Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

Prosecutors initially threatened to charge him with three felonies, including conspiracy, violating the Espionage Act and lying to the FBI.

 

Rick Klein Verified account ‏@rickklein 3h3 hours ago
"very likely" that Hillary Clinton will face questioning from FBI in coming weeks, @jonkarl reports @GMA

- Ok. So.

Who would believe that Hillary can do this and not lie? At all?

It would be hard enough to get her to do this about anything, like even the details of her secret cookie recipe or her yoga routines, but throw in something she's hiding and basically any sworn statement from Hillary is an automatic perjury trap. The feds already know the answers when they ask you the questions.

 

[Hang 10]

 
- Ok. So.

Who would believe that Hillary can do this and not lie? At all?

It would be hard enough to get her to do this about anything, like even the details of her secret cookie recipe or her yoga routines, but throw in something she's hiding and basically any sworn statement from Hillary is an automatic perjury trap. The feds already know the answers when they ask you the questions.

I'm sure she'll do her best not to lie. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I heard a great line on the radio this morning- the people like Mr. Ham who believe that this news means an indictment is coming are like Charlie Brown hoping Lucy will hold the football for him. 

Someone mentioned Capone earlier. I'll take a different tack. Back in the 20s and 30s guys like Dillinger and Capone became folk heroes because they evaded the law over and over and over again. They were doing bad things but good people were pulling for them. I think the Clintons have some of that going for them. I think everyone knows they are most elusive just when you think you have `em.

 

[pantagrapher]

I don't want to say Hitler.

But ... Hitler. She's Hitler.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I don't want to say Hitler.

But ... Hitler. She's Hitler.

Oh come on Pant we've seen this movie - you're gonna tell me you're not going to love it when they defeat those pesky VRWC'ers yet again?:




- I. Am. Bulletproof.

 

[BassNBrew]

BFS can speak for himself, but I'm not sure he's "pro" Hillary unless "hold your nose and vote for her because, well....trump" is "pro Hillary" now, which is entirely possible.  That's one way to get her favorability numbers up.

He's been supporting Hillary to the Bernie supporters so that makes him pro-Hillary in my book.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm sure she'll do her best not to lie. 

Yes, try, try, try, she must try.

 

[jon_mx]

I don't want to say Hitler.

But ... Hitler. She's Hitler.

  Finally someone gets it! 

 

[BassNBrew]

Pro-authoritarian is YOUR term. I deny it. 

So did the Germans.

 

[squistion]

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 1h1 hour ago

Per exit polls so far, % of party voters who would be satisfied with __ as their nominee:

Clinton 78%

Sanders 63

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Rubio 53

Cruz 51

Trump 48

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Per exit polls so far, % of party voters who would be satisfied with __ as their nominee:

Clinton 78%

Sanders 63

-

Rubio 53

Cruz 51

Trump 48

- Yep and I will add one more thing: Trump gives potential Hillary voters a reason for enthusiasm and to turn out, which frankly I think she was greatly lacking before.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Count me in the 22%, I guess. Satisfied is a pretty low bar, and I don't think she reaches even that bar. Sorry state of affairs.

 

[Hang 10]

What? Maybe I'm not understanding how these percentages are calculated. So someone goes in and votes for Hillary, Bernie, Trump, Cruz, etc and then when they're leaving the polls they get asked about each candidate and if they'd be satisfied if they were the nominee? So if a guy votes for Bernie and he gets asked if you'd be happy if he was the nominee. Then they ask the same guy would he be happy if Hillary was the nominee? Is that right?

 

[The Commish]

are questions like this even meaningful if we don't know how many people actually identify with the party?  In other words does it matter if 78% of those who still identify with being part of the democratic party like Hillary?  Those people are voting for the democrat option regardless and the number of people willing to identify with the party has been shrinking for some time.  It seems that we are getting to the point, on both sides, where those willing to identify with their respective party aren't all that great in number and are typically the shill types that vote the party over the individual.

 

[Aerial Assault]

What? Maybe I'm not understanding how these percentages are calculated. So someone goes in and votes for Hillary, Bernie, Trump, Cruz, etc and then when they're leaving the polls they get asked about each candidate and if they'd be satisfied if they were the nominee? So if a guy votes for Bernie and he gets asked if you'd be happy if he was the nominee. Then they ask the same guy would he be happy if Hillary was the nominee? Is that right?

Uh . . . yes?  Pretty much? 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Steven Myers of the NY Times joins the Morning Joe panel for discussing the implications of the most recent step forward in the FBI investigation.

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/joe-here-s-how-email-investigation-could-be-big-635722819530

 

[Aerial Assault]

I actually had one...about 2-3 dozen words/terms, but my hard drive crashed and I lost it

You did?  Not that I'm surprised, but that's creepy.  Thank your hard drive.  Maybe you should have backed it up with a private server.   

 

[The Commish]

You did?  Not that I'm surprised, but that's creepy.  Thank your hard drive.  Maybe you should have backed it up with a private server.   

Why creepy?  It helped me understand WTF Tim was saying.  It was a godsend.  It's not quite the acceptable "notebook" approach many employ, but it helped me get through his posts

 

[Hang 10]

Uh . . . yes?  Pretty much? 

IDK...I guess I just question the accuracy of those numbers. 

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

happier times

 

 

[Aerial Assault]

IDK...I guess I just question the accuracy of those numbers. 

Sure.  All of these exit poll questions and answers need a huge shaker of salt, as do these "entrance polls" we're now seeing more (read: too much) about.     But yeah, I've seen and done these exit polls and they can be quite involved.  Anyway, if you just use an apples-to-apples approach and assume that their methodology functioned well enough to be even barely valid for cross-party comparison, it doesn't say much for Trump.  I guess we knew that already, though. 

 

[Aerial Assault]

And, sorry, back to Hitler and Stalin and "the FOIA."  Thank goodness those guys didn't have e-mail.    

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

 

[squistion]

The Desert SunVerified account ‏@MyDesert 1m1 minute ago

Mitt Romney says Trump's nomination would hand the White House over to Hillary Clinton in the fall election. http://desert.sn/1QnL8p8

Let's hope so.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Let's hope so.

To be fair, he really expected to win on election day 2012 and was shocked when he didn't.

 

[squistion]

To be fair, he really expected to win on election day 2012 and was shocked when he didn't.

Including a lot of people in this forum, including HellToupee who was so humiliated after predicting Mitt's win up until the day of the election that he changed The Official Mitt Romney Bandwagon Thread title to something about Subway sandwiches.

 

[Aerial Assault]

To be fair, he really expected to win on election day 2012 and was shocked when he didn't.

Oh, the supercomputer!!  Thanks for that reminder.  Ahh, he must have junked that thing by now.   

In other news, Hillary and Huma's e-mails are cute. 

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Unskewed polls. Good times.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Grandma gets confused.

Well to be clear, grandmas working on 3 devices, with connectivity problems, hackers working for international intelligence services attacking her 2nd class unencrypted portal, handling WH foreign policy, attending to donors for her future presidential campaign, coordinating national health care policy, and choosing window treatments, all at the same time, get confused.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

happier times

 

"Trust us."

I'm guessing Mrs. Pagliano is not enjoying this one bit, I feel bad for the guy and her.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Including a lot of people in this forum, including HellToupee who was so humiliated after predicting Mitt's win up until the day of the election that he changed The Official Mitt Romney Bandwagon Thread title to something about Subway sandwiches.

Well TBF now it's the Trump thread.

 

[jon_mx]

happier times

 

Hillary always has those crazy-eyes going.  Bill looks like he is on his 6th beer.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Bryan Pagliano?

Grand Jury hearing?

Diverted secure info to an insecure server, password clearance given by Clinton...

Only thing I will say about this is we really don't know 95% of what the feds know. But if there is something more, like what you mention, like wholesale copying or access of data beyond the server or using the server for more than just email? That would be huge.

 

[squistion]

Well TBF now it's the Trump thread.

Only because HellToupee changed the thread title again to get on the Trump bandwagon, but the mods merged it with SIDA's thread before he could change it back, so he was stuck with it (although he tried unsuccessfully to do another bait-and-switch yesterday with the thread title which everyone ignored).

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The Desert SunVerified account ‏@MyDesert 1m1 minute ago

Mitt Romney says Trump's nomination would hand the White House over to Hillary Clinton in the fall election. http://desert.sn/1QnL8p8

Let's hope so.

- Let's face it, this has gone from a standard Clintonian campaign race - gosh how will they pivot? can they overcome scandal and investigation? - to their facing a GOP in a true civil war.

It's gone from this story of a flawed candidate who can't modulate or campaign well, to hey it doesn't matter how flawed she is, she's facing a candidate who will either have a good chunk of his party base reject him or who will himself run off as a 3rd party candidate.

It's almost silly to talk about the horse race right now, one horse may be a nag but the other one is lame.

 

[Skoo]

I'll start by saying I don't know if Hillary willfully broke the law or not.

But, let's not forget all the Benghazi hype. For months, every week something new came out that GOPers could latch onto as the final nail in the coffin that would end Hillary's career in government once and for all.

Then, of course, after months of investigations and millions of dollars of taxpayer money spent, they finally admitted it was all a wild goose chase.

 

[Gr00vus]

- Let's face it, this has gone from a standard Clintonian campaign race - gosh how will they pivot? can they overcome scandal and investigation? - to their facing a GOP in a true civil war.

It's gone from this story of a flawed candidate who can't modulate or campaign well, to hey it doesn't matter how flawed she is, she's facing a candidate who will either have a good chunk of his party base reject him or who will himself run off as a 3rd party candidate.

It's almost silly to talk about the horse race right now, one horse may be a nag but the other one is lame.

Yeah, if she can't win this one, she should probably hang 'em up. It'll never be easier than this.

 

[The Commish]

I'll start by saying I don't know if Hillary willfully broke the law or not.

But, let's not forget all the Benghazi hype. For months, every week something new came out that GOPers could latch onto as the final nail in the coffin that would end Hillary's career in government once and for all.

Then, of course, after months of investigations and millions of dollars of taxpayer money spent, they finally admitted it was all a wild goose chase.

Doesn't really matter does it?  All you need to know is she thought it was acceptable to put a server in her house and conduct federal business off of it.  More information towards her judgment and decision making ability.  End of story.

 

[The Commish]

I always wondered what it would take for Hillary to finally attain her lifelong goal of president, now I know.  Trump

 

[saintfool]

This, from Slate in September, might be why Pagiano wants immunity in exchange for any testimony:

Although Pagliano did list the $5,000 payment he received from the Clintons for “computer services” before joining the State Department in financial disclosure forms he filed in April 2009, he did not report any income from the family in subsequent years. The State Department has largely refused to answer questions on whether Pagliano’s situation was an open secret within the agency. Last month, an official said the State Department had “found no evidence” that Pagliano ever reported he had outside income.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Only because HellToupee changed the thread title again to get on the Trump bandwagon, but the mods merged it with SIDA's thread before he could change it back, so he was stuck with it (although he tried unsuccessfully to do another bait-and-switch yesterday with the thread title which everyone ignored).

One Thread to rule them all, One Thread to find them,
One Thread to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'll start by saying I don't know if Hillary willfully broke the law or not.

But, let's not forget all the Benghazi hype. For months, every week something new came out that GOPers could latch onto as the final nail in the coffin that would end Hillary's career in government once and for all.

Then, of course, after months of investigations and millions of dollars of taxpayer money spent, they finally admitted it was all a wild goose chase.

- This is borrowed from WaPo but I don't think they will 'admit it was all a wild goose chase.' There will be findings, there will be some sort of report or white paper, and it will almost certainly find wrongdoing and it will touch on Hillary. Now that does not necessarily mean criminal wrongdoing or not necessarily criminal wrongdoing on Hillary's part personally, but there will be a finding of wrongdoing.

Imagine yourself working on a project of any kind investigating and chasing data across multiple sites and involving dozens of persons and their data for more than a year, and imagine that's also splashed across the news and affecting an actual presidential campaign, you're going to say uh no, there is nothing here? No, the FBI, State Department, DOJ, federal courts in 50 cases, two IG's, and 17 intelligence agencies aren't wasting over a year and a half of their time (and counting) on a wild goose chase.

 

[Bogeys]

From one of my FB friends

 

[Hang 10]

From one of my FB friends

Get some new friends. 

 

[Phil Elliott]

Tim - You need to change the title of this thread to "It's Hillary and the GOP vs Trump".  

 

[Hov34]

I'm pretty sure Trump is running as a favor to the Clintons.  Right?   Right?

Right!!!?

 

[lod01]

Look at the pear shaped loser disrespecting Stacey Rosana.

After a brief conversation caught on video, Clinton could be heard exasperatedly telling Rosana, "Why don't you go run for something, then?" Rosana then walked off under the nervous gaze of Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton, who could be seen standing in the background, visibly uncomfortable.

Disgusting 'I'm in this for me and me only' attitude on display.

 

[whoknew]

Look at the pear shaped loser disrespecting Stacey Rosana.

After a brief conversation caught on video, Clinton could be heard exasperatedly telling Rosana, "Why don't you go run for something, then?" Rosana then walked off under the nervous gaze of Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton, who could be seen standing in the background, visibly uncomfortable.

Disgusting 'I'm in this for me and me only' attitude on display.

That's a ridiculously dumb thing to complain about. And just another example of people hating Hillary for no real reason.

Here's more on what actually happened (from your article):

When Rosana asked who specifically she was referring to, Clinton mentioned Abdi Warsame, the first Somali-American elected to the Minneapolis City Council, according to City Pages. Rosana responded inaudibly, shaking her head, to which Clinton replied, "You know what dear, you have a different opinion."

"He is a Somali-American elected to the city council," she said. "I'm really proud of that." Dayton, who was watching the exchange, stepped in at that point to tell Rosana that other people needed time to ask questions of Clinton.

The former secretary then ended the increasingly tense exchange, saying to Rosana, "Well, good. Good luck to you."

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Seems like Secretary Clinton was perfectly reasonable to me. I just don't get the hate for her. She's going to be a great President.

 

[Todem]

Look at the pear shaped loser disrespecting Stacey Rosana.

After a brief conversation caught on video, Clinton could be heard exasperatedly telling Rosana, "Why don't you go run for something, then?" Rosana then walked off under the nervous gaze of Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton, who could be seen standing in the background, visibly uncomfortable.

Disgusting 'I'm in this for me and me only' attitude on display.

And Trump's not? Both of them are a joke. But Trump's the bigger one. And so she is not allowed to put a young lady in her place? Like Trump putting everyone in their place it seems every time the guy opens his mouth?

Jeeeez.

 

[timschochet]

Here's a breakdown of why Trump has s very low chance of winning this election: 

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/could-donald-trump-win-the-general-election?intcid=mod-latest