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You may know more about college basketball than most here but you understand very little about persuasion, negotiation, communication, or sales.
Maybe I do, maybe I don't.  In all likelihood you don't know anywhere near enough about me to make any of those calls.  

In the words of the wise Gregory House, everybody lies. You lie, your wife lies, your children lie, your colleagues lie, your boss lies, the media lies, politicians lie, poster in the FFA lie, moderators of FBG lie, I lie, Illary lies, Trump lies. Even Bill Self lies. Everybody lies.
Well aware of this.  Thought I made that clear in the post you quoted. 

Lying about a terrorist attack on a US Embassy, lying about sending/receiving classified information, lying about accepting money from foreign entities for special favors, lying about potentially terminal and/or degenerative diseases of the brain are not even comparable to Trump claiming that the NFL asked him to move a debate (which they likely did based on Trump's numbers in the primary debates).
I wasn't comparing the two.  My point was that Trump's propensity for lying is so ingrained he can't even tell the truth when there's nothing at stake. Of course Trump lies about the big stuff.  He's lying about the wall.  He has enough experience building stuff to know building such a wall isn't feasible, and he knows Mexico won't pay for it.  He lied about things that happened during his security briefings.  He's lied over and over and over again about his wealth and stewardship.  He's created such an intricate web of lies about his money he can't disclose financial information this generation of candidates have released without protest, and he lied about the reasons why he was unwilling to do so.  

Trump's lies are large, medium, small, and so voluminous the attempts to catalog them don't even look real.    

And Trump did lie about the NFL thing.  That's not in dispute.  His minions defend the action by saying he was joking, which isn't true, but whatever.  Presidential debates happen in the fall, and they choose evenings with high home viewership for the same reasons the NFL does.  It's not the first or last time it's happened.  Besides, if the NFL wanted the debates moved, they would have contacted the people producing and airing the debates, not one of the participants.  

The company he keeps are a bunch of liars, too.  They had to take his wife's website down because it contained too many lies about her work and education history to leave it available for scrutiny. He had to let go of the pastor that was killing it warming up the crowds at his rallies because he lied about going to seminary and being a member of a fraternity.  He's had to let go of two campaign managers over lies, and he can't officially hire the guy he wants running the campaign now because he's not far enough removed from getting fired from his last job over a series of sexual harassment incidents.  Within the last couple of days his daughter lied about a supposed lack of information on Clinton's website, information that has been there for over a year.    

Bruce ****, you are the master at catchy thread title updates and hot takes during college basketball season
You are not working from accurate information here.  I can't remember the last college basketball thread I started, much less made enough thread title updates to become master class at it.  You have me confused with someone else.  And I'm a connoisseur of hot takes, not a maker of them.  

You are an amateur when it comes to awareness of what is happening in this election cycle. 
Well, I'm trying to preserve my amateur status so I can compete in Election Cycle Awareness in the next Olympics.  But overall it appears you're confusing disagreement with ignorance, and rushing to judgement awfully quickly given how little you know about me.  

In fact, you are lying to yourself, for whatever reason.
That's not true.  Not sure how I can prove it to you, especially given how hastily you've made generalizations about stuff on little info, and couldn't get the stuff right in areas where you have a lot of info that isn't in dispute.  So I guess I'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, since any effort to get you to admit you were wrong about anything is wasted time.  

 
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One last nugget before bed:

Illary has dropped 19% in the polls in DC (aka White Supremacist Capital of Amphibians) in the past WEEK:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/district-of-columbia/

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48%


22%


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Clinton +26


Clinton +25
I hope you Illary shills have the stamina and commitment to keep this thread alive as she continues to crash and burn. 

 
I don't think it's reasonable to assume that Hillary Clinton is corrupt. There's been over 2 decades of charges against her by her enemies yet every one of them has been debunked. Excessive charges without any proof doesn't mean anything.
Ludicrous.  The triangle between State, Foundation and Teneo is inherently corrupt.  The DNC operating model between when DWS was installed and removed was corrupt.  Her speaking engagements with big money and the expectations of quid pro quo was corrupt.  Cattle Futures, Travelgate, Bill pardoning criminals and terrorists in exchange for Hillary donations and voting blocks is corrupt.  Even hiding and lying about her health is corrupt. All this before you get into the email and her role and her entire office's orchestrated efforts to obstruct and bury truth.

I think she's going to lose thing, and it will be because of people like you who try to shame people who see what's gone on and can't recognize that she represents the worst in establishment politics and no one outside of zealots ever wanted her.  

On the upside, she and the Dems are so corrupt they may just have rigged voting in enough swing states to eek it out despite polls.  So you have that going for you.

 
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I thought those Powell emails were on federal email systems, no???
I think he had his personal e-mails on a different server than the classified material.

The ones about Trump being a national disgrace and international pariah would probably fall into the former category.

 
I think he had his personal e-mails on a different server than the classified material.

The ones about Trump being a national disgrace and international pariah would probably fall into the former category.
Hillary could have written an email like that one from Powell as SOS, even on the official system, and it would not be a public record, it has nothing to do with any public issue.

 
This is election is so surreal. Best case is that one of the VP candidates takes over ASAP and is one and done while both parities reset with moderate options who aren't criminals.  Meanwhile, I hope there's a meaningful attempt to stand up a competitive third and forth party.  Two party politics has reached the end of its road if we actually intend to evolve and compete as a nation.  

Health issues with Hillary have actually been reassuring for me.  I don't wish her I'll, honestly.  But the health issues of a single indiviudal pale in comparison to the health and morale of a nation, and it gives me some hope that a long national nightmare may end and we can reset around Kaine and start to move on and heal.

Whether it's from health or scandal, I certainly don't expect Hillary to serve 4 years if elected, so earlier she goes the better.   

 
Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks is probably more aware of this situation than you are.
Cenk Uygur is one of the shining examples of liberal media bias.  So...yeah...you're not really helping.  Not surprised you follow like a sheep.

 
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Hillary could have written an email like that one from Powell as SOS, even on the official system, and it would not be a public record, it has nothing to do with any public issue.
Not sure about the public part or Clinton, was just referring to Powell. He employed different systems for personal and classified e-mails? 

 
NYT poll - it's 42/42.

Have we discussed that Hillary's a flawed candidate?
It's like the end of the spelling bee in Bad Words when both Guy and Chaitanya are purposely spelling the words wrong in order to get the other one to win the contest.  

FYI - If you haven't seen Bad Words, which stars Jason Bateman as a 40 year old participating in a kid's spelling bee you really should as it is a great movie.

 
Not sure about the public part or Clinton, was just referring to Powell. He employed different systems for personal and classified e-mails? 
Yes Powell had two different systems. He did use .gov. At the time State had no means to email outside State so he advocated his department using personal email for outside communications, which he also did. The rules on this changed in 2005.

 
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It's like the end of the spelling bee in Bad Words when both Guy and Chaitanya are purposely spelling the words wrong in order to get the other one to win the contest.  

FYI - If you haven't seen Bad Words, which stars Jason Bateman as a 40 year old participating in a kid's spelling bee you really should as it is a great movie.
I did see that ending, much more likeable characters involved though. This feels more like a Danny McBride series where he's bound and determined not to let anyone be a bigger ******* than he is.

 
I don't want to derail the thread with it. I've been pretty clear about my views on this issue at some length in this forum. 
:lmao:

Have you read the crap that's been posted in here over the last couple days? We've got a guy with a pepe the frog meme as his avatar claiming Trump only trails by 7 in DC.  We've got a guy hoping for Clinton's death. We've got people arguing with a straight face that a lifelong misogynist who ran the Miss Universe pageant, fat-shames women all the time, thinks changing diaper's is woman's work, and attacked a female GOP primary candidate on her looks is better for women than a woman who's spent 40 years fighting a long list of battles on behalf of women and children.

We can't even see the rails from here.

 
Powell did use both the federal email system and a private email (on a non-private server), unlike Hillary. 
Items subject to FOIA request are driven off the system, not the content of the email message, correct?  So, if I send a "private" email about my pant suites to my seamstress on a public system, for FOIA purposes, it's not private, correct?  That's how this works downstream in other FOIA cases I have watched in the past.

So my question is, are these emails we are reading from Powell the ones that were on federal servers or ones from an actual private account like AOL or gmail or some such?

 
Items subject to FOIA request are driven off the system, not the content of the email message, correct?  So, if I send a "private" email about my pant suites to my seamstress on a public system, for FOIA purposes, it's not private, correct?  That's how this works downstream in other FOIA cases I have watched in the past.

So my question is, are these emails we are reading from Powell the ones that were on federal servers or ones from an actual private account like AOL or gmail or some such?
No, it should be driven by the issue, which must be public. For instance State sent ~1,000+ emails back to Hillary as private.

The hacked Powell emails we are seeing are from 2014. It's not clear if he was hacked or Leeds but they are both private accounts.

 
:lmao:

Have you read the crap that's been posted in here over the last couple days? We've got a guy with a pepe the frog meme as his avatar claiming Trump only trails by 7 in DC.  We've got a guy hoping for Clinton's death. We've got people arguing with a straight face that a lifelong misogynist who ran the Miss Universe pageant, fat-shames women all the time, thinks changing diaper's is woman's work, and attacked a female GOP primary candidate on her looks is better for women than a woman who's spent 40 years fighting a long list of battles on behalf of women and children.

We can't even see the rails from here.
Good point. 

 
Hillary returns to the campaign trail today. Hopefully she will appear healthy. She needs to fight now because this is getting scary. 

 
Hillary returns to the campaign trail today. Hopefully she will appear healthy. She needs to fight now because this is getting scary. 
Well we should be fine so long as she is being honest about her condition. No way she would ever be that selfish to lie about it considering who she's running against.

 
Items subject to FOIA request are driven off the system, not the content of the email message, correct?  So, if I send a "private" email about my pant suites to my seamstress on a public system, for FOIA purposes, it's not private, correct?  That's how this works downstream in other FOIA cases I have watched in the past.

So my question is, are these emails we are reading from Powell the ones that were on federal servers or ones from an actual private account like AOL or gmail or some such?
No, it should be driven by the issue, which must be public. For instance State sent ~1,000+ emails back to Hillary as private.

The hacked Powell emails we are seeing are from 2014. It's not clear if he was hacked or Leeds but they are both private accounts
So these were hacked emails? :lmao:   That makes squis' twitter regurgitation even more funny.  Yeah, the best way for Hillary to avoid being hacked is to put a server with virtually no security measures of any significance in her house behind her ComCast cable modem.

To the FOIA requests, I know there are like 8-9 exemptions, but one of those exemptions isn't met, it doesn't matter what the content is.  It falls under FOIA because it's residing on a gov't system....at least that's my understanding.

 
NYT poll - it's 42/42.

Have we discussed that Hillary's a flawed candidate?


No, we should definitely discuss it a lot more. I think being able to say "I told you so" to a bunch of strangers on the internet is way more important than trying to stop a bigoted buffoonish conspiracy theorist with no foreign policy experience and no intellectual curiosity from becoming president of the United States.

In all seriousness, this is not a bad poll for Clinton.  I expected a lot worse, as I explained yesterday:

Also remember that every poll that comes out today-Friday or so was taken at last partially over the last weekend, mostly after the Clinton fainting episode and the "deplorables" comment but before the Trump charity stuff, and the backlash on the deplorables comment where Trump people are now being asked whether some of their support really is deplorable (eg Pence on David Duke), and the reasonable explanations for Clinton's health. So it might get ugly for the next couple days.  But I'd say give it until a week or so from now before we start declaring Trump the frontrunner.
I honestly thought she'd be losing by 2-4 points, not tied in a four way poll- and leading in the same poll if it's two way (46-44) or if you use registered voters instead of likely voters (46-41). 

 
Hillary returns to the campaign trail today. Hopefully she will appear healthy. She needs to fight now because this is getting scary. 
It's been scary for like ten months now. And it won't stop being scary even if Clinton wins. There's another election in four years, and there's other stuff on the ballot this year and in two years, and the frightening number of people apparently willing to cast a ballot for Donald Trump (and the slightly less frightening but still disturbing number of people willing to let it happen because of relatively unimportant concerns about Clinton) aren't going anywhere.

 
I noticed you deleted the key word there, "relatively."

They are important concerns.  If Clinton were running against a Romney/Ryan or McCain/not Palin ticket they would be significant enough that I would expect people to give them a lot of weight.

She is running against Donald ####ing Trump, and she is the only person between him and the presidency.  However sleazy and corrupt you think she might be, he's sleazier and more corrupt and worse than her in a hundred other different ways.  Relatively speaking, they don't matter.

 
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It's been scary for like ten months now. And it won't stop being scary even if Clinton wins. There's another election in four years, and there's other stuff on the ballot this year and in two years, and the frightening number of people apparently willing to cast a ballot for Donald Trump (and the slightly less frightening but still disturbing number of people willing to let it happen because of relatively unimportant concerns about Clinton) aren't going anywhere.
We can't worry about it. One day at a time. Hopefully we can win this and then think about the future. 

 
In all seriousness, this is not a bad poll for Clinton.  I expected a lot worse, as I explained yesterday:

Also remember that every poll that comes out today-Friday or so was taken at last partially over the last weekend, mostly after the Clinton fainting episode and the "deplorables" comment but before the Trump charity stuff, and the backlash on the deplorables comment where Trump people are now being asked whether some of their support really is deplorable (eg Pence on David Duke), and the reasonable explanations for Clinton's health. So it might get ugly for the next couple days.  But I'd say give it until a week or so from now before we start declaring Trump the frontrunner.
I honestly thought she'd be losing by 2-4 points, not tied in a four way poll- and leading in the same poll if it's two way (46-44) or if you use registered voters instead of likely voters (46-41). 
Well I didn't say 'she's blowing it!' She's not. But IMO she shouldn't be here. I admit the inanity of this race is driving me crazy.

Seriously, she'll be fine. But she will have to ride out this storm, which will finally blow through when we have a reputable poll that fully starts and ends after this past Sunday.

 
Well I didn't say 'she's blowing it!' She's not. But IMO she shouldn't be here. I admit the inanity of this race is driving me crazy.

Seriously, she'll be fine. But she will have to ride out this storm, which will finally blow through when we have a reputable poll that fully starts and ends after this past Sunday.
It's absurd that the campaign is not able to extend the lead....can't get out of their own way and it's keeping Donald Trump in it....unreal. 

 
It's absurd that the campaign is not able to extend the lead....can't get out of their own way and it's keeping Donald Trump in it....unreal. 
Part of the problem is people like you who are planning to vote third party or stay home. The polls make it clear that Clinton does much better if you remove third party candidates or if you use a "registered voters" screen instead of "likely voters."

If that's the choice you and others who agree with your perspective choose to make, so be it. But it's a little disingenuous to then marvel at the consequences of that choice.

 
Part of the problem is people like you who are planning to vote third party or stay home. The polls make it clear that Clinton does much better if you remove third party candidates or if you use a "registered voters" screen instead of "likely voters."

If that's the choice you and others who agree with your perspective choose to make, so be it. But it's a little disingenuous to then marvel at the consequences of that choice.
The problem is on Hillary and not on those that choose not to vote for her. 

 
The problem is on Hillary and not on those that choose not to vote for her. 
That's not how democracy works.  Everything that happens is on all of us, just to varying degrees. 

If the racist, charity-scamming, misogynistic, buffoonish sack of lies and fake tanning spray that you favor wins the presidency, I'll share the blame for his election and everything that follows, because I didn't do enough to prevent it. I certainly won't bear as much of the blame as you would, because you're voting for him and try to convince others to do the same. And I probably won't bear as much of the blame as the people who sat out the election or voted third party either, because they likely did even less than I did to prevent it.  But we're all in this together, whether we like it or not.

 
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That's not how democracy works.  Everything that happens is on all of us, just to varying degrees. 
That is how democracy works. The freedom to vote or not vote for anyone you want. Just because someone doesn't vote for Hillary means they are part of the problem. That is just typical liberal elitist thinking. 

 
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