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She is meeting with Warren today- I hope you're right. And I hope that Trump like you continues to refer to Warren in this manner as it will only solidify Hillary's support. 
I personally think the Dems should have backed Warren as the Presidential nominee.  She has the momentum, and doesn't have the shady history & baggage that Hillary does.  I just don't want to see a 2 female ticket because it's going to make the predominant focus of the election about a wedge issue.  Seriously, women's equality is probably not even in the top 20 most pressing issues in our country, but it sounds like it's about to be moved to the front.

 
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That's not the bet. The bet was about Obama's endorsement, that he wouldn't endorse anybody until the race was decided. The race was decided and he endorsed Hillary Clinton. Whatever happens now, the bet has been decided. Please pay up. 
Under normal circumstances you would be correct, the race is decided.  But does Hillary have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination?  No.  Is there something out there to cause a mass exodus of support of Super Delegates?  Yes.  This is a highly unusual circumstance.  I will concede the bet when Hillary has in fact wrapped up the nomination   

And the FBI does not publicly comment on things, so the fact they do or do not call it something is pretty meaningless.  They are trying to maintain an impartial position  

 
She is meeting with Warren today- I hope you're right. And I hope that Trump like you continues to refer to Warren in this manner as it will only solidify Hillary's support. 
So they're having a pow wow today....

With a pemmican repast, perhaps.

 
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Trumps won that little bout with his reply,

"How long did it take your staff of 823 people to think that up--and where are your 33,000 emails that you deleted? https://t.co/gECLNtQizQ" ?
Yeah, that's not really how twitter works.  Hundreds of other people had already made that joke by the time Trump got around to it, which in the twitterverse just makes his tweet kind of lame. Nobody's making funny photoshops of Trump's reply.  This was another Clinton win in a week full of them. Not as big as that amazing story about him bilking hundreds of small businessmen that they presumably fed the media yesterday, but a win nevertheless.

 
Under normal circumstances you would be correct, the race is decided.  But does Hillary have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination?  No.  Is there something out there to cause a mass exodus of support of Super Delegates?  Yes.  This is a highly unusual circumstance.  I will concede the bet when Hillary has in fact wrapped up the nomination   

And the FBI does not publicly comment on things, so the fact they do or do not call it something is pretty meaningless.  They are trying to maintain an impartial position  
Whatever. This is pretty disappointing. If I had made this bet I would have paid it yesterday. I don't think that what you're discussing has anything to do with our wager. 

 
Yeah, that's not really how twitter works.  Hundreds of other people had already made that joke by the time Trump got around to it, which in the twitterverse just makes his tweet kind of lame. Nobody's making funny photoshops of Trump's reply.  This was another Clinton win in a week full of them. Not as big as that amazing story about him bilking hundreds of small businessmen that they presumably fed the media yesterday, but a win nevertheless.
Yeah, the connection of the word "delete" and her emails was pretty obvious for everyone in the Twitterverse besides the 823 people who drafted the tweet.  Unless they are all just making a mockery of the fact that 32k emails just disappeared, and they don't even care because the rules don't apply to her.

 
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:lmao:   Shocked I tell you!!!  Shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim you need to get your bet nazi squis on this pronto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You have more important things to tend to.

 
:lmao:   Shocked I tell you!!!  Shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim you need to get your bet nazi squis on this pronto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You have more important things to tend to.
All right you get your I told you so moment. Disappointing. In the end he'll pay, but we (the bet winners) shouldn't have to wait. What he's talking about has nothing to do with the wager. 

 
Misquote was the wrong word. I think Earmest just screwed up because it's not a criminal investigation. 
The FBI has said it twice in court filings, one time Comey said it's not a security review, the DOJ sought to block inquiry into Hillary's emails on the basis of an exemption for federal criminal investigations, and Josh Earnest just said it was a criminal investigation. Ok Earnest - a professional wordsmith at the highest pinnacle of his profession - has no idea what those words meant.

 
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The FBI has said it twice in court filings, one time Comey said it's not a security review, the DOJ sought to block inquiry into Hillary's emails on the basis of an exemption for federal criminal investigations, and Josh Earnest just said it was a criminal investigation. Ok Earnest - a professional wordsmith at the highest pinnacle of his profession - has no idea what those words meant.
They why has the FBI made a big point of refusing to use the word criminal? 

 
If she taps Elizabeth Warren as VP it only shows the rest of the country Clinton's inability to get along with men, that doesn't bode well for a President. 

 
:lmao:   Shocked I tell you!!!  Shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim you need to get your bet nazi squis on this pronto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You have more important things to tend to.
All right you get your I told you so moment. Disappointing. In the end he'll pay, but we (the bet winners) shouldn't have to wait. What he's talking about has nothing to do with the wager. 
I genuinely wish they were only 'moments'  

I didn't really follow the bet all that closely other than to post you guys better get specifics in writing, but I thought the bet was that Obama wouldn't endorse until Clinton secured the nomination.  With Hillary being Hillary, "secured" is the last thing I'd call where they're at right now, but that's why you guys should have gotten the exact terms in writing.

 
If she taps Elizabeth Warren as VP it only shows the rest of the country Clinton's inability to get along with men, that doesn't bode well for a President. 


And this is why you pick Warren.  What are the chances Trump is able to resist making some terrible misogynistic comment like this one if Warren is the pick?

 
Then all of these terms are meaningless aren't they? 

Hillary's never going to be charged with anything. You know it. I know it. Why are we wasting time discussing this? 
50 percent of America believes Hillary committed a criminal act.  Your belief that there is nothing here is a minority view.  

 
I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about, but then again pretty much everything makes you sad :P
Not everything, just dumb dumbs in our Congress.  Simply put, Trump should not be part of ANY equation when it comes to decisions being made on this country's future.  If he is, you're doing it wrong IMO.

 
Not everything, just dumb dumbs in our Congress.  Simply put, Trump should not be part of ANY equation when it comes to decisions being made on this country's future.  If he is, you're doing it wrong IMO.
Still not sure I understand. Are you saying they shouldn't pick the vice-presidential candidate based on the presence of Trump as the GOP presidential candidate? That's absurd.

The most important decision on the table right now with respect to our country's future is whether we'll elect Donald ####ing Trump as president.  Nothing else is remotely close.  Any decision that makes it less likely that Trump wins is a great decision for our country's future, period.

I'm not suggesting they pick some random woman off the street to get a rise out of Trump.  Warren is educated, intelligent, experienced and gives progressives a voice at the highest level. That she also would inevitably expose more Trump misogyny (and thus help keep a misogynist out of the White House) is just an extra benefit she offers for this country's future.

 
FWIW, the breaking story that Bill bragged to another longterm lover that he slept with 2,000 women (she's smoking hot BTW), is that I don't care and it wouldn't affect my vote against his wife.  It's the 10 of those that came forward claiming they didn't give consent, plus any of them that were under age and/or trafficked that have me seeing red.

 
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I understand politics requires rhetoric.  I'm not naive.  But I would think that President Obama would like just a small part of himself to stand above some things that shouldn't be too hard to stand up for.  Calling Hillary the most qualified person to ever run for President is just so ridiculous that it questions his ability in almost every capacity.  It takes a special level of just sheer hatred of the people he is supposed to lead to feed them something so repugnant.  He could have supported her 10 ways from Sunday without saying that.  I mean, let's be honest for a second, the guy she is going to be running against isn't qualified any more than I am, so it's not like this has to be a resume battle.  She wins that, but against our political history?  Not close.

Hillary was a good attorney, a political campaigner and volunteer, First Lady of Arkansas, author, First Lady of the United States, Secretary of State, Senator from New York and campaigned twice for the office and is now the presumptive nominee of her party.

How about a guy that was an attorney who by all accounts was better at it than her, relatively speaking, a more advanced and prodigious author, the writer of numerous state constitutions, the architect of the language of the Declaration of Independence, a community leader, an elected official to Congress, the leader of the language of the revolution, Minister Plenepotientary to several countries that actually funded the birth of the nation, the most successful foreign diplomat in our history, the only person that was a close second to George Washington in popular stature, and the guy that should be credited with ultimately being the one that crafted the ultimate peace treaty that created the nation.  She doesn't come close to John Adams.

Of course, you could argue the founding generation was too long ago.  You would have to, because in no particular order, the people that were more qualified to be President than Hillary Clinton from that era include, George Washington, the aforementioned John Adams, John Jay, John Rutledge, George Clinton, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Pickney, Samuel Adams, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, James Monroe, and John Quincy Adams.  And those are just the guys that were "serious" candidates that "ran" for the office.

You could jump forward about 50 years, ignore men like Abraham Lincoln (lawyer, statesmen, soldier, political leader, greatest poplitical writer of his time) and even a general like Ulysses Grant (who wasn't very qualified in the grand scheme of things) completely ignore Henry Clay who might be the most qualified person in our history to run for the office after the founders, completely forget someone in our history like Daniel Webster, and go to a guy that was a 9 time member of Congress, elected to the Senate, Major General, State Senator, Chairman of numerous important House subcommittees, attorney (who argued before the Supreme Court - in what was his first oral argument because he was so good at his job that his first oral argument in front of any court was before the United States Supreme Court) is credited with one of the most ingenious mathematical proofs regarding the pythagorean theorum, and of course, ultimately was chosen to run and then elected to the office.  But somehow, Hillary Clinton is more qualified to be President than James Garfield.

But we can ignore that time in history too.  Guys like Grover Cleveland (sheriff, mayor, governor, and one of the most powerful legislators in New York history), James Blaine (a great diplomat, member of the House, Speaker of the House, Senator, and was a leader in the rights for blacks to get the right to vote), William McKinley ( Major, Governor, lawyer, House member), Theodore Roosevelt, William Jennings Bryan, and Woodrow Wilson all didn't really match up to Hillary Clinton.

But post-civil war and reconstruction into the turn of the 20th century might be too far away.  So we can jump another 50 years or so.  We can ignore William Howard Taft, Franklin Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover (who might be the second most qualified person ever to run for the office and might be the most qualified in the last 100 years) Harry Truman, and heck even Richard Nixon.  We can instead focus on John Kennedy.  Not my shining example of anything politics, but  with a military background, service in the House and Senate he isn't lless qualified than her.  How about Lyndon Johnson, Herbert Humphrey or George McGovern (military, House, Senate)?

Nah, Gerald Ford?  All he did in the House was fall down.  Ronald Reagan?  Actor, ate too many jelly beans.  How about George H.W. Bush?  You want to talk about qualifications to run for the office of President?  Military, business leader, Congress, diplomat, leader of the GOP, Ambassador to the UN, special envoy to China, Director of the CIA, and director of the Special Counsel on Foreign Relations.  If there was ever a person that was "more qualified" than George Herbert Walker Bush to be President (and that is ignoring that he was an actual Vice President too) his name better include Adams, Hoover or maybe one or two more and that's it.

How about Bob Dole?  Military, House and served in the Senate for like three decades.  Hell, how about Al Gore?  House, Senate, ran once before he ran after Clinton, and he was author too.  John Kerry and John McCain weren't slouches either in the experience department.  Kerry was basically born into the mold of what to be to be a President. His life reads like a long journey into the office.

This is already too long.  And I only mentioned a few of the people that lost.  The comment is insane.  I can understand wanting to give her some credit for being a First Lady for eight years.  It does count for something.  And she wasn't a 19th century first lady doing nothing, I get that.  But it doesn't stand up to a myriad of the other levels of experience here.  What she truly has is the experience of being a political name for the better part of 30 years, a short term Senator and a short term Secretary of State.  She isn't unqualfied, no one should make that mistake.  But to call her one of the most ever?  It take a special level of political narcissism to say it, an even worse of level of true ignorance to repeat it, and just downright utter medically diagnosed stupidity to believe it.

 
Still not sure I understand. Are you saying they shouldn't pick the vice-presidential candidate based on the presence of Trump as the GOP presidential candidate? That's absurd.

The most important decision on the table right now with respect to our country's future is whether we'll elect Donald ####ing Trump as president.  Nothing else is remotely close.  Any decision that makes it less likely that Trump wins is a great decision for our country's future, period.

I'm not suggesting they pick some random woman off the street to get a rise out of Trump.  Warren is educated, intelligent, experienced and gives progressives a voice at the highest level. That she also would inevitably expose more Trump misogyny (and thus help keep a misogynist out of the White House) is just an extra benefit she offers for this country's future.
Yes...this is absolutely what I am saying.  Picking someone because it's going to piss off Trump is one of the most absurd things I can think of.  That's middle school bull#### IMO.  Now, if it's presented in a manner like "Person x has a,b,c,d,e,f going for them and is strong on 1,2,3.  Oh and by the way it will really piss of Trump" that's different.  If that was your intention then we can agree.  It didn't come across that way at all though.

 
And well south of 1. 
Tim - it looks worse for those of us who want justice to be blind.  (Obama pulled the mask off all the way yesterday, shamelessly).  But remember that at no point has the investigation failed to move forward, not back, to confirm wrongdoing and reveal more wrongdoing.  And in parallel, she and her staff have acted like criminals act.  It's all so slimy and horrible and beneath the stature of the office she wants to hold.  You may be right that the odds of indictment went down, but that's has nothing to do with law and everything to do with a President that signaled he is willing to fight to ignore them.  (Such a conflict of interest!). 

For you, this may be good news.  For the country, it's a terrible distraction that will not end with her coronation.  

Does anyone doubt that her first move as President is to clean house on anyone who might hold her in check, on all checks and balances that may mitigate her power?

Obama (who I generally like) has really disappointed me.  

 
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I understand politics requires rhetoric.  I'm not naive.  But I would think that President Obama would like just a small part of himself to stand above some things that shouldn't be too hard to stand up for.  Calling Hillary the most qualified person to ever run for President is just so ridiculous that it questions his ability in almost every capacity.  It takes a special level of just sheer hatred of the people he is supposed to lead to feed them something so repugnant.  He could have supported her 10 ways from Sunday without saying that.  I mean, let's be honest for a second, the guy she is going to be running against isn't qualified any more than I am, so it's not like this has to be a resume battle.  She wins that, but against our political history?  Not close.

Hillary was a good attorney, a political campaigner and volunteer, First Lady of Arkansas, author, First Lady of the United States, Secretary of State, Senator from New York and campaigned twice for the office and is now the presumptive nominee of her party.

How about a guy that was an attorney who by all accounts was better at it than her, relatively speaking, a more advanced and prodigious author, the writer of numerous state constitutions, the architect of the language of the Declaration of Independence, a community leader, an elected official to Congress, the leader of the language of the revolution, Minister Plenepotientary to several countries that actually funded the birth of the nation, the most successful foreign diplomat in our history, the only person that was a close second to George Washington in popular stature, and the guy that should be credited with ultimately being the one that crafted the ultimate peace treaty that created the nation.  She doesn't come close to John Adams.

Of course, you could argue the founding generation was too long ago.  You would have to, because in no particular order, the people that were more qualified to be President than Hillary Clinton from that era include, George Washington, the aforementioned John Adams, John Jay, John Rutledge, George Clinton, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Pickney, Samuel Adams, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, James Monroe, and John Quincy Adams.  And those are just the guys that were "serious" candidates that "ran" for the office.

You could jump forward about 50 years, ignore men like Abraham Lincoln (lawyer, statesmen, soldier, political leader, greatest poplitical writer of his time) and even a general like Ulysses Grant (who wasn't very qualified in the grand scheme of things) completely ignore Henry Clay who might be the most qualified person in our history to run for the office after the founders, completely forget someone in our history like Daniel Webster, and go to a guy that was a 9 time member of Congress, elected to the Senate, Major General, State Senator, Chairman of numerous important House subcommittees, attorney (who argued before the Supreme Court - in what was his first oral argument because he was so good at his job that his first oral argument in front of any court was before the United States Supreme Court) is credited with one of the most ingenious mathematical proofs regarding the pythagorean theorum, and of course, ultimately was chosen to run and then elected to the office.  But somehow, Hillary Clinton is more qualified to be President than James Garfield.

But we can ignore that time in history too.  Guys like Grover Cleveland (sheriff, mayor, governor, and one of the most powerful legislators in New York history), James Blaine (a great diplomat, member of the House, Speaker of the House, Senator, and was a leader in the rights for blacks to get the right to vote), William McKinley ( Major, Governor, lawyer, House member), Theodore Roosevelt, William Jennings Bryan, and Woodrow Wilson all didn't really match up to Hillary Clinton.

But post-civil war and reconstruction into the turn of the 20th century might be too far away.  So we can jump another 50 years or so.  We can ignore William Howard Taft, Franklin Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover (who might be the second most qualified person ever to run for the office and might be the most qualified in the last 100 years) Harry Truman, and heck even Richard Nixon.  We can instead focus on John Kennedy.  Not my shining example of anything politics, but  with a military background, service in the House and Senate he isn't lless qualified than her.  How about Lyndon Johnson, Herbert Humphrey or George McGovern (military, House, Senate)?

Nah, Gerald Ford?  All he did in the House was fall down.  Ronald Reagan?  Actor, ate too many jelly beans.  How about George H.W. Bush?  You want to talk about qualifications to run for the office of President?  Military, business leader, Congress, diplomat, leader of the GOP, Ambassador to the UN, special envoy to China, Director of the CIA, and director of the Special Counsel on Foreign Relations.  If there was ever a person that was "more qualified" than George Herbert Walker Bush to be President (and that is ignoring that he was an actual Vice President too) his name better include Adams, Hoover or maybe one or two more and that's it.

How about Bob Dole?  Military, House and served in the Senate for like three decades.  Hell, how about Al Gore?  House, Senate, ran once before he ran after Clinton, and he was author too.  John Kerry and John McCain weren't slouches either in the experience department.  Kerry was basically born into the mold of what to be to be a President. His life reads like a long journey into the office.

This is already too long.  And I only mentioned a few of the people that lost.  The comment is insane.  I can understand wanting to give her some credit for being a First Lady for eight years.  It does count for something.  And she wasn't a 19th century first lady doing nothing, I get that.  But it doesn't stand up to a myriad of the other levels of experience here.  What she truly has is the experience of being a political name for the better part of 30 years, a short term Senator and a short term Secretary of State.  She isn't unqualfied, no one should make that mistake.  But to call her one of the most ever?  It take a special level of political narcissism to say it, an even worse of level of true ignorance to repeat it, and just downright utter medically diagnosed stupidity to believe it.
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Then all of these terms are meaningless aren't they? 

Hillary's never going to be charged with anything. You know it. I know it. Why are we wasting time discussing this? 
You've proudly admitted you don't know the details about what's going on so, by extension and as per usual, your predictions are non-credible and likely guided by your hopes and wishes.

 
You've proudly admitted you don't know the details about what's going on so, by extension and as per usual, your predictions are non-credible and likely guided by your hopes and wishes.
Whatever you say. I think anyone who predicts an indictment at this point is hoping and wishing. 

 
Yes...this is absolutely what I am saying.  Picking someone because it's going to piss off Trump is one of the most absurd things I can think of.  That's middle school bull#### IMO.  Now, if it's presented in a manner like "Person x has a,b,c,d,e,f going for them and is strong on 1,2,3.  Oh and by the way it will really piss of Trump" that's different.  If that was your intention then we can agree.  It didn't come across that way at all though.
I mean obviously they're not gonna go out and pick some random woman to be vice-president. It's pretty ridiculous to even pretend to think I meant that. They are choosing from a small field of candidates, most or maybe all of whom are likely qualified, including a highly educated US Senator and distinguished legal scholar.  From that field, whoever is the person most helpful in dealing with the greatest threat our nation faces in 2016- the very real prospect of a Trump presidency- should be the pick. 

 
Whatever you say. I think anyone who predicts an indictment at this point is hoping and wishing. 
I didn't so much predict or say it's likely.  But to deny its a realistic possibility at this point is pure fantasy and wishful thinking.  I know it violates your narrative, but at some point you have to infuse a little reality in all your propaganda.

 
Yankee your post was long, very well written, and completely off point. Of course Hillary is well qualified to be President. I called her the most qualified in modern times. But Obama's statement was political, nothing more. You make way too much of it IMO.

 
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