Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (6 Viewers)

[Arsenal of Doom]

I continue to be underwhelmed by the email stuff. Other than making it clear that there needs to be a better interdepartmental government standard for this stuff, I don't find any of the revelations particularly shocking. If the idea is that she wanted to hide communications, anyone she emailed within the gov't would have those correspondences archived within the .gov domain anyway. Or she could presumably just pick up the phone since as far as I know gov't phone conversations aren't typically recorded and archived.

I could change my mind if it turns out that actual sensitive material was compromised (knowingly or unknowingly) but as of now it's mostly much ado about nothing IMO.

 

[Trey]

Type "Donald Trump ban" into yahoo or bing and the first result is bankruptcy. Type the same thing into Google and your first results are banner and banana. 

 

[cobalt_27]

Hillary's week, according to every political expert, has been nothing short of remarkable. Everything has gone right for her, and horribly wrong for Donald Trump. 

Yet, as usual, you'd never know it from reading this thread. In here she is only hours away from an indictment. It's just amazing. 

Tim, intellectual dishonesty does have a tendency to make reality an amazing, discordant and uncomfortable experience. Carry on with your propaganda campaign. You really have nothing left to offer. 

 

[ArbyMelt]

What'a amazing is you continue to refuse to admit the reality that both these candidates are terrible, each in their own way.

This. I just can't imagine anyone being excited about either of these candidates. I totally understand voting for Hillary as the anti-Trump vote, but how can anyone be all-in for a candidate who is an outright liar, a conniving ####, and the most corrupt individual to ever run for president, who would do and say anything to get elected. 

 

[matttyl]

Corporations pay to have this done I believe. Either you hire a consultant or vendor to alter the search results through constant repetition, or they register complaints with Google or they pay Google, not sure. Basically they scrub the system. I don't use Google anyway unless needed for something specific. That's just one reason.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that what they paid for was having a certain page be the first one that pops up if a certain search world or phrase is used.  I didn't think they could manipulate the auto-fill feature when typing in a search - especially when I'm sure "Hillary Clinton indictment" is being searched far more often than "Hillary Clinton India."

 

[Boston]

What's your thought process here?  The guy who wrote the column sells "Fauxcahontas" t-shirts on his website, which he plugs at the end of the column, and he calls her juvenile names and makes cringe-worthy Native American-themed jokes throughout.

Who do you think is gonna read something like that and take it seriously, other than people who already hate her?  Any decent human being is gonna read that and just think that Trump's media surrogates are just as juvenile and racially insensitive as he is.

Well the good news is his surrogates don't beat people up (usually) and wave the flag of a foreign country (never)...obviously someone like you will not take this seriously...you are ideologically driven and you will blindly support anyone who shares your views...if Chief Lizzie's Harvard Law application finally gets released and it is confirmed she lied about her heritage it would not matter to you...it is means to an ends and that is all that matters...anything else gets in the way of the ultimate goal of a liberal utopia...

 

[Boston]

"Donald Trump is a loud, nasty, thin-skinned fraud who has never risked anything for anyone and who serves no one except himself." 

And this differs from Hillary how?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that what they paid for was having a certain page be the first one that pops up if a certain search world or phrase is used.  I didn't think they could manipulate the auto-fill feature when typing in a search - especially when I'm sure "Hillary Clinton indictment" is being searched far more often than "Hillary Clinton India."

I think the ads are something else. It's a thing unto its own - and if anyone wants to correct me please do - but there are ways to mess with the algorithm, to manipulate it. This could be for anything, your product, your company, to get bad search results out of Google. There are also ways for people to attack others by manipulating google through searches.

Now whether Google can be paid to do this, like with the ads, I don't know. I thought they could, or maybe that's just urban legend or some old articles I read, or it's not something they talk about publicly, I don't know.

I know in Europe there is now a way to file a complaint with google to have search results taken out or have links not show up at all for certain search ter,ms. - I find this aspect very disturbing for free speech, but I am not sure if this is something that goes on here.

I find the subject interesting if anyone has any other thoughts...

 

[CBusAlex]

So Clinton has opened up a pretty consistent 4 point lead in the polls over the past couple weeks. This isn't a result of her numbers improving however, but of Donald's support collapsing back to the level it was at before he clinched the nomination. It will be interesting to see if this is a temporary dip caused by the whole "Mexican judge" fiasco, or if it actually represents his baseline support and his polling back in May was just a post-nomination bounce.

 

[cstu]

So Clinton has opened up a pretty consistent 4 point lead in the polls over the past couple weeks. This isn't a result of her numbers improving however, but of Donald's support collapsing back to the level it was at before he clinched the nomination. It will be interesting to see if this is a temporary dip caused by the whole "Mexican judge" fiasco, or if it actually represents his baseline support and his polling back in May was just a post-nomination bounce.

Trump U fraud ads haven't even aired yet. 

I know Trump thought running for President would be good for his brand but it's going to be quite the opposite.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I think the ads are something else. It's a thing unto its own - and if anyone wants to correct me please do - but there are ways to mess with the algorithm, to manipulate it. This could be for anything, your product, your company, to get bad search results out of Google. There are also ways for people to attack others by manipulating google through searches.

Now whether Google can be paid to do this, like with the ads, I don't know. I thought they could, or maybe that's just urban legend or some old articles I read, or it's not something they talk about publicly, I don't know.

I know in Europe there is now a way to file a complaint with google to have search results taken out or have links not show up at all for certain search ter,ms. - I find this aspect very disturbing for free speech, but I am not sure if this is something that goes on here.

I find the subject interesting if anyone has any other thoughts...

Search Engine Optimization (SEO). It's actually fairly easy to do. 

 

[matttyl]

Search Engine Optimization (SEO). It's actually fairly easy to do. 

So you'd think Trump would have found someone to do the same for him....

 

[Chadstroma]

Trump U fraud ads haven't even aired yet. 

I know Trump thought running for President would be good for his brand but it's going to be quite the opposite.

It's going to be uuuuuge.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So you'd think Trump would have found someone to do the same for him....

Ok, I'm all ears, how would something like this work if not for SEO or something similar? Are we saying someone at google is helping Hillary, like what we've seen at Facebook?

 

[Sweet J]

Name calling and saying Donald is thin skinned, has small hands and will kill everyone with nuclear weapons are not "facts". 

Sure.

Except for the small hands thing. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

"HAWHAW, Ok ok, right and then you'll tell me to delete my account.... yeah, it'll be great."

 

[matttyl]

Ok, I'm all ears, how would something like this work if not for SEO or something similar? Are we saying someone at google is helping Hillary, like what we've seen at Facebook?

What I'm really just asking - is if Clinton through "SEO" was able to get someone typing "Hillary Clinton ind" in Google to autofill "Hillary Clinton India" rather than "Hillary Clinton Indictment", fine I can buy that.  You hire someone who knows how to do that and it's done.  So why wouldn't Trump have done the same so that anyone searching "Donald Trump rac" in Google to autofill with "Donald Trump race" rather than all the hits that come up with something close to "Donal Trump racist"?

And again, does SEO affect both the autofill as well as the results that come up when searching something, or only the latter?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

What I'm really just asking - is if Clinton through "SEO" was able to get someone typing "Hillary Clinton ind" in Google to autofill "Hillary Clinton India" rather than "Hillary Clinton Indictment", fine I can buy that.  You hire someone who knows how to do that and it's done.  So why wouldn't Trump have done the same so that anyone searching "Donald Trump rac" in Google to autofill with "Donald Trump race" rather than all the hits that come up with something close to "Donal Trump racist"?

And again, does SEO affect both the autofill as well as the results that come up when searching something, or only the latter?

I don't know what is possible about SEO, I wouldn't mind learning, I was trying to figure out how what your link showed was happening came to be.

As for Donald - this is a guy who - not kidding - has his former caddie and golf club manager directing his social media. The man has none of the apparatus that a modern political campaign has. If such a thing can be done through SEO, then Donald is probably a bad false-positive to compare because he has no clue or inclination about doing it himself.

 

[Sand]

Yeah I guess, but it seems like there's a 38-40% floor for any Dem or GOP candidate, which means once you add in the undecideds it's hard to have more than 10-12 point lead.  Obviously anything showing it remotely close is concerning though, considering what we're dealing with.

Here's the Obama endorsement BTW.  He's still got net positive approval ratings, unlike the two presumptive nominees, so you gotta think this helps a little. Same will obviously be true of the Sanders endorsement.

That's one of the most unenthusiastic endorsements I've seen.  You can tell he wants to bolt from the room.

 

[Parrothead]

That's one of the most unenthusiastic endorsements I've seen.  You can tell he wants to bolt from the room.

it's the look of someone who knows they just made a deal with the devil

 

[matttyl]

I don't know what is possible about SEO, I wouldn't mind learning, I was trying to figure out how what your link showed was happening came to be.

As for Donald - this is a guy who - not kidding - has his former caddie and golf club manager directing his social media. The man has none of the apparatus that a modern political campaign has. If such a thing can be done through SEO, then Donald is probably a bad false-positive to compare because he has no clue or inclination about doing it himself.

Someone in Trump's camp was smart enough to get Jeb Bush's website to direct people to his own website.  They aren't totally computer illiterate. 

 

[TobiasFunke]

That's one of the most unenthusiastic endorsements I've seen.  You can tell he wants to bolt from the room.

You must have been living in a cave for the last month, then.  There's been at least a hundred far less enthusiastic endorsements of the other presumptive nominee for president.  Many of them can't even bring themselves to speak his name while endorsing him, referring to him instead as "the nominee."

 

[dutch]

He knows he's screwed. Going to have to fire the Director of the FBI, which will only make things worse for Hillary.

Yeah, that's gonna happen.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

"Donald Trump is a loud, nasty, thin-skinned fraud who has never risked anything for anyone and who serves no one except himself." 

Btw same guy who turned to Bill Clinton for advice just before running for president. These people used to be friends. He's a donor to their Foundation.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Yankee your post was long, very well written, and completely off point. Of course Hillary is well qualified to be President. I called her the most qualified in modern times. But Obama's statement was political, nothing more. You make way too much of it IMO.

As soon as the words left Obama's lips you began to parrot it here and condescendingly slap away anyone who dared disagree but Y23F is the one making too much of it?

 

[timschochet]

Tim, intellectual dishonesty does have a tendency to make reality an amazing, discordant and uncomfortable experience. Carry on with your propaganda campaign. You really have nothing left to offer. 

lol. 

There are people in this thread who accuse Hillary of mass murder on a regular basis. There is a guy going around calling her the one true bigot in the race. There is one guy who claims that Obama is going to have to fire James Comey, and many others who loudly claim "the fix is in". 

Not one comment from you about any of these folks. And yet when I offer anything positive about Hillary you accuse me of intellectual dishonesty and carrying on a propaganda campaign. Just too funny. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Someone in Trump's camp was smart enough to get Jeb Bush's website to direct people to his own website.  They aren't totally computer illiterate. 

Yeah good point.

 

[timschochet]

As soon as the words left Obama's lips you began to parrot it here and condescendingly slap away anyone who dared disagree but Y23F is the one making too much of it?

Parrot it? Oh no. I admit to grabbing his whip smart line, but I have called Hillary the most qualified candidate in modern times long before Obama ever did. Going back to the beginning of this thread. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

There are people in this thread who accuse Hillary of mass murder on a regular basis.

You did the same to Martin Van Buren, you anti-Burenite.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I don't know what is possible about SEO, I wouldn't mind learning, I was trying to figure out how what your link showed was happening came to be.

As for Donald - this is a guy who - not kidding - has his former caddie and golf club manager directing his social media. The man has none of the apparatus that a modern political campaign has. If such a thing can be done through SEO, then Donald is probably a bad false-positive to compare because he has no clue or inclination about doing it himself.

Basically all SEO is attempting to influence the search algorithms that populate results. Autocomplete is a different algorithm than search but based on the same principals. The challenge is that you are competing with natural search when you are doing SEO, so if hundreds of thousands of people are searching for Donald Trump Fraud or Hillary Clinton indictment it unlike any of the SEO techniques like page indexing or hyperlinking to boost results will overcome that.

 

[dparker713]

Of course it was compromised and of course it matters...it's not either/or.  I was wondering what the new talking point was going to be and now I know....down the rabbit hole we go.  What none of this changes is the lack of judgment and ethics on her part which is the most important part.  

It's not a talking point.  Its rather simple.  Once data is compromised, you can't uncompromise it.  

And none of this is about judgment or ethics.  This is about the legal ramifications.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Parrot it? Oh no. I admit to grabbing his whip smart line, but I have called Hillary the most qualified candidate in modern times long before Obama ever did. Going back to the beginning of this thread. 

Well then somebody must have said it before Obama did for you to parrot.  Either way, Y23F just destroyed your/their false statement.

 

[dparker713]

Yes, this is probably how it worked with Nixon.

Yep, gossip and breaking into an office building - exactly the same.

 

[The Commish]

Of course it was compromised and of course it matters...it's not either/or.  I was wondering what the new talking point was going to be and now I know....down the rabbit hole we go.  What none of this changes is the lack of judgment and ethics on her part which is the most important part.  

It's not a talking point.  Its rather simple.  Once data is compromised, you can't uncompromise it.  

And none of this is about judgment or ethics.  This is about the legal ramifications.

To you perhaps.  This event means a lot of different things to a lot of different people.  Again, it's not either/or.  I've said from the beginning that I couldn't care less about the email content.  It doesn't interest me all that much outside the entertainment that stems from trying to explain the content away.  Standing up a SERVER ( I don't even care her motive for setting it up).  Thinking it was acceptable to put a personal SERVER on a government network tells us plenty about her judgment and ethics.  If you choose to ignore, that's fine.  Do your thing   

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Senior Staffer: Mr. President, word is that there's nothing in the classified documents to get in a huff over.  

POTUS:  So the risk of letting her run with the nomination is minimal?

Senior Staffer:  It would appear so.  Should be fine for you to endorse too.

POTUS: "Wait, hold it a tick, "there's nothing in the classified documents to get in a huff over"??? - Then why are they even investigating?

Senior Staffer: ???

 

[Willie Neslon]

There are people in this thread who accuse Hillary of mass murder on a regular basis.

I see this stuff as just a natural push back to your outrageous worship of this woman. The only way people can compete with your Jesus-like admiration for her is to denounce equally. Your over the top view of her is not in touch with reality.  Why would you expect that of her detractors?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Yep, gossip and breaking into an office building - exactly the same.

What Nixon's press secretary called a "third rate burglary attempt" IIRC? Is that right?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

 

Dan Merica Verified account ‏@danmericaCNN


Dan Merica Retweeted Dan Merica

Clinton on Trump: 'Anyone who wants to defund Planned Parenthood... has no idea what is best for women."

- Trump supports PP.

(The ladies' health group, not the trade treaty).

 

[The Commish]

Dan Merica Verified account ‏@danmericaCNN


Dan Merica Retweeted Dan Merica

Clinton on Trump: 'Anyone who wants to defund Planned Parenthood... has no idea what is best for women."

- Trump supports PP.

(The ladies' health group, not the trade treaty).

I was reading a little bit while her speech was on and saw this and got confused a bit.

 

[dparker713]

I didn't say that and I don't think you thought that.  What you presented is what I reacted to, which was Trump's reaction being a reason Hillary should pick Warren as if it should be a primary reason.  The DNC has already foregone the most useful person to help deal with Trump, so I'm not sure that's going to get any sort of play.  At some point, maybe, we'll finally see that if we address the reason Trump is an option in the first place, Trump being an option takes care of itself.

I'm sure you're referencing Bernie.  And it wasn't the DNC's decision - it was the millions of more votes Hillary received.

 

[TobiasFunke]

 


- Trump supports PP.

(The ladies' health group, not the trade treaty).

Keep listening past the 20 second mark, GB: link

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

CNN PoliticsVerified account ‏@CNNPolitics 3m3 minutes ago

Elizabeth Warren leaves Hillary Clinton's home in Washington, D.C., after a meeting http://cnn.it/1tmrvaf

- Hillary has a second home in DC? Really. How much does that one cost, that looks like a really nice house, what does that run in DC?

 

[Don Quixote]

 


- Trump supports PP.

(The ladies' health group, not the trade treaty).

Trump supports defunding Planned Parenthood.  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/01/ted-cruz/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-planned-parenthood/

 

[Parrothead]

- Hillary has a second home in DC? Really. How much does that one cost, that looks like a really nice house, what does that run in DC?

Three.. maybe four speeches

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Keep listening past the 20 second mark, GB: link

Thanks, good effort, but you'll have to go Trumpite to defend Trump vs his prior statements over a lifetime. Same guy flipped from wanting to imprison women for abortions to calling for maintaining Roe in the space of 24 hours.

 

[MaxThreshold]

- Hillary has a second home in DC? Really. How much does that one cost, that looks like a really nice house, what does that run in DC?

that's awesome.  Warren - or as I like to call her by her Indian name: "Squats with Unions" - may have completely sold out now.  

Guess she's not as closer to Bernie than HRC as everyone all thought.

 

[timschochet]

I see this stuff as just a natural push back to your outrageous worship of this woman. The only way people can compete with your Jesus-like admiration for her is to denounce equally. Your over the top view of her is not in touch with reality.  Why would you expect that of her detractors?

See this sort of stuff cracks me up. Yeah I like Hillary. I don't worship her. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Trump supports defunding Planned Parenthood.  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/01/ted-cruz/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-planned-parenthood/

Planned Parenthood applauded Trump’s remarks.
“Donald Trump seems to have realized that banning all abortions, shutting down the government, and defunding Planned Parenthood are extreme positions that are way too far outside the mainstream for even him to take,” said spokesman Eric Ferrero in a statement.
“We hope that the rest of the GOP field will wake up and reconsider their extreme and unpopular positions on defunding preventive care, abortion bans, and the other economic issues that women and their families care about,” Ferrero continued.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/donald-trump-backs-off-push-defund-planned-parenthood-121267

 

[skol asylum]

- Hillary has a second home in DC? Really. How much does that one cost, that looks like a really nice house, what does that run in DC?

Only like 6 Goldman Sachs speeches.

 

[dparker713]

This. I just can't imagine anyone being excited about either of these candidates. I totally understand voting for Hillary as the anti-Trump vote, but how can anyone be all-in for a candidate who is an outright liar, a conniving ####, and the most corrupt individual to ever run for president, who would do and say anything to get elected. 

She isn't even close to the most corrupt individual to run for President, nor would she be anywhere close to the most corrupt individual to win the Presidency.