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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)
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SaintsInDome2006
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It's really the flipside of Obama who partly showed he could be president by running such a professional, well managed campaign. With Trump you can see how he landed in those 4 bankruptcies.
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tommyGunZ
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LOL. In hindsight, we didn't spend nearly enough in the aftermath. The idea that austerity would have been a better approach in mind numbingly ignorant.
squistion
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That would be my interpretation of what he meant, although it seemed so beyond the pale it didn't register with me initially.
Mr. Ham is a sick puppy.
A few people have expressed a similar sentiment about Tim, but it was the first time I recall someone going into that territory with me. Oh, well.
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Before you call out "safe zone," I am not serious. You are why comedians can't play younger crowds, though.
squistion
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Hmmm. So it is being too PC and overly sensitive to take offense when someone suggests they hope you die, as they were obviously joking.
You consider this comedy? Don't quit your day job to do stand up.
SaintsInDome2006
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Careless, stupid, dumb, ignorant, reckless, idiotic, ridiculous, geriatric, incompetent, yes.Maurile Tremblay said:
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Baby steps. Let's just get her to admit that she was careless for now. Obama says that she has already admitted it. Tim says she can't admit it -- or, I guess, that she can admit it as long as she doesn't use the word "careless" (as opposed to a "mistake" -- as if there were other kinds of mistakes besides careless ones).
squistion
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And the use of smart phones and social media have made the public active participants in the press. Now everybody has a camera and can share images instantly on Twitter or Facebook. This is major reason the Black Lives Matter organization has gotten the attention it has. For years African Americans were saying they were disproportionately subjected to police brutality, but they weren't taken seriously until they were able to document it on video with their cell phones. Now even people like conservative writer Matt Lewis are questioning premises about the treatment of blacks by police that he didn't before, http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/08/a-confession/[scooter] said:
Some people here laugh at the idea that Twitter is the press of the people, but if you look at any newsworthy event, it is being documented and discussed in real time on Twitter as it is happening.
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The only thing separating Hillary from prosecution is the fact that the FBI, AND OBAMA, concluded she's a dumb###!Maurile Tremblay said:
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squistion
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Because the free press which is Twitter is comprised of everyone who participates in real time, it doesn't filter out contrary opinions like the anti-Hillary right wing sites you frequent, that just tell you what you only want to hear and are predisposed to believe.
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SaintsInDome2006
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Eh, this isn't exactly true. This has the same problem as the rest of internet. If you self-curate your timeline you end up just justifying your predisposed view of the world. I don't mean "you" you I mean twitter users generally. And really the www is infinitely wider than twitter, a billion sites and what do people do? They go to the same 5-10 sites they always do. It should be expanding, instead it's limiting.
- eta - I completely agree with the "free press" aspect but you'd be surprised how many academics and politicians don't view things this way. There's a big debate about what "the press" is as some don't believe that social media and new media count for those purposes.
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Absolute gold. Do you not see what a hypocrit you are. You are the only one here that seems to visit Twitter frequently and follow only people you are predisposed to believe them mindlessly post their idiotic spin.
squistion
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Wrong_mx again. My Twitter feed is from current trending hashtags that I read not from the 8 -10 politicos I follow (I am currently following about 60 people, but 80% are fantasy football related pundits).
When a hashtag is trending I see all the opinions on it, like most recently with the Comey hearing and the Dallas shooting. You aren't on Twitter (not surprisingly) so you probably are not aware that you can't filter out opinions you don't like when you click on a hashtag - so you can't just see what you only want to see or are predisposed to believe.
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Rohn Jambo
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Obama says she is the "most qualified presidential candidate in history", and this includes comparison with himself. You know what he really means is she is the ultimate insider and corrupt to her bones.
Rohn Jambo
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This is why Hillary is Trump's dream opponent and why he decided to run for President in 2016.
Gopher State
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Glad your trying to be a comic when you make these type of postsMr. Ham said:
NorvilleBarnes
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Yep. And eventually this will evolve into something like "The FBI has completely cleared me of any wrongdoing"
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There are a few different ways of interpreting that.
If you take "most qualified" to mean the best, it's a real stretch. In fact, if you exclude Donald Trump, she might be closer to the worst in recent memory than to the best. She has major deficits in integrity, trustworthiness, authenticity, carefulness...
But if you take "most qualified" to mean that she has the most impressive resume... I'm no historian, but I can't think of any candidates who were more qualified off the top of my head. Nobody puts "lack of trustworthiness" on a resume. They just list the good stuff. They list experience. And her experience is broader in relevant ways than that of any other candidate I can think of. In a president, you generally want intelligence, knowledge of domestic and foreign policy, and experience with executive governance. She's got all of that. Her educational achievements signal intelligence. There may be no better place to gain knowledge of domestic policy than in the U.S. Senate. There may be no better place to gain knowledge of foreign policy than as Secretary of State. And while maybe a governorship would have been nice for executive experience, getting to watch President Bill up close as an actively involved First Lady is nothing to sneeze at. You can argue that she was ineffective in each of those positions -- but again, ineffectiveness isn't something that goes on a resume. Her resume is exceptionally impressive.
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In a class by himself
George H.W. Bush - Congressman, Ambassador to the UN, Envoy to China, Director of the C.I.A., Vice President, WWII vet.
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Grandma Nixon.
Rohn Jambo
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Hillary was not under oath. The FBI did not recorded the interview and they did not have a transcript.
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TripItUp
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Hmmmm...I thought one of the Republicans mentioned that in the hearing last week, I may have been misunderstood.
Rohn Jambo
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I have hired people before and I look for much more than an impressive resume.
Everyone is always effectively under oath when they talk to the FBI. But according to the FBI, there's no good evidence that Hillary lied to them.
She may have lied to Congress under oath. The FBI may investigate that if Congress requests them to ... and Congress is expected to make that request soon.
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Rohn Jambo
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The recording or transcription would be part of the evidence if there is a purjury investigation. I assume these were Hillary's conditions and announcing the interview a day in advance was just for show. No one would have known it even happened otherwise.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/7/comey-fbi-didnt-put-clinton-under-oath/
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LBJ - 12 years in the House, 12 years in the Senate, WWII vet (not to mention being VP and President for a year).
And if you really want to get technical, I don't think you could argue with the fact that the most qualified presidential candidate was....Franklin Roosevelt...in 1944.
Rohn Jambo
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Obama was being sarcastic. Qualification was one of Hillary's key attacks when she ran against him in 2008.
timschochet
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Richard Nixon is IMO the most qualified ever. Hillary and George H W Bush tied for 2nd.
Nixon: World War II vet, worked for New Deal OPA, 4 years as the most visible Congressman in the House, 2 years as one of the most important senators, 8 years as Vice President but also as acting President during two Eisenhower heart attacks, plus he was an extremely involved VP (see Venezuela, debate with Khruschev, etc.) Even more than Hillary, Nixon was at the absolute center of Anerican political affairs for 20 years prior to his election to President.
Nixon: World War II vet, worked for New Deal OPA, 4 years as the most visible Congressman in the House, 2 years as one of the most important senators, 8 years as Vice President but also as acting President during two Eisenhower heart attacks, plus he was an extremely involved VP (see Venezuela, debate with Khruschev, etc.) Even more than Hillary, Nixon was at the absolute center of Anerican political affairs for 20 years prior to his election to President.
skol asylum
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I'll take judgment and character over resume anyday. Sorry Hillary, you come up extremely short.
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dparker713
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If you want to get technical, you can claim that Presidents are not presidential candidates.
SaintsInDome2006
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Tim we've covered this, at least half the nominees were more experienced than Hillary. Not to mention Comey just established Hillary had no clue what she was doing on her last job.
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Exactly. I posted the list of the last twenty or so candidates in this thread, and Hillary clearly fell in the bottom half. And really, I think we can summarily ignore anyone who claims Hillary has a better resume than GHWB had.
cobalt_27
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To be fair, Comey explained that his comment about her lack of sophistication was specifically related ONLY to her understanding of computers.
timschochet
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Comey established no such thing. Hillary's last job is measured by the relations between the US and the world during her tenure, not by how her emails were handled.
And your other statement is just completely wrong as well.
timschochet
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Good thing she is not measured by the lives lost/displaced/disrupted by her policies, huh?
I am trying to think if there is anyone, short of Muhammad, who has made a bigger mess of the Middle East.
shader
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I'd love to know more about this. I haven't spent a much time learning about who REALLY is responsible for the middle east, but I've seen plenty of accusations that Hilary is responsible for Libya/Syria, etc. If you've seen what's happened in those countries, it's flat-out awful. Syria especially went from a pretty solid country to a warzone. Was that really the fault of Hilary/Obama (he's the president after all)?
It's so hard to find objective information on subjects like that.
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