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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (12 Viewers)

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What's stupid is Hillary trying to be funny.   She is not funny when she tries to be.   Remember her doing the dog "Arf, Arf, Arf"?  She thought it hilarious.  Cackle, cackle.

 
Even the set up for that idiotic joke turned me off "Thanks for the endorsement Bill . . . took you long enough." Of course. Only Hillary Fn Clinton could turn a "thank you for supporting me" into a cheap shot. I really hope all the Dem voters still undecided have "took you long enough" ringing in their ears when they go to the polls.

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
But it's off set by her complete lack of charm and charisma.

Do you think Bill just watches and shakes his head? Seems like he'd eventually pull a facepalm muscle or something. It's gotta kill him.
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It's probably like when I'm standing behind my wife while she tries to cook. 

"Oh, God, don't... ####."

"What?"

"...   Nothing. It's too late."

 
So have we figured out what is going on with Bill yet? Pancreatic cancer or HIV are my top picks. 

Which happens first: Tim hits 100k posts or Bill croaks? I'm betting on Tim.

 
chauncey said:
So have we figured out what is going on with Bill yet? Pancreatic cancer or HIV are my top picks. 

Which happens first: Tim hits 100k posts or Bill croaks? I'm betting on Tim.
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There's something not right there.  A few months ago he was on stage with Hillary with his mouth open like he was catching flies.  But then again, I thought he was incredible last week when he smacked down therose BLM protesters.  "Tell the truth!"

 
Henry Ford said:
No, people are questioning the judgment of a political candidate who used a racist stereotype a joke in a campaign setting.

If Trump had done this, the media would have rightfully been all over him.
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I thought Blasio said it.

eta:  It's painfully unfunny, so if you want to question her judgement on comedy, fine.

 
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Attention fellow Sanders supporters: you're falling into the same trap as the right wingers, where you jump on everything Hillary does and says as proof that she's evil, incompetent, and criminal.   The problem with this is eventually people stop listening to you.

 
The Future Champs said:
Attention fellow Sanders supporters: you're falling into the same trap as the right wingers, where you jump on everything Hillary does and says as proof that she's evil, incompetent, and criminal.   The problem with this is eventually people stop listening to you.
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I think within the last two pages I've defended Clinton's record as SoS and dismissed out of hand any conspiracy involving her daughter and the financial industry. 

I reserve the right to make fun of her racism-based attempts at humor.

 
The Future Champs said:
Attention fellow Sanders supporters: you're falling into the same trap as the right wingers, where you jump on everything Hillary does and says as proof that she's evil, incompetent, and criminal.   The problem with this is eventually people stop listening to you.
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Attention Hillary supporters: right wingers and left wingers are constantly saying she's evil, incompetent, and criminal. Surely there's a great deal of hyperbole involved, but at some point you've got to wonder where all this smoke keeps coming from.

 
AnonymousBob said:
Attention Hillary supporters: right wingers and left wingers are constantly saying she's evil, incompetent, and criminal. Surely there's a great deal of hyperbole involved, but at some point you've got to wonder where all this smoke keeps coming from.
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No.   Simply b/c the right wing has engaged in nonstop character assassination does not mean that you have to believe that there's some truth to what they're saying.    The only thing I've seen that truly stunk was the cattle futures trading.    Plus, the barking onstage was pretty stupid.    And she should probably avoid comedy altogether.

 
Henry Ford said:
I think within the last two pages I've defended Clinton's record as SoS and dismissed out of hand any conspiracy involving her daughter and the financial industry. 

I reserve the right to make fun of her racism-based attempts at humor.
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With all due respect, on the previous page you were fear mongering (which is beneath you, btw) about the possibility of Hillary getting our armed forces members in danger, although you didn't elaborate.   

 
AnonymousBob said:
Attention Hillary supporters: right wingers and left wingers are constantly saying she's evil, incompetent, and criminal. Surely there's a great deal of hyperbole involved, but at some point you've got to wonder where all this smoke keeps coming from.
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Why would anyone wonder where it's coming from? It's from 25 years of Republican talking points.  

 
The Future Champs said:
No.   Simply b/c the right wing has engaged in nonstop character assassination does not mean that you have to believe that there's some truth to what they're saying.    The only thing I've seen that truly stunk was the cattle futures trading.    Plus, the barking onstage was pretty stupid.    And she should probably avoid comedy altogether.
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:lmao:  In your bizarre view of the universe, you must see Democrats as not engaging in non-stop character assassination?   You visit the Trump or Cruz thread much?  Hillary is as deserving of having her character attacked as much as any of them. The Clinton's have been scamming the system using grey areas of the law to profit off their positions of power. for decades.  It started with things like renting the Lincoln Bedroom and has advanced in utilizing the Clinton Foundation to shake down contribution from Foreign interests.  The low point may have been Bill selling pardons for political donations to Hillary's senate campaign, but Hillary's selling uranium to Russia is right up there. Hillary selling out to Big Oil and Big Banks is almost minor in comparison.  There are tons of things which stink about Hillary, including being a power/money-hungry condescending paranoid wench who cares nothing about ethics.  It is whatever she thinks she can get away with.  She is a female nixon on steroids.  

 
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jon_mx said:
:lmao:  In your bizarre view of the universe, leads off with an ad hominem attack, not unexpected you must see Democrats as not engaging in non-stop character assassination? if you'd read the ####### thread you'd have noticed (maybe) that I was complaining about Sanders supporters (presumably Democrats, although I'm not) engaging in character assassination   You visit the Trump or Cruz thread much? Trump threads - yes.  Cruz thread - no, not sure we had one.      Hillary is as deserving of having her character attacked as much as any of them. sure, bring it The Clinton's have been scamming the system using grey areas of the law to profit off their positions of power. for decades. Kinda think this is what Sanders supporters have been saying about the whole system.  Plus, there's no way the average fat cat Republican isn't guilty of this as well.   Trump took 911 money meant to help small businesses, for example.    It started with things like renting the Lincoln Bedroom is this just one of those bull#### things about letting big donors sleep in the bedroom? and has advanced in utilizing the Clinton Foundation to shake down contribution from Foreign interests. link if you have it - I don't see how a nonprofit foundation has the ability to shake down anyone.  The low point may have been Bill selling pardons for political donations to Hillary's senate campaign, definitely not a fan of all the pardons that were handed out, and that's a big reason I'll consider Kasich if it's Kasich vs Hillary but Hillary's selling uranium to Russia is right up there.typical right wing bs here.  This story amounts to nothing.  Standard fear tactics.    Hillary selling out to Big Oil and Big Banks is almost minor in comparison. And that would probably be part of the reason why I'm supporting Sanders.  But lets be clear here- DC as a whole has sold out to the big banks and big oil.   The GOP is even more guilty of this than Hillary.  There are tons of things which stink about Hillary, including being a power/money-hungry condescending paranoid wench who cares nothing about ethics.   Beautifully said - you make my point for me.  It is whatever she thinks she can get away with.  She is a female nixon on steroids. applause 
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Jon, thanks for the post that proves my point.

 
The Future Champs said:
Jon, thanks for the post that proves my point.
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I am lost at what point you think your point is.  Your point was to stop believing the right wing lies about Hillary and be nice to Hillary, as if Sanders supporters are too dumb to think for themselves.  My point was these aren't lies, the dislike for Hillary as a candidate is based upon decades of observance of behavior and actual facts.  I applaud most of the Sanders supporters for thinking for themselves and not getting absorbed into party politics and blindly get behind whatever crap the Democrats spit out.  Yeah, I think Hillary deserves criticism.  That does not prove your point.  

 
jon_mx said:
I am lost at what point you think your point is.  Your point was to stop believing the right wing lies about Hillary and be nice to Hillary, as if Sanders supporters are too dumb to think for themselves.  My point was these aren't lies, the dislike for Hillary as a candidate is based upon decades of observance of behavior and actual facts.  I applaud most of the Sanders supporters for thinking for themselves and not getting absorbed into party politics and blindly get behind whatever crap the Democrats spit out.  Yeah, I think Hillary deserves criticism.  That does not prove your point.  
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Jon, you can reply to my points, or just take the loss, but I would like to talk about one sentence:

"There are tons of things which stink about Hillary, including being a power/money-hungry condescending paranoid wench who cares nothing about ethics." 

Please supply evidence of  "condescending paranoid wench."   And it should be good, solid evidence, if you're going to levy those charges.  Setting up a private email server is not going to cover "paranoid".   Also, don't even worry about trying to supply evidence of "wench".   

 
The Future Champs said:
Jon, you can reply to my points, or just take the loss, but I would like to talk about one sentence:

"There are tons of things which stink about Hillary, including being a power/money-hungry condescending paranoid wench who cares nothing about ethics." 

Please supply evidence of  "condescending paranoid wench."   And it should be good, solid evidence, if you're going to levy those charges.  Setting up a private email server is not going to cover "paranoid".   Also, don't even worry about trying to supply evidence of "wench".   
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I am not wasting my time respond to your 'points' since they strayed so far off the path and started making it more personal.  I tried to ignore your meaningless sidebar issues and refocused things to what the disagreement was really about.  I don't want to waste everyone's time discussing an arguement was an 'ad hominem attack' or not. 

 
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jon_mx said:
I am not wasting my time respond to your 'points' since they stayed so far off the path of making it personal.  I tried to ignore your meaningless sidebar issues and refocused things to what the disagreement was really about.  I don't want to waste everyone's time discussing an arguement was an 'ad hominem attack' or not. 
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Jon, in all seriousness, you were the one who made it personal.   That's the definition of an "ad hominem attack."   You referred to my "bizarre view of the universe."

 
The Future Champs said:
Jon, in all seriousness, you were the one who made it personal.   That's the definition of an "ad hominem attack."   You referred to my "bizarre view of the universe."
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That is why I said 'more personal'.  Yes, I think his views are extremely slanted, but my post addressed the reality of why people think bad about Hillary.  His main point was to say how I made his 'point' which he did not even articulate what the point was and how I was not responding.  I do not see the point of going into that kind of discussion.  I responded to what I thought the discussion was and not the petty crap.  

 
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jon_mx said:
That is why I said 'more personal'.  Yes, I think is views are extremely slanted, but my post addressed the reality of why people think bad about Hillary.  His main point was to say how I made his 'point' which he did not even articulate what the point was and how I was not responding.  I do not see the point of going into that kind of discussion.  I responded to what I thought the discussion was and not the petty crap.  
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That said, I'm not sure I follow your point here, and it's late, and I'd be happy to let it sit until tomorrow.   

 
The Future Champs said:
No.   Simply b/c the right wing has engaged in nonstop character assassination does not mean that you have to believe that there's some truth to what they're saying.    The only thing I've seen that truly stunk was the cattle futures trading.    Plus, the barking onstage was pretty stupid.    And she should probably avoid comedy altogether.
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I certainly believe a lot - if not most - of it is over the top. But to believe there's *no* truth to any of it?  That's a bit much, imo. 

 
The Future Champs said:
With all due respect, on the previous page you were fear mongering (which is beneath you, btw) about the possibility of Hillary getting our armed forces members in danger, although you didn't elaborate.   
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With all due respect, her own endorsers are calling her a warrior, and she's absolutely a military interventionalist who has backed military intervention repeatedly.  That's not so good for the people whose actual boots are on the ground.

We can discuss a lot of things about Hillary Clinton and throw a lot of opinions back and forth.  Many will be right, many will be wrong.  But Clinton is well known for military intervention.  That's not fear mongering.  She will have a strong military, but she will use it.  

 
The Future Champs said:
No.   Simply b/c the right wing has engaged in nonstop character assassination does not mean that you have to believe that there's some truth to what they're saying.    The only thing I've seen that truly stunk was the cattle futures trading.    Plus, the barking onstage was pretty stupid.    And she should probably avoid comedy altogether.
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Oh, just that one time she laundered bribe money.  Just that.

...In a Fall 1994 paper for the Journal of Economics and Finance, economists from the University of North Florida and Auburn Universityinvestigated the odds of gaining a hundred-fold return in the cattle futures market during the period in question. Using a model that was stated to give the hypothetical investor the benefit of the doubt, they concluded that the odds of such a return happening were at best 1 in 31 trillion.[14]

...or in Tim Land, the Journal of Economics and Finance built a model that explained how Hillary beat the odds.

 
chauncey said:
So have we figured out what is going on with Bill yet? Pancreatic cancer or HIV are my top picks. 

Which happens first: Tim hits 100k posts or Bill croaks? I'm betting on Tim.
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Yeah this is about the worst post I've read in months, and that's saying something. 

 
The Future Champs said:
fear mongering
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I'm all for saying hey be objective, but come on:

Over-incarceration and over policing - Clinton crime bill.

Financial regulation - Clinton repeal of Glass Steagall.

Too much foreign intervention - 90s-00s Iraq, Serbia, Libya, Syria, Yemen.

Too much money in politics - Hillary and Bill have raked in more personally and politically in more ways than anyone ever.

Divisive politics - well David Brock and Sid Blumenthal are maybe the two most noted names in political assassinations.

Integrity, accountability and transparency in government - Guess.

*** These are the themes of this election, the answer is obviously "More Clinton." If you want to discuss it, discuss it.

 
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