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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (4 Viewers)

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[scooter] said:
:shrug: Dodds said he was solidly in the camp of angry Trump and Sanders supporters, and he also said that the "real pulse" of the country could be found at a Trump rally. Seemed like a weird thing for the owner of the 13th most popular fantasy football website to be saying.
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Also, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and act like you didn't purposefully misquote him. For your reference, here is what he wrote, so you can correct yourself:

The crowds attending Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders rallies show where the real pulse of this country is at.  They are fed up with the status quo of politicians talk and no action.  Her team will continue to work to keep the 1% fed (and her paid) while she talks out of both sides of her mouth.  At some point, the people will say screw this Oligarchy.  It's not working for me.  In that way, this election cycle has won in a big way.  The people hate both of these candidates.  I am solidly in that camp.
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He is solidly in the camp that hates both candidates. You should pay more attention to what you read next time.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
So Tim, or whoever, missed the "and Sanders" part.  Dodds also said he was writing in Sanders.  He's not voting for Trump so he's clearly not a Trump supporter.  Same with many of us.  
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I didn't miss anything. Dodds wrote that once in office Hillary will use the the power of the NSA to destroy her enemies. That's crazy conspiratorial talk, and it's just as likely to come from a Bernie fan as it is a Trump supporter. Both guys encouraged this sort of nonsense. 

 
timschochet said:
I didn't miss anything. Dodds wrote that once in office Hillary will use the the power of the NSA to destroy her enemies. That's crazy conspiratorial talk, and it's just as likely to come from a Bernie fan as it is a Trump supporter. Both guys encouraged this sort of nonsense. 
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Are you really going to act like presidents haven't used federal agencies for their personal benefits before?

 
timschochet said:
I didn't miss anything. Dodds wrote that once in office Hillary will use the the power of the NSA to destroy her enemies. That's crazy conspiratorial talk, and it's just as likely to come from a Bernie fan as it is a Trump supporter. Both guys encouraged this sort of nonsense. 
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1. Quote where he says that.

2. You don't understand what 'conspiracy' means.

 
ShamrockPride said:
[scooter] said:
:shrug: Dodds said he was solidly in the camp of angry Trump and Sanders supporters, and he also said that the "real pulse" of the country could be found at a Trump rally. Seemed like a weird thing for the owner of the 13th most popular fantasy football website to be saying.
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What is weird about it? That his opinion differs from yours? Clearly there is a large % of people who feel that way throughout the nation, regardless if Dodds includes himself in that or not. Either way, it's his right as site owner. Just as it is for you to leave the site due to difference of opinion as you threatened a page ago.
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I didn't threaten to leave the site. I threatened to cancel my nonexistent subscription. Keep up.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
"Dodds wrote that once in office Hillary will use the the power of the NSA to destroy her enemies"

1. Quote where he says that.

2. You don't understand what 'conspiracy' means.
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"The media's job was to ensure a Democrat win.  and now with Hillary controlling the NSA, no candidate stands a chance to ever defeat her regardless of how bad she is as President.  She will make sure to crush any foes using all the power the NSA can muster (and that's pretty powerful seeing how they forced Yahoo and others through court order to have all emails go through the NSA computers"

 
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I like hearing from the guys that run the site about their personal opinions, whether I agree with them or not. Perhaps that's just me. I'm glad that he wrote what he thought. I think he is an intelligent person, and though sometimes specialization in one field doesn't mean that one is an expert or insightful in another, it was good to get a perspective, anyway. 

I don't see the problem with what David Dodds posted. At all. And I'm certainly no Sanders or Trump fan.  

 
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As a matter of fact, I think it was somebody pointing out that when Sigmund Bloom used to post here, he used the term "rat####er," which means when a party supports the opposition party's extreme candidate in the primary so that they may benefit in the general. 

I think hearing stuff like that from intelligent people is a good thing, as it adds to the body of knowledge of the board and my own personal knowledge.  

 
Abraham said:
I don't care that she took money for speeches. I don't know why anyone does   Speaking at Goldman for a zillion dollars doesn't make her a puppet.  It makes her a vendor.
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The speeches, and specifically the speech content, are irrelevant. I assume the gist of her message paralleled "How 'bout them Cowboys!?" A better question would be, what if they paid her the same money for no speech at all? Maybe call it speech laundering.

ETAsk: If she's a vendor, what is she selling?

 
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squistion said:
And he has a picture of her with Ellen. Gee, I wonder what he could be suggesting...
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My perfect outcome is Hillary elected, then driven out on a rail.  So as long as Trump is safely in his cage, I'm happy for her to get some claw marks.  To me, whether she's a Lesbian or not has no effect.  It would reenforce the perception that she exists of a foundation of lies though and make the coming calls for hearings and impeachment all the louder.  

 
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Joy ReidVerified account ‏@JoyAnnReid 17m17 minutes ago

This.  At this point it's the most important question to be asked.

Toni Monkovic‏@MonkovicNYT 3h3 hours ago

If Chris Wallace doesn't ask, "Will you respect the results of the election?"

and then follow up aggressively, the debate will be a farce.
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squistion said:
Joy ReidVerified account ‏@JoyAnnReid 17m17 minutes ago

This.  At this point it's the most important question to be asked.

Toni Monkovic‏@MonkovicNYT 3h3 hours ago

If Chris Wallace doesn't ask, "Will you respect the results of the election?"

and then follow up aggressively, the debate will be a farce.
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You could post something less interesting, but it would be hard to justify the effort. Diminishing returns and all that.

 
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timschochet said:
I didn't miss anything. Dodds wrote that once in office Hillary will use the the power of the NSA to destroy her enemies. That's crazy conspiratorial talk, and it's just as likely to come from a Bernie fan as it is a Trump supporter. Both guys encouraged this sort of nonsense. 
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Dodds is right. Hillary is deadly for friends and foes alike.

 
Mr. Ham said:
My perfect outcome is Hillary elected, then driven out on a rail.  So as long as Trump is safely in his cage, I'm happy for her to get some claw marks.  To me, whether she's a Lesbian or not has no effect.  It would reenforce the perception that she exists of a foundation of lies though and make the coming calls for hearings and impeachment all the louder.  
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I have nothing against a lesbian potus but who would want to think about Hillary grabbing kittens?

 
It's depressing to read what Dodds speculated about Clinton and the NSA, and it's depressing to see people from both sides agree with him. We have plenty right now to be concerned about as a country, particularly the worst and ugliest campaign in modern history unfolding before our eyes. But this (the NSA stuff) is a misplaced, dare I say paranoid fear. 

 
timschochet said:
Sorry. I missed this the first time. 

The truth is I'm not sure I'm against it. I go back and forth. I ageee with the decision on principle but at the same time I think reasonable controls on campaign contributions make some sense.
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Your "but at the same time" should instead be "and at the same time." Citizens United was not about campaign contributions, so there's no tension between agreeing with the decision while also advocating for whatever restrictions on campaign contributions you think are appropriate.

On Citizens United, I'm pretty much exactly in line with the ACLU. Special-interest money in politics is a problem, but banning political speech is the opposite of a good solution.

 
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timschochet said:
It's depressing to read what Dodds speculated about Clinton and the NSA, and it's depressing to see people from both sides agree with him. We have plenty right now to be concerned about as a country, particularly the worst and ugliest campaign in modern history unfolding before our eyes. But this (the NSA stuff) is a misplaced, dare I say paranoid fear. 
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I feel the same when people speculate that Hillary will be a good President.

 
timschochet said:
It's depressing to read what Dodds speculated about Clinton and the NSA, and it's depressing to see people from both sides agree with him. We have plenty right now to be concerned about as a country, particularly the worst and ugliest campaign in modern history unfolding before our eyes. But this (the NSA stuff) is a misplaced, dare I say paranoid fear. 
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If this message board makes you depressed I suggest walking away for a while.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Your "but at the same time" should instead be "and at the same time." Citizens United was not about campaign contributions, so there's no tension between agreeing with the decision while also advocating for whatever restrictions on campaign contributions you think are appropriate.

On Citizens United, I'm pretty much exactly in line with the ACLU. Special interest money in politics is a problem, but banning political speech is the opposite of a good solution.
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Tim doesn't actually understand the facts or holdings of the CU decision and he doesn't understand why he wants it overturned. I think he thinks it makes Hillary more popular with some voters that's why he supports it.

 
rockaction said:
I like hearing from the guys that run the site about their personal opinions, whether I agree with them or not. Perhaps that's just me. I'm glad that he wrote what he thought. I think he is an intelligent person, and though sometimes specialization in one field doesn't mean that one is an expert or insightful in another, it was good to get a perspective, anyway. 

I don't see the problem with what David Dodds posted. At all. And I'm certainly no Sanders or Trump fan.  
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While I agree with him a lot politically, what I need from @David Dodds right now is 1 RB and 1 WR that I can pick up off the WW in most decent $ redrafts who can evolve into season long starters sooner or later.

Yes, a shameless self-gratifying beg for information. And I'm a subscriber, I can only hope that helps.

 
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Haven't checked in here in a while.  Are the Hilary supporters still denying all facts about what she's done like they don't exist?  They're all just made up.  

 
timschochet said:
It's depressing to read what Dodds speculated about Clinton and the NSA, and it's depressing to see people from both sides agree with him. We have plenty right now to be concerned about as a country, particularly the worst and ugliest campaign in modern history unfolding before our eyes. But this (the NSA stuff) is a misplaced, dare I say paranoid fear. 
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IRS says hi!

 
Mister CIA said:
The speeches, and specifically the speech content, are irrelevant. I assume the gist of her message paralleled "How 'bout them Cowboys!?" A better question would be, what if they paid her the same money for no speech at all? Maybe call it speech laundering.

ETAsk: If she's a vendor, what is she selling?
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She sold access, influence and future political favors.  

 
timschochet said:
It's depressing to read what Dodds speculated about Clinton and the NSA, and it's depressing to see people from both sides agree with him. We have plenty right now to be concerned about as a country, particularly the worst and ugliest campaign in modern history unfolding before our eyes. But this (the NSA stuff) is a misplaced, dare I say paranoid fear. 
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Tim, the gov't oversteps their boundaries all the time.  I used to work in DC in some of these agencies and they never followed the rules when it was convenient for them.  It's not run like you think it is.  This isn't a knock on Clinton, Obama, Bush, or Slick Willie Clinton.  They all did it in their own way from my view.  DD is right.  Hillary will do whatever is best for Hillary's checkbook and to give her power.  I totally understand if you like her more than Trump but that doesn't make her an honest, hard-working, politician that cares about our country.  Sorry, maybe she'll work out the way your wish though because we're all gonna find out.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Tim, the gov't oversteps their boundaries all the time.  I used to work in DC in some of these agencies and they never followed the rules when it was convenient for them.  It's not run like you think it is.  This isn't a knock on Clinton, Obama, Bush, or Slick Willie Clinton.  They all did it in their own way from my view.  DD is right.  Hillary will do whatever is best for Hillary's checkbook and to give her power.  I totally understand if you like her more than Trump but that doesn't make her an honest, hard-working, politician that cares about our country.  Sorry, maybe she'll work out the way your wish though because we're all gonna find out.
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I absolutely agree that the government oversteps its boundaries. But it rarely does so in a centralized deliberate fashion- when the government commits intrusion and wrongful acts it's usually because there's nobody good in charge, and things are out of anyone's control- which in a way is even more frightening than a scheming leader holding the reins. 

 
timschochet said:
I absolutely agree that the government oversteps its boundaries. But it rarely does so in a centralized deliberate fashion- when the government commits intrusion and wrongful acts it's usually because there's nobody good in charge, and things are out of anyone's control- which in a way is even more frightening than a scheming leader holding the reins. 
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I've personally seen Obama direct instructions to someone in my management chain to intentionally overstep boundaries (or better yet break the law the shut up about it).  I am pretty sure you consider Obama to be "good" so you're wrong again.  They all overstep their power.  I wish I could post details but way too many crazies on this board to do that so if that discounts my post then so be it.  The "system" has become so corrupt over the years which was one reason I supported Sanders (and was open to Trump initially) despite thinking some of his proposals were crazy.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Tim doesn't actually understand the facts or holdings of the CU decision and he doesn't understand why he wants it overturned. I think he thinks it makes Hillary more popular with some voters that's why he supports it.
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I've always been against the whole personhood for corporations thing, so Citizens United is odious and worthy of overturning.

 
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