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Politician Spock said:
This is an example of why people hate you. 
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Really? I don't think anybody truly hates me here (I hope not.) But what was wrong with my question? I was attempting to take your logic to it's ultimate conclusion. If you refuse to ever work with anyone unless they are incorruptible, there are consequences to that, aren't there? 

 
timschochet said:
Really? I don't think anybody truly hates me here (I hope not.) But what was wrong with my question? I was attempting to take your logic to it's ultimate conclusion. If you refuse to ever work with anyone unless they are incorruptible, there are consequences to that, aren't there? 
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I think it was terrible that we let the Russians capture most of eastern Europe though.

 
bueno said:
I think it was terrible that we let the Russians capture most of eastern Europe though.
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We didn't have much of a choice no matter what Churchill (and Patton) thought. We thought we would need Russian help against Japan. Also the American people just wanted the war over with and to come home. 

 
timschochet said:
Really? I don't think anybody truly hates me here (I hope not.) But what was wrong with my question? I was attempting to take your logic to it's ultimate conclusion. If you refuse to ever work with anyone unless they are incorruptible, there are consequences to that, aren't there? 
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In your mind you think your are taking my logic to it's ultimate conclusion, but that's because you think you are perfect and never wrong. 

What FDR had to decide in that scenario is not a issue of corruption, unless you think one of the decisions benefits him financially or with some other personal gain. I don't see how either decision would. Siding with the enemy of my enemy may be what's best for the country. Deciding to not side with the enemy of my enemy may not be what's best for the country. Corruption is FDR doing what's best for FDR. And Trump and HIllary have shown to be the epitome of that behavior throughout their careers.  

 
Politician Spock said:
But the solution is to stop looking at what "we" do and to start looking at what "I" do. This wouldn't be a "it's Hillary or Trump" choice if people stopped believing there is more power in being a lemming than there is in being an individual. 
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I do what I can to push the issues away from "faith based" answers to data driven.  Of course the data also means that it would be delusional into thinking I'm making much of dent in what "we" do.  But then again when I said that the "prebate" in the FairTax proposal was a form of "guaranteed income" a long time ago it went over heads, but now there are more BIG conversations around here than consumption taxes - though it shouldn't be either/or.  Not taking credit, just saying that all I can do is "pound the drum" for good ideas and make sure that when the time comes that the foundations have been set.   Along the way I need to make my vote, as meaningless as it might be in the aggregate move the nation/state/county/neighborhood in the direction of "my way" in tiny, barely perceptible  steps.    

Or, I could "wash my hands of it all" and just ##### and moan.  Or maybe post :lmao:   or personal insults.  No, I think I like my way.

 
timschochet said:
We didn't have much of a choice no matter what Churchill (and Patton) thought. We thought we would need Russian help against Japan. Also the American people just wanted the war over with and to come home. 
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June  6  - VE Day. Aug 8 - Russia declares war on Japan and invades Manchuria. Aug 14 - Japan surrenders after we drop two A-bombs.

Might have been different if the atomic bomb didn't work.

ETA: Year was 1945

 
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Bottomfeeder Sports said:
I do what I can to push the issues away from "faith based" answers to data driven.  Of course the data also means that it would be delusional into thinking I'm making much of dent in what "we" do.  But then again when I said that the "prebate" in the FairTax proposal was a form of "guaranteed income" a long time ago it went over heads, but now there are more BIG conversations around here than consumption taxes - though it shouldn't be either/or.  Not taking credit, just saying that all I can do is "pound the drum" for good ideas and make sure that when the time comes that the foundations have been set.   Along the way I need to make my vote, as meaningless as it might be in the aggregate move the nation/state/county/neighborhood in the direction of "my way" in tiny, barely perceptible  steps.    

Or, I could "wash my hands of it all" and just ##### and moan.  Or maybe post :lmao:   or personal insults.  No, I think I like my way.
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Actually, I think the personal insults you through my way over the years helped me become who I am now. I threw so many "faith based" answers at you back in the day, I'm sure I was at the top of your list of what's wrong with this country. So in summary, thanks for sticking to your guns with me. I'm better for it. 

 
bueno said:
I think it was terrible that we let the Russians capture most of eastern Europe though.
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So, what would you have done in 1944/5 to stop the Soviets from conquering Eastern Europe?

You have the resources available to Eisenhower.

Go

 
Getzlaf15 said:
BS. This might be the first time I don't vote ever because I can't find a candidate worthy of my vote.
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Same here.  If it looks like the Libertarians are going to get a decent share of the vote -- and if they can't do that this year then it's hopeless -- I'll show up and vote L.  Otherwise I'm seriously considering abstaining this time, which would be a first for me.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
I don't see how it assumes anything at all. (x, y, and z can be people instead of issues.)
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Ok if xyz are different things, which is what I thought you meant, if it's 1 person, arguably several things are possibly under investigation but you don't want to specify which aren't because that would highlight one(s) is/are.

If xyz are different people, but one thing might be under investigation, ok I might buy that, and I might buy that Hillary isn't one of those people. But as the thing here is the Foundation that would still mean the Foundation is likely under investigation.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Ok if xyz are different things, which is what I thought you meant, if it's 1 person, arguably several things are possibly under investigation but you don't want to specify which aren't because that would highlight one(s) is/are.

If xyz are different people, but one thing might be under investigation, ok I might buy that, and I might buy that Hillary isn't one of those people. But as the thing here is the Foundation that would still mean the Foundation is likely under investigation.
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Whether the Foundation is under investigation is made neither more likely nor less likely by the fact that Comey wouldn't confirm or deny it. If it's under investigation, he won't conform or deny. If it's not under investigation, he won't confirm or deny. He's giving you no information. That's the point of never commenting. (If he said "no" when the answer was no, but "no comment" when the answer was yes, THAT would be giving you information -- which is why that isn't done.)

 
That first debriefing by the FBI F director of the president is going to be awkward when Hillary begins her transition after winning.

Comey: "Oh hi."

Hillary:  :mellow:

Gosh I wonder if Hillz keeps Comey on as Director. I hope so.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Whether the Foundation is under investigation is made neither more likely nor less likely by the fact that Comey wouldn't confirm or deny it. If it's under investigation, he won't conform or deny. If it's not under investigation, he won't confirm or deny. He's giving you no information. That's the point of never commenting. (If he said "no" when the answer was no, but "no comment" when the answer was yes, THAT would be giving you information -- which is why that isn't done.)
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Like I said IMO this only makes sense if some *thing relating to Hillary is under investigation. If she is not under investigation - for anything - then I think she and the people deserve to know that and I think Comey would do the ethical thing and tell her and us that.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
If she is not under investigation then I think she and the people deserve to know that and I think Comey would do the ethical thing and tell her and us that.
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You're saying that the answer should be "she's not under investigation" when she's not under investigation but "I can't comment" when she is under investigation. That turns "I can't comment" into "she is under investigation," which is what the FBI is trying to avoid. The only sensible policy is to say, "We don't discuss whether or not someone or something is under investigation -- I wouldn't tell you either way." There may be exceptions now and then in special circumstances, but the general policy has to be "no comment" regardless of what the answer really is.

 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
You're saying that the answer should be "she's not under investigation" when she's not under investigation but "I can't comment" when she is under investigation. That turns "I can't comment" into "she is under investigation," which is what the FBI is trying to avoid. The only sensible policy is to say that "We don't discuss whether or not someone or something is under investigation -- I wouldn't tell you either way." There may be exceptions now and then in special circumstances, but the general policy has to be "no comment" regardless of what the answer really is.
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Ok that makes more sense.

ETA - Though in this situation isn't the prospect of a president possibly being under investigation hanging as a cloud over her and her presidency even more of a problem? This only matters as far as how Comey's comments are taken as to other suspects/persons but this is the president.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
That first debriefing by the FBI F director of the president is going to be awkward when Hillary begins her transition after winning.

Comey: "Oh hi."

Hillary:  :mellow:

Gosh I wonder if Hillz keeps Comey on as Director. I hope so.
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I don't think most ordinary people can comprehend the degree to which those that rise in real power learn to "compartmentalize" .

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
That first debriefing by the FBI F director of the president is going to be awkward when Hillary begins her transition after winning.

Comey: "Oh hi."

Hillary:  :mellow:

Gosh I wonder if Hillz keeps Comey on as Director. I hope so.
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FBI directors serve a 10 year term but they can resign or get removed by the President or Congress if they do something wrong.  It would be pretty ironic if Hillary fires Comey.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2002/06/how_do_you_dump_the_fbi_director.html

 
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Politician Spock said:
I believe social media as a whole is more powerful than political parties have ever been. 
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I will agree social media is a powerful tool. But it is not going to change the system/status quo by posting on message boards/Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/etc. You need to be involved. Just my opinion

 
badmojo1006 said:
I will agree social media is a powerful tool. But it is not going to change the system/status quo by posting on message boards/Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/etc. You need to be involved. Just my opinion
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To some degree you are right... but in this election both Trump and Hillary are throwing softballs, so for now I'm staying at the plate I'm at. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
That first debriefing by the FBI F director of the president is going to be awkward when Hillary begins her transition after winning.

Comey: "Oh hi."

Hillary:  :mellow:

Gosh I wonder if Hillz keeps Comey on as Director. I hope so.
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No reason not to, his testimony favored her. He could have given answers that caused irreparable harm to her candidacy.

Their first meeting will be friendly and cordial. :yes:

 
Politician Spock said:
badmojo1006 said:
I will agree social media is a powerful tool. But it is not going to change the system/status quo by posting on message boards/Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/etc. You need to be involved. Just my opinion
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To some degree you are right... but in this election both Trump and Hillary are throwing softballs, so for now I'm staying at the plate I'm at. 
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OK, shouldn't it be you are standing in the on-deck circle and not going up to the plate? Because there is not much worse than striking out in slow-pitch softball...Everybody  :lol:  at you for that.

 
squistion said:
No reason not to, his testimony favored her. He could have given answers that caused irreparable harm to her candidacy.

Their first meeting will be friendly and cordial. :yes:
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Ha. Ok. She's a negligent nincompoop grandma but free as a bird.

Btw nothing can harm her candidacy vs Captain Tomorrow.

 
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badmojo1006 said:
OK, shouldn't it be you are standing in the on-deck circle and not going up to the plate? Because there is not much worse than striking out in slow-pitch softball...Everybody  :lol:  at you for that.
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The only thing separating your candidate from prosecution is the fact that the FBI concluded she's a dumb###!

[rounds the bases while using his bat to wave at badmojo1006]

 
Politician Spock said:
The only thing separating your candidate from prosecution is the fact that the FBI concluded she's a dumb###!

[rounds the bases while using his bat to wave at badmojo1006]
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Comey is the referee who did not want to blow the whistle near the end of a championship game.  The FBI presented the evidence and let the people decide if they want to vote for a career criminal.  The ball is in our court, buddy.

 
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Rohn Jambo said:
Comey is the referee who did not want to blow the whistle near the end of a championship game.  The FBI presented the evidence and let the people decide if they want to vote for a career criminal.  The ball is in our court, buddy.
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The people always make great choices. 

 
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