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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

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squistion said:
Joy Reid ‏@JoyAnnReid 15m15 minutes ago

Sorry but even if they are authentic and untampered with, the Clinton Wikileaks

are proving to be the most boring October surprise ever.
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Were you expecting tabloid dirt?  It is interesting read on the inner workings.  People who make shady deals usual cover their tracks by talking in code, so it is not always easy to get what is being discussed.

 
Gr00vus said:
I've always been against the whole personhood for corporations thing, so Citizens United is odious and worthy of overturning.
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Oh there's a conversation to be had for sure, I was just referring to Tim's POV, his concept of Hillary and politics and overturning CU are at odds IMO.

 
Hold the phone, there's news of a possible revelation of a deal between State and DOJ/FBI for reclassification of some emails. Out  :banned: at a crappy tourist bar so I'll post an update when possible.

 
Rohn Jambo said:
Were you expecting tabloid dirt?  It is interesting read on the inner workings.  People who make shady deals usual cover their tracks by talking in code, so it is not always easy to get what is being discussed.
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Why would anyone talk in code in emails that are supposed to be private? 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Well that was sort of the point of my OP to MT, at least as far as the Citizens United discussion is concerned.
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I know, but it seems folks keep getting sucked in and asking what Tim thinks, seeking clarification.  Like, hasn't he done enough that it doesn't matter at some point?  He's a dishonest shill who's proven to be absent an original thought, regurgitating or, worse, plagiarizing HRC talking points.  

 
cobalt_27 said:
I know, but it seems folks keep getting sucked in and asking what Tim thinks, seeking clarification.  Like, hasn't he done enough that it doesn't matter at some point?  He's a dishonest shill who's proven to be absent an original thought, regurgitating or, worse, plagiarizing HRC talking points.  
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For someone who doesn't care what I think, you sure spend a lot of time commenting on it. The best (worst?) was when you called my ideas more dangerous than Trump's. 

 
Saints, I honestly don't think I'm in favor of overturning Citizens United. Undecided, but leaning in that direction. 

Earlier in this election cycle, I made the point to some Bernie fans that if they wanted to overturn it the best way was to see more progressive SC justices, which means Hillary. I still think that's true regardless of my own views on the subject. 

 
bananafish said:
Just thought I'd mention it since we like to throw around the idea that nobody ever changes their mind due to postings on this board. I think it probably happens more than is admitted to.
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I've changed my mind on abortion due to thoughtful postings on a message board. It was about enforcement and evidence gathering.

 
[scooter] said:
The fact that you are not alarmed by this makes me want to cancel my subscription.
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He doesn't have to be alarmed by this, he was just stating a fact.  There is literally zero enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton.  

Trump holds an event and they have to turn people away because it's so packed.  He had 10k at least the other night on 2 days notice in Cincinnati.  It would take Clinton a week to get that many supporters. 

 
Widbil83 said:
He doesn't have to be alarmed by this, he was just stating a fact.  There is literally zero enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton.  

Trump holds an event and they have to turn people away because it's so packed.  He had 10k at least the other night on 2 days notice in Cincinnati.  It would take Clinton a week to get that many supporters. 
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Check out the latest polls from Fox and ABC. The enthusiasm gap has closed and Hillary has a slight lead. Trump still has a lead over Hillary among fanatics. Clinton supporters tend to volunteer for phone banks and watch SNL skits, instead of going to warped revivals.

 
If you think free-trade is good for the country but if you say so you lose and the country backtracks what are you to do?

Isn't that the dilemma of politics in a nutshell in many instances?

Is this really news to anyone?

This is how the sausage is made.

You say you want to close Gitmo but you know you really can't.  Plus everyone doesn't really want you too deep down.

This is politics.  If you get a hold of any politician's private email it will expose the same stuff.  Scandal?  This is obvious.

 
timschochet said:
For someone who doesn't care what I think, you sure spend a lot of time commenting on it. The best (worst?) was when you called my ideas more dangerous than Trump's. 
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I imagine you're the guy in a movie theater who runs his mouth constantly during the show, gets berated and told to shut up and yet...walks out smiling because others were paying attention to you and commenting on what you were saying.  The narcissism and need for attention runs that deep.   

And, yes, when you aren't plagiarizing your takes lifting them directly from other commentators and promoting them as your own  (which has been a long-standing complaint here, I think there was even a thread about your plagiarism history as far back as  4-5 years ago), your original ideas and behavior in these threads exceeds the dooshbagery seen in the Trump threads.  By far.

Squiz quoted you, so I'm responding to that, lest you accuse me of lifting the ignore status.

 
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Daywalker said:
If you think free-trade is good for the country but if you say so you lose and the country backtracks what are you to do?

Isn't that the dilemma of politics in a nutshell in many instances?

Is this really news to anyone?

This is how the sausage is made.

You say you want to close Gitmo but you know you really can't.  Plus everyone doesn't really want you too deep down.

This is politics.  If you get a hold of any politician's private email it will expose the same stuff.  Scandal?  This is obvious.
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:goodposting:

 
Widbil83 said:
He doesn't have to be alarmed by this, he was just stating a fact.  There is literally zero enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton.  

Trump holds an event and they have to turn people away because it's so packed.  He had 10k at least the other night on 2 days notice in Cincinnati.  It would take Clinton a week to get that many supporters. 
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Trump events are a traveling carnival and 10k out of a city of 300k is nothing.

I have no interest in seeing Hillary speak live but I trust her to execute the office of the President.

 
timschochet said:
It's depressing to read what Dodds speculated about Clinton and the NSA, and it's depressing to see people from both sides agree with him. We have plenty right now to be concerned about as a country, particularly the worst and ugliest campaign in modern history unfolding before our eyes. But this (the NSA stuff) is a misplaced, dare I say paranoid fear. 
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You apparently have no clue how the government you waste so much time talking about actually works

 
On This Week with Stephonipolous, "Hillary's emails are a really big deal etc." Up next. David Patreus. Wow. Spiked my irony meter. 

 
timschochet said:
For someone who doesn't care what I think, you sure spend a lot of time commenting on it. The best (worst?) was when you called my ideas more dangerous than Trump's. 
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Actually, your ideas are more dangerous than Trump's.  Your idea that government should be empowered and trusted and that there needs to be limits on the transparency of government and that politicians need protections from citizens, is a blueprint for certain disaster.  The only honest government is one which is open and transparent and has accountability and IMHO a government whose power is strictly limited to well defined functions.  

 
Widbil83 said:
There is literally zero enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton.
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Maybe, but there seems to be lots of building enthusiasm for riding Hillary's, or if you prefer the anti Trump vote coattails for the Senate, the House, state and local races.  I still think the "first women" enthusiasm will emerge to be bigger on and after election day than it will be before.   

 
timschochet said:
For someone who doesn't care what I think, you sure spend a lot of time commenting on it. The best (worst?) was when you called my ideas more dangerous than Trump's. 
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Not privy to the specific comments he was talking about.  I will say, that on my personal scale of right/wrong, the misogyny and various phobias Trump appears to be advocating are on par with (note:  not necessarily EXACTLY the same) as wanting the people to be uninterested in our government leaving our politicians to do as they see fit since they know better than all of us.  I'm sure there is a German overlord that would support this philosophy 100%  You don't appear to be nearly as different from Trump as you think you are.

 
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
Maybe, but there seems to be lots of building enthusiasm for riding Hillary's, or if you prefer the anti Trump vote coattails for the Senate, the House, state and local races.  I still think the "first women" enthusiasm will emerge to be bigger on and after election day than it will be before.   
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I disagree. You know Trump is going to be a huge sore loser about it, and the media will continue to focus way more on him because they know that Trump = ratings.  Clinton winning will be almost an afterthought. 

 
Widbil83 said:
He doesn't have to be alarmed by this, he was just stating a fact.  There is literally zero enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton.  

Trump holds an event and they have to turn people away because it's so packed.  He had 10k at least the other night on 2 days notice in Cincinnati.  It would take Clinton a week to get that many supporters. 
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You are literally wrong. At an October 10 rally at Columbus, Ohio.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/10/in-ohio-clinton-draws-what-appears-to-be-her-largest-crowd-to-date/

In Ohio, Clinton draws what appears to be her largest crowd to date

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Coming off the best stretch of her campaign, Hillary Clinton on Monday drew what appeared to be her largest crowd to date: 18,500 people, according to the U.S. Secret Service.

Some of the traveling press corps members who cover Clinton were skeptical of the figure, pegging it at closer to 10,000. But in any case, the rally at Ohio State University was more reminiscent of those put on by Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, Clinton’s rival during the primaries, than those of the Democratic nominee, who tends to stage more modest events aimed at getting television news coverage.

 

 
Commish and Jon mx, both of you misunderstand my ideas and underestimate the danger of Donald Trump. At least in my opinion. But we've discussed this at length before, and right now I must prepare my fantasy teams. 

 
timschochet said:
Commish and Jon mx, both of you misunderstand my ideas and underestimate the danger of Donald Trump. At least in my opinion. But we've discussed this at length before, and right now I must prepare my fantasy teams. 
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What are you gonna do, give them a pep talk?  Perhaps you could read them the first chapter of your book.  That will surely inspire them.  Seriously, do you spend more than 5 minutes setting your lineup?

 
jon_mx said:
What are you gonna do, give them a pep talk?  Perhaps you could read them the first chapter of your book.  That will surely inspire them.  Seriously, do you spend more than 5 minutes setting your lineup?
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Well against your team it was unnecessary. But I'm in more than one league. I do like your book idea...

 
Ghost Rider said:
I disagree. You know Trump is going to be a huge sore loser about it, and the media will continue to focus way more on him because they know that Trump = ratings.  Clinton winning will be almost an afterthought. 
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I'm not sure what media coverage will have to do with the enthusiasm of the first women president, especially for the women old enough to not take the inevitability of such an event for granted.  Maybe Trump's antics will dump some ice water on that enthusiasm.  Maybe we men will miss the expression of this enthusiams all together - we are men, but I think it will be there.

 
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
I'm not sure what media coverage will have to do with the enthusiasm of the first women president, especially for the women old enough to not take the inevitability of such an event for granted.  Maybe Trump's antics will dump some ice water on that enthusiasm.  Maybe we men will miss the expression of this enthusiams all together - we are men, but I think it will be there.
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My anecdotal experience is that most women under 50 or so don't particularly care a lot about the "first female president" thing -- like you said, for people younger than that, it's always been inevitable that we would have female presidents.

Besides, Hillary is strongly unpopular right out of the gate -- if it weren't for her opponent, she would be the most disliked candidate since pollsters tracked that sort of thing.  She's not going to enjoy the kind of honeymoon that Obama got. 

 
IvanKaramazov said:
My anecdotal experience is that most women under 50 or so don't particularly care a lot about the "first female president" thing -- like you said, for people younger than that, it's always been inevitable that we would have female presidents.

Besides, Hillary is strongly unpopular right out of the gate -- if it weren't for her opponent, she would be the most disliked candidate since pollsters tracked that sort of thing.  She's not going to enjoy the kind of honeymoon that Obama got. 
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Obama got a honeymoon? Right from the get-go Mitch McConnell said his goal was to make Obama a one term president.

 
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