to "turn people off'. I think his power is the ability to selectively erase memory.When Eden tried to persuade HRG, watch the glances between the Haitian and HRG. Haitian guy nods/gestures in HRG's direction. There's a very brief pause, and HRG seems to "shake off" Eden's suggestion.I think the way that they were able to neutralize Eden's power over HRG is that the Haitian quickly 'erases' the memory of Eden's suggestion.

 

[Buckychudd]

So how did Eden get turned off? Was it the Haitian?

I don't think that the Haitian's power is the ability to "turn people off'. I think his power is the ability to selectively erase memory.When Eden tried to persuade HRG, watch the glances between the Haitian and HRG. Haitian guy nods/gestures in HRG's direction. There's a very brief pause, and HRG seems to "shake off" Eden's suggestion.I think the way that they were able to neutralize Eden's power over HRG is that the Haitian quickly 'erases' the memory of Eden's suggestion.

Would also answer him shutting off the telepathy powers and not flight, erases his memory of reading minds as he is reading them.

 

[Foosball God]

If the book was his he would recognize it when he saw it later (er...earlier...damn time travel)

One thing that I wondered about was that she says he is cute when his cheeks wobble when he concentrates. I didn't see him do any concentrating around her. The main time you see that is when he uses his powers. Does she see him use his powers in the past?

Maybe he meets her in the past, and proves his power to her. Gives her the book, teaches her "You are sweet" but tells her to not mess with the timeline too much and act like she doesn't know him. I'm sure he leaves out her de-braining.

So did Hiro instruct her not to recognize him, or did she think that up herself? Or because she knows she is going to die (she assumes from the blood clot) she decides to pretend not to know him so she can spare him the pain.

I don't think you can assume that she did recognize Hiro when he showed up in the diner. It seemed to me that Hiro couldn't exist in the same place at the same time. He warped away to the rooftop in Japan unexpectedly, which most likely coincided with the time when he first arrived at the diner. Then he couldn't warp back to the diner to save Charlie and was forced instead to warp to a nearby town and take a bus to get to Ando. I got the impression that they were implying that if Hiro witnesses something happening then it can't be undone. Of course since we're dealing with time travel here I'm sure their are a ton of holes in that theory.

The problem with that thought is that Hiro witnessed the destruction of NY. If the Heroes can't change that, it invalidates quite a bit of the show.

That was in the future though, not in the past.

 

[Worm]

If the book was his he would recognize it when he saw it later (er...earlier...damn time travel)

One thing that I wondered about was that she says he is cute when his cheeks wobble when he concentrates. I didn't see him do any concentrating around her. The main time you see that is when he uses his powers. Does she see him use his powers in the past?

Maybe he meets her in the past, and proves his power to her. Gives her the book, teaches her "You are sweet" but tells her to not mess with the timeline too much and act like she doesn't know him. I'm sure he leaves out her de-braining.

So did Hiro instruct her not to recognize him, or did she think that up herself? Or because she knows she is going to die (she assumes from the blood clot) she decides to pretend not to know him so she can spare him the pain.

I don't think you can assume that she did recognize Hiro when he showed up in the diner. It seemed to me that Hiro couldn't exist in the same place at the same time. He warped away to the rooftop in Japan unexpectedly, which most likely coincided with the time when he first arrived at the diner. Then he couldn't warp back to the diner to save Charlie and was forced instead to warp to a nearby town and take a bus to get to Ando. I got the impression that they were implying that if Hiro witnesses something happening then it can't be undone. Of course since we're dealing with time travel here I'm sure their are a ton of holes in that theory.

The problem with that thought is that Hiro witnessed the destruction of NY. If the Heroes can't change that, it invalidates quite a bit of the show.

I think that Hiro cannot travel into the past and change it. BUT, when he saw destruction of NY, that time that he teleported into (his first successful teleportation) was the future. He then teleported back to present times where he gathered Ando to set off to America to try to stop the destruction. Make sense?

 

[Buckychudd]

If the book was his he would recognize it when he saw it later (er...earlier...damn time travel)

One thing that I wondered about was that she says he is cute when his cheeks wobble when he concentrates. I didn't see him do any concentrating around her. The main time you see that is when he uses his powers. Does she see him use his powers in the past?

Maybe he meets her in the past, and proves his power to her. Gives her the book, teaches her "You are sweet" but tells her to not mess with the timeline too much and act like she doesn't know him. I'm sure he leaves out her de-braining.

So did Hiro instruct her not to recognize him, or did she think that up herself? Or because she knows she is going to die (she assumes from the blood clot) she decides to pretend not to know him so she can spare him the pain.

I don't think you can assume that she did recognize Hiro when he showed up in the diner. It seemed to me that Hiro couldn't exist in the same place at the same time. He warped away to the rooftop in Japan unexpectedly, which most likely coincided with the time when he first arrived at the diner. Then he couldn't warp back to the diner to save Charlie and was forced instead to warp to a nearby town and take a bus to get to Ando. I got the impression that they were implying that if Hiro witnesses something happening then it can't be undone. Of course since we're dealing with time travel here I'm sure their are a ton of holes in that theory.

The problem with that thought is that Hiro witnessed the destruction of NY. If the Heroes can't change that, it invalidates quite a bit of the show.

I think that Hiro cannot travel into the past and change it. BUT, when he saw destruction of NY, that time that he teleported into (his first successful teleportation) was the future. He then teleported back to present times where he gathered Ando to set off to America to try to stop the destruction. Make sense?

No.Especially given that his future self traveled back and changed the past, "Save the Cheerleader" implies she died in an alternate timeline.

 

[Joseph]

If the book was his he would recognize it when he saw it later (er...earlier...damn time travel)

One thing that I wondered about was that she says he is cute when his cheeks wobble when he concentrates. I didn't see him do any concentrating around her. The main time you see that is when he uses his powers. Does she see him use his powers in the past?

Maybe he meets her in the past, and proves his power to her. Gives her the book, teaches her "You are sweet" but tells her to not mess with the timeline too much and act like she doesn't know him. I'm sure he leaves out her de-braining.

So did Hiro instruct her not to recognize him, or did she think that up herself? Or because she knows she is going to die (she assumes from the blood clot) she decides to pretend not to know him so she can spare him the pain.

I don't think you can assume that she did recognize Hiro when he showed up in the diner. It seemed to me that Hiro couldn't exist in the same place at the same time. He warped away to the rooftop in Japan unexpectedly, which most likely coincided with the time when he first arrived at the diner. Then he couldn't warp back to the diner to save Charlie and was forced instead to warp to a nearby town and take a bus to get to Ando. I got the impression that they were implying that if Hiro witnesses something happening then it can't be undone. Of course since we're dealing with time travel here I'm sure their are a ton of holes in that theory.

The problem with that thought is that Hiro witnessed the destruction of NY. If the Heroes can't change that, it invalidates quite a bit of the show.

I think that Hiro cannot travel into the past and change it. BUT, when he saw destruction of NY, that time that he teleported into (his first successful teleportation) was the future. He then teleported back to present times where he gathered Ando to set off to America to try to stop the destruction. Make sense?

I really hope we don't get clarification as to what Hiro can and can't undo... Going down that road leads to time travel paradoxes and lots of unforseen problems. They're better off to simply leave it as he either changed something or didn't... Vague is good in this case.

 

[Worm]

If the book was his he would recognize it when he saw it later (er...earlier...damn time travel)

One thing that I wondered about was that she says he is cute when his cheeks wobble when he concentrates. I didn't see him do any concentrating around her. The main time you see that is when he uses his powers. Does she see him use his powers in the past?

Maybe he meets her in the past, and proves his power to her. Gives her the book, teaches her "You are sweet" but tells her to not mess with the timeline too much and act like she doesn't know him. I'm sure he leaves out her de-braining.

So did Hiro instruct her not to recognize him, or did she think that up herself? Or because she knows she is going to die (she assumes from the blood clot) she decides to pretend not to know him so she can spare him the pain.

I don't think you can assume that she did recognize Hiro when he showed up in the diner. It seemed to me that Hiro couldn't exist in the same place at the same time. He warped away to the rooftop in Japan unexpectedly, which most likely coincided with the time when he first arrived at the diner. Then he couldn't warp back to the diner to save Charlie and was forced instead to warp to a nearby town and take a bus to get to Ando. I got the impression that they were implying that if Hiro witnesses something happening then it can't be undone. Of course since we're dealing with time travel here I'm sure their are a ton of holes in that theory.

The problem with that thought is that Hiro witnessed the destruction of NY. If the Heroes can't change that, it invalidates quite a bit of the show.

I think that Hiro cannot travel into the past and change it. BUT, when he saw destruction of NY, that time that he teleported into (his first successful teleportation) was the future. He then teleported back to present times where he gathered Ando to set off to America to try to stop the destruction. Make sense?

No.Especially given that his future self traveled back and changed the past, "Save the Cheerleader" implies she died in an alternate timeline.

Isaac painted the future in regards to the Cheerleader. That had nothing to do with Hiro. Fits in with the theme that they can change the future but not the past.

 

[Buckychudd]

If the book was his he would recognize it when he saw it later (er...earlier...damn time travel)

One thing that I wondered about was that she says he is cute when his cheeks wobble when he concentrates. I didn't see him do any concentrating around her. The main time you see that is when he uses his powers. Does she see him use his powers in the past?

Maybe he meets her in the past, and proves his power to her. Gives her the book, teaches her "You are sweet" but tells her to not mess with the timeline too much and act like she doesn't know him. I'm sure he leaves out her de-braining.

So did Hiro instruct her not to recognize him, or did she think that up herself? Or because she knows she is going to die (she assumes from the blood clot) she decides to pretend not to know him so she can spare him the pain.

I don't think you can assume that she did recognize Hiro when he showed up in the diner. It seemed to me that Hiro couldn't exist in the same place at the same time. He warped away to the rooftop in Japan unexpectedly, which most likely coincided with the time when he first arrived at the diner. Then he couldn't warp back to the diner to save Charlie and was forced instead to warp to a nearby town and take a bus to get to Ando. I got the impression that they were implying that if Hiro witnesses something happening then it can't be undone. Of course since we're dealing with time travel here I'm sure their are a ton of holes in that theory.

The problem with that thought is that Hiro witnessed the destruction of NY. If the Heroes can't change that, it invalidates quite a bit of the show.

I think that Hiro cannot travel into the past and change it. BUT, when he saw destruction of NY, that time that he teleported into (his first successful teleportation) was the future. He then teleported back to present times where he gathered Ando to set off to America to try to stop the destruction. Make sense?

No.Especially given that his future self traveled back and changed the past, "Save the Cheerleader" implies she died in an alternate timeline.

Isaac painted the future in regards to the Cheerleader. That had nothing to do with Hiro. Fits in with the theme that they can change the future but not the past.

Doesn't make sense that Future Hiro travelled back to tell Peter to save the Cheerleader if she was going to live anyway.

 

[Mario Kart]

Dont think it has been mentioned or theorized but what if Hiro's time travel is similar to how the Terminator movies are represented? No matter what travels back and forth through time is irrevelavent because the events are still going to take place.

Hiro, in this sense, is not really in control of his life or powers. In fact, if his time travel would be similar to this he is like a narrator in a story... knows all, tells all, but changes nothing. Everything he tells people in the past or present or future is what would have gone on anyway.

 

[Buckychudd]

I really hope we don't get clarification as to what Hiro can and can't undo... Going down that road leads to time travel paradoxes and lots of unforseen problems. They're better off to simply leave it as he either changed something or didn't... Vague is good in this case.

There going to eventually screw this "rule" up if they already haven't.

 

[Buckychudd]

Dont think it has been mentioned or theorized but what if Hiro's time travel is similar to how the Terminator movies are represented? No matter what travels back and forth through time is irrevelavent because the events are still going to take place.Hiro, in this sense, is not really in control of his life or powers. In fact, if his time travel would be similar to this he is like a narrator in a story... knows all, tells all, but changes nothing. Everything he tells people in the past or present or future is what would have gone on anyway.

The Terminator movies were just a bunch of unresolved paradoxes.

 

[Mario Kart]

Dont think it has been mentioned or theorized but what if Hiro's time travel is similar to how the Terminator movies are represented? No matter what travels back and forth through time is irrevelavent because the events are still going to take place.Hiro, in this sense, is not really in control of his life or powers. In fact, if his time travel would be similar to this he is like a narrator in a story... knows all, tells all, but changes nothing. Everything he tells people in the past or present or future is what would have gone on anyway.

The Terminator movies were just a bunch of unresolved paradoxes.

Not fully true. The main "paradox" stayed intact the whole way through. The fact that there were attempts at change were just life playing itself out. I would not clasify that the event not ever changing is a paradox because it really never changed. I am thinking the same thing about Hiro and how his character will live out his life.

 

[Foosball God]

If the book was his he would recognize it when he saw it later (er...earlier...damn time travel)

One thing that I wondered about was that she says he is cute when his cheeks wobble when he concentrates. I didn't see him do any concentrating around her. The main time you see that is when he uses his powers. Does she see him use his powers in the past?

Maybe he meets her in the past, and proves his power to her. Gives her the book, teaches her "You are sweet" but tells her to not mess with the timeline too much and act like she doesn't know him. I'm sure he leaves out her de-braining.

So did Hiro instruct her not to recognize him, or did she think that up herself? Or because she knows she is going to die (she assumes from the blood clot) she decides to pretend not to know him so she can spare him the pain.

I don't think you can assume that she did recognize Hiro when he showed up in the diner. It seemed to me that Hiro couldn't exist in the same place at the same time. He warped away to the rooftop in Japan unexpectedly, which most likely coincided with the time when he first arrived at the diner. Then he couldn't warp back to the diner to save Charlie and was forced instead to warp to a nearby town and take a bus to get to Ando. I got the impression that they were implying that if Hiro witnesses something happening then it can't be undone. Of course since we're dealing with time travel here I'm sure their are a ton of holes in that theory.

The problem with that thought is that Hiro witnessed the destruction of NY. If the Heroes can't change that, it invalidates quite a bit of the show.

I think that Hiro cannot travel into the past and change it. BUT, when he saw destruction of NY, that time that he teleported into (his first successful teleportation) was the future. He then teleported back to present times where he gathered Ando to set off to America to try to stop the destruction. Make sense?

No.Especially given that his future self traveled back and changed the past, "Save the Cheerleader" implies she died in an alternate timeline.

Isaac painted the future in regards to the Cheerleader. That had nothing to do with Hiro. Fits in with the theme that they can change the future but not the past.

Doesn't make sense that Future Hiro travelled back to tell Peter to save the Cheerleader if she was going to live anyway.

Maybe Hiro figures out later that HE can't change the past, but other people can. This is why future Hiro doesn't just go back and try to save Claire himself, he goes back to Peter who he knows will believe him.

 

[malice]

So how did Eden get turned off? Was it the Haitian?

I don't think that the Haitian's power is the ability to "turn people off'. I think his power is the ability to selectively erase memory.When Eden tried to persuade HRG, watch the glances between the Haitian and HRG. Haitian guy nods/gestures in HRG's direction. There's a very brief pause, and HRG seems to "shake off" Eden's suggestion.I think the way that they were able to neutralize Eden's power over HRG is that the Haitian quickly 'erases' the memory of Eden's suggestion.

The Haitian cancels powers temporarily. Eden couldn't influence HRG with him in the room and Matt couldn't read his thoughts when he saw him in the bar.

 

[Buckychudd]

So how did Eden get turned off? Was it the Haitian?

I don't think that the Haitian's power is the ability to "turn people off'. I think his power is the ability to selectively erase memory.When Eden tried to persuade HRG, watch the glances between the Haitian and HRG. Haitian guy nods/gestures in HRG's direction. There's a very brief pause, and HRG seems to "shake off" Eden's suggestion.I think the way that they were able to neutralize Eden's power over HRG is that the Haitian quickly 'erases' the memory of Eden's suggestion.

The Haitian cancels powers temporarily. Eden couldn't influence HRG with him in the room and Matt couldn't read his thoughts when he saw him in the bar.

He may or may not cancel powers, he definitely erases memories (everyone HRG kidnapped, the QB he emptied out, etc.).

 

[malice]

So how did Eden get turned off? Was it the Haitian?

I don't think that the Haitian's power is the ability to "turn people off'. I think his power is the ability to selectively erase memory.When Eden tried to persuade HRG, watch the glances between the Haitian and HRG. Haitian guy nods/gestures in HRG's direction. There's a very brief pause, and HRG seems to "shake off" Eden's suggestion.I think the way that they were able to neutralize Eden's power over HRG is that the Haitian quickly 'erases' the memory of Eden's suggestion.

The Haitian cancels powers temporarily. Eden couldn't influence HRG with him in the room and Matt couldn't read his thoughts when he saw him in the bar.

He may or may not cancel powers, he definitely erases memories (everyone HRG kidnapped, the QB he emptied out, etc.).

Then how else do you explain Matt being able to read everybody else's mind in the bar except his?

 

[EYLive]

He may or may not cancel powers, he definitely erases memories (everyone HRG kidnapped, the QB he emptied out, etc.).

Just thought of something. Each time we see the Haitian nullify (and/or erase the memory) a hero, it's always been on a hero with mind powers (Eden & Matt). But when him and Bennet tried to corner Nathan, Nathan got away... perhaps because his power is physical. So in theory, he can't stop Claire from healing herself or DL from phasing, but he would be able to make Micah dumb and Charlie forget stuff.

 

[Gamblor]

So how did Eden get turned off? Was it the Haitian?

I don't think that the Haitian's power is the ability to "turn people off'. I think his power is the ability to selectively erase memory.When Eden tried to persuade HRG, watch the glances between the Haitian and HRG. Haitian guy nods/gestures in HRG's direction. There's a very brief pause, and HRG seems to "shake off" Eden's suggestion.I think the way that they were able to neutralize Eden's power over HRG is that the Haitian quickly 'erases' the memory of Eden's suggestion.

The Haitian cancels powers temporarily. Eden couldn't influence HRG with him in the room and Matt couldn't read his thoughts when he saw him in the bar.

He may or may not cancel powers, he definitely erases memories (everyone HRG kidnapped, the QB he emptied out, etc.).

Then how else do you explain Matt being able to read everybody else's mind in the bar except his?

He was erasing thoughts from Matt's mind as Matt was trying to "hear" them. If I remember the scene correctly Matt's mind was totally blank - he wasnt hearing anyone's thoughts at the bar, including the Haitian.

 

[Buckychudd]

So how did Eden get turned off? Was it the Haitian?

I don't think that the Haitian's power is the ability to "turn people off'. I think his power is the ability to selectively erase memory.When Eden tried to persuade HRG, watch the glances between the Haitian and HRG. Haitian guy nods/gestures in HRG's direction. There's a very brief pause, and HRG seems to "shake off" Eden's suggestion.I think the way that they were able to neutralize Eden's power over HRG is that the Haitian quickly 'erases' the memory of Eden's suggestion.

The Haitian cancels powers temporarily. Eden couldn't influence HRG with him in the room and Matt couldn't read his thoughts when he saw him in the bar.

He may or may not cancel powers, he definitely erases memories (everyone HRG kidnapped, the QB he emptied out, etc.).

Then how else do you explain Matt being able to read everybody else's mind in the bar except his?

Possibly he just immediately erased Matt's memory of having read his mind.....I haven't ruled out that he has cancelling powers, they just haven't definitively showed it. In fact he let Nathan fly away, and had to sneak up on Sylar rather than confront him directly.

 

[Foosball God]

So how did Eden get turned off? Was it the Haitian?

I don't think that the Haitian's power is the ability to "turn people off'. I think his power is the ability to selectively erase memory.When Eden tried to persuade HRG, watch the glances between the Haitian and HRG. Haitian guy nods/gestures in HRG's direction. There's a very brief pause, and HRG seems to "shake off" Eden's suggestion.I think the way that they were able to neutralize Eden's power over HRG is that the Haitian quickly 'erases' the memory of Eden's suggestion.

The Haitian cancels powers temporarily. Eden couldn't influence HRG with him in the room and Matt couldn't read his thoughts when he saw him in the bar.

He may or may not cancel powers, he definitely erases memories (everyone HRG kidnapped, the QB he emptied out, etc.).

Then how else do you explain Matt being able to read everybody else's mind in the bar except his?

Possibly he just immediately erased Matt's memory of having read his mind.....I haven't ruled out that he has cancelling powers, they just haven't definitively showed it. In fact he let Nathan fly away, and had to sneak up on Sylar rather than confront him directly.

If true it seems like Eden could control the Haitian if she wanted to. She could "persuade him" not to erase her suggestions.