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A "C" in parenthesis in 3 documents that the FBI Director admitted it was plausible that anyone could miss in over 30,000 emails.
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I would want to know where the (C) was located. Was it in the subject line? Was it in the top of the email? Or was it buried somewhere in a 200 page attachment in 7-point font?

 
Jayrok said:
Years and years of training and education is irrelevant.  Until she receives specific training that is specifically designed and delivered to train one in the safe handling of classified information, she is just as qualified in handling secrets of the United States as you are.  
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Well, the FBI findings seem to be there really was no safe alternative to her email setup, aside from not using email at all.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
And he also said that the person could still be a perfectly eligible hire.  Terrible cherry picking.
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Well, most importantly, this seems to be an employment distinction, not the "double-standard" nonsense the GOP is selling.  If a current employee did this, he/she likely would have been disciplined (and judging from Comey's remarks, it would have been pretty severe).  But, that's a lot different than prosecuting a criminal charge.  Hillary isn't an employee right now, so barking up this alley seems to fail on two levels.  I can't sand her, but this whole angle is absurd.

 
Comey seems like a very sharp and impressive guy. 

Builds a lot of credibility with me. He comes off with nothing to hide and no axe to grind. 

Well done so far. 

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
I don't think it's in the header, the markings are assigned to the portions of the email which contain classified information.
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This.  Some emails have classified content, only to be followed by yoga plans and Hamilton reviews.  Not everything is classified, so they put a (C) next to the content that needs to be protected.

 
John Bender said:
Comey seems like a very sharp and impressive guy. 

Builds a lot of credibility with me. He comes off with nothing to hide and now are to grind. 

Well done so far. 
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He's exceptional.  

Looks like I'm going to owe you $100.

 
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BigSteelThrill said:
Side of the body. This was discussed.  Not in title and not in header.
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Btw I'm glad people are finally catching up to this.

But note when Hillary said - like a hundred times - "I never received anything marked 'classified'" - she was literally deceiving people. You and I hope everyone now sees that NOTHING is marked "CLASSIFIED". It's just these markings which indicate  that classified information is within the email.

Hillary was FOS on this the whole time, or has no idea what she is talking about, because what she was claiming was a physical impossibility.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Btw I'm glad people are finally catching up to this.

But note when Hillary said - like a hundred times - "I never received anything marked 'classified'" - she was literally deceiving people. You and I hope everyone now sees that NOTHING IS is marked "CLASSIFIED". It's just these markings which indicate  that classified information is within the email.

Hillary was FOS on this the whole time, or has no idea what she is talking about, because what she was claiming was a physical impossibility.
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Or simply mistaken.   It was 3 in 33000+. And the (c) could have been added later down the chain... according to Comey.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Btw I'm glad people are finally catching up to this.

But note when Hillary said - like a hundred times - "I never received anything marked 'classified'" - she was literally deceiving people. You and I hope everyone now sees that NOTHING IS is marked "CLASSIFIED". It's just these markings which indicate  that classified information is within the email.

Hillary was FOS on this the whole time, or has no idea what she is talking about, because what she was claiming was a physical impossibility.
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So, let me throw her a bone here.  Didn't Comey suggest she might not have been sophisticated enough to recognize when content was classified by the markings?  Forget what that might insinuate, but do I have it correct that he felt she might not have picked up on the (C) business?  That might be stupid as hell, but it's not lying.  

I don't know how much I buy the premise of my own question, so indulge me.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Btw I'm glad people are finally catching up to this.

But note when Hillary said - like a hundred times - "I never received anything marked 'classified'" - she was literally deceiving people. You and I hope everyone now sees that NOTHING IS is marked "CLASSIFIED". It's just these markings which indicate  that classified information is within the email.

Hillary was FOS on this the whole time, or has no idea what she is talking about, because what she was claiming was a physical impossibility.
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Which Comey admitted that anyone could have missed in 3 emails out of 30,000.

 
cobalt_27 said:
So, let me throw her a bone here.  Didn't Comey suggest she might not have been sophisticated enough to recognize when content was classified by the markings?  Forget what that might insinuate, but do I have it correct that he felt she might not have picked up on the (C) business?  That might be stupid as hell, but it's not lying.  

I don't know how much I buy the premise of my own question, so indulge me.
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Yes. It's the incompetence argument. Incompetence is not the same as lying. 

 
Joe Summer said:
I would want to know where the (C) was located. Was it in the subject line? Was it in the top of the email? Or was it buried somewhere in a 200 page attachment in 7-point font?
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This will fall on deaf ears, but it really doesn't matter if the sentences were marked with a (C), or (S), or (TS) or not at all.  That correspondence should not have been sitting on a private, non-accredited server.  The marking (C) would have been at the left margin of the line item in the document that was being marked as confidential.  Either way, it is a classified spillage of information onto a non-secure, unclassified network.  

When I see sentences in a document that are marked with a (C), it tells me that the originator knew what he/she was doing and is saying this particular line (not the entire document) is classified confidential.  Handle accordingly.  It tells me that the originator or sender did not use gmail or yahoo or send it from a server at home.  It says that Clinton received it on the appropriate system and transferred it to her own email system, whether with her iPhone or tablet, etc.  Or she had it done by someone else.  Anyone who knows to include (C) in the document before a line would not do so on their personal iPhone using a gmail account.  It doesn't matter if she saw the classification or not.  She created an incident when she sent the email or document to her own private server.  

 
squistion said:
A "C" in parenthesis in 3 documents that the FBI Director admitted it was plausible that anyone could miss in over 30,000 emails.
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So ridiculous.  Beyond it being her obligation to recognize classified data, she had an extra burden because she had a private, unsecure setup.  The context cannot be ignored.  She created this extra burden!  And she did so with intent to skirt FOIA.  Context is everything here.  

 
What I'm learning through all this is that the executive branch has very poor infrastructure and process for handling classified digital information. That's what really needs to be addressed here. That Clinton (knowingly or unknowingly) exposed this is secondary.

 
Mr. Ham said:
So ridiculous.  Beyond it being her obligation to recognize classified data, she had an extra burden because she had a private, unsecure setup.  The context cannot be ignored.  She created this extra burden!  And she did so with intent to skirt FOIA.  Context is everything here.  
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I would have love to see you say to Director Comey "so ridiculous".

 
Mr. Ham said:
So ridiculous.  Beyond it being her obligation to recognize classified data, she had an extra burden because she had a private, unsecure setup.  The context cannot be ignored.  She created this extra burden!  And she did so with intent to skirt FOIA.  Context is everything here.  
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Sharrell ‏@sharrell86 2m2 minutes ago

Private server/email shouldnt have been used but a (C) can EASILY be overlooked by a busy person receiving thousands of emails #ComeyHearing
 
cobalt_27 said:
So, let me throw her a bone here.  Didn't Comey suggest she might not have been sophisticated enough to recognize when content was classified by the markings?  Forget what that might insinuate, but do I have it correct that he felt she might not have picked up on the (C) business?  That might be stupid as hell, but it's not lying.  

I don't know how much I buy the premise of my own question, so indulge me.
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Ha, I'm open ears. I love the discussion. Yes, it's plausible, but this is Handling Classified Information 101 stuff. Hillary was trained and she signed an NDA saying she was trained. Does that mean she's lying automatically? No, but to me this sounds worse, I guess that's my point.

As you say forget what that implies, I guess it's obvious what it implies and it's not good IMO.

 
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BigSteelThrill said:
and he said it could possibly be ADDED from down the email chain (reply>reply>reply). 
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This is why any classified correspondence, whether document attachments or email conversations, should be conducted on the appropriate media/platform to handle the information.  She wouldn't be in this position if she had used to right equipment cleared to handle the information.  

 
TobiasFunke said:
Comey gives long statement and extensive testimony about how there was no way Clinton should be prosecuted for what she did with her emails.  Clinton haters respond with disdain, skepticism, and challenges to her impartiality, and some outright disbelief.

Comey gives one sentence quote about how she "may not have been sophisticated enough" to understand certain markings.  Clinton haters immediately take his word and his opinion as gospel.

If I didn't know any better I'd say his credibility in your eyes is conditioned not on his qualifications or his reasoning, but simply on whether he's saying something that inflicts maximum damage on Hillary Clinton!  That can't be it, though. You guys have way too much integrity for that.
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And there isn't any question on your part about the events that occurred this past week or so that may have been an impact on this case? The bottom line, is the President, Secretary of State, Attorney General and Director of the FBI are under scrutiny of being crooks. 

 
BigSteelThrill said:
Hillary Clinton did NOT have a computer in her office at the State Department.  According to Comey and when it came to her "sophistication".
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Right. Grandma does not know how to work one.

Her aides were reading their emails on the open internet though and later Hillary did use an ipad with Safari.

 
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I haven't followed this as closely as most of you (which might be a good thing) but if this PolitiFact assessment is fair and accurate, the outrage over Clinton lying about information marked classified seems ridiculous to me.    I don't know why anyone's vote would be swayed over it.

 
Juxtatarot said:
I haven't followed this as closely as most of you (which might be a good thing) but if this PolitiFact assessment is fair and accurate, the outrage over Clinton lying about information marked classified seems ridiculous to me.    I don't know why anyone's vote would be swayed over it.
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Twitter is a much better place to find information.  Very thorough and on point IMO.  

 
Mr. Ham said:
So ridiculous.  Beyond it being her obligation to recognize classified data, she had an extra burden because she had a private, unsecure setup.  The context cannot be ignored.  She created this extra burden!  And she did so with intent to skirt FOIA.  Context is everything here.  
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Widely respected FBI director and former deputy AG is still testifying and you're already contradicting his direct statement with your own unsupported claims that you present as facts.

I do have to admit, I kind of admire the brazen nature of your lies.  Most of the Hillary haters try to at least make their stuff sound kinda semi-reasonable so that it will take at least a little effort to disprove or discredit it, but you just say #### it and go full throttle.

 
pantagrapher said:
Well, the FBI findings seem to be there really was no safe alternative to her email setup, aside from not using email at all.
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I realize the Department of State is set up differently than the Department of Defense, but I wish they'd collaborate when lines can be blurred between the two (e.g. classified information regarding national security).  The DoD has generals and top officials who have secure phones/tablets where they can conduct briefings, etc.  They can even do it from a commercial hotel in some situations using VPN technology, with the right equipment.  

 
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