TIm loves repeating that talking point as if as long as she is not behind bars we can't call out her behavior. Being completely unethical and bending the rules for personal gain is perfectly OK and only haters in the VRWC care about.
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Willie Neslon
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I see the Hillary movie ending like The Blues Brothers. She makes it all the way to the inauguration and when she goes to place her hand on the bible to take the oath you see the cuffs slap on her wrist. The movie ends with her giving a speech but as the camera pulls back you see the speech is for her fellow inmates at the prison. Could use Jailhouse Rock just like Blues Brothers did.
This is why being a politician really sucks. Hillary has a moment where she actually shows some compassion and says something nice about a friend who passed away and people get their panties in a bind over it.
Henry Ford
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And yet was still prosecuted, fined $100,000, and given 2 years' probation. That would be the death knell for a presidential campaign.
It is kind of interesting. In some ways what Patraeus did was worse and in some ways what Hillary did was worse. It is going to be a huge political football. We already have top level Democrats screaming about their 'serious questions' about the independance of the State Department and FBI. Of course they did not question the independance of the Departement of Justice for some reason.
But the Democrats seem to already be digging in for the real possibility that the FBI will recommend charges against Hillary. Basically we will be expanding the VRWC to include the FBI and State Department. Seems like we are headed towards reliving all the bad parts of the Clinton years all over again.
Henry Ford
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Frankly, if we can't band together to vote Sanders as the candidate when faced with that possibility, I guess we deserve either Hillary or Donald.It is kind of interesting. In some ways what Patraeus did was worse and in some ways what Hillary did was worse. It is going to be a huge political football. We already have top level Democrats screaming about their 'serious questions' about the independance of the State Department and FBI. Of course they did not question the independance of the Departement of Justice for some reason.
But the Democrats seem to already be digging in for the real possibility that the FBI will recommend charges against Hillary. Basically we will be expanding the VRWC to include the FBI and State Department. Seems like we are headed towards reliving all the bad parts of the Clinton years all over again.
I am pulling for Kasich, but he is even a much bigger longshot than Sanders. If it does happen, i would rank Hillary and Donald as the worst choice the American people have ever had in the general election.
Henry Ford
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Agreed. I can't think of any other situation where I would vote for Hillary than her being up against any of the top 3 of the current Republican field.
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I lost some Facebook friends by telling then to wait for the body to cool before laying into her -- but now that it has, what she did (and didn't do) was pretty vile. I don't think it does or should define her life, but to praise her specifically for her contributions to AIDS would be like lauding Casey Anthony for her contributions to motherhood.
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squistion
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Lamar Odom for his contributions to cocaine use?
...I know! Hillary Clinton for her use of email.
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SaintsInDome2006
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squistion
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Fox NewsVerified account
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timschochet
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Just for clarification: when I wrote that IMO Hillary did nothing wrong that means both legally AND ethically. She admits she made a mistake by insisting on a private server, and I agree with that. But IT WAS NOT WRONG.
Thats my stance; please stop putting words in my mouth.
Thats my stance; please stop putting words in my mouth.
Henry Ford
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I'd say it's more like praising Hillary Clinton for her contributions to legalizing gay marriage
Henry Ford
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And how is that polling?
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.@realDonaldTrump: "Some [protesters] represented Bernie, our Communist friend."#Chicago#TrumpRallyChi
squistion
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It isn't. It verifies what I have saying for over a year in this thread, that if Bernie is the candidate we will see the GOP, the Republican nominee, and the right wing blogosphere trot out the Socialist/Communist card. Trump is already starting the drumbeat.
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Donald Trump on his contributions to marriage, solvency, universities, diversity and hair style.
Henry Ford
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We all know they're going to use that as their argument. The question is whether it will work. Or at least work better than "Hillary Clinton is Hillary Clinton."
squistion
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Trump believes it will and he has pretty good instincts of how best to an attack an opponent.
Clinton surrogates have already rolled out the socialist/communist shtick - don't see anything new here.
Smack Tripper
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SaintsInDome2006
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She said her mistake was only in that it has caused an uproar and as she put it "raised a lot of questions." She has not admitted to any actual mistake in her actions. If she is questioned by the FBI she cannot maintain that posture with them. If she isn't questioned by them she probably skates.
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Henry Ford
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squistion
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I don't think that Nancy Reagan's silence (as first lady) on AIDS lead to any deaths, I don't recall any criticism directed at her individually during that time.
Ronnie is a different story and his record on AIDS/HIV was abysmal, but Mr. Ham was not talking about him, he was referring to Hillary specifically praising Nancy.
squistion
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Good enough in that every one his opponents seemed to pay for it after he started attacking them
Henry Ford
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If it's Hillary versus Trump or Cruz, you could consider voting for a third-party candidate.
Henry Ford
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AnonymousBob
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We shouldn't nominate Bernie because the Trump will call him names. He'll play nice with Hillary?
So basically your other statement wasn't 100% true?
Would you vote for an indicted Hillary because you care so much about the SC?
SaintsInDome2006
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- This is the journal entry of the father of Tyrone Woods, one of the deceased defending the mission and annex at Benghazi. Woods' father is a retired administrative law judge.
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Henry Ford
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squistion
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Of course not, don't be silly. But everybody has formed an opinion about her. And there is not much more that is negative that can be said about Hillary that has not already been said and that people have already heard. Wait until after Labor Day when most voters start to look at the election and all they hear from the right about Bernie is Socialist/Communist.AnonymousBob said:
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AnonymousBob
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Sanders has significantly higher numbers when it comes to likability. He can afford to drop a lot to catch her. And while Bernie's numbers would surely drop more than Clinton's on a percentage basis, it's crazy to think her numbers won't drop a bit as well.
Edit to add it's true voters will hear about negative things from the right about Bernie. Won't they also hear positive things about Bernie from Bernie himself? Doesn't the fact folks who meet him and hear him explain himself keep saying positive things factor in even slightly? Sure not all voters will listen to him but some will.
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MaxThreshold
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He's a liar. Hillary is as pure as wind driven snow. In fact, you're a liar for even bringing this up.SaintsInDome2006 said:
- This is the journal entry of the father of Tyrone Woods, one of the deceased defending the mission and annex at Benghazi. Woods' father is a retired administrative law judge.
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tommyGunZ
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Thanks for sharing. More proof that Hillary truly did believe that the film played a role in Benghazi.SaintsInDome2006 said:
- This is the journal entry of the father of Tyrone Woods, one of the deceased defending the mission and annex at Benghazi. Woods' father is a retired administrative law judge.
SaintsInDome2006
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squistion
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tommyGunZ
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Right. And the next morning, the group that Clinton refers to as claiming responsibility for the attack retracted that claim. Yet more proof that there was conflicting evidence coming in from many different sources, some of which turned out to be true, some false.
We know that's your stance. It's stupid, willfully ignorant, and incorrect (but not wrong?), but everyone knows it's your stance.
Perhaps. Of course, that only leads us to the conclusion that if she wasn't lying, then she was incompetent.
SaintsInDome2006
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The email from Blumenthal to Hillary is from February 2013. He confirms the September 2012 report. See Point 4 in the Blumenthal memo.
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NorvilleBarnes
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Shula-holic
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timschochet
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Well thanks Rich! But wait, if I'm stupid how can I also be willfully ignorant? Isn't that a contradiction? If I'm smart enough to be willful about my ignorance then I can't also be stupid can I?
tommyGunZ
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Anyone who didn't know EXACTLY what happened in Benghazi the night of the attack is "incompetent"? That's not reasonable Rich.
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