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timschochet said:
There aren't any facts in anything you posted that proves it's a "slush fund". Lots of suppositions by mostly partisan sources. So far as I know, Hillary has never made a penny off of the Clinton Foundation. If you have any proof otherwise, please show your work. Otherwise, it's nothing more than a fabrication like 99% of all the other so-called "scandals" involving Hillary.
No facts? What the #### articles did you read? They were loaded with facts. You make some ####### claim about how charitable and selfless the Clinton Foundation is. I laid out articles which point out how pathetic it is using less than 10 percent of its revenues for charitable causes. Much more of the money is spent on travel and rent. The majority of expenditures fall into the infamous category of 'other expenses' whatever that is suppose to mean.

As far as being from partisan sources, the brunt of my statement as far as it being a slush fund is the words of a non-partisan watchdog group called the Sunshine Foundation.

There were numerous other instances such as business after business after business after business giving large donations to this fund just as they happen to have pending business with Hillary's State Department. Every damn thing that lady does is so shady and lacks transparency.

Yeah, everybody doesn't want Hillary to become President, jut because she is a woman. There is no other explaination. :lmao:

 
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http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/hillary-nightmare-gennifers-back/

For the first time since Hillary Clinton announced her candidacy for president, Bill Clinton’s notorious mistress for 12 years, Gennifer Flowers, is now speaking out, calling Hillary’s bid to run in part on women’s issues “a joke.”
“She always got things on the back of her husband. … I think it’s a joke that she would run on women’s issues.”

Flowers used the interview to drop a few new bombshells, including revealing for the first time she has something incriminating on Bill Clinton locked in a safety deposit box; mysterious contents she said the Clintons know she possesses and that she has used to ensure her “safety.”

 
Flowers used the interview to drop a few new bombshells, including revealing for the first time she has something incriminating on Bill Clinton locked in a safety deposit box; mysterious contents she said the Clintons know she possesses and that she has used to ensure her “safety.”
Huh.

 
Flowers used the interview to drop a few new bombshells, including revealing for the first time she has something incriminating on Bill Clinton locked in a safety deposit box; mysterious contents she said the Clintons know she possesses and that she has used to ensure her “safety.”
Huh.
Yes, of course she does...
Is there still a person on earth who doesn't believe Bill slept with Flowers?

 
Can the Dems be happy going with a candidate with favorability number like this? Not that Trump is much better. I really don't recall an election with two more unfavorable front runners.


Poll: Only 33% of people view Hillary Clinton favorably
By BARBARA BOLAND (@BBATDC)10/11/15 4:14 PM

Only 33 percent of people view Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton favorably, a new CBS poll found. The Democratic front-runner also has a record high 53 percent unfavorability rating. 61 percent of voters also say Clinton is not honest.

Asked about Clinton's use of a personal server and email address during her tenure at the State Department, 71 percent of registered voters said this was not appropriate and 59 percent were dissatisfied with the explanations she has given.

Despite her high unfavorability ratings, Clinton continues to retain the lead in this poll, which found that she is 19 points ahead of Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.

If Vice President Joe Biden does not enter the race, Clinton's lead over Sanders grows, the poll released Sunday found.
 
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Can the Dems be happy going with a candidate with favorability number like this? Not that Trump is much better. I really don't recall an election with two more unfavorable front runners.


Poll: Only 33% of people view Hillary Clinton favorably
By BARBARA BOLAND (@BBATDC) 10/11/15 4:14 PM

Only 33 percent of people view Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton favorably, a new CBS poll found. The Democratic front-runner also has a record high 53 percent unfavorability rating. 61 percent of voters also say Clinton is not honest.

Asked about Clinton's use of a personal server and email address during her tenure at the State Department, 71 percent of registered voters said this was not appropriate and 59 percent were dissatisfied with the explanations she has given.

Despite her high unfavorability ratings, Clinton continues to retain the lead in this poll, which found that she is 19 points ahead of Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.

If Vice President Joe Biden does not enter the race, Clinton's lead over Sanders grows, the poll released Sunday found.
It's all part of the plan. You'll see.

 
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Came across this clip of Clinton in a debate in 2008 - question from a voter about the discrepancy in her version of going to Bosnia (under sniper fire).

Holy crap, does her response (starting at 1:06) sound familiar?

She has that sound bite down to a science.

 
Tim, you should give Lincoln Chaffee a long look. I think you would agree with him on a great number of issues...

 
I have a question for the pro & con Hillary crowds on the email issue, and the undecideds too if there are any:

- If the prospects for the DOJ actually doing something serious about Hillary's email er "situation" are remote, that is if you expect that they are going to go lightly on her or just sit on the case and do nothing, or perhaps if you think she did nothing wrong or improper at all...

...then why have they expanded the investigation to the backup vendor Datto and the State Department servers?

Seems to me that if they weren't planning on doing anything, or if the data were really say harmless, they wouldn't be doing this.

Thoughts?

 
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I have a question for the pro & con Hillary crowds on the email issue, and the undecideds too if there are any:

- If the prospects for the DOJ actually doing something serious about Hillary's email er "situation" are remote, that is if you expect that they are going to go lightly on her or just sit on the case and do nothing, or perhaps if you think she did nothing wrong or improper at all...

...then why have they expanded the investigation to the backup vendor Datto and the State Department servers?

Seems to me that if they weren't planning on doing anything, or if the data were really say harmless, they wouldn't be doing this.

Thoughts?
It's the dog and pony show that is Washington. We have to keep up appearances don't we? Besides, unless we are bleeding money, there's really no way we can dig deeper into the debt hole.

 
I'm very interested in the debate tomorrow and really hope Dana Bash is allowed to ask a lot of questions as she is by far the best of the folks on CNN.

 
Tim, you should give Lincoln Chaffee a long look. I think you would agree with him on a great number of issues...
I'm sure I'll agree with him a lot. And with Webb. And there are several Republicans I agree with a lot.

But let's be real here. The Democratic nominee is going to be either Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, with an outside shot of Joe Biden. So those are the ones to concentrate on. No offense to Chaffee, O'Malley, or Webb, but they're wasting our time being up there.

 
I have a question for the pro & con Hillary crowds on the email issue, and the undecideds too if there are any:

- If the prospects for the DOJ actually doing something serious about Hillary's email er "situation" are remote, that is if you expect that they are going to go lightly on her or just sit on the case and do nothing, or perhaps if you think she did nothing wrong or improper at all...

...then why have they expanded the investigation to the backup vendor Datto and the State Department servers?

Seems to me that if they weren't planning on doing anything, or if the data were really say harmless, they wouldn't be doing this.

Thoughts?
Have no idea. I would guess (and that's all it is) is that they're trying to be thorough. I am 99% confident that nothing will ever come of this.

 
During the debate tomorrow night, a question will be raised about college education. Bernie will say that he is for paying for everyone's tuition. Hillary will respond that those who want to go to college and cannot afford it should be helped with their tuition, and that existing college loans should be alleviated, but that rich people in our society should not have their college paid for.

This sort of distinction is what should win the debate for Hillary.

 
During the debate tomorrow night, a question will be raised about college education. Bernie will say that he is for paying for everyone's tuition. Hillary will respond that those who want to go to college and cannot afford it should be helped with their tuition, and that existing college loans should be alleviated, but that rich people in our society should not have their college paid for.

This sort of distinction is what should win the debate for Hillary.
Why would he say this when it's not his position (at least as you've presented it here).

 
Sinn Fein said:
fourd said:
Bernie has stepped up and offered her a ticket to the debate from his camp.
Nice move.

It's incredible the DNC would be so blatantly one sided as to disinvite a DNC Vice Chairwoman. And really many people who are pro-Hillary think it would be better for her to have more debates.
:oldunsure:

 
timschochet said:
During the debate tomorrow night, a question will be raised about college education. Bernie will say that he is for paying for everyone's tuition. Hillary will respond that those who want to go to college and cannot afford it should be helped with their tuition, and that existing college loans should be alleviated, but that rich people in our society should not have their college paid for.

This sort of distinction is what should win the debate for Hillary.
That is a distinction without substance. And, its also not the kind of point that "wins" debates.

Taking off my Bernie-colored glasses for a moment - but I will be shocked if Hillary "wins" the debate. Simply put, everyone thinks they know Clinton, and nothing she says tomorrow is likely to change opinions. She has co-opted most of Sanders' positions, so, on the issues, little differences, like you pointed out above, will carry little weight - not enough to declare her the "winner". And, then she will have to combat Sanders' consistency on those issues with her own evolution - and she really has no answer, other than to acknowledge Sanders was right all along.

Now, having said that - Sanders can lose the debate if he falters somewhere. Based on what I have seen from Sanders on the stump, and in front of the press, this seems unlikely.

The most likely outcome is probably a "draw" - but that really helps Sanders, as his goal here is to broadcast his message to a broader audience. Sanders has momentum and enthusiasm on his side, so when Clinton says she essentially agrees with Sanders on most major issues - that lends credence to Sanders as a candidate, and he will likely be perceived as more likable and trustworthy.

 
Sinn Fein said:
fourd said:
Bernie has stepped up and offered her a ticket to the debate from his camp.
Nice move.

It's incredible the DNC would be so blatantly one sided as to disinvite a DNC Vice Chairwoman. And really many people who are pro-Hillary think it would be better for her to have more debates.
:oldunsure:
Ok maybe I shouldn't have said "many". It's something I read a while back about party leaders in NH who were actually pro-Hillary who felt she would be helped by more debates. I can say nice things about Hillary (yes) and given the right format she can be good in debate. If it's a position point debate with little give and take then she can do very well. She's disciplined and prepared. And while she doesn't have Bill's skills or empathy talent she does know pathos and does that extremely well.

But IMO if she does take a hit in one of these debates it will be a long time before the next one and the sting will linger.

 
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If it's a "talking points memo town hall" where there isn't comparison and contrast, I believe she could manage her way through getting all the talking points out there. If there's an actual debate, I just don't see it and I don't know why anyone who supports her would think otherwise.

 
timschochet said:
During the debate tomorrow night, a question will be raised about college education. Bernie will say that he is for paying for everyone's tuition. Hillary will respond that those who want to go to college and cannot afford it should be helped with their tuition, and that existing college loans should be alleviated, but that rich people in our society should not have their college paid for.

This sort of distinction is what should win the debate for Hillary.
This post is wrong for several reasons.

1. This is a debate for the Dem primary, not the general election. I suspect the majority of likely primary voters agree with Sanders, not with Clinton.

2. Clinton's policy is economically inefficient and punitive. Means-tested assistance is proven to be inefficient, as it creates disincentives to earn more. Additionally, with regard to college tuition, means-tested assistance really punishes those just above the cut, as it's been proven that government assistance causes tuition to ise more than it would otherwise. That is, if we give assistance to those making less than $70K, we really screw over the guy making $71K because we just caused his tuition to go up.

 
timschochet said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I have a question for the pro & con Hillary crowds on the email issue, and the undecideds too if there are any:

- If the prospects for the DOJ actually doing something serious about Hillary's email er "situation" are remote, that is if you expect that they are going to go lightly on her or just sit on the case and do nothing, or perhaps if you think she did nothing wrong or improper at all...

...then why have they expanded the investigation to the backup vendor Datto and the State Department servers?

Seems to me that if they weren't planning on doing anything, or if the data were really say harmless, they wouldn't be doing this.

Thoughts?
Have no idea. I would guess (and that's all it is) is that they're trying to be thorough. I am 99% confident that nothing will ever come of this.
Sorry, but why do they need to be thorough? Why look for something that will be nothing?

 
timschochet said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I have a question for the pro & con Hillary crowds on the email issue, and the undecideds too if there are any:

- If the prospects for the DOJ actually doing something serious about Hillary's email er "situation" are remote, that is if you expect that they are going to go lightly on her or just sit on the case and do nothing, or perhaps if you think she did nothing wrong or improper at all...

...then why have they expanded the investigation to the backup vendor Datto and the State Department servers?

Seems to me that if they weren't planning on doing anything, or if the data were really say harmless, they wouldn't be doing this.

Thoughts?
Have no idea. I would guess (and that's all it is) is that they're trying to be thorough. I am 99% confident that nothing will ever come of this.
Sorry, but why do they need to be thorough? Why look for something that will be nothing?
You aren't talking to a rational person here. Hillary could murder babies on live tv and he would still support her.

 
timschochet said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I have a question for the pro & con Hillary crowds on the email issue, and the undecideds too if there are any:

- If the prospects for the DOJ actually doing something serious about Hillary's email er "situation" are remote, that is if you expect that they are going to go lightly on her or just sit on the case and do nothing, or perhaps if you think she did nothing wrong or improper at all...

...then why have they expanded the investigation to the backup vendor Datto and the State Department servers?

Seems to me that if they weren't planning on doing anything, or if the data were really say harmless, they wouldn't be doing this.

Thoughts?
Have no idea. I would guess (and that's all it is) is that they're trying to be thorough. I am 99% confident that nothing will ever come of this.
Sorry, but why do they need to be thorough? Why look for something that will be nothing?
Who knows? I'm not much of a "where's there's smoke there's fire" kind of guy. Let me know when they indict.

 
timschochet said:
During the debate tomorrow night, a question will be raised about college education. Bernie will say that he is for paying for everyone's tuition. Hillary will respond that those who want to go to college and cannot afford it should be helped with their tuition, and that existing college loans should be alleviated, but that rich people in our society should not have their college paid for.

This sort of distinction is what should win the debate for Hillary.
This post is wrong for several reasons.

1. This is a debate for the Dem primary, not the general election. I suspect the majority of likely primary voters agree with Sanders, not with Clinton.

2. Clinton's policy is economically inefficient and punitive. Means-tested assistance is proven to be inefficient, as it creates disincentives to earn more. Additionally, with regard to college tuition, means-tested assistance really punishes those just above the cut, as it's been proven that government assistance causes tuition to ise more than it would otherwise. That is, if we give assistance to those making less than $70K, we really screw over the guy making $71K because we just caused his tuition to go up.
1. I disagree. You, and several other people, continue to assume that the majority of primary voters in the Democratic party are deep progressives. This has certainly not proven to be true in the past, nor does polling anywhere outside of New Hampshire show it to be true now.

2. You're making a conservative argument against liberal thinking like what Hillary is proposing. I don't believe it's the sort of argument that would be made by someone on her left.

 
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is on pace to adopt rival Bernie Sanders’s positions on all major issues by noon on Thursday, Clinton campaign officials have confirmed.

Within minutes of Sanders’s entry into the Democratic race, Clinton released position papers on trade, income inequality, national defense, and the environment that meticulously aped the Vermont senator’s views on those matters.

Awaking at 8 A.M., Sanders, who had planned to run to the left of Clinton in 2016, discovered that, while he was sleeping, she had already begun running slightly to the left of him.

In an online video posted Thursday morning, Clinton welcomed Sanders to the race, adding, “To those who agree with Bernie Sanders on the issues, let me say this: I am Bernie Sanders.”

Sanders, who had scheduled a speech in Vermont for 11 A.M. on Thursday, cancelled it abruptly, saying, “Hillary already said everything I was going to say an hour ago.”

The Vermont politician told reporters that now he was unsure whether he would even continue with his campaign. “I don’t know anymore,” he said, visibly shaken. “I just don’t know.”
:lol:

 
timschochet said:
During the debate tomorrow night, a question will be raised about college education. Bernie will say that he is for paying for everyone's tuition. Hillary will respond that those who want to go to college and cannot afford it should be helped with their tuition, and that existing college loans should be alleviated, but that rich people in our society should not have their college paid for.

This sort of distinction is what should win the debate for Hillary.
This post is wrong for several reasons.

1. This is a debate for the Dem primary, not the general election. I suspect the majority of likely primary voters agree with Sanders, not with Clinton.

2. Clinton's policy is economically inefficient and punitive. Means-tested assistance is proven to be inefficient, as it creates disincentives to earn more. Additionally, with regard to college tuition, means-tested assistance really punishes those just above the cut, as it's been proven that government assistance causes tuition to ise more than it would otherwise. That is, if we give assistance to those making less than $70K, we really screw over the guy making $71K because we just caused his tuition to go up.
1. I disagree. You, and several other people, continue to assume that the majority of primary voters in the Democratic party are deep progressives. This has certainly not proven to be true in the past, nor does polling anywhere outside of New Hampshire show it to be true now.

2. You're making a conservative argument against liberal thinking like what Hillary is proposing. I don't believe it's the sort of argument that would be made by someone on her left.
1. I don't think one needs to be a "deep progressive" in order to agree with the Sanders position on this specific issue more than the Clinton position. I suspect a lot of "conservatives" agree with his position more than with Clinton's. Note the use of the phrase "more than".

2. This isn't a "conservative" argument. It's an economic argument. It has nothing to do with liberal vs. conservative.

 
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Is the casino still open? If so, I'll go for $100 too.
Yep, the last one. You should be careful about hitching your horse to Tim's misinformation.
OK. Thanks. I don't understand your confidence here regarding your prediction, but I will have no problem paying out promptly if you turn out to be right.
So, Timmy, Fennis and squistion have $100 each against jon_mx that Obama endorses Biden before the race for the nomination is decided.

How interesting.

:popcorn:
gett9ing nervous jon?

 
Is the casino still open? If so, I'll go for $100 too.
Yep, the last one. You should be careful about hitching your horse to Tim's misinformation.
OK. Thanks. I don't understand your confidence here regarding your prediction, but I will have no problem paying out promptly if you turn out to be right.
So, Timmy, Fennis and squistion have $100 each against jon_mx that Obama endorses Biden before the race for the nomination is decided.How interesting.

:popcorn:
gett9ing nervous jon?
Not really. The bet was for Obama to endorse any candidate before the nomination is locked up (in practical terms). An endorsement of Hillary before Super Tuesday would likely qualify. I still think Biden may run who Obama will almost certainly endorse early.

 
Interesting Take from Bill Curry, former White House counselor to President Clinton

The DNC screwed Hillary — now get ready for a Bernie Sanders earthquake

In essence, the DNC, by limiting debates, has kept Clinton from making her case and moving on from the email issues. Meanwhile, Sanders has managed to attract a large following without the benefit of a national debate.

Good article spelling out what each candidate has to do tomorrow night.
I agree with this.

 
The latest in Hillary's stated practice of allowing conflicts of interest within her State Dept. Administration.

Cheryl Mills was paid by NYU while she was also Hillary's chief of staff at State, while she personally negotiated with the UAE for the building of a new campus in its capital:

During her first four months at the State Department, Mills also held another high-profile job: She worked part time at New York University, negotiating with officials in Abu Dhabi to build a campus in that Persian Gulf city.

At the State Department, she was unpaid, officially designated as a temporary expert-consultant — a status that allowed her to continue to collect outside income while serving as chief of staff. She reported that NYU paid her $198,000 in 2009, when her university work overlapped with her time at the State Department, and that she collected an additional $330,000 in vacation and severance payments when she left the school’s payroll in May 2009.

The arrangement, which Mills discussed for the first time publicly in an interview with The Washington Post, is another example of how Clinton as secretary allowed close aides to conduct their public work even as they performed jobs benefiting private interests.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/while-at-state-clinton-chief-of-staff-held-job-negotiating-with-abu-dhabi/2015/10/12/e847b3be-6863-11e5-8325-a42b5a459b1e_story.html

I'm going to guess her role as chief of staff at State greatly helped in that endeavor.

- eta - Mills or Abedeen will likely be the next WH Chief of Staff by the way.

 
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The operative word is 'genuine,' I mean, whatever she does, she has to do it genuinely. She's on like double secret, super probation here when it comes to inauthenticity. And I don't think that the position she took on the Trans-Pacific Partnership the other day has helped in that regard because she's got dozens and dozens and dozens of comments on the record in support of this agreement and this process. And I'm sure she's going to get some barbed questions and comments on that in this debate.

She has to be very careful about not looking like she is not reading from a script.

...

So I just think the biggest thing they have to do is filter everything they do through that authenticity lens. Because if she comes off as inauthentic, it's going to just compound what seems to be the core problem facing her right now.
- David Axelrod on Hillary in the forthcoming debate.

 
Lots of truth to that, unfortunately.

As an aside, David Axelrod has very quickly become one of my favorite political analysts. Guy is extremely shrewd at noticing and explaining strengths and weaknesses of each candidate on either side.

 
Lots of truth to that, unfortunately.

As an aside, David Axelrod has very quickly become one of my favorite political analysts. Guy is extremely shrewd at noticing and explaining strengths and weaknesses of each candidate on either side.
Yep he's interesting, I agree. And he's a lot more straightforward than Karl Rove or Jim Carville, the prior svengalis in the WH.

 
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