Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (8 Viewers)

[timschochet]

No it sounds like the truth.

If you think it's the truth that Hillary Clinton will have dictatorial control over the NSA and use it to eliminate opponents and accumulate power for herself, then your "truth" is far removed from mine. 

 

[Guest]

Bovada and sportsbook.ag both have -650. Who taught you how to pick things up?   

Mine included fully loaded transaction costs. The straight futures are $0.82 - $0.84 for a $1 payout. Which if I understand betting parlance is better than -650. But the site has a vig and a charge on withdrawing the funds. So the 10% is net all that. 

On the upside you can deposit via credit card which gets you another 1%+.

There a reason you give a damn? My point is I believe enough to put real money on the line. Not that I'm someone who is managing a stack and does this constantly.

 

[David Dodds]

I think you do a great job for Footballguys, but politically you're no better than Mr Ham. You and he should swap conspiracy theories. 

- Million dollar birthday gifts through the Clinton Foundation for 5 minutes of their time.  Oh and to make sure you don't add our country to the Terrorist list.  Hundreds of thousands for Wall-Street speeches and the banks are lined up to be part of these.  All part of getting mega-TARP deals so why blame them.  They see the game and are eager to play.

- Sell off 20% of US Uranium for 100s of millions of donations to the Clinton Foundation.  Did not key members of the board of directors of Uranium One donate to the Clinton Foundation hundreds of millions of dollars?  This was because they love Haiti?  Is that what everyone believes here?

- Leaked "EXACTLY WORDED" question at CNN Town Hall to HRC team in advance.  Countless emails leaked showing articles PLACED into papers.  Others where they were completely re-written after Podesta's team went through them.  Sorry, I prefer investigative journalism over state-sponsored propaganda.

- HRC team hating on Catholics, Southerners, Needy Latinos, and every one else.  Own staff admitting she does not connect well with normal people. 

- Clear public and private positions on Wall Street oversight (talk tough and let them do what they want, make sure to get TARP kickbacks to key dems though), Fracking (loves it except when trying to woo Bernie voters, Trade Proposal (Is she for or against TPP.  Pay-to-Play kicks in so she now loves the TPP), Health-care (All aboard Obama plan and now hates it).

- Clinton team knowingly did not turn over thumb-drive and emails to State Department.  Massaged message so everyone knew the correct talking points here.  Worked with the State Department so they could manage the criminal activity to not hurt her politically.

- HRC has multiple emails talking about her disdain for Assange and Snowden.  They have lifted the veil and show how the NSA is spying on all US citizens.  It's her life mission to wreck these people and any other potential whistle-blowers.  If you think she is not going to task the NSA to privately wreck with opponents, you are the one with your head in the sand.  It's what people with power and no ethics do).

- Her blaming of Russia on all leaks (even when it looks like some of these hacks were inside jobs), has essentially ratcheted up the tension between Russia and us.  She constantly ratches up the tension with China as well.  McCarthyism all over again.  You are either with her or you are a Terrorist.

 

[dancingbones]

She will just be the Goldman Sachs puppet to talk to the people.  But she has been exposed and has no credibility. She has been playing pay-for-play so long that she really has no idea how to talk to common people.  Wikileaks has exposed her to be pay for play on virtually every issue.  Emails from Chelsea Clinton show an attempt to reform the Clinton Foundation was both mocked and laughed at by the power brokers that run her election.  She stands for nothing except to make herself rich.  You want policy change, just send in your 6-7 figure donation to the Clinton Foundation and she'll get it done.

Long-standing Democrat here, but I want nothing to do with this Democrat party anymore.  I thank Wikileaks, the Guardian, Intercept and others for unveiling the curtain to the rigged world we live in.  It's a given Hillary will win.  It was decided years ago.  It did not matter who was her opponent.  The media's job was to ensure a Democrat win.  and now with Hillary controlling the NSA, no candidate stands a chance to ever defeat her regardless of how bad she is as President.  She will make sure to crush any foes using all the power the NSA can muster (and that's pretty powerful seeing how they forced Yahoo and others through court order to have all emails go through the NSA computers).  

I laugh at people thinking it's ok for someone to wield this much power.  Do whatever you want - no media accountability.  Break any laws you want - State Dept will look the other way.  Use the NSA to eliminate all opposing threats (under the guise of national security).  Not sure how the USA became this, but it's a sad time.   

So David, who will you be voting for?

 

[BeaverCleaver]

And this sounds just like MOP. 

It's no different than you saying Trump would create a dictatorship.

 

[Abraham]

- Million dollar birthday gifts through the Clinton Foundation for 5 minutes of their time.  Oh and to make sure you don't add our country to the Terrorist list.  Hundreds of thousands for Wall-Street speeches and the banks are lined up to be part of these.  All part of getting mega-TARP deals so why blame them.  They see the game and are eager to play.

- Sell off 20% of US Uranium for 100s of millions of donations to the Clinton Foundation.  Did not key members of the board of directors of Uranium One donate to the Clinton Foundation hundreds of millions of dollars?  This was because they love Haiti?  Is that what everyone believes here?

- Leaked "EXACTLY WORDED" question at CNN Town Hall to HRC team in advance.  Countless emails leaked showing articles PLACED into papers.  Others where they were completely re-written after Podesta's team went through them.  Sorry, I prefer investigative journalism over state-sponsored propaganda.

- HRC team hating on Catholics, Southerners, Needy Latinos, and every one else.  Own staff admitting she does not connect well with normal people. 

- Clear public and private positions on Wall Street oversight (talk tough and let them do what they want, make sure to get TARP kickbacks to key dems though), Fracking (loves it except when trying to woo Bernie voters, Trade Proposal (Is she for or against TPP.  Pay-to-Play kicks in so she now loves the TPP), Health-care (All aboard Obama plan and now hates it).

- Clinton team knowingly did not turn over thumb-drive and emails to State Department.  Massaged message so everyone knew the correct talking points here.  Worked with the State Department so they could manage the criminal activity to not hurt her politically.

- HRC has multiple emails talking about her disdain for Assange and Snowden.  They have lifted the veil and show how the NSA is spying on all US citizens.  It's her life mission to wreck these people and any other potential whistle-blowers.  If you think she is not going to task the NSA to privately wreck with opponents, you are the one with your head in the sand.  It's what people with power and no ethics do).

- Her blaming of Russia on all leaks (even when it looks like some of these hacks were inside jobs), has essentially ratcheted up the tension between Russia and us.  She constantly ratches up the tension with China as well.  McCarthyism all over again.  You are either with her or you are a Terrorist.

I don't care that she took money for speeches. I don't know why anyone does   Speaking at Goldman for a zillion dollars doesn't make her a puppet.  It makes her a vendor.

hillary had authority to sell off 20% of our Uranium?  

Good luck finding investigative journalism in a day and age where Kim kardashian is the most popular person on earth  

I think admitting she doesn't relate to normal people is a good thing. Self awareness is really powerful, and certainly better than acting like you know the plight of the middle or lower class when you clearly don't.  

Of course she hates Snowden and Assanfe   You know else does? Most of America and definitely most of Washington.  I think both are heros, but I'm not surprised that a politician disagrees  

they are all scumbags, liars, and thieves. But being those things is not mutually exclusive to being a good President.  Get it together   

 

[David Dodds]

I think the USA has lost because the people in power have made this to be Democrats vs Republicans.  That's pretty much a joke at this point.  The curtain unveiled shows these organizations to be very similar from where I sit.  Big money runs this country.  The president is merely a puppet to try and appease the minions.  But in propping up a hated HRC, big money might end up with something even they don't like.  A President that no one can stand.  

The crowds attending Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders rallies show where the real pulse of this country is at.  They are fed up with the status quo of politicians talk and no action.  Her team will continue to work to keep the 1% fed (and her paid) while she talks out of both sides of her mouth.  At some point, the people will say screw this Oligarchy.  It's not working for me.  In that way, this election cycle has won in a big way.  The people hate both of these candidates.  I am solidly in that camp.

I don't see healing after HRC wins.  Too many people hate her.  And as more leaks of pay-to-play politics, criminal wrong-doing pushed under the carpet keep surfacing, she will have no mandate in anything she wants to do. 

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I think the USA has lost because the people in power have made this to be Democrats vs Republicans.  That's pretty much a joke at this point.  The curtain unveiled shows these organizations to be very similar from where I sit.  Big money runs this country.  The president is merely a puppet to try and appease the minions.  But in propping up a hated HRC, big money might end up with something even they don't like.  A President that no one can stand.  

The crowds attending Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders rallies show where the real pulse of this country is at.  They are fed up with the status quo of politicians talk and no action.  Her team will continue to work to keep the 1% fed (and her paid) while she talks out of both sides of her mouth.  At some point, the people will say screw this Oligarchy.  It's not working for me.  In that way, this election cycle has won in a big way.  The people hate both of these candidates.  I am solidly in that camp.

I don't see healing after HRC wins.  Too many people hate her.  And as more leaks of pay-to-play politics, criminal wrong-doing pushed under the carpet keep surfacing, she will have no mandate in anything she wants to do. 

 

[Abraham]

What "healing" are we in such dire need of?

 

[David Dodds]

So David, who will you be voting for?

I will be marching with the hackers in the Million Mask March.  I will write in Bernie Sanders for President.  He was at least honest.

 

[[scooter]]

  She held back on attacking Obama for cocaine use. That was the point of the article that you just referenced.

I feel like I'm arguing with Hipple here.

She did not.  It's how we knew Obama used "a little blow".

Barack Obama wrote that he used "a little blow" in his own 1995 book "Dreams From My Father". That's how we know Obama used "a little blow".

You see, this is why you have zero credibility around here.

 

[[scooter]]

The crowds attending Donald Trump rallies show where the real pulse of this country is at.

The fact that you are not alarmed by this makes me want to cancel my subscription.

 

[Guest]

I think the USA has lost because the people in power have made this to be Democrats vs Republicans.  That's pretty much a joke at this point.  The curtain unveiled shows these organizations to be very similar from where I sit.  Big money runs this country.  The president is merely a puppet to try and appease the minions.  But in propping up a hated HRC, big money might end up with something even they don't like.  A President that no one can stand.  

The crowds attending Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders rallies show where the real pulse of this country is at.  They are fed up with the status quo of politicians talk and no action.  Her team will continue to work to keep the 1% fed (and her paid) while she talks out of both sides of her mouth.  At some point, the people will say screw this Oligarchy.  It's not working for me.  In that way, this election cycle has won in a big way.  The people hate both of these candidates.  I am solidly in that camp.

I don't see healing after HRC wins.  Too many people hate her.  And as more leaks of pay-to-play politics, criminal wrong-doing pushed under the carpet keep surfacing, she will have no mandate in anything she wants to do. 

Which parts of this couldn't have been said in every one of the last 6 decades?

 

[dancingbones]

I will be marching with the hackers in the Million Mask March.  I will write in Bernie Sanders for President.  He was at least honest.

Fair enough.  I like Bernie and a lot of his ideas as well, but I don't think he was electable in the general election.  

A write in for Sanders is, of course, a throw away/ protest vote.  I voted for Nader in 2000 under the logic that it didn't matter - both Bush & Gore were completely uninspiring and "the system" was set up so that it didn't matter which person won.

The truth is that it did matter quite a bit in the end.  I vowed never to throw away my vote in the presidential election ever again.  I happen to think Hillary will be a fine president.  I am comfortable with someone who has no illusions about the game that they are playing, and I trust her to play that game to advance the interests of the US - and specifically to advocate for the voices of women & children.  That is the only influence I have regarding "the system".

Or I could try out ranting on a message board & see how that goes, I guess.

 

[David Dodds]

The fact that you are not alarmed by this makes me want to cancel my subscription.

It's called anger.  I know most want to say it's KKK get togethers and I am sure that is a possible component.  But's it's also an angry component that the system is not working for them.  The lifelong politicians on the Republican side were not drawing crowds.  The Bernie Rallies were just as strong and people were preaching peace and love.  HRC was getting 50-100 people to attend her events.  As a country, we are rebelling against the status quo from both political parties because these parties don't represent us.  The parties represent the elite and Wall Street.    

 

[David Dodds]

Fair enough.  I like Bernie and a lot of his ideas as well, but I don't think he was electable in the general election.  

A write in for Sanders is, of course, a throw away/ protest vote.  I voted for Nader in 2000 under the logic that it didn't matter - both Bush & Gore were completely uninspiring and "the system" was set up so that it didn't matter which person won.

The truth is that it did matter quite a bit in the end.  I vowed never to throw away my vote in the presidential election ever again.  I happen to think Hillary will be a fine president.  I am comfortable with someone who has no illusions about the game that they are playing, and I trust her to play that game to advance the interests of the US - and specifically to advocate for the voices of women & children.  That is the only influence I have regarding "the system".

Or I could try out ranting on a message board & see how that goes, I guess.




 

I live in California.  My vote for President never matters.  That's part of the crappy system that's in play where 8-9 states decide who the President will be.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

It's called anger.  I know most want to say it's KKK get togethers and I am sure that is a possible component.  But's it's also an angry component that the system is not working for them.  The lifelong politicians on the Republican side were not drawing crowds.  The Bernie Rallies were just as strong and people were preaching peace and love.  HRC was getting 50-100 people to attend her events.  As a country, we are rebelling against the status quo from both political parties because these parties don't represent us.  The parties represent the elite and Wall Street.    

It's not that difficult to understand this.

 

[Koya]

But in propping up a hated HRC, big money might end up with something even they don't like.  A President that no one can stand.  

It appears you have bought into the very hype forced upon us by propogandist media that has made her "hated" - not disliked.  Not someone to have concerns about. Not someone to remain skeptical towards.

HATED.

You say you will write in ol' honest Bernie - who fed into those same fear mongering tactics about Hillary, hurting his own "cause" for personal political gain.  And he's your hero?

I'm no Hillary fan. I'm voting Libertarian, as I did four years ago.  But each of us needs to really take responsibility for the role we have played in this dichotomous election.  It's not as if I'm not guilty myself. It's just I recognized a few months back, at the height of bernie mania, what was really going on. And while I did not like Hillary personally, rooted not only in questionable POLICY decisions (not the ancillary dirt they've been trying to dig up for 20+ years now) but her carpetbagging to my damn state. Then, I recognized that my approach was doing a disservice to my nation, the causes I believed in, the beliefs upon which this country was founded and, ultimately, myself. From then on I've actively recanted my "hate" for Hillary, recognizing it was not only over the top and unsubstantiated, but actually fueled by the very forces I felt are most dangerous for this nation (the hard nationalist right, with a lack of caring and even concern for those not like them, be it religiously, culturally, ethnically, racially, politically). Fox news and their minions got to me and I became a bit of a parrot of that same viscerally dangerous and intellectually shallow #### show. 

When you feed into a two decades old effort to undercut Hillary, you are part of the problem, not the solution.  I was part of that problem. Hopefully not too much, but I wish everyone would reflect upon themselves to determine the real motivations and basis for their "hatred" of Hillary.  Don't be the pawn of those who stand against the very values you wish to see once again permeate this nation in an effort to usurp control, freedom and liberty from any and all who do not abide by their way of life.  Be strong, be reflective, be independently minde, and rise above it.

Then cast your vote.  And be proud of it. 

 

[BeaverCleaver]

It appears you have bought into the very hype forced upon us by propogandist media that has made her "hated" - not disliked.  Not someone to have concerns about. Not someone to remain skeptical towards.

HATED.

You say you will write in ol' honest Bernie - who fed into those same fear mongering tactics about Hillary, hurting his own "cause" for personal political gain.  And he's your hero?

I'm no Hillary fan. I'm voting Libertarian, as I did four years ago.  But each of us needs to really take responsibility for the role we have played in this dichotomous election.  It's not as if I'm not guilty myself. It's just I recognized a few months back, at the height of bernie mania, what was really going on. And while I did not like Hillary personally, rooted not only in questionable POLICY decisions (not the ancillary dirt they've been trying to dig up for 20+ years now) but her carpetbagging to my damn state, I recognized that my approach was doing a disservice to my nation, the causes I believed in, the beliefs upon which this country was founded and, ultimately, myself. From then on I've actively recanted my "hate" for Hillary, recognizing it was not only over the top and unsubstantiated, but actually fueled by the very forces I felt are most dangerous for this nation (the hard nationalist right, with a lack of caring and even concern for those not like them, be it religiously, culturally, ethnically, racially, politically). Fox news and their minions got to me and I became a bit of a parrot of that same viscerally dangerous and intellectually shallow #### show. 

When you feed into a two decades old effort to undercut Hillary, you are part of the problem, not the solution.  I was part of that problem. Hopefully not not so much, but I wish everyone would reflect upon themselves to determine the real motivations and basis for their "hatred" of Hillary.  Don't be the pawn of those who stand against the very values you wish to see once again permeate this nation in an effort to usurp control, freedom and liberty from any and all who do not abide by their way of life.  Be strong, be reflective, be independently minde, and rise above it.

Then cast your vote.  And be proud of it. 

This crap that those that don't vote for Hillary are part of the problem has to stop. It's ridiculous.

 

[[scooter]]

The fact that you are not alarmed by this makes me want to cancel my subscription.

It's called anger.  I know most want to say it's KKK get togethers and I am sure that is a possible component.  But's it's also an angry component that the system is not working for them.

When I look at the crowd of a Trump rally, I don't see anger that the system is not working for them. I see anger that the system is working for other people.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Tim still hasn't answered why he's against citizens united. That's one thing I've noticed with him many times. When he doesn't have an answer, he just won't reply. He knows people will forget and go on like he wasn't just backed into a corner.

 

[ShamrockPride]

The fact that you are not alarmed by this makes me want to cancel my subscription.

Please leave then. For everyone's sake. Reinforce the stereotypical liberal and run to your safe space, far from here.

 

[dancingbones]

I live in California.  My vote for President never matters.  That's part of the crappy system that's in play where 8-9 states decide who the President will be.

Yeah, I live in MN & knew my vote wouldn't matter in 2000 either - Gore had the state in the bag.  One other part of my rationale was to get the Green party to 5% in a state wide election so that in MN they would be eligible for a political donation option on state income tax forms (which did happen).  Couldn't help but wonder if enough people had acted the same way & it came down to MN that decided the election instead of FL, I would have been very disappointed in myself.  As much as I was not inspired by Gore, I really did not agree with Bush in the white house. 

I wish we had a Parliament in this country.  Much less of a set up for the status quo.

But, we don't.  Thanks a lot, founding fathers.

 

[Koya]

This crap that those that don't vote for Hillary are part of the problem has to stop. It's ridiculous.

I try to refrain from comments like this, but... ARE YOU STUPID?

Or just lazy?

Read my post again, then tell me about my view on people that don't VOTE for Hillary. 'Cause I'm going to be one of them.  Doesn't mean I need to vilify the candidate I won't vote for. Well, at least the one who is not a racist, demagogic narcissist.  As a non-Hillary voter, and someone that honestly does NOT like her and has huge reservations about her policy decisions, it's clear that between the two main parties, you have one legitimate qualified candidate worthy of praise and respect (if not also cynicism and concern), and the other you have a rampant ####### of quite literally historic proportions.  

So, what's ridiculous again?

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I try to refrain from comments like this, but... ARE YOU STUPID?

Or just lazy?

Read my post again, then tell me about my view on people that don't VOTE for Hillary. 'Cause I'm going to be one of them.  Doesn't mean I need to vilify the candidate I won't vote for. Well, at least not the racist, demagogic narcissist.  As a non-Hillary voter, and someone that honestly does NOT like her and has huge reservations about her policy decisions, it's clear that between the two main parties, you have one legitimate qualified candidate worthy of praise and respect (if not also cynicism and concern), and the other you have a rampant ####### of quite literally historic proportions.  

So, what's ridiculous again?

Your post and this quote from you....

"When you feed into a two decades old effort to undercut Hillary, you are part of the problem, not the solution."

 

[Koya]

One other part of my rationale was to get the Green party to 5% in a state wide election so that in MN they would be eligible for a political donation option on state income tax forms (which did happen). 

Great point.  These weak ### people who claim a third party vote is a waste need to actually think beyond the surface of the issue.  

Now, if you are in a swing state and the issue is "every last vote to prevent a Trump Presidency is needed" then I can understand the rationale.  But for those in safe states on either side, there is a lot of good that can happen by promoting ideas outside of the two 800000000 lb gorillas in the room.  Which is why I will proudly be voting Libertarian, again, this election.

But if I lived in Ohio, or Florida? I'd need to think long and hard and, likely, swallow hard before making the final choice.

 

[[scooter]]

The fact that you are not alarmed by this makes me want to cancel my subscription.

Please leave then. For everyone's sake. Reinforce the stereotypical liberal and run to your safe space, far from here.

'MERICA! LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT MAN!

:speakingofstereotypical:

 

[Koya]

Your post and this quote from you....

"When you feed into a two decades old effort to undercut Hillary, you are part of the problem, not the solution."

This crap that those that don't vote for Hillary are part of the problem has to stop. It's ridiculous.

Read your comments again, then come back to me on this one.  Feeding into the bull#### negative character assassination <> not voting for her.

 

[Koya]

'MERICA! LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT MAN!

:speakingofstereotypical:

You are going to not do business with a fantasy football information provider because he's not alarmed by things that concern you?

Really? To quote the Pres, Come On, Man. 

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Read your comments again, then come back to me on this one.  Feeding into the bull#### negative character assassination <> not voting for her.

Guess what....Hillary and her actions over the years are the reason people don't like her. It is her fault and those that don't like her aren't part of the problem. Plenty of people have also said that if you don't vote for her then you're part of the problem.

 

[squistion]

Tim still hasn't answered why he's against citizens united. That's one thing I've noticed with him many times. When he doesn't have an answer, he just won't reply. He knows people will forget and go on like he wasn't just backed into a corner.

Oh, so Tim is just like MOP and HellToupee?

IIRC Tim has commented on several occasions as to why he is against Citizens United. I don't recall his exact reasoning and I don't want to speak for him in that while I am also against it, my reasons may not be exactly the same as his (that big money interests could buy elections). However he has articulated his position on this in the past and from my experience he doesn't generally run away from an answer and/or ignore it - so I expect he will respond at some point on this.

 

[Koya]

1. Guess what....Hillary and her actions over the years are the reason people don't like her. It is her fault and those that don't like her aren't part of the problem.

2. Plenty of people have also said that if you don't vote for her then you're part of the problem.

1. We can disagree on this matter, but it has NOTHING to do with your comments toward me. Why?

2. Because "plenty of people" is not ME - you know, the personto whom you replied.  I'm a NON HILLARY VOTER calling all of you on this bull####.  And I can at least understand why folks on your side of the aisle would want to promote unbridled hatred and unfair character assassination to further your personal political agendas.  I mean, it's base, demeaning, hurts our nation and is rooted in a partisan selfishness that is destructure to the nation, but at least I can "understand" the motivation. Selfish as it many be. I don't have to respect it, but I certainly understand it.  

However, when those who claim to believe in what Bernie stood for begin to do the same - and this was my point toward @David Dodds, well, they best look in the mirror in a quiet reflective moment and recognized that they may very well have become unwitting tools of those like you who have, very successfully, painted Hillary as a caricature of evil.  In my opinion, they've been duped, fooled and co-opted as active yet unaware participants in hurting the very causes they claim to support. Why do I say this with such authority (understanding it's NOT the same for everyone, we each have our own perspective and set of experiences)? BECAUSE EVEN AS A NON HILLARY SUPPORTER, THAT WAS ME LOOKING IN THE MIRROR A FEW MONTHS AGO. I'd been co-opted too, and it felt dirty. I'd been used, and had no one to blame for myself. Since then I've been clear. I'm still voting Libertarian, but if I were in a swing state, that may not be the case because I had to rise above the bull#### I myself bought into, bull#### fed to me not by those who support my world view, but those who wish to destroy much of what I believe in. Liberty. Equality. Freedom. Not for some, for all.  It was a difficult realization to come to, but an important personal pivot, and if I can convince someone not to change their mind, but just take that same hard look in the mirror that I, myself, did, knowing the heart and soul of these people, I believe they may come to a similar conclusion as did I, and change their behavior accordingly.  It's only our nation as we know it that relies on it, right? 

Regardless, your comment about those who say people not voting for Hillary is, well, worthless considering the person you commented toward is not voting for Hillary himself.  

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Oh, so Tim is just like MOP and HellToupee?

IIRC Tim has commented on several occasions as to why he is against Citizens United. I don't recall his exact reasoning and I don't want to speak for him in that while I am also against it, my reasons may not be exactly the same as his (that big money interests could buy elections). However he has articulated his position on this in the past and from my experience he doesn't generally run away from an answer and/or ignore it - so I expect he will respond at some point on this.

I think it is a fair and correct position to take and one I share.  Big money interests have way too much influence in our politics.  They simply wouldn't be spending the ridiculous amounts of money they do if it wasn't for their benefit.

However, the contradiction in having this opinion but ignoring 100% of the instances where they attempt to influence Hillary is where people get frustrated with Tim.

 

[ShamrockPride]

'MERICA! LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT MAN!

:speakingofstereotypical:

You seem mad bro. You're also false. I'm pretty far from stereotypical according to either philosophy of the big 2 parties. I find logic in and support both parties (amongst others) depending on the issue. I have the common sense to understand that neither party is right on everything...a view I see sorely lacking from most people on this board and the population in general.

 

[[scooter]]

'MERICA! LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT MAN!

:speakingofstereotypical:

You are going to not do business with a fantasy football information provider because he's not alarmed by things that concern you?

Really? To quote the Pres, Come On, Man. 

Wait, you thought I was a subscriber?

 

[Koya]

Wait, you thought I was a subscriber?

I read your comment as such, or if not, suggestion if you were then this would be reason not to. Was I wrong in that reading?

Regardless, the two are not in any way attached, at least not from what I've seen from @David Dodds 's comments.  #### we are becoming so ###### splintered. And that's exactly what Trump feeds off of... regardless which side you stand on. 

 

[[scooter]]

Wait, you thought I was a subscriber?

I read your comment as such, or if not, suggestion if you were then this would be reason not to. Was I wrong in that reading?

Regardless, the two are not in any way attached, at least not from what I've seen from @David Dodds 's comments.  #### we are becoming so ###### splintered. And that's exactly what Trump feeds off of... regardless which side you stand on. 

I just thought it was interesting that Dodds was so willing to associate himself with Trump supporters. You never see Joe Bryant stirring up controversy. Most businesses try to avoid political commentary.

 

[timschochet]

Tim still hasn't answered why he's against citizens united. That's one thing I've noticed with him many times. When he doesn't have an answer, he just won't reply. He knows people will forget and go on like he wasn't just backed into a corner.

Sorry. I missed this the first time. 

The truth is I'm not sure I'm against it. I go back and forth. I ageee with the decision on principle but at the same time I think reasonable controls on campaign contributions make some sense. 

I certainly don't agree with the Sanders fans that corporate influence is destroying, or even necessarily harming, our political system. The nomination of Donald Trump over several candidates preferred by the Koch brothers should be proof that this isn't the case. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I just thought it was interesting that Dodds was so willing to associate himself with Trump supporters. You never see Joe Bryant stirring up controversy. Most businesses try to avoid political commentary.

Dodds isn't associating himself with Trump supporters.  That's your problem (and many others) on this forum.  Anyone that attacks Hillary is automatically painted as a Trump supporter.  You guys need to go chill out and smoke some weed.  

 

[timschochet]

Dodds isn't associating himself with Trump supporters.  That's your problem (and many others) on this forum.  Anyone that attacks Hillary is automatically painted as a Trump supporter.  You guys need to go chill out and smoke some weed.  

 it's not that Dodds is attacking Hillary. It's that in doing so he's making absurd conspiracy theory nonsensical comments. That's the part that makes him sound like a Trump supporter. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

 it's not that Dodds is attacking Hillary. It's that in doing so he's making absurd conspiracy theory nonsensical comments. That's the part that makes him sound like a Trump supporter. 

No he's not.  You're just too naive to see anything critical about her.  We've been through this a million times and you're never going to change so there's no use even engaging you about it.  So go ahead and keep attacking those with differing opinions and calling them Trump supporters or whatever other cute names you guys have.

 

[cstu]

When I look at the crowd of a Trump rally, I don't see anger that the system is not working for them. I see anger that the system is working for other people.

It's been stated by Republicans here that Trump supporters are wealthier than Hillary supporters - so how is the system not working for them?

 

[The Commish]

There's nothing immoral about using FACTS about your opponent against them.

who said there was?   

I am absolutely, 100% confident you guys would have bashed her had she chosen to go down this path as a racist and bigot.

 

[cstu]

I think the USA has lost because the people in power have made this to be Democrats vs Republicans.  That's pretty much a joke at this point.  The curtain unveiled shows these organizations to be very similar from where I sit.  Big money runs this country.  The president is merely a puppet to try and appease the minions.  But in propping up a hated HRC, big money might end up with something even they don't like.  A President that no one can stand.  

The crowds attending Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders rallies show where the real pulse of this country is at.  They are fed up with the status quo of politicians talk and no action.  Her team will continue to work to keep the 1% fed (and her paid) while she talks out of both sides of her mouth.  At some point, the people will say screw this Oligarchy.  It's not working for me.  In that way, this election cycle has won in a big way.  The people hate both of these candidates.  I am solidly in that camp.

I don't see healing after HRC wins.  Too many people hate her.  And as more leaks of pay-to-play politics, criminal wrong-doing pushed under the carpet keep surfacing, she will have no mandate in anything she wants to do. 

Only 10% of whites are in poverty and the poverty rate of 24% (in 2015) for black was the lowest in history.

Poverty rates for blacks and Hispanics greatly exceed the national average. In 2014, 26.2 percent of blacks and 23.6 percent of Hispanics were poor, compared to 10.1 percent of non-Hispanic whites and 12 percent of Asians.

In other words, something is working.  The question is how to make it work better and I don't see Republican policies doing that.

 

[[scooter]]

I just thought it was interesting that Dodds was so willing to associate himself with Trump supporters. You never see Joe Bryant stirring up controversy. Most businesses try to avoid political commentary.

Dodds isn't associating himself with Trump supporters.  That's your problem (and many others) on this forum.  Anyone that attacks Hillary is automatically painted as a Trump supporter.  You guys need to go chill out and smoke some weed.  

Dodds said he was solidly in the camp of angry Trump and Sanders supporters, and he also said that the "real pulse" of the country could be found at a Trump rally. Seemed like a weird thing for the owner of the 13th most popular fantasy football website to be saying.

 

[The Commish]

I suspect this is correct and that's disgusting.  If you strip away all the  on this topic you're left with the following.  Had Hillary decided this was a viable position, she probably would have used it.  She did / had the research done to see if it made sense to go that path.  You don't do that sort of work and research if you aren't thinking about going that path.  Trump, as usual, went with the  to the public.  Clearly, he too was ok with going that path, but he didn't seem to care if it'd work or not.  That's the difference in those two.  If you think this allows for a moral high ground, that's a problem with your bar.  This IS an example of restraint, but not because of some moral reason.  It's because she understood that it wouldn't help her.

This is a good point, but restraint and judgement are as important, if not more important, than moral reasoning, as traits for presidential candidates.   Trump has to be the worst candidate ever as to the former.

Agree that judgment and restraint are important.  For me, morals are above them and help drive judgment and restraint.  She should be credited for good judgment here.  It's one of her high points in that area.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Dodds said he was solidly in the camp of angry Trump and Sanders supporters, and he also said that the "real pulse" of the country could be found at a Trump rally. Seemed like a weird thing for the owner of the 13th most popular fantasy football website to be saying.

So Tim, or whoever, missed the "and Sanders" part.  Dodds also said he was writing in Sanders.  He's not voting for Trump so he's clearly not a Trump supporter.  Same with many of us.  

 

[ShamrockPride]

Dodds said he was solidly in the camp of angry Trump and Sanders supporters, and he also said that the "real pulse" of the country could be found at a Trump rally. Seemed like a weird thing for the owner of the 13th most popular fantasy football website to be saying.

What is weird about it? That his opinion differs from yours? Clearly there is a large % of people who feel that way throughout the nation, regardless if Dodds includes himself in that or not. Either way, it's his right as site owner. Just as it is for you to leave the site due to difference of opinion as you threatened a page ago.

 

[squistion]

Sorry. I missed this the first time. 

The truth is I'm not sure I'm against it. I go back and forth. I ageee with the decision on principle but at the same time I think reasonable controls on campaign contributions make some sense. 

I certainly don't agree with the Sanders fans that corporate influence is destroying, or even necessarily harming, our political system. The nomination of Donald Trump over several candidates preferred by the Koch brothers should be proof that this isn't the case. 

No it isn't. Trump was able to generate more free publicity than even the Koch's could buy. But Trump is a unique phenomena - I don't think we will ever see another reality star who has almost 100% name recognition be able to make a serious run for the presidency. In my mind this certainly doesn't disprove any of the worries or concerns about Citizens United.

 

[timschochet]

The fact that a billionaire got nominated is proof that money doesn't matter?

Sure. He spent no money. Look at how much Jeb spent.