Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (9 Viewers)

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Washington Free Bracon is reporting that the FBI have seized 4 State Dept servers as part of it's investigation into Hillary's mishandling of classified information. If true that's quite the extension of the investigation. That's in addition to the expansion already underway to the second tech company.

The FBI is taking this investigation seriously and I don't believe is taking too kindly into Hillary brushing it off as some partisan attack over a trivial matter. That spin may work on her hardcore supporters, but it ain't flying elsewhere.

I wish they would just talk to BFS. THERE IS NOTHING HERE!

Does that article even make one specific accusation of wrong doing?

They are being checked by technical forensic analysts charged with determining how Top Secret material was sent to Clinton’s private email by State Department aides during her tenure as secretary from 2009 to 2013, said two people familiar with the probe.

That would be wrongdoing.

The FBI isn't updating the servers to Windows 10.

Shouldn't we wait until the FBI actually determines the answer to their question before running with the conclusion?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

 

[fourd]

Washington Free Bracon is reporting that the FBI have seized 4 State Dept servers as part of it's investigation into Hillary's mishandling of classified information. If true that's quite the extension of the investigation. That's in addition to the expansion already underway to the second tech company.

The FBI is taking this investigation seriously and I don't believe is taking too kindly into Hillary brushing it off as some partisan attack over a trivial matter. That spin may work on her hardcore supporters, but it ain't flying elsewhere.

I wish they would just talk to BFS. THERE IS NOTHING HERE!

Does that article even make one specific accusation of wrong doing?

They are being checked by technical forensic analysts charged with determining how Top Secret material was sent to Clinton’s private email by State Department aides during her tenure as secretary from 2009 to 2013, said two people familiar with the probe.

That would be wrongdoing.

The FBI isn't updating the servers to Windows 10.

Shouldn't we wait until the FBI actually determines the answer to their question before running with the conclusion?

Like you have?

 

[jon_mx]

Hillary Clinton doesn’t support revival of Glass-Steagall Act

 

[squistion]

Hillary Clinton doesnt support revival of Glass-Steagall Act

Why doesnt Hillary? "The big banks are not the only thing we have to worry about, Clinton said in Iowa Tuesday. "Ive studied this real closely, and what I am proposing is we go after the risk, and if they are too big to manage, that is a risk and they should not continue. If they are so big that they are causing disruptions on the marketplace, thats a risk."

Clinton continued, "If you only reinstate Glass-Steagall, you dont go after all these other institutions in what is called the shadow banking system hedge funds and other financial entities that have too much power in our economy. I have what I consider to be a more comprehensive approach to what we need to do to rein in these institutions, including the big banks."

 

[RCon]

I'm not happy about this. (TPP). Very disappointing.

What candidates now running on either side are in favor of TPP? (obviously Biden but he hasn't declared.) who else?

So you just decided to ignore all the posts a few weeks ago describing all the major problems with TPP? Or, despite those, you're still in favor because "Free Trade!!!!". I swear, we could write a bill deporting all illegals, and you would support it as long as we labeled it free trade.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I'm not happy about this. (TPP). Very disappointing.

What candidates now running on either side are in favor of TPP? (obviously Biden but he hasn't declared.) who else?

So you just decided to ignore all the posts a few weeks ago describing all the major problems with TPP? Or, despite those, you're still in favor because "Free Trade!!!!". I swear, we could write a bill deporting all illegals, and you would support it as long as we labeled it free trade.

I haven't paid close attention to the details of TPP, do you have a good link discussing the major problems you're talking about?

 

[timschochet]

I'm not happy about this. (TPP). Very disappointing.

What candidates now running on either side are in favor of TPP? (obviously Biden but he hasn't declared.) who else?

So you just decided to ignore all the posts a few weeks ago describing all the major problems with TPP? Or, despite those, you're still in favor because "Free Trade!!!!". I swear, we could write a bill deporting all illegals, and you would support it as long as we labeled it free trade.

I've looked into the major problems, along with the positives, and believe the latter outweigh the former.

 

[jon_mx]

I'm not happy about this. (TPP). Very disappointing.

What candidates now running on either side are in favor of TPP? (obviously Biden but he hasn't declared.) who else?

So you just decided to ignore all the posts a few weeks ago describing all the major problems with TPP? Or, despite those, you're still in favor because "Free Trade!!!!". I swear, we could write a bill deporting all illegals, and you would support it as long as we labeled it free trade.

I've looked into the major problems, along with the positives, and believe the latter outweigh the former.

So have you covered up your Hillary 2016 sticker with a Biden 2016 sticker yet?

 

[The Commish]

I feel like BFS is full on fishing at this point. The only explanation I can come up with for his comments in this thread.

Nope. Sorry that I don't subscribe to pre approved talking points to make things easier on you guys. However, since I'm way off the deep end it shouldn't be too difficult to make me look foolish with a decent rebuttal. I guess it could be considered fishing if I expected such a rebuttal, but I don't.

You haven't posed a problem making it "difficult" on me at all. You guys are wrapped up in semantics and "technicalities". I'm not. The discussion, for me, starts and stops with the decision to choose convenience (or whatever she's claiming the reason is today) over national security. She presented the opportunity for some significant problems. There's really no getting around that. Doesn't matter how many spin chambers you send it through.

I posted that comment because you are typically above the "well, they weren't technically....." nonsense that passes for an argument/reason/justification in politics today.

 

[Mister CIA]

Hillary bringing extreme, hard core fluff to the fight, I see.

 

[Rove!]

I came back into this thread to watch Tim's head explode over Hillary's position on TPP....

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hillary Clinton doesnt support revival of Glass-Steagall Act

Why doesnt Hillary? "The big banks are not the only thing we have to worry about, Clinton said in Iowa Tuesday. "Ive studied this real closely, and what I am proposing is we go after the risk, and if they are too big to manage, that is a risk and they should not continue. If they are so big that they are causing disruptions on the marketplace, thats a risk."

Clinton continued, "If you only reinstate Glass-Steagall, you dont go after all these other institutions in what is called the shadow banking system hedge funds and other financial entities that have too much power in our economy. I have what I consider to be a more comprehensive approach to what we need to do to rein in these institutions, including the big banks."

Like the hedge fund her son in law runs. His dad went to prison, right?

 

[RCon]

I'm not happy about this. (TPP). Very disappointing.

What candidates now running on either side are in favor of TPP? (obviously Biden but he hasn't declared.) who else?

So you just decided to ignore all the posts a few weeks ago describing all the major problems with TPP? Or, despite those, you're still in favor because "Free Trade!!!!". I swear, we could write a bill deporting all illegals, and you would support it as long as we labeled it free trade.

I haven't paid close attention to the details of TPP, do you have a good link discussing the major problems you're talking about?

Very negative towards the TPP: http://www.citizen.org/TPP

More balanced: https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp

"The TPP is not a trade agreement at all": http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/05/26/stop-calling-tpp-trade-agreement-it-isnt

 

[Slapdash]

Hillary Clinton doesnt support revival of Glass-Steagall Act

Why doesnt Hillary? "The big banks are not the only thing we have to worry about, Clinton said in Iowa Tuesday. "Ive studied this real closely, and what I am proposing is we go after the risk, and if they are too big to manage, that is a risk and they should not continue. If they are so big that they are causing disruptions on the marketplace, thats a risk."Clinton continued, "If you only reinstate Glass-Steagall, you dont go after all these other institutions in what is called the shadow banking system hedge funds and other financial entities that have too much power in our economy. I have what I consider to be a more comprehensive approach to what we need to do to rein in these institutions, including the big banks."

Glass Steagall was one important method that limited the risk that these "other financial entities" pose by preventing them from being a part of banks and having access to federal insurance. Additionally, Bill Clinton signed three very important bills as president that allowed banks to get this big in the first place.

She obviously has not studied this issue closely or objectively.

 

[Zegras11]

As for Biden, with every day he waits he loses more credibility....

So you read the Vox article?

Good article.The hatred by some toward Hillary Clinton, the double standard by which she gets treated differently than any other politician, has always been inexplicable to me. I'd hate to think sexism is at the root of it, but it's hard to come up with rational alternatives.

Let me help you, she sucks.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I feel like BFS is full on fishing at this point. The only explanation I can come up with for his comments in this thread.

Nope. Sorry that I don't subscribe to pre approved talking points to make things easier on you guys. However, since I'm way off the deep end it shouldn't be too difficult to make me look foolish with a decent rebuttal. I guess it could be considered fishing if I expected such a rebuttal, but I don't.

You haven't posed a problem making it "difficult" on me at all. You guys are wrapped up in semantics and "technicalities". I'm not. The discussion, for me, starts and stops with the decision to choose convenience (or whatever she's claiming the reason is today) over national security. She presented the opportunity for some significant problems. There's really no getting around that. Doesn't matter how many spin chambers you send it through.

I posted that comment because you are typically above the "well, they weren't technically....." nonsense that passes for an argument/reason/justification in politics today.

I already addresses decision being a poor one in that she should have reasonably expected leakage of classified information. However the national security threat of these e-mails seems vastly overstated at this point.

And I am not being political as Hillary is not my first choice. And I have always been one to stick with what we actually know and want to wait to see before jumping to conclusions. If that is being "technical" that is me.

Now I will still speculate. As of right now I suspect that around 10% of Hillary's 30,000 e-mails will be redacted mostly due to "executive privilege" carve outs, but some percentage will also have classified tidbits blanked out. That there will be a dozen or two e-mails tagged as secret or top secret. None will be a "classified document" with such markings or be cut and pasted in any significant manner from a classified document. And none of it put the national security at risk beyond being able to intercept the work schedules of Hillary and those she was meeting.

That the FBI is not fibbing when they claim to be above politics and that Hillary is not the target. I suspect that the State Department will complete its release by around the start of the year. Hillary's server will be found to have a mix bag of security features, but the companies that were hired will be found inadequate. But no specific "wrong doing" will be found with servers, etc. just not wise. I doubt that the AT&T e-mails will be found other than within the government already. I believe that if the deleted e-mails are found there will be some where honest, reasonable people could disagree were "work related" but no cover ups". I would hope that a judge would laugh those seeking to make the rest public out of court. All in all I believe that we are pretty much past the point where anything significant might pop up. The State Department has already converted everything to digital an responded to the Congressional inquiries. Of course the FBI may find something, including the deleted e-mails or poor general practices in relaying information that was sourced from classified systems, etc. but absent something new or that I completely overlooked this is a yawner when it comes to scandals. And while Hillary may have not "told the whole truth" she ultimately told the truth even if only by technicalities.

As that woman told Tim long ago - "It is Hillary!"

Oh and Hillary successfully "wiped" the e-mails where the State Department arranged with the Clinton Foundation the means to secure Bill interns during his international travels, or whatever else Saint's imagination is running with today.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I think thats a good, realistic summation about where this is headed.

I do think that misses the bigger picture though - the email "issue" really is just a proxy for why people do not like her.

Think of it like a lawyers general duty to avoid the appearance of impropriety. Clinton, the politician, has failed in that regard - from the moment she decided to set up her own server, to the moment she added other state department staff to that server, to how she has handled the issue since it was first reported in March, and just about every moment in between.

She may not have any hidden smoking guns on her server - but she has created the impression that she was hiding something.

When she says "90% of my emails were captured by the government server" she is saying - "Yeah, I know all my emails were not preserved, but I made sure most of them were."

And, when she says they were "preserved" she knows they were "preserved" in the least organized manner possible - only findable in the inboxes of her recipients, with no index of her actual recipients. So, she is playing very fast and loose with her document retention policies here - in a way that creates the appearance that she is trying to make it difficult to be transparent.

When she changes her story to match the facts as they are leaked - she may not be actually hiding anything, but she creates the appearance that she is hiding something. It resonates with voters that she is not trustworthy.

Elections are won by people who are likable - at the end of the day, Clinton may not be a crook, but she is also not likable. And, the more this story sticks around, it serves as a reminder as one of the reasons people don't like Clinton.

 

[The Commish]

I tend to agree that the emails are a yawner, and I suppose that's why her defenders rush to keep focus on the emails. They really aren't the biggest part of this. The technicalities run both ways though if you guys are going to go down that path. "Technically" that sort of information isn't to be running through AOL or Google mail servers. However, I have no energy or desire to even care about email content. I also agree that the national security threat the emails themselves pose is likely miniscule. It's the unsecured server that was out there for anyone and everyone to hack away at, that could in turn give one access to the State Department that bothers me. I don't even care if it was actually hacked. Providing it as a hacking option is enough for me.

Have a friend of mine who's almost at Tim's level of Hillary love....almost. He didn't understand my concern with the server thing, so I equated it to his bank account (as I've done here in the FFA before). I asked him if he'd be upset/concerned if he found out that a coding error by his bank exposed all the account numbers at said bank to the internet. He said of course. I said what about if no one tried to get to the accounts...would he still be upset? He said of course. I then asked him what the big deal was if no one actually tried to get the account numbers? That's where the conversation ended and the light bulb came on for him. He understands where I'm coming from now.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Mrs. Clinton was asked on PBS’s NewsHour whether the trade deal is “something you could support?”

Her reply: “What I know about it, as of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it. And there is one other element I want to make, because I think it’s important. Trade agreements don’t happen in a vacuum, and in order for us to have a competitive economy in the global marketplace, there are things we need to do here at home that help raise wages. And the Republicans have blocked everything President Obama tried to do on that front. So for the larger issues, and then what I know, and again, I don’t have the text, we don’t yet have all the details, I don’t believe it’s going to meet the high bar I have set.”

So she hasn’t seen the agreement’s text, and can’t speak to the details, but she’s against the deal because Republicans who haven’t held the White House in seven years haven’t raised wages.

"I don't know why I am opposed to TPP, but if Bernie is opposed, then so am I."

 

[The Commish]

Mrs. Clinton was asked on PBS’s NewsHour whether the trade deal is “something you could support?”

Her reply: “What I know about it, as of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it. And there is one other element I want to make, because I think it’s important. Trade agreements don’t happen in a vacuum, and in order for us to have a competitive economy in the global marketplace, there are things we need to do here at home that help raise wages. And the Republicans have blocked everything President Obama tried to do on that front. So for the larger issues, and then what I know, and again, I don’t have the text, we don’t yet have all the details, I don’t believe it’s going to meet the high bar I have set.”

So she hasn’t seen the agreement’s text, and can’t speak to the details, but she’s against the deal because Republicans who haven’t held the White House in seven years haven’t raised wages.

"I don't know why I am opposed to TPP, but if Bernie is opposed, then so am I."

I wonder if it's occurred to her that the republicans who are blocking everything are the same ones she's going to have to deal with. Been using them as a pretty big scapegoat recently.

 

[Chadstroma]

Mrs. Clinton was asked on PBS’s NewsHour whether the trade deal is “something you could support?”

Her reply: “What I know about it, as of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it. And there is one other element I want to make, because I think it’s important. Trade agreements don’t happen in a vacuum, and in order for us to have a competitive economy in the global marketplace, there are things we need to do here at home that help raise wages. And the Republicans have blocked everything President Obama tried to do on that front. So for the larger issues, and then what I know, and again, I don’t have the text, we don’t yet have all the details, I don’t believe it’s going to meet the high bar I have set.”

So she hasn’t seen the agreement’s text, and can’t speak to the details, but she’s against the deal because Republicans who haven’t held the White House in seven years haven’t raised wages.

"I don't know why I am opposed to TPP, but if Bernie is opposed, then so am I."

That kills me.

Her power hunger is showing.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Mrs. Clinton was asked on PBS’s NewsHour whether the trade deal is “something you could support?”

Her reply: “What I know about it, as of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it. And there is one other element I want to make, because I think it’s important. Trade agreements don’t happen in a vacuum, and in order for us to have a competitive economy in the global marketplace, there are things we need to do here at home that help raise wages. And the Republicans have blocked everything President Obama tried to do on that front. So for the larger issues, and then what I know, and again, I don’t have the text, we don’t yet have all the details, I don’t believe it’s going to meet the high bar I have set.”

So she hasn’t seen the agreement’s text, and can’t speak to the details, but she’s against the deal because Republicans who haven’t held the White House in seven years haven’t raised wages.

"I don't know why I am opposed to TPP, but if Bernie is opposed, then so am I."

I wonder if it's occurred to her that the republicans who are blocking everything are the same ones she's going to have to deal with. Been using them as a pretty big scapegoat recently.

Nope, Tim tells us that Clinton is best positioned to work with a Republican congress because, well, because she just is.

Besides, she doesn't really want to do anything as President, she just want to be President.

 

[dhockster]

Here's Hillary speaking in favor of TPP, 2011, again.

So what if she flip flops on all the positions you currently agree with her on? Does flip flopping become a concern then?

I see her moving left to try to stem some of Sanders momentum and win the nomination. When she probably gets the nomination, I will not be surprised at all when she moves back toward the center to try to win the General Election. I think her real problem is if Biden gets in. She still loses the far left votes to Sanders and she may lose a lot of the moderates to Biden. Then she may not have enough support to get the nomination.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Clinton loses another endorsement

"Secretary Clinton is like a leaky boat"

 

[squistion]

Clinton loses another endorsement

"Secretary Clinton is like a leaky boat"

OMG! She lost Clay Aiken!

 

[Ookie Pringle]

I tend to agree that the emails are a yawner, and I suppose that's why her defenders rush to keep focus on the emails. They really aren't the biggest part of this. The technicalities run both ways though if you guys are going to go down that path. "Technically" that sort of information isn't to be running through AOL or Google mail servers. However, I have no energy or desire to even care about email content. I also agree that the national security threat the emails themselves pose is likely miniscule. It's the unsecured server that was out there for anyone and everyone to hack away at, that could in turn give one access to the State Department that bothers me. I don't even care if it was actually hacked. Providing it as a hacking option is enough for me.

Have a friend of mine who's almost at Tim's level of Hillary love....almost. He didn't understand my concern with the server thing, so I equated it to his bank account (as I've done here in the FFA before). I asked him if he'd be upset/concerned if he found out that a coding error by his bank exposed all the account numbers at said bank to the internet. He said of course. I said what about if no one tried to get to the accounts...would he still be upset? He said of course. I then asked him what the big deal was if no one actually tried to get the account numbers? That's where the conversation ended and the light bulb came on for him. He understands where I'm coming from now.

That is great he has a light bulb that came on unlike Tim.....whose light bulb is never plugged in.

 

[Jamesbrownkid]

https://twitter.com/clayaiken/status/587336180284416000

 

[timschochet]

Clinton loses another endorsement

"Secretary Clinton is like a leaky boat"

OMG! She lost Clay Aiken!

The key is to hang on to David Archuleta. Adam Lambert is iffy. Chris Daughtry is a lock, though.

 

[DocHolliday]

Mrs. Clinton was asked on PBS’s NewsHour whether the trade deal is “something you could support?”

Her reply: “What I know about it, as of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it. And there is one other element I want to make, because I think it’s important. Trade agreements don’t happen in a vacuum, and in order for us to have a competitive economy in the global marketplace, there are things we need to do here at home that help raise wages. And the Republicans have blocked everything President Obama tried to do on that front. So for the larger issues, and then what I know, and again, I don’t have the text, we don’t yet have all the details, I don’t believe it’s going to meet the high bar I have set.”

So she hasn’t seen the agreement’s text, and can’t speak to the details, but she’s against the deal because Republicans who haven’t held the White House in seven years haven’t raised wages.

"I don't know why I am opposed to TPP, but if Bernie is opposed, then so am I."

I wonder if it's occurred to her that the republicans who are blocking everything are the same ones she's going to have to deal with. Been using them as a pretty big scapegoat recently.

Nope, Tim tells us that Clinton is best positioned to work with a Republican congress because, well, because she just is.

Besides, she doesn't really want to do anything as President, she just want to be President.

She wants to be President so she can keep gaining wealth as she has been doing with her positions of power for many years. She has never really worked but is extremely wealthy. Funny how that just happened. Seems like most folks should question that. That is one shady broad.

 

[squistion]

Mrs. Clinton was asked on PBSs NewsHour whether the trade deal is something you could support?

Her reply: What I know about it, as of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it. And there is one other element I want to make, because I think its important. Trade agreements dont happen in a vacuum, and in order for us to have a competitive economy in the global marketplace, there are things we need to do here at home that help raise wages. And the Republicans have blocked everything President Obama tried to do on that front. So for the larger issues, and then what I know, and again, I dont have the text, we dont yet have all the details, I dont believe its going to meet the high bar I have set.

So she hasnt seen the agreements text, and cant speak to the details, but shes against the deal because Republicans who havent held the White House in seven years havent raised wages.

"I don't know why I am opposed to TPP, but if Bernie is opposed, then so am I."

I wonder if it's occurred to her that the republicans who are blocking everything are the same ones she's going to have to deal with. Been using them as a pretty big scapegoat recently.

Nope, Tim tells us that Clinton is best positioned to work with a Republican congress because, well, because she just is.Besides, she doesn't really want to do anything as President, she just want to be President.

She wants to be President so she can keep gaining wealth as she has been doing with her positions of power for many years. She has never really worked but is extremely wealthy. Funny how that just happened. Seems like most folks should question that. That is one shady broad.

Perhaps being married to Bill might just have something to do with that.

 

[fourd]

Loos like everyone has a problem with her flip flops.

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/8/9477965/hillary-clinton-tpp

 

[timschochet]

So let me get this straight. Hillary Clinton was:

- a high powered attorney

-the most active First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt

-The writer of 3 books

-United States Senator for 8 years

- Secretary of State for 4 years

But she's "never really worked". Well, neither did Winston Churchill, by that definition.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So let me get this straight. Hillary Clinton was:

- a high powered attorney

-the most active First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt

-The writer of 3 books

-United States Senator for 8 years

- Secretary of State for 4 years

But she's "never really worked". Well, neither did Winston Churchill, by that definition.

He meant she has never worked in the private sector where she would make the kind of dough independent of their influence. Yes she was an attorney at Rose Law Firm repping clients regulated by her husband and she hauled in "fees" for doing a 20 minute spiel in front of corporations with business before the federal government.

 

[DocHolliday]

So let me get this straight. Hillary Clinton was:

- a high powered attorney

-the most active First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt

-The writer of 3 books

-United States Senator for 8 years

- Secretary of State for 4 years

But she's "never really worked". Well, neither did Winston Churchill, by that definition.

He meant she has never worked in the private sector where she would make the kind of dough independent of their influence. Yes she was an attorney at Rose Law Firm repping clients regulated by her husband and she hauled in "fees" for doing a 20 minute spiel in front of corporations with business before the federal government.

Thanks for clarifying Saints. Being a Senator, POTUS, and SOS is not going to get anyone as wealthy as the Clintons unless there is A LOT of money coming in from other places. Speaking engagements are the ticket I guess.

As a side note, I cannot imagine reading one of Hillary's books. Has to be painful. Should be a form of torture.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The claim of having "written" those books is kind of sketchy too. All politicians on that level publish books, and I'm sure Hillary has a team of aides, researchers and ghost writers doing that stuff. Also someone did an analysis of Hard Choices (cough) a while back and showed several parts were wholly lifted from speeches and prior campaign pieces.

 

[squistion]

Matt Taylor ‎@taylormattd

Benghazi committee tries to take out Hillary, takes out McCarthy instead

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'd call that beneficial self-inflicted collateral damage.

 

[jon_mx]

The House Select Committee on Benghazi will be making public next week new documents that demonstrate Sidney Blumenthal was seeking business in Libya as he was advising then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on U.S. policy in the country. According to a letter from Chairman Trey Gowdy to Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat on the committee, at least once Clinton sought to aid Blumenthal's business interests in Libya.

The 13-page letter also details new concerns about compromised security on Clinton's email, noting that in one unsecured email Blumenthal appears to name a top CIA source in Libya --a revelation that could compromise the safety of that source if it became known publicly

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/benghazi-committee-clinton-sought-blumenthal-advice-libya_1042610.html

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Good to see Hillary pushing government policy to profit her close friends while having complete disreguard for the safety of our people.....nothing to see here. drip....drip....drip....

 

[jon_mx]

White House Touts Biden as Hillary Clinton Diverges From Obama

• By
• CAROL E. LEE

As Hillary Clinton has increasingly distanced herself from the president she used to work for, the White House has played up Vice President Joe Biden, who is considering a challenge to the Democratic front-runner in the 2016 Democratic primary.

Mrs. Clinton has distanced herself from President Barack Obama in several ways over the past week or so – most recently on Wednesday in opposing his trade agenda. At the same time, White House press secretary Josh Earnest on Wednesday played up an ad by a pro-Biden super PAC that was unveiled this week and is to run next week during the first Democratic debate.

Mr. Earnest said he “found it compelling,” and called Mr. Biden “a genuinely inspirational figure.”

“You don’t serve in the United States Senate for multiple decades and rise to the position of vice president of the United States without having a powerful story to tell,” Mr. Earnest said of Mr. Biden.

Mrs. Clinton, in her diversions from Mr. Obama’s policy, could be creating a path for Mr. Biden to run as the candidate who is there to secure the Obama legacy.

“Vice President Biden’s personal story is as powerful as any story in American politics. And he also has a uniquely powerful way of telling that story, and using it to inspire other people,” Mr. Earnest said.

Mr. Earnest, who makes a point to note that he has not paid attention to certain public comments, including those of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last week at the United Nations, went on about his views of the ad he had watched on Mr. Biden.

“I thought that was — what I was most struck by is the — in that ad, and I think what made it particularly effective is they used the words of Vice President Biden,” Mr. Earnest said.

Not everyone in Obama world agreed.David Axelrod, a former White House senior adviser and longtime political ally of Mr. Obama, deemed the ad tasteless. Mr. Axelrod’s view was that it exploited tragedies the vice president had been through years ago.

“It wasn’t somebody else telling his story; it’s him telling his own story. And what was powerful about it was he was telling that story in a way to inspire other people. And he was speaking at the commencement exercises at Yale, earlier this year, I believe.”

Either way, it made a splash for Mr. Biden, who is expected to soon make a decision on whether to mount a candidacy against Mrs. Clinton.

Won't be too long before Biden announces and the inevitable endorsement by Obama will soon follow. $$$$350$$$$

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

In retrospect I think Hillary's divergence from the administration was probably calculated some time back because she knew Biden would be getting in and he would be carrying the third term mantle, hence she got out ahead of the ballgame.

 

[squistion]

In retrospect I think Hillary's divergence from the administration was probably calculated some time back because she knew Biden would be getting in and he would be carrying the third term mantle, hence she got out ahead of the ballgame.

I enjoy watching all your contortions trying to reconcile your prior predictions that Hillary would come out in favor of both Keystone and TPP, because of donations to the Foundation and Hillary being beholden to corporate interests, who supposedly own this corrupt and unprincipled woman.

That was then and this was now. Latest spin: A shrewd "calculated" move because she "knew Biden would be getting in" and this was her plan all along!

 

[Sand]

So is the TPP public yet so politicians/citizens can actually see what's in it to decide whether it's awesome or it sucks?

 

[squistion]

So is the TPP public yet so politicians/citizens can actually see what's in it to decide whether it's awesome or it sucks?

No, the complete final text has not been released yet, that was why Hillary was not unequivocal in her opposition.

Edited to correct "not unequivocal in her support" to "not unequivocal in her opposition."

 

[Sand]

So is the TPP public yet so politicians/citizens can actually see what's in it to decide whether it's awesome or it sucks?

No, the complete final text has not been released yet, that was why Hillary was not unequivocal in her support.

I hadn't heard that - so Hillary is not against the TPP, but just waiting to see the final text?

 

[TheAristocrat]

So let me get this straight. Hillary Clinton was:

- a high powered attorney

-the most active First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt

-The writer of 3 books

-United States Senator for 8 years

- Secretary of State for 4 years

But she's "never really worked". Well, neither did Winston Churchill, by that definition.

"high powered"

"most active"

"writer"

ETA: And a marriage of power for the rest of her stupid crap.

 

[squistion]

So is the TPP public yet so politicians/citizens can actually see what's in it to decide whether it's awesome or it sucks?

No, the complete final text has not been released yet, that was why Hillary was not unequivocal in her support.

I hadn't heard that - so Hillary is not against the TPP, but just waiting to see the final text?

No, she is against it. I misspoke above, meant to say she was not unequivocal in her opposition (which I have corrected in my original post) pending the release of the final text.

 

[jon_mx]

In retrospect I think Hillary's divergence from the administration was probably calculated some time back because she knew Biden would be getting in and he would be carrying the third term mantle, hence she got out ahead of the ballgame.

I enjoy watching all your contortions trying to reconcile your prior predictions that Hillary would come out in favor of both Keystone and TPP, because of donations to the Foundation and Hillary being beholden to corporate interests, who supposedly own this corrupt and unprincipled woman.That was then and this was now. Latest spin: A shrewd "calculated" move because she "knew Biden would be getting in" and this was her plan all along!

And by 'all conservatives' you mean there was one? Could you and Tim maybe be a little less obvious about having your nose completely up Killay's enormous butt? And that spin you speak of is coming from the left who is highly skeptical oh Hillary's motives on this.

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2015/10/08/supercut-hillary-clinton-was-for-the-tpp-trade-agreement-before-she-was-against-it/

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/08/cnn-guest-hillary-clintons-change-on-tpp-is-a-transparently-political-pandorama-video/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/07/hillary-clintons-opposition-to-tpp-is-a-sign-of-just-how-worried-she-is-about-bernie-sanders/

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/08/audio-former-hillary-aide-talked-up-tpp-deal-the-day-before-hillary-opposed-it/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/08/hillary-clintons-tpp-flip-flip-annotated/

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/campaign-2016-hillary-clintons-fake-populism-is-a-hit-20150416

 

[The Commish]

So is the TPP public yet so politicians/citizens can actually see what's in it to decide whether it's awesome or it sucks?

No, the complete final text has not been released yet, that was why Hillary was not unequivocal in her support.

I hadn't heard that - so Hillary is not against the TPP, but just waiting to see the final text?

no....she's against it.....for now.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Hillary's favorite footwear?

Flip-Flops