Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (9 Viewers)

[Hang 10]

So she's the head of the state department but she doesn't decide if she's creating an email that should or shouldn't be classified? Gotta love bureaucracy.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

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No, Bill, you're doing it wrong, the swirl is counterclockwise.

 

[jon_mx]

I am not part of the defense team.  I am the jury!

And no, knowing that the authority to ultimately determine what was and what was not classified within the State Department does not require Hillary to declassify her emails and/or their content.

Information may have been classified by another department which she has no authority to declassify.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Am i the only one who gets annoyed to the highest level that whenever she defenders herself she always drags someone elses name into it? Im not the only one who did such and such, joe blow did it too. Every single thing, she has to drag someone else in as if it makes herself look better cause shes not the only dirtbag pertaining to a particular issue. 

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Going to need to know what she considers wealthy. 

I wish she would stick with Jr college being free 

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

[cstu]

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"So the Mexican said, 'I'll do it for $1!' "

 

[MaxThreshold]

Am i the only one who gets annoyed to the highest level that whenever she defenders herself she always drags someone elses name into it? Im not the only one who did such and such, joe blow did it too. Every single thing, she has to drag someone else in as if it makes herself look better cause shes not the only dirtbag pertaining to a particular issue. 

rest assured, you are not the only one.

 

[timschochet]

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TRUMP- I am an idiot, a racist, and a scumbag.

HILLARY- I agree, and someday I'm going to be embarrassed that I was in this photograph. 

BILL- As good a President as I was, my wife is going to be even better. 

MELANIA - He's a ########, but I married for money! 

 

[Christo]

Just saw my first Hillary TV commercial. It's gonna be a long, painful campaign season 

 

[timschochet]

Am i the only one who gets annoyed to the highest level that whenever she defenders herself she always drags someone elses name into it? Im not the only one who did such and such, joe blow did it too. Every single thing, she has to drag someone else in as if it makes herself look better cause shes not the only dirtbag pertaining to a particular issue. 

When she says that, it's not intended to degrade anybody else, it's intended to demonstrate that what she did wasn't wrong. 

 

[fruity pebbles]

When she says that, it's not intended to degrade anybody else, it's intended to demonstrate that what she did wasn't wrong. 

Wrong is wrong, no matter if someone else did it or not. Shes that annoying coworker, school mate, whomever that when theyre confronted on a wrong they throw someone else under the bus instead of just taking ownership. Its a very bad look and its one most can relate to. 

 

[Christo]

Wrong is wrong, no matter if someone else did it or not. Shes that annoying coworker, school mate, whomever that when theyre confronted on a wrong they throw someone else under the bus instead of just taking ownership. Its a very bad look and its one most can relate to. 

It's the same level of thinking as a fourth grader. But she did it too!!!!!!!!!

 

[saintfool]

A couple of weeks ago at the Nevada town hall she was saying free junior college. So she's continuing to inch towards Bernie's initial starting position. She's evolving!

Um, no. Obama launched an initiative last year that centered around 2 years of free community college tuition. That plan is based on something similar on TN.

 

[timschochet]

Wrong is wrong, no matter if someone else did it or not. Shes that annoying coworker, school mate, whomever that when theyre confronted on a wrong they throw someone else under the bus instead of just taking ownership. Its a very bad look and its one most can relate to. 

No that's not what she's saying. She's not throwing anyone under the bus, because she didn't do anything wrong. 

 

[Phase of the Game]

No that's not what she's saying. She's not throwing anyone under the bus, because she didn't do anything wrong. 

 

[fruity pebbles]

No that's not what she's saying. She's not throwing anyone under the bus, because she didn't do anything wrong. 

Hillary fanboys are to politics as Patriots fans are to football.

 

[timschochet]

Well see there you go! The problem with your laughter here, and with the argument that fruity pebbles made, and with the arguments that ALL of you have been making against Hillary Clinton is this thread, is that you guys all begin with the assumption that she is guilty to begin with, that if she claims any defense she must be lying, because you guys already believe she's a scumbag, without any real foundation. It's nonsense. She did nothing wrong with the emails, nothing wrong in setting up a personal server, nothing wrong with the Clinton Foundation, and all of the other so-called scandals have been proved to be bogus as well. You've created a false version of this woman based on lies and your political persuasions, and it's unfair to her and all the good work she has done over the years for this nation. 

 

[timschochet]

Hillary fanboys are to politics as Patriots fans are to football.

So in other words you think I'm ignoring evidence because I favor Hillary? What evidence is that? 

 

[fruity pebbles]

So in other words you think I'm ignoring evidence because I favor Hillary? What evidence is that? 

What evidence is there that Tom Brady knew footballs were being deflated?

 

[BassNBrew]

- Fill in the captions.

Hillary- I am a crook, incompetent, and a scumbag.

Trump- I agree, and someday I'm going to be embarrassed that I was in this photograph. 

BILL- You da man Donald.  As good a President as I was, I should have married better than this. 

MELANIA - She's a #####, but you can re-marry once she's in prison.

 

[timschochet]

What evidence is there that Tom Brady knew footballs were being deflated?

I don't know a lot about that situation. It bores me. I do know that New England previously spied on other teams, which makes them suspect. They were penalized for it I believe. Has Hillary ever been found guilty of anything, penalized for anything? 

 

[Smack Tripper]

Well see there you go! The problem with your laughter here, and with the argument that fruity pebbles made, and with the arguments that ALL of you have been making against Hillary Clinton is this thread, is that you guys all begin with the assumption that she is guilty to begin with, that if she claims any defense she must be lying, because you guys already believe she's a scumbag, without any real foundation. It's nonsense. She did nothing wrong with the emails, nothing wrong in setting up a personal server, nothing wrong with the Clinton Foundation, and all of the other so-called scandals have been proved to be bogus as well. You've created a false version of this woman based on lies and your political persuasions, and it's unfair to her and all the good work she has done over the years for this nation. 

When someone asks "why did you support the crime bill" and the first words out of her mouth consistently are "bernie sanders voted for this crime bill" are certainly politics but also consistently disrespect the person asking the question.  That answer might be momentarily expedient but speaks to her trust and likability issues, and part of politics is walking that line.  

Incidentally, she said many government officials had private email servers in the style she had.  Well lets see her name some names on that front.  Colin Powell, who she often runs to in her own defense, certainly didn't.  What officials had these?  And they better not just be members of her staff

 

[BassNBrew]

So in other words you think I'm ignoring evidence because I favor Hillary? What evidence is that? 

You Clinton supporters make the OJ jurors look like Mensa members.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I don't know a lot about that situation. It bores me. I do know that New England previously spied on other teams, which makes them suspect. They were penalized for it I believe. Has Hillary ever been found guilty of anything, penalized for anything? 

Well since she was part of the administration, that would be like the Patriots penalizing themselves. Her recent email scandal isnt over yet but do i expect anything to come of it....no. 

 

[timschochet]

When someone asks "why did you support the crime bill" and the first words out of her mouth consistently are "bernie sanders voted for this crime bill" are certainly politics but also consistently disrespect the person asking the question.  That answer might be momentarily expedient but speaks to her trust and likability issues, and part of politics is walking that line.  

Incidentally, she said many government officials had private email servers in the style she had.  Well lets see her name some names on that front.  Colin Powell, who she often runs to in her own defense, certainly didn't.  What officials had these?  And they better not just be members of her staff

I don't recall her ever saying this. She has stated that others used private emails, which is true. 

Her answer on the crime bill was detailed. The fact that Bernie also voted for it was only part of it, and not a big part either. 

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

- The comparison to Powell is absurd too. Powell had TWO, both below secret. Hillary's predecessor Rice had ZERO. Hillary had 2100, something like 100 secret or above. There is no comparison whatsoever.

Yep

• Powell supposedly used email for a much broader array of communication than Hillary including routine contact with foreign officials.
  
• Powell supposedly used an AOL account meaning all of his data is moving around from server farm to server farm in God knows what country
  
• Powell turned over zero of his emails when leaving office.
  

So by just about every measure except possibly quantity Powell was worst!  But except for possibly the last one it shouldn't matter.

 

[timschochet]

So last night I wrote here that IMO Hillary won the debate, and I was mocked and laughed at. Turns out that most of Michigan agrees with me. Hillary's argument about the auto bailout in particular is making a big difference according to local talk shows in Detroit. Expect Hillary to widen her already big lead in Michigan when the vote actually happens tomorrow night. 

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

When someone asks "why did you support the crime bill" and the first words out of her mouth consistently are "bernie sanders voted for this crime bill" are certainly politics but also consistently disrespect the person asking the question.  That answer might be momentarily expedient but speaks to her trust and likability issues, and part of politics is walking that line.  

Incidentally, she said many government officials had private email servers in the style she had.  Well lets see her name some names on that front.  Colin Powell, who she often runs to in her own defense, certainly didn't.  What officials had these?  And they better not just be members of her staff

I don't recall her ever saying this. She has stated that others used private emails, which is true. 

Her answer on the crime bill was detailed. The fact that Bernie also voted for it was only part of it, and not a big part either. 

Many government officials did the same thing because the government IT (systems, not people)  was terrible.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

So last night I wrote here that IMO Hillary won the debate, and I was mocked and laughed at. Turns out that most of Michigan agrees with me. Hillary's argument about the auto bailout in particular is making a big difference according to local talk shows in Detroit. Expect Hillary to widen her already big lead in Michigan when the vote actually happens tomorrow night. 

I thought she won the debate with the line about Sanders being for greedy gun making corporations.  

 

[timschochet]

Well since she was part of the administration, that would be like the Patriots penalizing themselves. Her recent email scandal isnt over yet but do i expect anything to come of it....no. 

This makes no sense. During the 1990s independent prosecutors investigated every scandal, every rumour involving Hillary Clinton. She was forced to testify. They found nothing. Last year a partisan House committee, intent on damaging Hillary's reputation for the general election, drilled her for hours along with other witnesses on Benghazi, the emails, and her foundation. They found nothing. The FBI is currently investigating the emails. They will find nothing, because there is nothing to find. 

For years now all of these investigations, almost all of them partisan or prodded by partisan sources, out to get Hillary Clinton and nobody has ever found anything. There are two possible explanations for this: either she is the most diabolical politician who ever lived, with the ability to corrupt every branch of government from the Justice Department on down...

...or perhaps she is really a person of integrity who hasn't committed any crimes. 

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

The GOP never learns!  (I feel guilty linking to the moonies,)

 

[Smack Tripper]

I don't recall her ever saying this. She has stated that others used private emails, which is true. 

Her answer on the crime bill was detailed. The fact that Bernie also voted for it was only part of it, and not a big part either. 

She said this tonight in the fox news town hall discussion

Its not answering the question, its drawing a comparison.  She has a real problem answering whats asked of her and she's not especially unique amongst politicians in this regard but a spotty look in an era of referendum on the establishment

 

[Smack Tripper]

Many government officials did the same thing because the government IT (systems, not people)  was terrible.

Do you know who?  Do we have anyone else on record defending her saying they've done the same.  I'd be geniunely curious if its as widespread as she represented.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Do you know who?  Do we have anyone else on record defending her saying they've done the same.  I'd be geniunely curious if its as widespread as she represented.

Defending her?  No.  However we know that Powell was one during his term.  We also know that Hillary discussed this in several emails.

ETA: Not to be an  about it, but I doubt Hillary was setting up her talking point in these emails.  If she was, that alone would be enough to make her the smart choice for president.

 

[Christo]

Just saw my first Hillary TV commercial. It's gonna be a long, painful campaign season 

Oof, that's two.  :X

 

[RCon]

I asked this before, I'll ask again for timschochet, who is back to believing that Hillary is pure as the driven snow.

Was anything unethical or otherwise wrong with the pardon of Marc Rich?

Was anything unethical or otherwise wrong with any of the other pardons, including the ones to people who made $250K payments to Hillary's brother?

For the record, notice that I didn't ask if Hillary or Bill was charged with or convicted of a crime.  I'm not asking about crime in any way, just ethics.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I thought she won the debate with the line about Sanders being for greedy gun making corporations.  

How Trumpy of her.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Defending her?  No.  However we know that Powell was one during his term.  We also know that Hillary discussed this in several emails.

ETA: Not to be an  about it, but I doubt Hillary was setting up her talking point in these emails.

Perhaps I was not clear in my original message, I was referring more to the private server in their home, which this evening in the Fox News Town Hall she said "several" government officials have used.  I'd like to know who.  I would think someone might have come to her defense if so.  

 

[Card Trader]

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Defending her?  No.  However we know that Powell was one during his term.  We also know that Hillary discussed this in several emails.

What does that article say Hillary discussed?

 

[timschochet]

I asked this before, I'll ask again for timschochet, who is back to believing that Hillary is pure as the driven snow.

Was anything unethical or otherwise wrong with the pardon of Marc Rich?

Was anything unethical or otherwise wrong with any of the other pardons, including the ones to people who made $250K payments to Hillary's brother?

For the record, notice that I didn't ask if Hillary or Bill was charged with or convicted of a crime.  I'm not asking about crime in any way, just ethics.

First off the bolded is an overstatement. 

With regard to Marc Rich, at the time I was disturbed by the pardon and I believed it to be a sign of corruption- not by Hillary Clinton but by Bill. However, Bill wrote an op-ed defending it, and I remember reading that and thinking: well, if the stuff he is saying here is true, then the pardon was justified. But that was 15 years ago and I don't remember what those reasons were. 

As for the other pardons, I'm sorry I have even less information about them. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Yep

• Powell supposedly used email for a much broader array of communication than Hillary including routine contact with foreign officials.
  
• Powell supposedly used an AOL account meaning all of his data is moving around from server farm to server farm in God knows what country
  
• Powell turned over zero of his emails when leaving office.
  

So by just about every measure except possibly quantity Powell was worst!  But except for possibly the last one it shouldn't matter.

Powell used a gov account in addition to the personal account. No one ever used a private email exclusive and no one ever put their data exclusively on a private server. And 2 less than secret emails vs 2100+ with apx. 100 Secret and above is a huge difference. Rice also was Hillary's predecessor. If Hillary had had 2 confidential level emails only and had maintained a gov account like Powell she wouldn't be in trouble either.

 

[timschochet]

Powell used a gov account in addition to the personal account. No one ever used a private email exclusive and no one ever put their data exclusively on a private server. And 2 less than secret emails vs 2100+ with apx. 100 Secret and above is a huge difference. Rice also was Hillary's predecessor. If Hillary had had 2 confidential level emails only and had maintained a gov account like Powell she wouldn't be in trouble either.

She's not in trouble. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

She's not in trouble. 

Tim I've reached a couple conclusions. 1. You argue for the greater good, anything that impedes or endangers that great good you fight tooth and nail. 2. You don't understand the email issue. Which quite arguably many don't, which also I get.

 

[BassNBrew]

She's not in trouble. 

She's not in trouble. 

Even if she is, like most crooks she'll have someone else take the fall.

 

[timschochet]

Even if she is, like most crooks she'll have someone else take the fall.

You love one liners don't you? 

 

[timschochet]

Tim I've reached a couple conclusions. 1. You argue for the greater good, anything that impedes or endangers that great good you fight tooth and nail. 2. You don't understand the email issue. Which quite arguably many don't, which also I get.

Saints, if I don't understand it, it's certainly not due to your efforts. You have worked tirelessly to expose readers of this thread to every detailed aspect of this situation. I know that your motive, at least in part, was to have the reader not only informed but to reach a judgment of condemnation for Hillary Clinton. Even so, I appreciate all of the time you've put into this. 

 

[BassNBrew]

You love one liners don't you? 

As much as you love dishonest politicians who line their pockets at our expense.

 

[timschochet]

As much as you love dishonest politicians who line their pockets at our expense.

Yup. I'm writing a musical: "Hillary on the Roof". Songs include: 

"Corruption" 

"If I Were a Con Man"

"Dealmaker"

I'm still working on it...

 

[BassNBrew]

Yup. I'm writing a musical: "Hillary on the Roof". Songs include: 

"Corruption" 

"If I Were a Con Man"

"Dealmaker"

I'm still working on it...

Probably enough material for a top 100 list.